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Skybuck Flying
Nov 20, 2012, 11:55:33 PM11/20/12
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If this does not happen, the data center world will take over from the PC
world.
And all users will use light weight devices to connect to their data
centers, and as facebook proves people are more than willing to place their
balls into the hands of people like zuckerbie and google ceo's...
Not knowing what horror this will bring.
Ask Bill Gates who got kicked of his universitie's super computer what that
is like.
To make sure that this Hell that Bill Gates experienced does not become
reality for millions of people around the world, the PC must remain
victorious.
The only way to achieve victory is:
1. Idiot proof components. Which means no matter what way they are connected
it will not cause damage.
2. High warranty periods.
Without these two conditions it will go to hell.
As if these problems are not already enough there are plenty of others.
End of rant. ;) =D
Bye,
Skyrant.
world.
And all users will use light weight devices to connect to their data
centers, and as facebook proves people are more than willing to place their
balls into the hands of people like zuckerbie and google ceo's...
Not knowing what horror this will bring.
Ask Bill Gates who got kicked of his universitie's super computer what that
is like.
To make sure that this Hell that Bill Gates experienced does not become
reality for millions of people around the world, the PC must remain
victorious.
The only way to achieve victory is:
1. Idiot proof components. Which means no matter what way they are connected
it will not cause damage.
2. High warranty periods.
Without these two conditions it will go to hell.
As if these problems are not already enough there are plenty of others.
End of rant. ;) =D
Bye,
Skyrant.
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 12:01:52 AM11/21/12
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In case you were wondering:
This rant was caused by USB PORT/PLUG designers on motherboards.
To make the point perfectly clear:
Ask yourself one question if you think you actually have a brain with an iq
higher than 50:
In how many ways can usb plugs be connected to those stupid usb pins on the
motherboard ?!
Now imagine: being lazy, being dark, in a dark room, not wanting to
disconnect everything and move the computer on to the table, but instead
trying to plug in your just purchased usb device that goes into the pc ?!
What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
Answer: quite high.
Possible result: short circuit, via ground wire perhaps, especially for non
grounded PCs ?!
Here is a real challenge for you:
Tell me what will happen if a USB plugs is placed 1 row of pins lower or in
case the plastic-pin blocks it, 1 row HIGHER LOLOLOLOL ?!
Those dumb fuckers actually believe that filling with little pin, in the
plug actually prevents wrong placement ?! WRONGGG !!! FOKKING MORONS !
Bye,
Skyrant.
This rant was caused by USB PORT/PLUG designers on motherboards.
To make the point perfectly clear:
Ask yourself one question if you think you actually have a brain with an iq
higher than 50:
In how many ways can usb plugs be connected to those stupid usb pins on the
motherboard ?!
Now imagine: being lazy, being dark, in a dark room, not wanting to
disconnect everything and move the computer on to the table, but instead
trying to plug in your just purchased usb device that goes into the pc ?!
What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
Answer: quite high.
Possible result: short circuit, via ground wire perhaps, especially for non
grounded PCs ?!
Here is a real challenge for you:
Tell me what will happen if a USB plugs is placed 1 row of pins lower or in
case the plastic-pin blocks it, 1 row HIGHER LOLOLOLOL ?!
Those dumb fuckers actually believe that filling with little pin, in the
plug actually prevents wrong placement ?! WRONGGG !!! FOKKING MORONS !
Bye,
Skyrant.
GMAN
Nov 21, 2012, 12:30:39 PM11/21/12
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of loose wires like so many cheap made in china case have.
Pete
Nov 21, 2012, 12:07:56 PM11/21/12
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High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
idiot proof I'm not so sure.
The problem is the average person hasn't got the experience or the
knowledge to be inside a PC chassis. If you want to maintain warranty
then you need to take ESD precautions, which most people won't know or
even care about. The only way for extended warranty is to keep people
out of the guts and ensure work is carried out by professionals.
I personally don't rely on system warranty, I generally buy individual
components and construct the system myself. The only failures I've
suffered have been HDD related.
Lightweight devices are great, I currently have a home server which does
all my processing for media serving, etc. around the house. I use Atom
based custom devices to access the media (XBMC) which works very well.
Pete
idiot proof I'm not so sure.
The problem is the average person hasn't got the experience or the
knowledge to be inside a PC chassis. If you want to maintain warranty
then you need to take ESD precautions, which most people won't know or
even care about. The only way for extended warranty is to keep people
out of the guts and ensure work is carried out by professionals.
I personally don't rely on system warranty, I generally buy individual
components and construct the system myself. The only failures I've
suffered have been HDD related.
Lightweight devices are great, I currently have a home server which does
all my processing for media serving, etc. around the house. I use Atom
based custom devices to access the media (XBMC) which works very well.
Pete
Pete
Nov 21, 2012, 12:11:06 PM11/21/12
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I see your point, I hadn't considered the option of placing it a row
down/up. In that case we would need a blanking pin at the top also
in-line with the other one to stop it being rotated.
Your point is definitely valid though!
down/up. In that case we would need a blanking pin at the top also
in-line with the other one to stop it being rotated.
Your point is definitely valid though!
JW
Nov 21, 2012, 1:26:02 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:55:33 +0100 "Skybuck Flying"
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote in Message id:
<6dd72$50ad07e3$54193041$29...@cache60.multikabel.net>:
>
>1. Idiot proof components. Which means no matter what way they are connected
>it will not cause damage.
Quotes:
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so
ingenious." --RobertHeinlein
"Those who try to build idiot-proof systems always underestimate the
persistence and ingenuity of idiots." --anon
"If you make your system more idiot-proof the idiots will build a
bigger idiot" --anon
"You can make something foolproof, but not damnfoolproof" --anon
HTH. (But I doubt it...)
