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Jim T.

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Dec 20, 2004, 1:38:41 PM12/20/04
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Just got a notice that a payment is due for the annual QuickBooks
payroll support subscription. $199!!!!! Apparently the recent update
we installed on QB didn't include any payroll support. This is for the
package we use at our church with about 20 people on the regular
payroll. Anyone suggest a way to reduce this cost or should we just go
to ADP or Intuit itself? Some of our people are pushing for direct
deposit because it saves them a little on their bank accounts. I get
free checking myself.

Help

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Dec 20, 2004, 3:49:56 PM12/20/04
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It seems a bit odd to me there is so much talk about payroll service
costs on QB or any other major software package today. Most if not all
of the majors charge for payroll support or even in the case of mid
range the payroll module plus annualized fees to keep it up to date with
forms & tables.

Moving to ADP or a big payroll service you will incur fees higher than
the $199 and very quickly surpass the $199. Intuit isn't going to do
anything either unless they have a 'special' and that is very rare on
payroll.

You do have the option of the 'do it yourself' payroll which still
requires a subscription of $199 if you want the forms & tables so it
automatically calculates tax. If you wish to use the employer's tax
guide you can select that option and it will calculate the gross for you
and allow you to enter the taxes from the guide or manual calculations.

That is really about it. There is a website paycheckcity.com I believe
that may offer some help too to this situation for little or no cost.

L

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Dec 20, 2004, 3:53:08 PM12/20/04
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"Jim T." <suenjim4....@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Just got a notice that a payment is due for the annual QuickBooks
> payroll support subscription. $199!!!!!

Yes, the cost to do-it-yourself rises annually

> Apparently the recent update
> we installed on QB didn't include any payroll support.

If you purchased a new version of the program, it includes a 'tax table'
that will work until 2006.

> This is for the
> package we use at our church with about 20 people on the regular
> payroll. Anyone suggest a way to reduce this cost or should we just go
> to ADP

On online quote for ADP processing was $38.80 for 14 employees... per
payroll period... not including direct deposit. The most cost effective way
within QB is still the standard payroll -- either that, or hand calculation
and memorization of payroll checks.

> or Intuit itself? Some of our people are pushing for direct
> deposit because it saves them a little on their bank accounts. I get
> free checking myself.

Direct deposit can be added, even to standard (what used to be called DIY)
payroll within QB. The cost is $.99 per paycheck PLUS a $3.00 transmission
fee per payroll. The transmission fee alone adds $156 to the cost of
standard payroll. Assuming half the folks in your office want direct
deposit, it will cost you an additional $12.90 PER WEEK -- $670.80 per year,
to be paid IN ADDITION TO the regular QB payroll subscription.

You should also be aware that there is a lead time required to process the
direct deposit.
"You must transmit payroll information to us by 5:00 P.M. Pacific time at
least two business banking days before the check date. For example, to
specify a Friday check date, you must transmit payroll information by 5:00
P.M. Pacific time on the previous Wednesday. We debit your account on
Thursday, the day before the check date."

A number of my employees pushed for the direct deposit as well. They were
unwilling, however, to share the extra cost burden.


GWB

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Dec 20, 2004, 4:13:33 PM12/20/04
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Help puzzles:

>>It seems a bit odd to me there is so much talk about payroll service costs on
QB or any other major software package today. Most if not all of the majors
charge for payroll support or even in the case of mid range the payroll module
plus annualized fees to keep it up to date with forms & tables.<<

The reason we bitch about it is that we are getting hosed each year. Before I
switched to QB, I used "Ready-To-Run," which ran on Lotus 123. A payroll
update disk was twenty bucks (if I remember correctly). When they ceased to
support the product, I figured out how to access the macros and change the
numbers, as per Circular E (not rocket science). There would be a lot less
grumbling if they charged a fair price for a simple tax table update. Alas, I
like QB (and so do my tax accountant and my cost report accountant) so I'll
continue to pay and pay, but I reserve the right to grouse about it.<G>

Allan Martin

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Dec 20, 2004, 4:38:24 PM12/20/04
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Yea dude. I used to pay .35 for a gallon of gas and the price of a movie
ticket was just .25 so whats your point? Just when did you become aware of
the cost of living increases that you are still grousing?

