MotionApps To Bring PalmOS Emulation to Palm Pre
Zombie Elvis
One of my biggest concerns about the upcoming Palm Pre is the lack of
backwards compatibility with PalmOS applications. Now MotionApps is
going to bring an emulator to the Palm Pre's webOS. This is good news
for me. I won't have to give up all my old apps if I move to the Pre.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9722/motionapps-classic-to-provide-palm-os-compatibility-on-webos/
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David Arnstein
Zombie Elvis <DELETEMETOREPLY...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>One of my biggest concerns about the upcoming Palm Pre is the lack of
>backwards compatibility with PalmOS applications. Now MotionApps is
>going to bring an emulator to the Palm Pre's webOS. This is good news
>for me. I won't have to give up all my old apps if I move to the Pre.
My biggest concern is the lack of hotsync in WebOS. I absolutely will
not send my contacts, todo list, calendar, or any other private data
to Palm's "cloud." I hope that either Palm or a third party developer
will furnish a method for backup and manipulation of such data on my
own peecee.
If so, I will buy a Pre and use it as a PDA. I will not use it as a
(voice) phone on Sprint's shitty network though.
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Josser
Pre has always had the option to sync with Outlook, no Palm Desktop.
Alan Hoyle
"Has" doesn't seem to be the proper tense, unless you're posting from
the future. In which case, I suggest you might apply this ability to
send messages into the past to a more significant topic. ;-)
In any case, unless I've missed something, it seems that Outlook
syncing will require Exchange servers.
Quoting: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
"Connected calendars and contacts
Pre uses the Palm?? Synergy??? feature to bring your Outlook??,2 Google,
and Facebook?? calendars together for one logical view of your day.
...
Email, Wi-Fi, and GPS
"Check email from Outlook?? or personal accounts like Gmail, AOL, and Yahoo!.5"
Footnote 2 reads
"Available for Exchange ActiveSync only. Requires Microsoft Outlook
using Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server
2007. Within wireless coverage area only. Requires data services at
additional cost."
and Footnote 5 reads: "Within wireless coverage area only. Requires
Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server
2007. Additional fees may apply."
-a
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Josser
> Quoting: http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/
>
> "Connected calendars and contacts
>
> Pre uses the Palm?? Synergy??? feature to bring your Outlook??,2
> Google,
> and Facebook?? calendars together for one logical view of your day.
>
> "Check email from Outlook?? or personal accounts like Gmail, AOL, and
> Yahoo!.5"
>
>
> Footnote 2 reads
>
> "Available for Exchange ActiveSync only. Requires Microsoft Outlook
> using Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server
> 2007. Within wireless coverage area only. Requires data services at
> additional cost."
>
>
> and Footnote 5 reads: "Within wireless coverage area only. Requires
> Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server
> 2007. Additional fees may apply."
>
> -a
AES is just software that runs on your PC.
So you agree, I am right, it will sync to Outlook, just like I said.
Jan Steffen
> Alan Hoyle wrote:
>>
>> and Footnote 5 reads: "Within wireless coverage area only. Requires
>> Microsoft Exchange Server 2003 with SP2 or Exchange Server
>> 2007. Additional fees may apply."
>>
>> -a
>
> AES is just software that runs on your PC.
>
> So you agree, I am right, it will sync to Outlook, just like I said.
>
I really doubt that Microsoft Exchange Server runs on many PCs.
Are you sure you know the difference between Outlook and Exchange?
I think the restrictions from these footnotes make it impossible for home users
to sync outside the cloud.
Jan
kronhead
>
> I really doubt that Microsoft Exchange Server runs on many PCs.
> Are you sure you know the difference between Outlook and Exchange?
>
> I think the restrictions from these footnotes make it impossible for home users
> to sync outside the cloud.
>
> Jan
I agree. Requiring Exchange just adds a whole other level of cost and
complexity to it. Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition has a list
price of $699!
I can think of 2 other things that MIGHT work instead.
1) a hosted Exchange service. My email/web service provider offers
Exchange service, and provides free Outlook licenses. But then I get
to pay them something like $12/month. And I have no idea if they have
any interest in adding support for Activesync.
2) add something to Outlook so it syncs with something in the "cloud"
- for example, sync with Google calendar. One problem with this is it
seems likely that you will lose much of the richness of Outlook
calendaring as you go through multiple translations.
Also - I don't just want calendaring. I use Outlook tasks (to-do's),
contacts, and notes/memos. Again, Outlook tasks has a lot of
functionality - like creating a new task automatically some period (a
day, a week, a year) after the prior one is marked complete. I really
hate the idea of losing that.
Dan
Harold Fuchs
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Dan
=========
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7132/companionlink-to-offer-palm-pre-sync-software/
might help. Note that the page mentions Palm Desktop.
Unfortunately more and more companies provide synchronisation only to
Outlook/Exchange or to the cloud. I don't understand:
* Syncing to the cloud is totally unacceptable for all sorts of reasons.
* Most private individuals don't have access to Exchange servers - nor would
they be willing to pay the price.
* As has been mentioned, syncing to Outlook is a totally inadequate
solution - no tasks, no notes etc.