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote in Message id:
<6dd72$50ad07e3$54193041$29...@cache60.multikabel.net>:
>
>1. Idiot proof components. Which means no matter what way they are connected
>it will not cause damage.
"It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so
ingenious." --RobertHeinlein
"Those who try to build idiot-proof systems always underestimate the
persistence and ingenuity of idiots." --anon
"If you make your system more idiot-proof the idiots will build a
bigger idiot" --anon
"You can make something foolproof, but not damnfoolproof" --anon
HTH. (But I doubt it...)
John Larkin
Nov 21, 2012, 1:39:44 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
>idiot proof I'm not so sure.
Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
>High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
>idiot proof I'm not so sure.
pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
has its orientation mark on the bottom.
Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
>
>The problem is the average person hasn't got the experience or the
>knowledge to be inside a PC chassis. If you want to maintain warranty
>then you need to take ESD precautions, which most people won't know or
>even care about. The only way for extended warranty is to keep people
>out of the guts and ensure work is carried out by professionals.
all assembled and working, with warranty, cheap nowadays.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser drivers and controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 21, 2012, 1:43:21 PM11/21/12
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John Larkin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
> >High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
> >idiot proof I'm not so sure.
>
> Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
> pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
> subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
> tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
> has its orientation mark on the bottom.
>
> Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
DIY hack jobs that ended up in the shop. The least likely to be put in
wrong were the very early 4, 5, 6, & 7 pin large base tubes but even
those designs didn't keep idiots from breaking sockets while trying to
insert them in the wrong orientation.
John Larkin
Nov 21, 2012, 2:18:15 PM11/21/12
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keyway, but most radio/TV tubes were hard to get in wrong.
Octals were great; you could get them in right by feel, in places you
could reach but not see.
Pete
Nov 21, 2012, 2:25:59 PM11/21/12
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On 21/11/2012 18:39, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>> High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
>> idiot proof I'm not so sure.
>
> Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
> pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
> subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
> tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
> has its orientation mark on the bottom.
>
> Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
>
>>
>> The problem is the average person hasn't got the experience or the
>> knowledge to be inside a PC chassis. If you want to maintain warranty
>> then you need to take ESD precautions, which most people won't know or
>> even care about. The only way for extended warranty is to keep people
>> out of the guts and ensure work is carried out by professionals.
>
> There's not much point in building your own PC, when you can get one
> all assembled and working, with warranty, cheap nowadays.
>
>
I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
the average off the shelf PC.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 21, 2012, 2:32:56 PM11/21/12
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John Larkin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:43:21 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Larkin wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
> >> >idiot proof I'm not so sure.
> >>
> >> Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
> >> pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
> >> subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
> >> tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
> >> has its orientation mark on the bottom.
> >>
> >> Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
> >
> >
> > Sure they could. Bent pins, or a missing keyway. I saw it in many
> >DIY hack jobs that ended up in the shop. The least likely to be put in
> >wrong were the very early 4, 5, 6, & 7 pin large base tubes but even
> >those designs didn't keep idiots from breaking sockets while trying to
> >insert them in the wrong orientation.
>
> Well, you could hammer a tube into its socket, or break off the
> keyway, but most radio/TV tubes were hard to get in wrong.
their bare hands. Like the one that came into the shop with a PC mount
can capacitor out of a car radio, with a chunk of phenolic circuit board
attached and wanted to by a new vibrator for his radio. he didn't
believe it wasn't a vibrator and screamed, "You #$%^&* idiots! My daddy
used to fix his car radios and it was always a bad vibrator!"
> Octals were great; you could get them in right by feel, in places you
> could reach but not see.
removing the tubes. Or swell and break off when you tried to remove the
tube. Then you had to break it out in pieces to install the new tube.
Try peddling this to people who didn't repair tube based electronics
for a few decades.
Pete
Nov 21, 2012, 2:37:08 PM11/21/12
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I didn't dip into computer mods until the later days of IDE, SATA rules!
rickman
Nov 21, 2012, 3:33:08 PM11/21/12
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On 11/21/2012 12:01 AM, Skybuck Flying wrote:
>
> Now imagine: being lazy, being dark, in a dark room, not wanting to
> disconnect everything and move the computer on to the table, but instead
> trying to plug in your just purchased usb device that goes into the pc ?!
>
> What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
>
> Answer: quite high.
Lazy, dark and hmmmm, on the floor from what I can gather... This
>
> Now imagine: being lazy, being dark, in a dark room, not wanting to
> disconnect everything and move the computer on to the table, but instead
> trying to plug in your just purchased usb device that goes into the pc ?!
>
> What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
>
> Answer: quite high.
clearly sounds like a product liability law suit! LOL
Why not just stop being lazy, turning on a good light or just not doing
things that you clearly know put your hardware at risk?
Rick
Jeff Liebermann
Nov 21, 2012, 3:46:11 PM11/21/12
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sockets with the tube still in the socket. Extracting the tube tended
to be umm.... difficult. I still have this problem with industrial
control systems that use octal socket relays.
What's wrong with this picture?
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/GX520-bad-caps.jpg>
Spoiler: The four big electrolytics are soldered in backwards. Why?
Because on every other PCB, the silkscreen marks the negative pin with
a big white blob to match the big wide white stripe on the
electrolytic can. Not this PCB, where a better idiot marked the
postitive pin on the PCB. A few weeks later, I was again not paying
attention (or was wearing the wrong eyeglasses), and repeated the same
mistake.
Drivel: Design News magazine has a column called "Made by Monkeys"
which highlights stupid product design errors.
<http://www.designnews.com/archives.asp?section_id=1367&dfpPParams=bid_240&dfpLayout=siteInfo>
When I want to be truly disgusted, I read product liability litigation
cases and claims. You did what with our product?