GWB

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Dec 20, 2004, 4:46:14 PM12/20/04
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Allan Martin mocks:

>>Yea dude. I used to pay .35 for a gallon of gas and the price of a movie
ticket was just .25 so whats your point? Just when did you become aware of the
cost of living increases that you are still grousing?<<


My point is that two hundred bucks for a simple tax table update is QB taking
advantage of loyal users whom it has by the balls.
If you think that it is a fair price, call me; I have some real estate you
might be interested in.

Allan Martin

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Dec 20, 2004, 5:05:00 PM12/20/04
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Why don't you try entering all the tax changes for all the tax jurisdictions
in the US in your 123 template macro and see how easy it is.

>


Joanne

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Dec 20, 2004, 5:16:58 PM12/20/04
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You are right, it is a lot of money for one business, particularly an NPO.

You may be interested in Medlin shareware:

http://www.medlin.com

It is good software for payroll. I used it for years and used it even after
adopting QB as my accounting software. I now use QB for payroll and and
glad that I do for a lot of reasons, none of which has to do with Medlin.

The thing you will not be able to do with Medlin is Direct Deposit. There
is a section in the user's manual about it, but I think it's impractical.

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GWB

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Dec 20, 2004, 5:26:39 PM12/20/04
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Joanne suggests:

>>You may be interested in Medlin shareware:<<

Naw, I actually like QB (and I don't feel like changing, learning a new program
and starting over), but I will continue to kvetch about getting tapped each
year for payroll updates and every third year for full upgrades.

Joanne

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"GWB" <gwb...@aol.compost> wrote in message
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Payroll can be done in Medlin and a batch entry can then be made to QB. I
don't recommend Medlin accounting software, only the payroll module. A
10-year-old could use it.

Kvetching is a good release. Listening is a choice.

Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.

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Dec 21, 2004, 4:28:13 AM12/21/04
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STOP if you read this post from me in the prior thread:

Your QB tax tables service is now more expensive than
the complete outsourced payroll service offered by
http://www.paycycle.com/. They give you direct deposit,
all tax returns, etc. Ex-Intuit people run this respected
company. Your cost is our $9.99/month cost for up to
20 employees and very little more for extra employees.
This is around 60% less than Intuit's Enhanced Payroll
and 90% less than its Complete Payroll or comparable
ADP or Paychex service. There are even more benefits
if you refer several users.

You can enter payroll in a simple web form and easily
download your data into QuickBooks. You also can
inexpensively submit data by fax, email or phone. This
fast quality service is a get acquainted offer, but you
have no obligation to use us for anything else.

On the other hand, even if you do not use this service I
would really appreciate your remembering this offer the
next time someone says I always support Intuit.

Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.
Intuit paid me to make QuickBooks better!
http://www.blocktax.com/
http://www.quickbooks-add-ons.com/

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GWB

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Dec 21, 2004, 1:56:35 PM12/21/04
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Mike Block notes:

>>Your QB tax tables service is now more expensive than the complete outsourced
payroll service offered by http://www.paycycle.com/. <<

I hope QB takes notice of this and the voices of customers that are sick of
being taken advantage of. I think most of us are willing to stay, but know we
are paying too much.

Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.

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Dec 21, 2004, 5:18:12 PM12/21/04
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You can use http://www.paycycle.com/ to outsource
your payroll, with direct deposit and all tax returns.
You also can quickly download their checks into QB.
Your total cost through us is only $9.99 a month.

Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.
Intuit paid me to make QuickBooks better!
http://www.blocktax.com/
http://www.quickbooks-add-ons.com/


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Joanne

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Dec 21, 2004, 8:09:53 PM12/21/04
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> You can use http://www.paycycle.com/ to outsource
> your payroll, with direct deposit and all tax returns.
> You also can quickly download their checks into QB.
> Your total cost through us is only $9.99 a month.
>
> Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.

I have one client who chooses to use Paycycle. They have 5 employees. They
pay $34.99 a month. It is a horrible payroll choice. The flexibility
stinks.

Al. C

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Dec 21, 2004, 9:16:29 PM12/21/04
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Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A. wrote:


> Your QB tax tables service is now more expensive than
> the complete outsourced payroll service offered by
> http://www.paycycle.com/. They give you direct deposit,
> all tax returns, etc. Ex-Intuit people run this respected
> company. Your cost is our $9.99/month cost for up to
> 20 employees and very little more for extra employees.
>


Are you sure? We've been using PayCycle for two years and have paid them
$39.95 a month and we have less than 20 employees.... way, way, way less! I
think you need to re-check your figures (you ARE a CPA, right :-)

For what it is worth, I'm a BIG FAN of PayCycle. They have done a super job
for us and are well worth the $40 bucks a month we pay them. They are also
really nice people and their customer service is terrific.

