Has Palm given up on its PDA line?
whytea
company has put all its energies into its smart phone products. I don't
care so much about the smart phones as I only need a phone to make
calls. But I would like to have a smart and powerful PDA, I'm sure many
users share the same sentiment. I have used three different Palm PDA's
in succession, the latest being TX. Although TX has its problems, it is
still a good device for me. I have the feeling it might not last another
year, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming after the TX. Has
Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
/Why Tea
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I read that Palm is making a Linux OS version PDA.
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> On 5/21/2008 4:00 AM PT, whytea typed:
>
>> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
>> company has put all its energies into its smart phone products. I
>> don't care so much about the smart phones as I only need a phone to
>> make calls. But I would like to have a smart and powerful PDA, I'm
>> sure many users share the same sentiment. I have used three different
>> Palm PDA's in succession, the latest being TX. Although TX has its
>> problems, it is still a good device for me. I have the feeling it
>> might not last another year, but there doesn't seem to be anything
>> coming after the TX. Has Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
>
> I read that Palm is making a Linux OS version PDA.
I read about that too and it's supposed to be backward compatible with
the old PalmOS applications. But so far, it's only talk...
Jeffrey Kaplan
> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
The TX or E2 was the last one.
> still a good device for me. I have the feeling it might not last another
> year, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming after the TX. Has
> Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
Is anyone making just as PDA anymore? Apparently most (note, not all)
people who were PDA buyers are now smartphone buyers so that's where
the money is.
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Yep, I will believe it when I see it. And will Palm make it by that
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Zombie Elvis
>When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
The TX, over two years ago.
>company has put all its energies into its smart phone products. I don't
>care so much about the smart phones as I only need a phone to make
A good Bluetooth phone with a data plan can make an excellent wireless
modem for a Palm TX.
>calls. But I would like to have a smart and powerful PDA, I'm sure many
>users share the same sentiment. I have used three different Palm PDA's
>in succession, the latest being TX. Although TX has its problems, it is
>still a good device for me. I have the feeling it might not last another
>year, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming after the TX. Has
>Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
>
It certainly seems like it at this point. However Palm has always been
stubborn about not wanting to reveal its plans so we have no way of
knowing for sure. It's possible that once they have their new OS
ready, they'll put out a PDA with it but that probably won't happen
until 2009 at the earliest.
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Zombie Elvis
>On 5/21/2008 4:00 AM PT, whytea typed:
>
>> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
>> company has put all its energies into its smart phone products. I don't
>> care so much about the smart phones as I only need a phone to make
>> calls. But I would like to have a smart and powerful PDA, I'm sure many
>> users share the same sentiment. I have used three different Palm PDA's
>> in succession, the latest being TX. Although TX has its problems, it is
>> still a good device for me. I have the feeling it might not last another
>> year, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming after the TX. Has
>> Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
>
>I read that Palm is making a Linux OS version PDA.
They're making a new Linux-based OS but there is no guarantee that
they'll put it on a PDA. They've been very consistent about saying
that smartphones are the future as far as they are concerned (even as
they complain about being under the thumb of the wireless carriers).
So while it would be nice if they put out a new PDA, I'm not holding
my breath.
Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>Previously on alt.comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, whytea said:
>
>> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
>
>The TX or E2 was the last one.
>
>> still a good device for me. I have the feeling it might not last another
>> year, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming after the TX. Has
>> Palm given up on its PDA line for good?
>
>Is anyone making just as PDA anymore? Apparently most (note, not all)
>people who were PDA buyers are now smartphone buyers so that's where
>the money is.
I think that HP put out new PDAs last year. As for me, I still use my
Palm TX every day even though I've been using smartphones since the
original VisorPhone. I just like having the big screen and having two
devices is easier on the battery life of both units.
whytea
> stubborn about not wanting to reveal its plans so we have no way of
> knowing for sure. It's possible that once they have their new OS
> ready, they'll put out a PDA with it but that probably won't happen
> until 2009 at the earliest.