--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff Liebermann
Nov 21, 2012, 3:49:20 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:37:08 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>Like me! I have no idea what you guys are talking about ha ha
>I didn't dip into computer mods until the later days of IDE, SATA rules!
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
>Like me! I have no idea what you guys are talking about ha ha
>I didn't dip into computer mods until the later days of IDE, SATA rules!
(George Santayana)
Jeff Liebermann
Nov 21, 2012, 4:04:15 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:25:59 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
Beating my head against the wall is something I enjoy doing because it
>Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
feels so good when I stop.
>I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
>the average off the shelf PC.
and speed for gaming, hardware decoding for pirated movies, no fans,
liquid cooling, multiple monitor flight simulators, render farming,
faster programming, etc. The list of non-mainstream applications
grows every day. I guess if I had a fetish, it would be maximum
uptime and reliability. My customers pay me for it. Oddly, I do
better modifying packaged systems, than buy building something from
scratch.
In audio, such a fetish would label you an audiophile. In computing,
you would perhaps be a computerfile.
John Larkin
Nov 21, 2012, 4:04:38 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:46:11 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:32:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> The thin plastic keyways would deteriorate and fall off, without even
>>removing the tubes. Or swell and break off when you tried to remove the
>>tube. Then you had to break it out in pieces to install the new tube.
>
>Extra credit to the do-it-thyself repairmen who soldered the octal
>sockets with the tube still in the socket. Extracting the tube tended
>to be umm.... difficult. I still have this problem with industrial
>control systems that use octal socket relays.
>
>What's wrong with this picture?
><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/GX520-bad-caps.jpg>
>Spoiler: The four big electrolytics are soldered in backwards. Why?
>Because on every other PCB, the silkscreen marks the negative pin with
>a big white blob to match the big wide white stripe on the
>electrolytic can. Not this PCB, where a better idiot marked the
>postitive pin on the PCB. A few weeks later, I was again not paying
>attention (or was wearing the wrong eyeglasses), and repeated the same
>mistake.
We always put a + sign on the silk. Our people are able to figure out
that the - marked side of the cap doesn't solder to the + sign side on
the board.
>
>Drivel: Design News magazine has a column called "Made by Monkeys"
>which highlights stupid product design errors.
><http://www.designnews.com/archives.asp?section_id=1367&dfpPParams=bid_240&dfpLayout=siteInfo>
>When I want to be truly disgusted, I read product liability litigation
>cases and claims. You did what with our product?
My Audi sure deserves to be in that list. The controls are incredibly
dumb, clumsy, and dangerous.
wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:32:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> The thin plastic keyways would deteriorate and fall off, without even
>>removing the tubes. Or swell and break off when you tried to remove the
>>tube. Then you had to break it out in pieces to install the new tube.
>
>Extra credit to the do-it-thyself repairmen who soldered the octal
>sockets with the tube still in the socket. Extracting the tube tended
>to be umm.... difficult. I still have this problem with industrial
>control systems that use octal socket relays.
>
>What's wrong with this picture?
><http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/crud/GX520-bad-caps.jpg>
>Spoiler: The four big electrolytics are soldered in backwards. Why?
>Because on every other PCB, the silkscreen marks the negative pin with
>a big white blob to match the big wide white stripe on the
>electrolytic can. Not this PCB, where a better idiot marked the
>postitive pin on the PCB. A few weeks later, I was again not paying
>attention (or was wearing the wrong eyeglasses), and repeated the same
>mistake.
that the - marked side of the cap doesn't solder to the + sign side on
the board.
>
>Drivel: Design News magazine has a column called "Made by Monkeys"
>which highlights stupid product design errors.
><http://www.designnews.com/archives.asp?section_id=1367&dfpPParams=bid_240&dfpLayout=siteInfo>
>When I want to be truly disgusted, I read product liability litigation
>cases and claims. You did what with our product?
dumb, clumsy, and dangerous.
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 4:19:14 AM11/21/12
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"rickman" <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:k8jdqb$obr$1...@dont-email.me...
been the second time.
My memory came back to me...
The wrongly place connector might even have happened during full day light.
The reason is simple:
To actually build in the card reader requires pulling out the floppy drive
and putting the new device back in.
I can remember spending 1 or 2 hours just figuring out how to get the screws
in correctly so it wouldn't be sticking out.
Perhaps I didn't bother connecting it... and placed the PC back on the table
for some reason...
But that seems somewhat odd to me...
So the lazy part can safely be forgotten... I was actually very carefull...
but not carefull enough...
I was more worried about damaging my harddisks and damaging my motherboard.
Which is kinda ironic... because in the end that's exactly what happened.
My nervousness and my carefullness eventually lead to the motherboard's
death.
I was afraid this would happen... there was nothing I could do to stop this
event from occuring...
I tried very hard to not let this happen... yet it still happened.
Bye,
Skybuck.
rickman
Nov 21, 2012, 4:42:29 PM11/21/12
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PCs, but others. I had to design a board using 2 mm spaced headers like
the ones that gave you trouble. I had no choice in the connector
because it had to mate with the customer's board which had the male
headers on it. Eight of my boards plugged into his board, side by side.
So if you plugged the first board in wrong, they would all be wrong
and likely fry the system. It is not too hard to get right, but
whenever I fill a carrier board with mine, I double and triple check the
alignment and also look for bent pins.
My test fixture holds just two daugherboards, but not side by side. I
made the mistake once and plugged a board in one position off. Guess
what, it fried the daughterboard and damaged the FPGA on the test
fixture! I have only been able to use one position ever since. I know
check it very carefully no matter how much of a hurry I am in or what is
going on. I don't apply power until I am *certain* the board is on
right. The test fixture costs more than a PC because it is a custom
design. I don't want to build any more.
