does any version of MMC work???
hexHead®
Grrrr
Is there any combination of Catalyst and MMC drivers that actually
work?
I've uninstalled and reinstalled so many times I could puke...
(ran the AtiCimUn.exe uninstaller, ran Driver Cleaner Pro, and even
did the ol' hunt-n-peck through the registry to make sure all traces
of ATI-whatever were gone. rebooted ad nauseum)
Specifically, everytime I try and use the TV tuner, I get the same
"Unable to initialize" error - which is no help at all...
I've tried god-knows-how-many combinations going back to Catalyst 5.4
& MMC 9.03 - no luck
For whatever reason, I cant seem to get rid of the ATI T200 Unified
AVStream Driver and revert back to the old WDM's - how is that
accomplished?? Is that the problem?
Mercury
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>
> For whatever reason, I cant seem to get rid of the ATI T200 Unified
> AVStream Driver and revert back to the old WDM's - how is that
> accomplished?? Is that the problem?
Possibly. The T200 driver rendered my AIW useless. However, mine is 9600XT
AGP so I don't know how much of my experience is applicable to your
situation.
I use Catalyst 6.2 with MMC 9.06 (I also had good luck with 9.08 but decided
to go with this one after my latest reinstall.) I have the WDMs apearing in
my Device Manager, with (thankfully) no sign of the T200. The T200 starts
showing up with Cat 6.3.
I don't know why you're seeing it with drivers as old as 5.4.
Before uninstalling all the ATI software you should boot in safe mode and
remove all ATI-related devices fron Device Manager. Also make sure you have
no "ghost" devices (for which the drivers are installed but do not show up
because Windows think's they're not connected). See the MS article on how to
do this :
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315539
Good luck.
First of One
the AVIVO suite for the TV tuner to work (don't ask me why).
http://www.driverheaven.net/all-wonder-tv-video-capture/107138-mmc-9-14-released-last-discuss-vote-here-3.html
The AVIVO suite can be downloaded here:
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonxavivo-xp
Note you need Catalyst 8.1 to use the above download. So install Catalyst
8.1 and MMC 9.16.
FYI. T200 Unified AVStream Driver *is* the WDM driver. T200 = Theater 200,
which is the VIVO chip mounted on the AIW 2006 PCIe. The "unified" moniker
denotes a merger of previous components like WDM Rage Theater Audio, WDM
Rage Theater Video, WDM TV Audio Crossbar, etc. You will see a single T200
entry in Device Manager in place of 5-6 WDM entries. Click on the release
notes for the WDM driver for more details:
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/aiwradeonxip-xp
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"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
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hexHead®
wrote:
actually, the 6.2 catalyst drivers have the AT200 drivers as well...
oh well, the search continues...
thanks anyway
hexHead®
wrote:
>According to this Driverheaven forum thread, apparently you need to install
>the AVIVO suite for the TV tuner to work (don't ask me why).
>http://www.driverheaven.net/all-wonder-tv-video-capture/107138-mmc-9-14-released-last-discuss-vote-here-3.html
>
>The AVIVO suite can be downloaded here:
>http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonxavivo-xp
>
>Note you need Catalyst 8.1 to use the above download. So install Catalyst
>8.1 and MMC 9.16.
>
>FYI. T200 Unified AVStream Driver *is* the WDM driver. T200 = Theater 200,
>which is the VIVO chip mounted on the AIW 2006 PCIe. The "unified" moniker
>denotes a merger of previous components like WDM Rage Theater Audio, WDM
>Rage Theater Video, WDM TV Audio Crossbar, etc. You will see a single T200
>entry in Device Manager in place of 5-6 WDM entries. Click on the release
>notes for the WDM driver for more details:
>http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/aiwradeonxip-xp
wow, that was the worst install yet....
after spending another whole day screwing around, looking for files,
deleting and reinstalling ATI crap, the MMC was totally hosed after
following the instructions I found here. - Modules I didn't want (DVD,
File Player, etc) were installed anyway, even though I specifically
said not to. All I wanted was TV and FM. Once installed, the
Configuration tool contained entries for modules that were NOT
installed, yet TV and FM were not to be found anywhere (Why am I not
surprised?) - naturally, clicking on either the TV or FM icons in the
program group did nothing. <sigh>
..and of course I wound up with that stupid white square in the upper
left corner I've heard about. who writes this software, a buncha
drug-impaired monkeys?
Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not blaming anyone, anyone other
than ATI that is...
you know, it feels like I've been to dozens of sites over the last
year trying to get a handle on this problem, and all of them have
similar advise - usually a series of specific files, and an
unbelievebly stupid series of specific steps that have to be followed
in order to make it all work. and in all those pages, none of them
agree - everybody has their own convaluted way pf patching together
what works for them - it's as if you have to belong to an insider's
club and know the secret handshake.
what's really funny is, I can just go download AmCap (one 237KB file
<< that's KB!!) from http://www.noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=video#AMCap
, install that, and in about 2 minutes I have a working TV tuner,
complete with a customizable channel guide, resizable windows and
working recording functions, and IT WORKS.
what's wrong with this picture?
or rather, WTF is wrong with ATI?
what garbage... never again.
T Shadow
The secret handshake, at least with an AGP AIW, is to go to
http://ati.com/install do everything exactly as it says. I've used every
version from 9.01 to 9.16. Never had an install issue this couldn't fix.
Unfortunately the first install doesn't always work. The method of install
is way more complicated than it should be.Where most fail is not getting all
steps done and in the proper order. I had to make a check list to make sure
everything got done correctly. IIRC 13 steps for AIW&HDTV Wonder for 9.16.
If you had an AGP card like my AIW9600XT would suggest 9.06 and Cat6.1.
Thought 6.3 was the first version for the Unified driver too but memory
isn't that great. May also be that your not getting things clean.
Since you have a newer card I wouldn't use a release older than what came
with the card. Do full installs until it's working then if you want to
remove, do a Modify install. Very easy. Make sure you have the latest M/B
chipset drivers and run dxdiag. Work on MMC. I usually try a couple of
Repair installs before starting completely over. AmCap working should mean
the drivers are installed correctly but wouldn't bet on it.
Good Luck.
hexHead®
<blac...@nowhere.void.com> wrote:
>The secret handshake, at least with an AGP AIW, is to go to
>http://ati.com/install do everything exactly as it says. I've used every
>version from 9.01 to 9.16. Never had an install issue this couldn't fix.
>Unfortunately the first install doesn't always work. The method of install
>is way more complicated than it should be.Where most fail is not getting all
>steps done and in the proper order. I had to make a check list to make sure
>everything got done correctly. IIRC 13 steps for AIW&HDTV Wonder for 9.16.
>
>If you had an AGP card like my AIW9600XT would suggest 9.06 and Cat6.1.
>Thought 6.3 was the first version for the Unified driver too but memory
>isn't that great. May also be that your not getting things clean.
>
>Since you have a newer card I wouldn't use a release older than what came
>with the card. Do full installs until it's working then if you want to
>remove, do a Modify install. Very easy. Make sure you have the latest M/B
>chipset drivers and run dxdiag. Work on MMC. I usually try a couple of
>Repair installs before starting completely over. AmCap working should mean
>the drivers are installed correctly but wouldn't bet on it.
>
>Good Luck.
done all that - more times than I can remember - for nearly a year
now. it worked for a while a year ago, but not since.
one thing I DO know, any instructions found on ATI's site are
useless...
T Shadow
Works for me. Maybe your card is defective or ? .
Mercury
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>
> Works for me. Maybe your card is defective or ? .
>
Or ATI's drivers suck so much that they may work or not depending on:
- which ATI card you have
- which version of said card you have
- what motherboard chipset you have
- what other ATI software you have installed currently
- what other ATI software you had installed previously
- what 3rd party software you have installed currently
- what brand of shampoo you use
- how many vowels your middle name has
First of One
> wow, that was the worst install yet....