Usual disclaimers apply.... we have no relationship with them except being a
happy customer.

Al Canton, President
__________________________________________________________
Adams-Blake Company, Inc.
***
JAYA123 - the web-based total-office system for the
small biz. Order entry, billing, bookkeeping, etc. for $14.95
a month. Perfect for the small business or start-up.
See demo at: http://www.jaya123.com
***

ElJay

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Dec 22, 2004, 8:39:41 PM12/22/04
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I looked at the PayCycle website and it looks like they have a basic service
for $9.99 a month for up to 20 employees. They also have a $39.99 a month
service which includes some additional services. And, just to make things
confusing, they allow you to try the $39.99 a month service for $9.99 a
month for the first three months.

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Al. C

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Dec 22, 2004, 10:32:39 PM12/22/04
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ElJay wrote:

> I looked at the PayCycle website and it looks like they have a basic service
> for $9.99 a month for up to 20 employees. They also have a $39.99 a month
> service which includes some additional services. And, just to make things
> confusing, they allow you to try the $39.99 a month service for $9.99 a
> month for the first three months.
>

They have 3 tiers of service: 39.99, 19.99 and 9.99. They have a 3-month trial
of $9.99 for the first two tiers. They also give the first month free. After
4 months you will pay the higher rate for the service level you choose. The
above prices are for 5 employees, not 20. You have to read the small print at
bottom of the "features" page.

We pay the full-service rate and PayCycle makes our monthly payroll quick and
simple. We really did it for the federal and state reports... and PC puts out
nice PDFs for these mind-numbing tomes and we just print and mail. Of course,
if we had half a brain we'd do it all electronic, but we just have not gotten
around to setting that up yet.... mainly because we don't trust the
government's ability to accept and process electronic filings. But I hear
they are getting better at it so maybe this year we'll go for it. It's not
hard to set up with PC from what I understand.

If I sound like a stockholder or an employee of PC, sorry. I'm just the head
chipmunk of a small CA software corporation who would rather have people
writing software than filling out payroll forms! PayCycle has done a great
job for us the past two years and I recommend them. Usual disclaimers apply.

Al C,.

Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.

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Dec 23, 2004, 9:42:39 PM12/23/04
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I am sure of my http://www.paycycle.com/ cost,
but understand the confusion. Enter the site on
the middle right, saying "I am an accounting
professional." This may also work for you:
http://www.paycycle.com/services/accountant_payroll.jsp?SetBizType=sp&SetState=NY
You will see:


Wholesale Program for Accounting Professionals
$14.99/client per month for 1-5 clients
$9.99/client per month for all additional clients

A linked page says:
The wholesale price is $14.99 per client per month.
Your client receives PayCycle Payroll Plus. This is
a flat fee regardless of the number of employees /
contractors or the frequency of your clients' paydays.
Furthermore, after you've obtained 5 active clients,
you qualify for an additional volume discount where
subsequent clients will cost just $9.99 per client per
month. That comes to 75% off the regular retail price.
PayCycle bills you directly - you decide for yourself
how to bill clients.
Client Retail Service Clients get billed the regular
small business retail price, based on the service
selected and number of employees. You are not
involved in the billing.
----------------------------
I make the wholesale rate available to clients & non-
clients, without obligation, as it costs me nothing.
The company, formed by ex-Intuit people, has a
QuickBooks export. They do not require a CPA
for this wholesale rate and may give it to anyone.
I would really like to know any difference between
the wholesale service and the other Paycycle and
competing services. By the way, they also do
1099s inexpensively.


Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.

Intuit paid me to make QuickBooks better!
http://www.blocktax.com/
http://www.quickbooks-add-ons.com/

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gary

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Dec 26, 2004, 12:02:26 AM12/26/04
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Hi Joanne -

I saw your posting, checked out the Medlin website - downloaded the
trial version and then bought the payroll module. If I may ask, what
kind of batch entry do you make into QB. I've poked around trying to
figure out how to make up a journal entry to account for the payroll
but I'm not sure how to do it.