Rick
addre...@invalid.invalid
Nov 21, 2012, 4:45:09 PM11/21/12
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Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:25:59 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>> Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
>
> Beating my head against the wall is something I enjoy doing because it
> feels so good when I stop.
>
>> I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
>> the average off the shelf PC.
>
> Ok, you have a computah related fetish. Overclocking, video rendering
> and speed for gaming, hardware decoding for pirated movies, no fans,
> liquid cooling, multiple monitor flight simulators, render farming,
> faster programming, etc. The list of non-mainstream applications
> grows every day. I guess if I had a fetish, it would be maximum
> uptime and reliability. My customers pay me for it. Oddly, I do
> better modifying packaged systems, than buy building something from
> scratch.
>
> In audio, such a fetish would label you an audiophile. In computing,
> you would perhaps be a computerfile.
))6
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:25:59 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>> Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
>
> Beating my head against the wall is something I enjoy doing because it
> feels so good when I stop.
>
>> I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
>> the average off the shelf PC.
>
> Ok, you have a computah related fetish. Overclocking, video rendering
> and speed for gaming, hardware decoding for pirated movies, no fans,
> liquid cooling, multiple monitor flight simulators, render farming,
> faster programming, etc. The list of non-mainstream applications
> grows every day. I guess if I had a fetish, it would be maximum
> uptime and reliability. My customers pay me for it. Oddly, I do
> better modifying packaged systems, than buy building something from
> scratch.
>
> In audio, such a fetish would label you an audiophile. In computing,
> you would perhaps be a computerfile.
My main system is Windows 7 Ultimate based comp, Intel DH61BE M/B with
i7-2600, 8GB DDR3. 120GB SSD for my system drive, Intel 8 port RAID
Controller with 4x2TB Enterprise drives (bringing this up to 6 once I move
into a rack based chassis after Christmas).
Software wise I use Serviio to serve my media to Smart TVs and other
devices around the house, highly recommend Serviio as it has lot of
different device profiles and it will transcode unrecognised formats to
allow them to be played by the device. I also use some download
applications which allow for automatic downloads of TV/Movies and music
rather than the usual torrent applications, it also uses SSL which is handy
these days. I use FileZilla FTP server to let me transfer shows to work to
watch at lunchtime.
I would like to move to Windows Server 2012 for this server as it will
allow me to strip out the GUI and management tools to free up resources.
Also I'm quite interested in Virtualisation which WS2012 allows for, I
tried VMware vSphere but I had troubles with hardware not being supported.
Given the price of this software a hookie copy will be my only option.
In work I stick to the rule that the less complicated the system the better
but at home I usually do the opposite!
***awaiting abuse about software piracy***
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 21, 2012, 8:55:30 PM11/21/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 10:39:44 -0800, John Larkin
<jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>>High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
>>idiot proof I'm not so sure.
>
>Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
>pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
>subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
>tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
>has its orientation mark on the bottom.
>
>Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
Just give SkyDuck a tube and watch him.
<jla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>>High warranty I certainly agree with you on but PC components being
>>idiot proof I'm not so sure.
>
>Idiot proof is clearly impossible, but I've always thought that IC
>pins should be physically asymmetric. Lately, all you get is some
>subtle part marking, lasered and only visible at certain angles, to
>tell which one of four orientations is correct. We buy one part that
>has its orientation mark on the bottom.
>
>Tubes couldn't be plugged in wrong, but ICs can.
>>
>>The problem is the average person hasn't got the experience or the
>>knowledge to be inside a PC chassis. If you want to maintain warranty
>>then you need to take ESD precautions, which most people won't know or
>>even care about. The only way for extended warranty is to keep people
>>out of the guts and ensure work is carried out by professionals.
>
>There's not much point in building your own PC, when you can get one
>all assembled and working, with warranty, cheap nowadays.
MrTallyman
Nov 22, 2012, 6:34:24 AM11/22/12
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Even a total fucking retard like you can't plug that in wrong.
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 6:40:14 AM11/22/12
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I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
FatBytestard
Nov 22, 2012, 7:08:07 AM11/22/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 06:01:52 +0100, "Skytard Futzing"
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In case you were wondering:
>
>This rant was caused by USB PORT/PLUG designers on motherboards.
>
>To make the point perfectly clear:
>
>Ask yourself one question if you think you actually have a brain with an iq
>higher than 50:
Many here definitely do. You did not make the list.
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In case you were wondering:
>
>This rant was caused by USB PORT/PLUG designers on motherboards.
>
>To make the point perfectly clear:
>
>Ask yourself one question if you think you actually have a brain with an iq
>higher than 50:
>
>In how many ways can usb plugs be connected to those stupid usb pins on the
>motherboard ?!
For most here, only one way. For you, well...
>In how many ways can usb plugs be connected to those stupid usb pins on the
>motherboard ?!
>Now imagine: being lazy, being dark, in a dark room, not wanting to
>disconnect everything and move the computer on to the table, but instead
>trying to plug in your just purchased usb device that goes into the pc ?!
never touch ANYTHING electronic. An idiot who doesn't know the first
thing about it, obviously.
>
>What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
For 99.999999% of folks here the chance is very near nil. For an idiot
>What would be the chance of wrongly connecting it ?!
like SkyTard Futing, it is almost a sure bet. Likely a result of the
"lazy" thing.
>Answer: quite high.
Again... only for you.
>Possible result: short circuit, via ground wire perhaps, especially for non
>grounded PCs ?!
your DC fuck up, child.
>Here is a real challenge for you:
HUGE challenge, obviously.
>Tell me what will happen if a USB plugs is placed 1 row of pins lower or in
>case the plastic-pin blocks it, 1 row HIGHER LOLOLOLOL ?!
epic. It is real easy.