By then a lot of the users would have been forced to move to a PocketPC
device. Just imagine the loss of market share. Perhaps there isn't
really any money in the PDA market?? Should the Palm top guys be held
accountable for squandering the PDA market leader position to PocketPC?
Zombie Elvis
There really isn't a non-phone PDA market anymore. It's just Palm and
HP (which put out two modestly marketed PDAs last year). So there's
not much left to squander. Palm's thinking appears to be that PDAs
account for about 11% of their revenue now and probably cost almost
zero in terms of marketing and R&D. On the other hand, they've sold
one million Centros in a much more competitive Smartphone market which
is still growing rapidly. They're going to spend their money on
smartphones.
The bottom line is that you probably haven't seen a PDA ad -- from
Palm or anyone else -- in two years. In the meantime we're bombarded
daily with ads for smartphones. That's where the market is and where
it shall remain for the foreseeable future.
Caro
to switch to a smart phone. I have two Z72s and will keep them until they
die.
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>Too bad really... I like having my devices separate. I am in no hurry
>to switch to a smart phone. I have two Z72s and will keep them until they
>die.
Ditto with my TX. I do NOT want a combination phone/PDA.
Is anyone at Palm listening??
Jd Lyall
>
>> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
>
> The TX or E2 was the last one.
>
> people who were PDA buyers are now smartphone buyers so that's where
> the money is.
>
address book and calendar it will certainly qualify. I've never used
one, mind. Sure makes my TX look sick tho.
I have no confidence in Palm at all on this new OS thing. Access has a
much better chance of doing a working OS that runs palm apps. But will
anyone use it to make a dedicated PDA? Doubtful, but chinese
PalmOS/Linux phones will be on theworld market long before Palm, Inc
gets anything done.
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Zombie Elvis
wrote:
>Jeffrey Kaplan wrote::
>>
>>> When was the last time a Palm PDA was released? It seems that the
>>
>> The TX or E2 was the last one.
>>
>> Is anyone making just as PDA anymore? Apparently most (note, not all)
>> people who were PDA buyers are now smartphone buyers so that's where
>> the money is.
>>
>I'd say the iPod touch qualifies. Sorta. When they allow writing to your
>address book and calendar it will certainly qualify. I've never used
>one, mind. Sure makes my TX look sick tho.
>
I've played around with one at the Apple store and it's certainly a
slick little device. But it's clearly a media player/browser. Its PDA
functions are purely vestigial. Its virtual keyboard looks cool but is
less comfortable to use than either a real keyboard or Graffiti I and
II.
>I have no confidence in Palm at all on this new OS thing. Access has a
>much better chance of doing a working OS that runs palm apps. But will
>anyone use it to make a dedicated PDA? Doubtful, but chinese
>PalmOS/Linux phones will be on theworld market long before Palm, Inc
>gets anything done.
Access employs the same people who gave us Cobalt, the operating
system that nobody wanted. Furthermore, Access is far more interested
in the Chinese and Far East phone markets than they are in the west.
For better or worse, we're stuck with Palm for the time being.
whytea
> system that nobody wanted. Furthermore, Access is far more interested
> in the Chinese and Far East phone markets than they are in the west.
> For better or worse, we're stuck with Palm for the time being.
That would suit me just fine as I have been running my TX with English
and Chinese at the moment. The only problem is it don't seem to support
unicode. Whenever I try to use accented European characters, it often
displays the wrong characters - i.e. you see accented characters in
Chinese display and vice versa. That really makes many dictionaries
unusable.
Jeffrey Kaplan
> >I'd say the iPod touch qualifies. Sorta. When they allow writing to your
> >address book and calendar it will certainly qualify. I've never used
> >one, mind. Sure makes my TX look sick tho.
> >
> I've played around with one at the Apple store and it's certainly a
> slick little device. But it's clearly a media player/browser. Its PDA
> functions are purely vestigial. Its virtual keyboard looks cool but is
> less comfortable to use than either a real keyboard or Graffiti I and
> II.