> after spending another whole day screwing around, looking for files,
> deleting and reinstalling ATI crap, the MMC was totally hosed after
> following the instructions I found here. - Modules I didn't want (DVD,
> File Player, etc) were installed anyway, even though I specifically
> said not to. All I wanted was TV and FM. Once installed, the
> Configuration tool contained entries for modules that were NOT
> installed, yet TV and FM were not to be found anywhere (Why am I not
> surprised?) - naturally, clicking on either the TV or FM icons in the
> program group did nothing. <sigh>
Ugh, that was unfortunate. Sorry for putting you through this. Never bother
with Driverheaven posts again... Good to see you had found a better app,
though.
> ..and of course I wound up with that stupid white square in the upper
> left corner I've heard about. who writes this software, a buncha
> drug-impaired monkeys?
That's Sir RenderMonkey (tm) to you... Seriously, though, notice how nVidia
doesn't make this kind of combo graphics cards with tuner/capture
capabilities. The nVidia product planners probably thought version-matching
all the multimedia software (which progresses at a slower pace than the core
graphics drivers) wasn't worth the headaches.
hexHead®
wrote:
>"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:4uuep39rand6qguv8...@4ax.com...
>> wow, that was the worst install yet....
>> after spending another whole day screwing around, looking for files,
>> deleting and reinstalling ATI crap, the MMC was totally hosed after
>> following the instructions I found here. - Modules I didn't want (DVD,
>> File Player, etc) were installed anyway, even though I specifically
>> said not to. All I wanted was TV and FM. Once installed, the
>> Configuration tool contained entries for modules that were NOT
>> installed, yet TV and FM were not to be found anywhere (Why am I not
>> surprised?) - naturally, clicking on either the TV or FM icons in the
>> program group did nothing. <sigh>
>
>Ugh, that was unfortunate. Sorry for putting you through this. Never bother
>with Driverheaven posts again... Good to see you had found a better app,
>though.
aw hell, not your fault, in fact this is exactly what I've come to
expect with ATI products - at least they're consistent ;)
>
>
>> ..and of course I wound up with that stupid white square in the upper
>> left corner I've heard about. who writes this software, a buncha
>> drug-impaired monkeys?
>
>That's Sir RenderMonkey (tm) to you... Seriously, though, notice how nVidia
>doesn't make this kind of combo graphics cards with tuner/capture
>capabilities. The nVidia product planners probably thought version-matching
>all the multimedia software (which progresses at a slower pace than the core
>graphics drivers) wasn't worth the headaches.
yea well, I think it's time to just to just purge the ATI demon and
start over, chalk it up to a lesson learned. but still you can't help
but wonder, with hardware and its accompanying drivers and software
being soooo consistently bad - does anyone from ATI actually use their
own products?
Matt Ion
I feel your pain, brother (pours hexHead a shot of tequila)...
My Radeon 9800 AIW eventually got to the point where the tuner would
work with any software BUT MMC, no matter what combination of
drivers/MMC versions I tried. I went through all the same
removal/cleaning steps you did, without success. Ultimately I decided
to just buck up for a copy of BeyondTV, and then decided to get one of
their bundles that included the Hauppauge HVR-1600 tuner card, which has
both standard analog *and* ATSC hi-def tuners... now my AiW performs
simple display-adapter duty on some older version of the Radeon
drivers... and I occasionally use it to feed Windows Media Encoder to
stream hockey games that my out-of-town buddy can't get on his local
satellite feed :)
In the middle of all this, I discovered through other programs'
complaints that DirectDraw isn't working on my system, and I suspect
this may have been related to MMC's issues starting up. I have yet to
get it working, through another extensive series of
uninstall/clean/manually-clean/reinstall bullshit and fear it may come
down to simple formatting my drive and installing everything clean...
possibly with the addition of a new Nvidia card, as I've quite had it
with anything ATI.