1) Read hook up instruction
2) Hook up wires carefully and correctly
3)Check wiring attachment
I would say that you likely failed at two out of three of these
REQUIREMENTS.
>Those dumb fuckers actually believe that filling with little pin, in the
>plug actually prevents wrong placement ?! WRONGGG !!! FOKKING MORONS !
There is a "Must be done properly" RULE with PCs AND ALL other
electronic circuitry. Otherwise It is NOT a circuit.
A careless, incompetent dork like you should not do anything with
electronics, because you do not have the personal discipline to ALWAYS BE
SURE that you haven't fucked it up BEFORE you apply POWER to it.
YOU are a miserable failure, and NOTHING anyone has ever told you here
has sunk in.
So, it wasn't a rant, it was yet another balling baby session where we
have to endure you crying like the child you are, yet again because of
YOUR fuck ups, and your pathetic failures to learn from them.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 7:28:33 AM11/22/12
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Pete wrote:
>
> I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
> doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
MrTallyman
Nov 22, 2012, 7:55:52 AM11/22/12
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>There's not much point in building your own PC, when you can get one
>all assembled and working, with warranty, cheap nowadays.
>
That depends on the purpose for which you intend to use it.
>all assembled and working, with warranty, cheap nowadays.
>
For a self impotent dork like you, who only reads emails with them, a
simple netbook would be sufficient. So, not much point, as you say.
For most BASIC PC needs, that would work. HOWEVER, if you actually
want CPU intensive processes to take place faster, and you want a fast
video card set-up, you still assemble with hot, new mainstream parts, and
you do NOT go buy a cheap box with a year old OEM MOBO in it, and nothing
in the chipset or other MOBO design aspects to make it run better.
So there are still plenty of folks who put together their own, hot
running PCs, and there is still plenty of reason to do so. The main one
being TIME.
My current machine was built 8 years ago, but keeps up. Had I bought a
"cheap" $600 box back then, it would likely not even be Windows 7
capable, and would certainly not be able to play a modern game like the
one I did build still can, albeit barely so.
So, my current, new build is the final replacement for me in my late
years. I am up over $1000 and I haven't even bought the CPU, MOBO or RAM
yet.
I have 4 or 5 "cheap" PCs of the type you tout. They do video home
theater, etc., and I have a cheap, $400 laptop with an i3 on it. But
they cannot play modern games, and cannot do circuit sims or trace
routings anywhere near as fast as even my old box can. That says a lot.
It is like fast food burgers compared to artisan restaurant burgers.
Even with the same meat in them, there is a world of difference in
"performance" ('flavor' in this case).
But there is no "cheap" 'already done up" PC out there even now that can
compete with my 8 year old box. You have to spend the amount they want
for the higher end stuff, you were not talking about. For those dollars,
I CAN indeed build my own, better and cheaper. And my boxed Intel CPU
still has its THREE year warranty.
So I do not know what folks are pissing and moaning about. The
"warranty" that comes with those pre-builts isn't even as long, and your
failure will NOT be "due to a manufacturing defect" so you WILL pay for
the service after all anyway.
So for your lame emails an off the shelf POS will work. For those of
us who want a PC which actually gets CPU intensive processes done faster,
and operates smoother at all times, your "choice" is not one, and the
monetary differential is very much so worth it, as my time and comfort
are more important than saving a few hundred and buying a POS that simply
barely slogs along.
And it is not just a Windows thing either. The shit boxes run Linux
notably slower too.
I'll spend the few hundred extra, and slog along faster and more
comfortably, thanks.
Abbey Somebody
Nov 22, 2012, 8:51:27 AM11/22/12
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(and only) ITX form factor build.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?8jdiyc6kp5dzb#61u1pd28m4u7h7t
http://www.mediafire.com/#8jdiyc6kp5dzb
I already started my current full ATX build, so could only show it from
that point, but haven't taken any pictures or worked on it in months.
Good thing all the gear is not age consequential, like the case, PS and
optical disc reader, etc.
What fairly obscure requirements do you refer to? Like ECC RAM or
such?
You should take a look at the HP DL360 for the hottest off the shelf
item that MAY fill your obscure needs (me presuming what thy are). These
HP machines are NOT what he referred to though. They are very expensive.
MrTallyman
Nov 22, 2012, 9:06:36 AM11/22/12
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channel... for years now.
Paul
Nov 22, 2012, 9:17:47 AM11/22/12
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in the PCI Express x16 slot, leaving the x1 slot to the right
in the picture.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/939A790GMH(m).jpg
The USB2 headers, are the blue ones just above the Southbridge heatsink, here.
http://liveweb.archive.org/http://members.home.nl/hbthouppermans/DreamPCFourthBuild/Seasonic%20S12%20PowerCable%20to%20Short%20-%20ASRock%20Motherboard%20Micro-ATX%20Power%20Socket%20to%20far%20away.jpg
Paul
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 9:26:58 AM11/22/12
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FatBytestard
Nov 22, 2012, 9:29:39 AM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:17:47 -0500, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Pete wrote:
>>> I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
>>> doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>>
>>
>> Good idea, if you have an open PCI-E slot.
>
>This is the motherboard. A microATX. There's a video card
>in the PCI Express x16 slot, leaving the x1 slot to the right
>in the picture.
>
>http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/939A790GMH(m).jpg
>
>The USB2 headers, are the blue ones just above the Southbridge heatsink, here.
>
snip
>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Pete wrote:
>>> I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
>>> doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
>>>
>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>>
>>
>> Good idea, if you have an open PCI-E slot.
>
>This is the motherboard. A microATX. There's a video card
>in the PCI Express x16 slot, leaving the x1 slot to the right
>in the picture.