Tried to e-mail you...but your address was rejected by my ISP.

>
>Payroll can be done in Medlin and a batch entry can then be made to QB. I
>don't recommend Medlin accounting software, only the payroll module. A
>10-year-old could use it.
>
>Kvetching is a good release. Listening is a choice.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:36:00 GMT, "Joanne" <Joa...@jobirdnest.com>
wrote:

Joanne

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"gary" <ga...@garysicecream.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Joanne -
>
> I saw your posting, checked out the Medlin website - downloaded the
> trial version and then bought the payroll module. If I may ask, what
> kind of batch entry do you make into QB. I've poked around trying to
> figure out how to make up a journal entry to account for the payroll
> but I'm not sure how to do it.
>
> Tried to e-mail you...but your address was rejected by my ISP.

You did figure out how to remove the "nest" from my email address.

To answer your question
Something like this:

Wages debit 2,000.00

FICA withheld Payable credit 153.00

Federal withheld Payable credit 400.00

State withheld Payable credit 100.00

FICA company portion Payable credit 153.00

Payroll Tax expense debit 153.00

Bank credit 1,347.00

If I did that correctly, it would be a balancing entry and account for all
the elements of the payroll for all employees for a period.

Since your detail is on Medlin for each employee, you only need to enter the
totals into QB to reflect that detail. When you write a check to pay payroll
taxes from QB the example would be this for the check:

To: IRS

Check Amount: 706.00

Accounts to debit:

FICA withheld Payable 153.00

Federal withheld Payable 400.00

FICA company portion Payable 153.00

I hope this helps.

Joanne

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"Joanne" <Joa...@jobirdnest.com> wrote in message
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>
> "gary" <ga...@garysicecream.com> wrote in message
> news:3ehss0ldlumkjv6vn...@4ax.com...
>> Hi Joanne -
>>
>> I saw your posting, checked out the Medlin website - downloaded the
>> trial version and then bought the payroll module. If I may ask, what
>> kind of batch entry do you make into QB. I've poked around trying to
>> figure out how to make up a journal entry to account for the payroll
>> but I'm not sure how to do it.
>>
>> Tried to e-mail you...but your address was rejected by my ISP.
>
> You did figure out how to remove the "nest" from my email address.
>
> To answer your question
> Something like this:
>
> Wages debit 2,000.00
>
> FICA withheld Payable credit 153.00
>
> Federal withheld Payable credit 400.00
>
> State withheld Payable credit 100.00
>
> FICA company portion Payable credit 153.00
>
> Payroll Tax expense debit 153.00
>
> Bank credit 1,347.00
>
> If I did that correctly, it would be a balancing entry and account for all
> the elements of the payroll for all employees for a period.
>
> Since your detail is on Medlin for each employee, you only need to enter
> the totals into QB to reflect that detail.

One more thought:

You may want to enter each net check with the check number in the memo
column to Bank rather than the total so that reconciling the bank account is
not a problem since not all checks may clear by the statement date.

foldem

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:18:12 GMT, "Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut
C.P.A." <bloc...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>You can use http://www.paycycle.com/ to outsource
>your payroll, with direct deposit and all tax returns.
>You also can quickly download their checks into QB.
>Your total cost through us is only $9.99 a month.
>
>Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.
>Intuit paid me to make QuickBooks better!
> http://www.blocktax.com/
> http://www.quickbooks-add-ons.com/

How do I sign up through you?

Thx.


Best,

Peter

"There are no strangers at BARGE, just friends we haven't met yet"

vh2001

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"Allan Martin" <Al...@Ua-Corp.com> wrote in message
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I'm sure GWB or 95% of people needing the tax table, do NOT need all the tax
jurisdictions in the US...only their own!!
QB could EASILY allow people to make their own changes, for people that want
to, but then they wouldn't have
everyone paying $199/year...or quick, easy money...for a handful of updates
that some $8/hour keypuncher is keying in,
during their part-time job!! Yeah...that sounds fair!! They are screwing
they're loyal customers once again and are only
interested in satisfying their stockholders...period!!


Allan Martin

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You really are missing the point. Back in 1999 when Intuit begain the
current tax table policy it should have been apparent to anyone that this
policy is nothing more than a price increase. You and everyone else are
really not paying 199/year for a few new tax tables you are paying for a
license to use the payroll functions built into the program for an
additional year.