I've played around a bit with an iPhone (same device plus a phone) and
I disagree about the keyboard. I found it to be no harder to use than
the keyboard on my current Treo 680. I wish there were an option to
have the keyboard open up when horizontal as well as vertical. When
using the web browser horizontally, it would make it easier to enter
URLs, search strings, etc.
As for the software, I'm holding off judgment until the third party
stuff starts coming out next month.
> Access employs the same people who gave us Cobalt, the operating
> system that nobody wanted. Furthermore, Access is far more interested
Aren't they also the same people who gave us Garnet, OS4 and OS3?
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What I would love to know is where are these hordes of smart phone
owners meeting on the internet/web/newsgroups or whatever. How can we
find out what they want, are buying, and are saying? I've gotten great
info in other threads but still would like to find the user and
developer communities online for the new platforms but don't know
where to go.
Are developers making software for the iPhone, for example? Don't know
and don't know where to find out.
Zombie Elvis
<sarah_s...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What I would love to know is where are these hordes of smart phone
>owners meeting on the internet/web/newsgroups or whatever. How can we
>find out what they want, are buying, and are saying? I've gotten great
>info in other threads but still would like to find the user and
>developer communities online for the new platforms but don't know
>where to go.
Well for PalmOS smartphones most users I've encountered seem to have
congregated on the web and are reading the following sites:
http://treocentral.com
http://1src.com
http://palminfocenter.com
http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmaddicts/
>
>Are developers making software for the iPhone, for example? Don't know
>and don't know where to find out.
I think that the SDK kit for the iPhone is already out or will be out
soon. You can probably find it on Apple's website.
I'm more familiar with the PalmOS but there is:
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/
Macintouch also seems to have a lot of information about the iPhone as
well.
You might also want to check out the more high volume gadget blogs
like:
http://engadget.com
http://gizmodo.com
They're full of iPhone fanboys.
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Jeffrey Kaplan
> >Are developers making software for the iPhone, for example? Don't know
> >and don't know where to find out.
>
> I think that the SDK kit for the iPhone is already out or will be out
> soon. You can probably find it on Apple's website.
The SDK was released MONTHS ago. The idea is to have a running start
on the third-party software when the iPhone App Store opens later this
month "coincidentally" with the release of the iPhone v2.0.
> I'm more familiar with the PalmOS but there is:
> http://www.theiphoneblog.com/
>
> Macintouch also seems to have a lot of information about the iPhone as
> well.
>
> You might also want to check out the more high volume gadget blogs
> like:
> http://engadget.com
> http://gizmodo.com
> They're full of iPhone fanboys.
The people who run Treocentral.com (PalmOS and WinMob Treos) also have
PhoneDifferent.com (iPhone) (hmm... same site as TheiPhoneBlog),
crackberry.com (BlackBerry) and wmexperts.com (WinMob).
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<DELETEMETOREPLY...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>I think that the SDK kit for the iPhone is already out or will be out
>soon. You can probably find it on Apple's website.
Can you tell me what a SDK is? I just got my iphone.
BTW, I have a tungsten tx and it won't sync anymore on any computer I
havee. I have reinstalled the cd. I think my next step is hard
syncing it, which I hate to do, since I'll loose all my data.
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Jim Anderson
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SDK = Software Development Kit
Download the free NVBackup
<http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/nvbackup.shtml>
and copy to the card directory sd/palm/launcher using a card reader.
Run a backup and you will not loose any data with a Hard Reset.
AJ Lake
>BTW, I have a tungsten tx and it won't sync anymore on any computer I
>havee. I have reinstalled the cd. I think my next step is hard
>syncing it, which I hate to do, since I'll loose all my data.
Get a program like filez or fileprog and you can get the files
out on the SD card.
Lefty39
Good idea but kind of a challenge if he can't sync to his PC...
AJ Lake
Not that hard.
From the computer put filez or fileprog on the SD card in the Palm/Launcher
folder. Insert the card into the TX and run filez/fileprog from the built in
launcher. Using filez/fileprog copy the needed data files back to the SD
card. Remove the card and their out. No syncing needed.