>
>http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/939A790GMH(m).jpg
>
>The USB2 headers, are the blue ones just above the Southbridge heatsink, here.
>
> Paul
For $39 you can get the RAIDMAX box and it comes WITH a 300 Watt
supply... oh wait... that's ITX...
You'll just have to buy a worthy supply.
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 9:32:00 AM11/22/12
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equipment and home equipment on the hardware side of things. At the
minute I am planning a migration to a Chenbro 2U rack chassis to allow
me to upgrade to a 6 drive RAID system (5 live and 1 hot-spare). I have
all of the hardware for the move, I am now looking into which rack
cabinet I want...leaning towards something like this to keep my wife's
objections to a minimum
http://www.dataroomsupplies.co.uk/user-downloads/resources/zpas-en012.pdf
I will likely go for the 10/12U variant on Pg. 46-47. I might replace
the wooden top with something pine to match in with the rest of the decor.
Software wise I mainly transcode video files around my house to
different devices around the house, FTPS server to transfer files to
work for lunchtime viewing mainly & various automated download
applications to keep me up to date with my TV, Movies & Music.
My latest desire is to move to a server OS and utilise virtualisation to
reduce the power consumption of my system (in terms of CPU & RAM
requirements). Initially I will run a virtual machine with W7 Ult on it
and simply transfer across my current system, then I can look into a
Linux based OS and gradually move the applications over to Linux which
will again reduce my power consumption.
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 9:45:56 AM11/22/12
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beat unless you can change you're MB to an ATX one or remove some
existing device
MrTallyman
Nov 22, 2012, 10:27:14 AM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:45:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>
>On 22/11/2012 14:26, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> Pete wrote:
>>>>> I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
>>>>> doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good idea, if you have an open PCI-E slot.
>>>
>>> This is the motherboard. A microATX. There's a video card
>>> in the PCI Express x16 slot, leaving the x1 slot to the right
>>> in the picture.
>>>
>>> http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/939A790GMH(m).jpg
>>>
>>> The USB2 headers, are the blue ones just above the Southbridge heatsink, here.
>>>
snipped long line
>
>
>On 22/11/2012 14:26, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>> Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> Pete wrote:
>>>>> I ordered and fitted this to my mum's PC a few weeks ago while I was
>>>>> doing some SW upgrades, cheap as chips and works.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110963418800?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good idea, if you have an open PCI-E slot.
>>>
>>> This is the motherboard. A microATX. There's a video card
>>> in the PCI Express x16 slot, leaving the x1 slot to the right
>>> in the picture.
>>>
>>> http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/939A790GMH(m).jpg
>>>
>>> The USB2 headers, are the blue ones just above the Southbridge heatsink, here.
>>>
>> Both are in use on my system, with a tuner & a video card.
>>
>
>so you have no PCI-e slot available? Thats unlucky, looks like you're
>beat unless you can change you're MB to an ATX one or remove some
>existing device
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 10:32:46 PM11/21/12
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"Pete" <pe...@noreply.net> wrote in message
news:50ae3762$0$7642$c3e8da3$f626...@news.astraweb.com...
cabinet...
One thing I wonder about is:
How does the cooling work ?
I haven't fully examined the PDF yet ?! ;) :)
I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my old
Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
But that's all I will say about it for now ;) some of those components in
short supply, so keeping my fingers crossed that the order will go through !
;) :) =D
If all goes well then tomorrow the new stuff will arrive...
Then I will first upgrade my PIII 450 mhz... to see if that will work...
should be nice to breath some new life into this machine... the processor
will be slow... but at least the rattling will be reduced to an absolute
minimum... hopefully the system won't die on me any time soon ! ;) :) This
is my backup computer... I am actually enjoying it quite nicely...
It's amazing to see how it can actually power a 1920x1200 monitor via vga
without any problems... I can't even notice the difference with hdmi...
which is amazing... almost makes me wonder why hdmi was ever invented...
probably for sound or so...
I shall make some nice pictures of my soon to be systems... I put the PIII
450 mhz in the chieftec case where my previous DreamPC was in... it's really
cool.
And it's quite nice having a lownoise system... I really missed sitting
behind my PIII 450 mhz and Windows XP Pro ;) :) The lowness is reaaaaallly
cool. And it feels reliable... though sometimes during boot the processor
might do weird things and go to bios 66 mhz or so... but so far so good ;)
(Probably some kind of surge related or so... not sure).
The quantum fireball does feel somewhat slow but so far so good... I wish I
could run linux mint on it to check for bad sectors... but it don't support
this old pentium III... I can probably find another tool to check for bad
sectors... maybe there are none who knows ;)... glad I didn't kill it ;)
like I did the other old drive... I regret that a bit, but kicking it was
kinda fun anyway lol.
Am I crazy to upgrade this old machine ? I don't know... but the rattling
was pissing me off a bit... 256 MB ram just not enough... for just 100+
bucks I can have 2 GB ram for it... seems like a pretty good deal to me. I
am just hoping it will fit... the picture didn't seem like it... I am just
hoping that picture was wrong... 168 pins sdram should have 2 holes/cuts
right ? hmmm...
Bye,
Skybuck.
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 10:43:07 AM11/22/12
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also the wooden top can be packed up by 19mm to allow for convectional
cooling.
If you want a low noise system then have a look into Atom based boards,
I use an Intel D2700DC in a media player I built for the bedroom.
Managed to get the MB, PSU and HDD inside a white Sky plus box :)
I wouldnt spend money on an old machine, I always upgrade after 2-3
years then the hardware all filters down to other locations. Much like
TV's used to filter down through the family as new ones were bought.
Pete
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 10:49:25 PM11/21/12
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Buying a whole sale PC at some local shop or webshop would simply not be an
option for me.