This is their price. You either pay it or walk. The pricing policy has
absolutlely nothing to do with how much they pay someone to keypunch in new
tax rates.

>
>


GWB

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Dec 28, 2004, 4:19:41 PM12/28/04
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Allan Martin says take it or leave it:

>>This is their price. You either pay it or walk. <<

Like I said, I like QB. I've been using it for three years now and I'm quite
comfortable with it. It has made my life easier; at year end I just send my
account a CD with my companies' files and at fiscal year end I send them to our
cost report account. I am not about to "walk." However, I know I'm being
hosed and I don't have to like it. Intuit must walk the line between happy
users singing their praises and customers, sick of being overcharged,
bad-mouthing them at every opportunity. Like a good sheep, I will continue to
pay, but I will not be recommending their product and I will continue to bitch
about mandatory upgrades and overpriced tax updates.


Allan Martin

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Understood, but please allow me the right to get upset when someone crys in
my beer.

>
>


Mike Block - Tax Cut C.P.A.

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Simply send me the company name, state
and approximate number of employees.


Mike Block - QuickBooks Tax Cut C.P.A.
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robertw4771

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Several years ago Intuit realized that the yearly upgrades were only
getting so many people to upgrade the product. The past number of years
the improved have been incremental at best. Obviously it depends on the
features most useful to you but the average user sees little difference
in qbooks 99 and qbooks 2005. So the tax table subs have gone up now to
199 a year and they try to force product upgrades every few years. The
tax table issue seems to bother plenty of users. Since Microsoft is
coming out with a poduct in 2005 directed at qbooks I wonder what their
policy will be. I dont expect the MSFT product to take the world by
storm but it will be interesting anyway.

I remember the policies of this compay back in the the early days fo
computing (the 1980s) They had an almost cult following and as they
have gotten the huge market share in quicken and later quickbooks, the
policies have changed 100%

They relized that tax table fees and support were the way to make the
huge money. In thery your $250.00 program is really a $450.00 program.
Add some support servies and it can go to a yearly cost of approx
$750.00. (Add online banking with billpay and it can be $950.00 a yr)
This can still be a good value for a business, but the additional costs
appear backdoor to the average user.

Several years ago I participated n a qbooks beta test. I encounted a
huge problem at the end of the test period. I called the special
support number they gave me for feedback. They told me that support
ended the day earlier and wanted me to pay $50.00 for the call. Only
after complaining did they agree to give me the proper info. Not a nice
way to treat a beta tester who filled out all reports and such. Also it
should be noted that Quickbooks has carefully protected the program to
work with the vendors they approve and make $$ from. I like the billpay
service thrugh the software and my bank but I do pay $15.00 a month for
this service and many banks do not bother with qbooks billpay.

Rob

Allan Martin

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"robertw4771" <robert....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Several years ago Intuit realized that the yearly upgrades were only
> getting so many people to upgrade the product. The past number of years
> the improved have been incremental at best. Obviously it depends on the
> features most useful to you but the average user sees little difference
> in qbooks 99 and qbooks 2005.

I would give the average user a lot more credit than you do. One would have
to be in a coma not to see the vast improvements in version 2005 over 1999.

Wendy Chatley Green

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For some inexplicable reasons, "Allan Martin" <Al...@Ua-Corp.com>
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:I would give the average user a lot more credit than you do. One would have

:to be in a coma not to see the vast improvements in version 2005 over 1999.

The improvements that I need aren't there. As soon as my
business can afford a real ERP system, I dump QB and, no, I'm not
upgrading.

--
Wendy Chatley Green
wcg...@INVALID.lycos.com

Al. C

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Wendy Chatley Green wrote:

> For some inexplicable reasons, "Allan Martin" <Al...@Ua-Corp.com>
> wrote:
>
> :I would give the average user a lot more credit than you do. One would have
> :to be in a coma not to see the vast improvements in version 2005 over
> :1999.
>
> The improvements that I need aren't there. As soon as my
> business can afford a real ERP system, I dump QB and, no, I'm not
> upgrading.
>

We are seeing a lot of small businesses who are not happy with QB moving over
to our web-based Jaya123 system. It's not the right "fit" for every QB user,
but for some it is simply perfect. YMMV.

Al C.