* Many people don't run Outlook. What about Thunderbird. Or Outlook Express?
--
Harold Fuchs
London, England
kronhead
I don't care about email sync - I don't even really do email on my
Treo - but I might use need a good email client on my phone.
I guess I need to either wean myself off of Outlook - which probably
means living with a set of phone and web-based tools as a PIM - or
look at an Iphone, or Blackberry, which DO have some Outlook sync - or
windows mobile - which ought to be ideal, but sounds like it is just
as unstable as my Treo has become. And I hear some many complainst
about poor usability ...
And, Harold - I know you are very sensitive to the issue of storing
data on some generic servers on the web - in the cloud, as everyone
says - but I am not that concerned - altho I probably should be - I
think you are in Europe, and European laws are much more sensitive to
those privacy issues.
(sigh) - I am not looking forward to this next conversion!
Anyone have any opinions about Blackberry or Windows mobile?
Dan
On Apr 6, 1:26 am, "Harold Fuchs" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7132/companionlink-to-offer-palm-p...
DevilsPGD
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kronhead <su...@kronhead.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>Anyone have any opinions about Blackberry or Windows mobile?
Both are horrible. I'm a long time PalmOS advocate that finally jumped
ship a few moons ago once it became clear that Palm had every intention
of leaving their devices tied to the past.
If you can stand the crippled mail client, BB is probably the way to go,
but even in IMAP mode the BB will feel more like a POP3 client, you'll
be back to deleting messages in two places, message flags will
inconsistently fall out of sync, etc. In BIS mode there are a ton of
protocol implementation bugs, there are a number of valid MIME formats
that BIS fails to parse, and BIS violates the IMAP RFC in a couple ways
(although not ones that normally fail catastrophically)
Windows Mobile is a more jarring experience from the Palm world, the
fact that out of the box there isn't even a way to close apps or manage
memory gets annoying, and some simple things the Palm could with one or
two stylus taps turn into long painful 5+ step processes, but Windows
Mobile devices are more customizable and configurable with third party
software. The built-in mail client is pretty nasty, but check out
Flexmail, which supports IMAP IDLE (IMAP push) and true two way
multifolder synchronization.
Blackberry devices tend to have better battery life and require less OS
reboots, but there are less choices for software (no alternate mail
clients to speak of, for example)
Harold Fuchs
<snip>
> And, Harold - I know you are very sensitive to the issue of storing
> data on some generic servers on the web - in the cloud, as everyone
> says - but I am not that concerned - altho I probably should be - I
> think you are in Europe, and European laws are much more sensitive to
> those privacy issues.
<snip>
It's not *my* data I'm concerned about storing in the cloud, it's *yours*.
How would you like it if someone put the names, ages and photos of *your*
kids on the cloud simply because that someone had those details in his/her
PDA because they were friends/contacts of yours???? And how would you feel
if that same entry had your home address, your job title and the name &
address of the company where you work? And now try and imagine how you'd
feel given all that plus that you are in charge of security at a bank, or of
the cash in a largish branch of a supermarket or just because your kids are
pretty 8-year olds. It's *your* family that's being put at risk by *other
people* putting *your* details in *their* cloud-based data. Nothing to do
with the privacy of *my* data. Think about it.
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Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>
>"kronhead" <su...@kronhead.com> wrote in message
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>
><snip>
>
>> And, Harold - I know you are very sensitive to the issue of storing
>> data on some generic servers on the web - in the cloud, as everyone
>> says - but I am not that concerned - altho I probably should be - I
>> think you are in Europe, and European laws are much more sensitive to
>> those privacy issues.
>
><snip>
>
>It's not *my* data I'm concerned about storing in the cloud, it's *yours*.
>How would you like it if someone put the names, ages and photos of *your*
>kids on the cloud simply because that someone had those details in his/her
>PDA because they were friends/contacts of yours???? And how would you feel
If your kids have a Myspace or Facebook account, all this data is
already in the cloud. In fact, this is one of the selling points of
the Palm Pre.
>if that same entry had your home address, your job title and the name &
>address of the company where you work? And now try and imagine how you'd
It's not like every scrap of data is automatically placed in the
public domain by virtue of its being "in the cloud." Presumably you
will only deal with services you trust, just like you only buy online
from websites you trust, just like you only run programs you trust. If
you put your data in the care of an unscrupulous company, you will get
burned just like you will get burned if you launch an email attachment
infected with malware.
>feel given all that plus that you are in charge of security at a bank, or of
>the cash in a largish branch of a supermarket or just because your kids are
>pretty 8-year olds. It's *your* family that's being put at risk by *other
>people* putting *your* details in *their* cloud-based data. Nothing to do
>with the privacy of *my* data. Think about it.
You are assuming that the data "in the cloud" must be made available
to anyone and not just to the individual people who subscribe to a
cloud-based service. If this were true then online banking wouldn't
work, online shopping wouldn't work, anything requiring online privacy
wouldn't work. The key is to figure out which of these cloud services
are trustworthy and which are not. This is the exact same issue which
we've been dealing with ever since we started using computers for
something other than just crunching numbers.