I have very sentitive data on my PC and I dont want anybody to take a look
at it.
So sending a broken PC back to the store is simply not an option and might
lead to even more damage to critical parts like HD's...
And I doubt taking those out would go well with those shops.
Another reason for building my own is so that I know how it works and can
upgrade it when necessary like now... and fix it... like now...
Unfortunately it does come with problems/mistakes/damages/etc.
In the past I did buy PC's from local stores... and the mostly the case
sucked bad... and led problems.. wobbly cheap aluminium cases... not saying
that aluminum is bad persee... but those cases just bad layouts...
By building my own I get to chery pick good/handy components.
I am still in doubt how I will fix my DreamPC... (I ordered 2 motherboards).
I have a couple of options:
1. Go back to SLI with two 7900 GTX graphics cards for good direct 9.0
gaming/windows/graphics. Though I dont enjoy games as much anymore... so not
that important.
2. Combine one 7900 GTX card with a GT 520 direct 11 card so I can do cuda
programming... I am interested in cuda programming... not sure if this setup
will work and if it's wise... the 7900 GTX might still get hot..
3. I will probably go with the GT 520 inside of it... and leave the 7900
GTX's out of it... I will keep those cards for the far future...
When I buy a new PC in the far future... which would be/might have better
cuda support... I could then take out the cuda card from the old
computer/dream pc and replace it with the two 7900 gtx cards so the old
computer can still be a good gaming system... or perhaps graphics system for
something special or so... however if it would die that would still be a
shame... However if I put graphics cards in it then... I might not know how
it performs because I didnt test it expensively...
All I know is I don't want to loose my current system... the motherboards I
ordered seem really nice... and have lots of backwards compatibility with
older systems and hardware which is really nice. These are supposed to be
good stable quality motherboards. It's even an sli motherboard ;) :)
Me looking forward to bringing my DreamPC back online which will probably be
tomorrow or the day after that...
Hopefully this will be my last upgrade to this PC so it's ready for my Canon
PowerShot SX 50 HS....
I hope to never have to touch the insides ever again... and I will probably
keep the additional motherboard as a backup in case anything ever goes wrong
again... these motherboards are very hard to find lately... so I should keep
it as backup and not do any more experimenting...
I am done with experimenting for now... My DreamPC must last until 2016...
at least that was the plan... so it lasted 10 years since I bought it ;)
Next time my budget should be half of what I spent on the DreamPC so I can
upgrade sooner... my budget is probably 2.500 euro for a PC which should
last 5 years... maybe a little bit more 3.000 euro but that's it ! ;) We =
me+dad used to spent 6000 dutch gulders on a PC... so nowadays that's
roughly 3000 euros... so I think that's fair.
Me looking forward to all the new instructions added to new processors...
intel x86/x64 and arm too.
Don't know yet what my next processor will be... probably an intel... since
this dreampc turned out to be a nightmare... maybe amd has something to do
with that... me not sure... so maybe next PC I will go back to intel
components as much as possible... though my older systems didn't necessarily
use intel components but other brands and they also still work...
Maybe an arm processor in future/2016... who knows ;)
Kinda funny to think about it ;) :)
Though I have noticed the AMD X2 3800+ dual core processor does start to lag
a tiny little bit with web browsing... but not too bad. Could also be GT 520
related... could be interesting to replace with older 7900 GTX which is much
faster to see if the gt 520 caused the slowdown...
Also the ordered motherboards have integrated graphics which is also nice
for cuda development... so it seems like a really sweet deal for me ! ;)
But I am not telling yet where I ordered it, or what I ordered... cause I
dont want other people to snatch it away from me ! ;) :)
Hopefully by the time people read this mail it will be to late to try and
snatch it away ! lol ;) :)
So tomorrow or the day I get my stuff... I will reveal what I bought ! ;) :)
I saw those motherboards back in 2006 or so... or 2009 or something... I
think I wrote postings about it... will be most amuzing to try and find my
postings and reads those back what I thought about it back then ! ;) :) =D
Bye,
Skybuck.
option for me.
I have very sentitive data on my PC and I dont want anybody to take a look
at it.
So sending a broken PC back to the store is simply not an option and might
lead to even more damage to critical parts like HD's...
And I doubt taking those out would go well with those shops.
Another reason for building my own is so that I know how it works and can
upgrade it when necessary like now... and fix it... like now...
Unfortunately it does come with problems/mistakes/damages/etc.
In the past I did buy PC's from local stores... and the mostly the case
sucked bad... and led problems.. wobbly cheap aluminium cases... not saying
that aluminum is bad persee... but those cases just bad layouts...
By building my own I get to chery pick good/handy components.
I am still in doubt how I will fix my DreamPC... (I ordered 2 motherboards).
I have a couple of options:
1. Go back to SLI with two 7900 GTX graphics cards for good direct 9.0
gaming/windows/graphics. Though I dont enjoy games as much anymore... so not
that important.
2. Combine one 7900 GTX card with a GT 520 direct 11 card so I can do cuda
programming... I am interested in cuda programming... not sure if this setup
will work and if it's wise... the 7900 GTX might still get hot..
3. I will probably go with the GT 520 inside of it... and leave the 7900
GTX's out of it... I will keep those cards for the far future...
When I buy a new PC in the far future... which would be/might have better
cuda support... I could then take out the cuda card from the old
computer/dream pc and replace it with the two 7900 gtx cards so the old
computer can still be a good gaming system... or perhaps graphics system for
something special or so... however if it would die that would still be a
shame... However if I put graphics cards in it then... I might not know how
it performs because I didnt test it expensively...
All I know is I don't want to loose my current system... the motherboards I
ordered seem really nice... and have lots of backwards compatibility with
older systems and hardware which is really nice. These are supposed to be
good stable quality motherboards. It's even an sli motherboard ;) :)
Me looking forward to bringing my DreamPC back online which will probably be
tomorrow or the day after that...