Matt Ion
> yea well, I think it's time to just to just purge the ATI demon and
> start over, chalk it up to a lesson learned. but still you can't help
> but wonder, with hardware and its accompanying drivers and software
> being soooo consistently bad - does anyone from ATI actually use their
> own products?
I emailed them once and asked them that exact question... the response
assured me that ALL their workstations there use ATI cards, always with
the latest drivers, and of course, everything always works just fine.
I'd been putting ATI cards in my family's computers for years, mostly
because I really liked their OpenGL support... when I recently rebuilt
my wife's computer, I put an nVidia card in it. I'm through with ATI
forever.
hexHead®
wrote:
>hexHeadŽ wrote:
>
>> yea well, I think it's time to just to just purge the ATI demon and
>> start over, chalk it up to a lesson learned. but still you can't help
>> but wonder, with hardware and its accompanying drivers and software
>> being soooo consistently bad - does anyone from ATI actually use their
>> own products?
>
>I emailed them once and asked them that exact question... the response
>assured me that ALL their workstations there use ATI cards, always with
>the latest drivers, and of course, everything always works just fine.
heh, I know what you mean. it's a little like listening to those sales
figures for Vista coming from Microsoft... what do you expect them to
say?
>
>I'd been putting ATI cards in my family's computers for years, mostly
>because I really liked their OpenGL support... when I recently rebuilt
>my wife's computer, I put an nVidia card in it. I'm through with ATI
>forever.
count me in as well.
hexHead®
wrote:
>hexHeadŽ wrote:
well the AIW is in the garbage and I sprung for a GEForce 8500GT
plugged the sucker in and it immediately found and properly identified
and configured not only my Acer 1916W widescreen, but also a 15"
Polaroid flat screen HDTV that I have hooked up as a second monitor.
What amazed me was how it found and identified that Polaroid, even
referring to it by the correct model #. I don't think it was even
turned on at the time.
A sad commentary of the times we live in when you find yourself being
surprised, even amazed that a product actually works as advertised...
never again ATI.. never again.
Mercury
> well the AIW is in the garbage
Seriously? You could at least offer to send it to someone if they pay you
for the shipping. I'd take it if I had a comp that wasn't a relic (i.e.
without PCI-E).
hexHead®
wrote:
I wouldn't do that to somebody...
trust me, it's better off in a landfill.
T Shadow
Would be embarrassing if someone else got it to work?
hexHead®
<blac...@nowhere.void.com> wrote:
>"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:2ae2q35np9em8pu5b...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:11:34 -0500, "Mercury" <nob...@nospam.null>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >news:p5s1q3l95agpeluca...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> well the AIW is in the garbage
>> >
>> >Seriously? You could at least offer to send it to someone if they pay you
>> >for the shipping. I'd take it if I had a comp that wasn't a relic (i.e.
>> >without PCI-E).
>> >
>>
>> I wouldn't do that to somebody...
>> trust me, it's better off in a landfill.
>
>
>Would be embarrassing if someone else got it to work?
oh i see, you know something the rest of us don't.
care to share mr. wizard?
hexHead®
>"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:2ae2q35np9em8pu5b...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:11:34 -0500, "Mercury" <nob...@nospam.null>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"hexHeadŽ" <hex...@msn.com> wrote in message
>> >news:p5s1q3l95agpeluca...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> well the AIW is in the garbage
>> >
>> >Seriously? You could at least offer to send it to someone if they pay you
>> >for the shipping. I'd take it if I had a comp that wasn't a relic (i.e.
>> >without PCI-E).
>> >
>>
>> I wouldn't do that to somebody...
>> trust me, it's better off in a landfill.
>
>
>Would be embarrassing if someone else got it to work?
what no reply?
damn, I was anxiously awaiting your step by step procedure to get this
card to work perfectly.
perfectly, hell, I'll settle for working as advertised.
Mercury
>
> what no reply?
> damn, I was anxiously awaiting your step by step procedure to get this
> card to work perfectly.