Allan Martin

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"Wendy Chatley Green" <wcg...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> For some inexplicable reasons, "Allan Martin" <Al...@Ua-Corp.com>
> wrote:
>
> :I would give the average user a lot more credit than you do. One would
> have
> :to be in a coma not to see the vast improvements in version 2005 over
> 1999.
>
> The improvements that I need aren't there. As soon as my
> business can afford a real ERP system, I dump QB and, no, I'm not
> upgrading.

Just because the features you need are not showing up in newer versions of
QB does not validate the statment that the program has not improved since
1999. You like many QB users simply outgrew the program or it was a bad fit
from the start.

Al. C

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>
> "Wendy Chatley Green" <wcg...@verizon.net> wrote in message

>> The improvements that I need aren't there. As soon as my


>> business can afford a real ERP system, I dump QB and, no, I'm not
>> upgrading.
>

I'm not sure that Jaya123 could be considered an ERP system but it has many of
the elements and features that you are looking for. You might want to give it
a try. It is web-based.... nothing to download or install. There is a full
FAQ as well as a demo that does NOT require any personal info to use. Can't
hurt to give it a try.

Al Canton, President

robertw4771

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Jan 3, 2005, 9:15:21 PM1/3/05
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My point is basically there is little change year to year in this
program for the average user. They add some polish overall, however you
can go several years without an upgrade and not miss anything. This is
the same story with Microsoft office product as well. They too are
running out of ways to get people to shell out the big bucks every year
or so. Even when you look at the packaging from year to year they have
little to show as a reason to upgrade.

rob

Terry Wagner

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Jan 21, 2005, 12:24:12 PM1/21/05
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I've only used qb2003 pro for a little over a year now and am dissapopinted
at the $200 pricetag for tax table. Are the tax tables the same thing as
what I can enter under the payroll items list- I can change various
percentages there- is this the same thing?

Terry

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S.M. Serba

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Jan 21, 2005, 4:33:15 PM1/21/05
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Not really. The tax tables allow you to automatically calculate deductions
for paycheques using the Pay Employees function. I also allows for any
format changes to the T4 and T4 Summary forms the CRA may make from time to
time. You can also track year to date wages and deductions, and create
Records of Employment.

Also, if I am not mistaken, if you are on the monthly or annual subscription
plans including payroll, you automatically receive the next year's upgrade.


--
Stephanie Serba, AICIA
Partner, Durham Business Outsource
Accounting & Technology
smserba <at> dbo <dot> ca
www.dbo.ca

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Victor Roberts

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Jan 21, 2005, 4:32:18 PM1/21/05
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:24:12 GMT, "Terry Wagner"
<terr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I've only used qb2003 pro for a little over a year now and am dissapopinted
>at the $200 pricetag for tax table. Are the tax tables the same thing as
>what I can enter under the payroll items list- I can change various
>percentages there- is this the same thing?

I believe the answer is yes. However, QB will not remember any values
you enter manually, other than the year to date totals. They say they
do this to "protect" you :-)

I have only one employee, me, so I use Excel to calculate payroll
deductions and enter the results into QB when I run the occasional
payroll. If I deduct a bit too much that is OK. However, if you have
other employees and need to do regular payrolls and also need to make
sure you don't deduct too much, you may want to look at Medlin
Accounting, www.medlin.com/ They have a payroll module that is only
$45 per year and you can transfer the results to QB each pay period.
You can also run the Medlin payroll module without registering it, but
there will be certain limitations.

--
Vic Roberts
Replace xxx with vdr in e-mail address.

S.M. Serba

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Jan 21, 2005, 4:39:44 PM1/21/05
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But does it work with a Canadian business? Last I heard, Medlin had no
plans to support GST, or Canadian payroll.


--
Stephanie Serba, AICIA
Partner, Durham Business Outsource
Accounting & Technology
smserba <at> dbo <dot> ca
www.dbo.ca


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Victor Roberts

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Jan 21, 2005, 5:54:42 PM1/21/05
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:39:44 -0500, "S.M. Serba" <sms...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>But does it work with a Canadian business? Last I heard, Medlin had no
>plans to support GST, or Canadian payroll.

Sorry, I was think only about the US. As far as I know Medlin does not
calculate tax payments for any other country than the US. But I would
expect there is something similar for Canada. If not, I suggest Excel,
the "Swiss Army Knife" of computer applications.

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