Harold Fuchs
"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLY...@ameritech.net> wrote in
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The point is it's not you putting your data on a server you trust. It's
*someone else* putting data *about you* on a server you know nothing
about. And you don't know what data they put there. And you don't know how
securely they keep their passwords.
kronhead
- I *know* I should be concerned about it, and should not do it - I
was just saying that here in the US, people don't worry about it very
much. I gather young folks (I am 59) don't even *expect* much privacy
these days.
And what about the phones themselves? Pretty lousy security model -
how many people set up an auto-lock feature - if their phone even has
one? Altho I guess the exposure there is more at a "retail" level -
someone has to find or steal your phone, and they only get one set of
data - as opposed to wholesale security exposures if all that data is
stored on someone else's server. I stopped using Gmail because I did
not like having all my email messages out of my control.
Well, maybe CompanionLink can deliver on Pre/Outlook sync. Then the
question is can Palm make the Pre an attractive environment for 3rd
party develoeprs - meaning, can they sell enough phones to create a
market for add-on software. Meanwhile, my Treo 755p reboots a couple
of times a day ...
Dan
Harold Fuchs
First, I'm older than you!
Ok, think about it the other way around. If you are not concerned about me
putting the names, address and pictures of your kids on the web consider my
feelings when you put pictures of my kids on the web. Most people, even many
I've spoken to in phone shops, simply don't realise that their products can
*only* sync to a web server. People buy these things, put data about other
people on them and then blindly sync without ever realising what they are
doing. I think it's dangerous: it's open season for thieves, blackmailers,
paedophiles and on and on.
The chances of my phone getting lost or stolen *and* it being found by a
blackhat *and* that blackhat hacking into my phone *and* choosing your kids
to target is fairly remote. But if your kids' pictures are on a web server
there are thousands of blackhats who have incidental access to them, even if
you don't count the (ex/disgruntled)employees of the server company. And if
your phone gets lost or stolen you might consider it polite to tell me about
it. With the data on a web server you'd never know it had been hacked into.
Regards, Harold
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Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>The point is it's not you putting your data on a server you trust. It's
>*someone else* putting data *about you* on a server you know nothing
>about. And you don't know what data they put there. And you don't know how
>securely they keep their passwords.
The same thing is happening right now. If anyone has ever put your
data in his or her PDA, or on their computer, or even in their paper
organizer someone else can get at it. You don't know how well securely
they keep their PDAs, their computers, or their organizers. Your data
is already all over the place, that's why you get junk mail and
telemarketing calls. While I have no patience for the "you have no
privacy get over it" crowd, it's also important to keep in mind that
the same privacy issues that people bring up with cloud-based
computing have been with us for a long time and they won't go away
just because you refuse to get a Facebook account.
Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>I did not mean to start this debate again - I *agree* with you, Harold
>- I *know* I should be concerned about it, and should not do it - I
>was just saying that here in the US, people don't worry about it very
>much. I gather young folks (I am 59) don't even *expect* much privacy
>these days.
>
>And what about the phones themselves? Pretty lousy security model -
>how many people set up an auto-lock feature - if their phone even has
>one? Altho I guess the exposure there is more at a "retail" level -
>someone has to find or steal your phone, and they only get one set of
>data - as opposed to wholesale security exposures if all that data is
>stored on someone else's server. I stopped using Gmail because I did
>not like having all my email messages out of my control.
>
>Well, maybe CompanionLink can deliver on Pre/Outlook sync. Then the
>question is can Palm make the Pre an attractive environment for 3rd
>party develoeprs - meaning, can they sell enough phones to create a
>market for add-on software. Meanwhile, my Treo 755p reboots a couple
>of times a day ...
You know it just occurred to me. MotionApps' PalmOS emulator won't
have access the Pre's PIM data (at least not at first) and reverse is
also true. So if you are really worried about someone getting at your
cloud-based data, you could take the PIM data you want to keep secret
and store it in the PalmOS Classic PIM applications. It's no
substitute for a good native encryption app (that probably would
require something more powerful than the Javascript SDK that Palm is
offering for the Pre). But it would be a pretty simple way to keep
your private and not so private data separate.
DevilsPGD
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wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT), kronhead <su...@kronhead.com>
JavaScript is more then sufficient for decent encryption, it's just a
matter of performance.
Also keep in mind that it would be a safe bet that MotionApps' PalmOS
emulator won't be written in JavaScript, so if we assume going in that
the JavaScript-only thing is a temporary limitation, a full blown
encryption solution probably won't be too far down the road.
Tony Toews [MVP]
>My biggest concern is the lack of hotsync in WebOS. I absolutely will
>not send my contacts, todo list, calendar, or any other private data
>to Palm's "cloud." I hope that either Palm or a third party developer
>will furnish a method for backup and manipulation of such data on my
>own peecee.
>
>If so, I will buy a Pre and use it as a PDA. I will not use it as a
>(voice) phone on Sprint's shitty network though.
Hmm, I'm going to start picking up the occasional Palm TX on Ebay every few years. 4
or 5 ought to last be 20 or 40 years before I die. Hopefully they will drop in
price.
Tony
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