> perfectly, hell, I'll settle for working as advertised.
It is very possible that the card simply will not work due to some
hardware/software configuration quirk present in your system, but that does
not mean that no one else could get the card to work in their system. I
seriously doubt that 100% of AIW2006 purchasers are unable to use their
card's TV features.
As I said, I'd take the card off your hands if I had a system that would
take it. Maybe it would work, maybe not, but I'd be willing to try. Tossing
the card in the garbage is short-sighted, not to mention environmentally
unfriendly.
And I think T Shadow has a point - if someone did take the card and got it
working, it would probably sting you a little. I think that's part of the
reason you're tossing away functional hardware.
T Shadow
Your saying ATI is junk but from where I sit your abilities are in question
too and it could be other problems. I see a lot of people complaining that
are using the same equipment I have and mine works. You seem competent but
hardware failures are uncommon and the drivers seemingly installing
correctly would make the odds even less. No ones watching you to see if your
making any mistakes in the lengthy clean and reinstall procedure. It's easy
to make mistakes. 13 steps for my AIW&HDTV Wonder using 9.16
It's been a while but in the past it wasn't uncommon for numerous people to
come to the group and complain about problems with the %*/@ ATI and it would
turn out they had a VIA chipset. Took a while for VIA to fix it and even
longer for users to get the update. Probably went on for a year.
M$ DX9.0b had a problem the effected AIW PAL users. Long time to figure out.
Fortunately most people got 9.0c quickly. Problem lasted months, at least,
with everyone blaming ATI.
ATI should be berated for their crummy installation tools but it doesn't
mean it can't be done by most. Your problem could be ATI's fault but I don't
know that and neither do you. I've noticed the most popular products get the
most criticism deserved or not. If your sure you've done all you can, have
fun with your new hardware. Guess you still don't have a tuner though.
Doesn't mean everyone should give up and blame ATI..
hexHead®
>>
>> oh i see, you know something the rest of us don't.
>> care to share mr. wizard?
>
> Your saying ATI is junk but from where I sit your abilities are in question
>too and it could be other problems. I see a lot of people complaining that
>are using the same equipment I have and mine works.
Thar she blows. the "it works for me" argument.
You oughta apply to become an MS MVP ;)
You seem competent but
>hardware failures are uncommon and the drivers seemingly installing
>correctly would make the odds even less. No ones watching you to see if your
>making any mistakes in the lengthy clean and reinstall procedure. It's easy
>to make mistakes. 13 steps for my AIW&HDTV Wonder using 9.16
exactly. 13 steps - and what's truly amazing is that you find this
somehow acceptable.
FWIW, been there, done that, including multiple reformats and
reinstalls of the OS over the last year.
..and it still doesn't work? - oops, I guess I must be stupid then...
or like I said earlier, I guess I just don't know the "secret
handshake"
13 steps huh?
I bought a GEForce two days ago. Took exactly TWO steps:
1) replace POS ATI card with new NVidia card
2) turn on PC
GMAN
>On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 05:31:47 -0500, "T Shadow"
>>> >Would be embarrassing if someone else got it to work?
>>>
>>> oh i see, you know something the rest of us don't.
>>> care to share mr. wizard?
>>
>> Your saying ATI is junk but from where I sit your abilities are in question
>>too and it could be other problems. I see a lot of people complaining that
>>are using the same equipment I have and mine works.
>
>
>Thar she blows. the "it works for me" argument.
>You oughta apply to become an MS MVP ;)
>
Its true of Pinnacle products. I see endless bitching aboutrStudio 9/10/11 not
working and crashing on people yet i have never had one issue with pinnacle
software on my system. Then again my video editing system doesnt have have
thetons of games and shareware and other crap most people dump onto their
general purpose pc's
>
>You seem competent but
>>hardware failures are uncommon and the drivers seemingly installing
>>correctly would make the odds even less. No ones watching you to see if your
>>making any mistakes in the lengthy clean and reinstall procedure. It's easy
>>to make mistakes. 13 steps for my AIW&HDTV Wonder using 9.16
>
>
>exactly. 13 steps - and what's truly amazing is that you find this
>somehow acceptable.
>FWIW, been there, done that, including multiple reformats and
>reinstalls of the OS over the last year.
>...and it still doesn't work? - oops, I guess I must be stupid then...
T Shadow
> On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 05:31:47 -0500, "T Shadow"
> >> >Would be embarrassing if someone else got it to work?
> >>
> >> oh i see, you know something the rest of us don't.
> >> care to share mr. wizard?
> >
> > Your saying ATI is junk but from where I sit your abilities are in
question
> >too and it could be other problems. I see a lot of people complaining
that
> >are using the same equipment I have and mine works.
>
>
> Thar she blows. the "it works for me" argument.
> You oughta apply to become an MS MVP ;)
>
It means the software works, your system has a problem. A lot of people
think you stick a card in a PC and it should work just like magic. They
don't realize motherboards have chipsets and a BIOS and all of them aren't
made by the same company. Sometimes they have problems. Other hardware and
software in your computer can cause problems. ATI isn't responsible for
everything in your computer.
>
> You seem competent but
> >hardware failures are uncommon and the drivers seemingly installing
> >correctly would make the odds even less. No ones watching you to see if
your
> >making any mistakes in the lengthy clean and reinstall procedure. It's
easy
> >to make mistakes. 13 steps for my AIW&HDTV Wonder using 9.16
>
>
> exactly. 13 steps - and what's truly amazing is that you find this
> somehow acceptable.
> FWIW, been there, done that, including multiple reformats and
> reinstalls of the OS over the last year.
> ..and it still doesn't work? - oops, I guess I must be stupid then...
> or like I said earlier, I guess I just don't know the "secret
> handshake"
>
> 13 steps huh?
> I bought a GEForce two days ago. Took exactly TWO steps:
> 1) replace POS ATI card with new NVidia card
> 2) turn on PC
>
Doesn't matter whether or not it's acceptable. Just the way it is. Have had
the cards for almost 4 years. Wouldn't buy any analog only card now. I
started with 9.01. Up until 9.06 using the CatUninstallier worked. Don't
recall you saying you had a problem with the video and you still don't have
a working tuner card or features that make them worthwhile and complicated.
You've gained nothing. The fact that you don't see the difference doesn't
speak well for you
> >
> >It's been a while but in the past it wasn't uncommon for numerous people
to
> >come to the group and complain about problems with the %*/@ ATI and it
would
> >turn out they had a VIA chipset. Took a while for VIA to fix it and even
> >longer for users to get the update. Probably went on for a year.
> >
> >M$ DX9.0b had a problem the effected AIW PAL users. Long time to figure
out.
> >Fortunately most people got 9.0c quickly. Problem lasted months, at
least,
> >with everyone blaming ATI.
> >
> >ATI should be berated for their crummy installation tools but it doesn't
> >mean it can't be done by most. Your problem could be ATI's fault but I
don't
> >know that and neither do you. I've noticed the most popular products get
the
> >most criticism deserved or not. If your sure you've done all you can,
have
> >fun with your new hardware. Guess you still don't have a tuner though.
> >Doesn't mean everyone should give up and blame ATI..
> >
I bought the AIW and HDTV Wonder at same time. Have had almost no problems
with the AIW and would only have done installations when new versions came
out if not for the HDTV Wonder. The 13 steps is only necessary when a
regular uninstall/reinstall doesn't work. Shouldn't really be necessary to
do it very often.
Really haven't had major problems with the HDTV Wonder since the 3rd version
of DTV. Have gotten the experience from getting them to work together. It's
worth some work to have a DVR and HDTV-DVR for this kind of money. I'm not
aware of any tuner cards that no one has a problems with and didn't see any
with better PQ or features when I was looking.
Only thing you've proven is you haven't been able to make it work on your
system. . It may get expensive buying new hardware every time you have a
problem.