Hopefully this will be my last upgrade to this PC so it's ready for my Canon
PowerShot SX 50 HS....
I hope to never have to touch the insides ever again... and I will probably
keep the additional motherboard as a backup in case anything ever goes wrong
again... these motherboards are very hard to find lately... so I should keep
it as backup and not do any more experimenting...
I am done with experimenting for now... My DreamPC must last until 2016...
at least that was the plan... so it lasted 10 years since I bought it ;)
Next time my budget should be half of what I spent on the DreamPC so I can
upgrade sooner... my budget is probably 2.500 euro for a PC which should
last 5 years... maybe a little bit more 3.000 euro but that's it ! ;) We =
me+dad used to spent 6000 dutch gulders on a PC... so nowadays that's
roughly 3000 euros... so I think that's fair.
Me looking forward to all the new instructions added to new processors...
intel x86/x64 and arm too.
Don't know yet what my next processor will be... probably an intel... since
this dreampc turned out to be a nightmare... maybe amd has something to do
with that... me not sure... so maybe next PC I will go back to intel
components as much as possible... though my older systems didn't necessarily
use intel components but other brands and they also still work...
Maybe an arm processor in future/2016... who knows ;)
Kinda funny to think about it ;) :)
Though I have noticed the AMD X2 3800+ dual core processor does start to lag
a tiny little bit with web browsing... but not too bad. Could also be GT 520
related... could be interesting to replace with older 7900 GTX which is much
faster to see if the gt 520 caused the slowdown...
Also the ordered motherboards have integrated graphics which is also nice
for cuda development... so it seems like a really sweet deal for me ! ;)
But I am not telling yet where I ordered it, or what I ordered... cause I
dont want other people to snatch it away from me ! ;) :)
Hopefully by the time people read this mail it will be to late to try and
snatch it away ! lol ;) :)
So tomorrow or the day I get my stuff... I will reveal what I bought ! ;) :)
I saw those motherboards back in 2006 or so... or 2009 or something... I
think I wrote postings about it... will be most amuzing to try and find my
postings and reads those back what I thought about it back then ! ;) :) =D
Bye,
Skybuck.
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 11:14:25 PM11/21/12
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Thanks for explaining how it vents.... I might look into something like
that... but how many racks do you plan on putting in there ? and how much
watt will it suck from the wall ? and how do you cope with 1800 watt limits
or so ? Or you haven't figured that out yet ? ;) :)
Would be nice to have 10.000 watts of power or so ;) :) but expensive ? ;)
:)
Anyway.. I already looked at those atoms... and integrated onto a
motherboard... very tempting to buy one of those... but it doesn't come with
memory... so would have to buy that... and then it gets somewhat
expensive...
Also perhaps it's somewhat to limited, perhaps to few satas or perhaps vga
only, or perhaps integrated graphics too limited...
I am a software programmer and I like CUDA... so an integrated motherboard
with CUDA would be cool. That would make it much more interesting for me.
Also I like keeping old systems alive so I can test how my or other software
behaves on old systems...
Virtual Machines simply don't cut that mosterd... because they don't do full
emulation... there is always something missing... or bugs/etc.
So nothing beats real hardware LOL ;) :)
Ofcourse nowadays everybody goes along with the trend towards new
software... windows 7/windows8 and backwards compatibility doesn't seem like
a big deal... but I for one am glad that my old hardware still functions...
it's kinda cool....
If ever a disaster happens which whipes out newer hardware... and doesnt
affect old hardware... then I am good to go ! LOL ;) :)
My appartment is getting a bit full with boxes... and hardware though...
especially boxes... I keep those around just in case for warranty issues...
or perhaps selling in future... or perhaps in 50 years they might be worth a
lot... if I still live then ;)
Perhaps people will start collecting those things... just like baseball
cards... who knows ;) All I know is I kinda like it ;) :)
A bit crazy perhaps... but not reallllly. Oh well. I will probably stack up
those boxes until it hits the roof ! ;) :)
Also only 2gb for the atom seems somewhat limited... it won't be future
proof/ready...
For future anything less than 2 GB would make me a bit nervous... 2GB ok for
now me thinks... but for the years ahead... 4 GB probably better ;)
Though maybe 2 GB might still cut the mosterd... perhaps there are 4 GB
chips which can go into those two slots...
That passively cooled CPU does look sweet though... makes my mouth water !
:)
Perhaps such a thing should be mounted on a full blown motherboard... that
I'll be cool and turn some heads ! ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
that... but how many racks do you plan on putting in there ? and how much
watt will it suck from the wall ? and how do you cope with 1800 watt limits
or so ? Or you haven't figured that out yet ? ;) :)
Would be nice to have 10.000 watts of power or so ;) :) but expensive ? ;)
:)
Anyway.. I already looked at those atoms... and integrated onto a
motherboard... very tempting to buy one of those... but it doesn't come with
memory... so would have to buy that... and then it gets somewhat
expensive...
Also perhaps it's somewhat to limited, perhaps to few satas or perhaps vga
only, or perhaps integrated graphics too limited...
I am a software programmer and I like CUDA... so an integrated motherboard
with CUDA would be cool. That would make it much more interesting for me.
Also I like keeping old systems alive so I can test how my or other software
behaves on old systems...
Virtual Machines simply don't cut that mosterd... because they don't do full
emulation... there is always something missing... or bugs/etc.
So nothing beats real hardware LOL ;) :)
Ofcourse nowadays everybody goes along with the trend towards new
software... windows 7/windows8 and backwards compatibility doesn't seem like
a big deal... but I for one am glad that my old hardware still functions...
it's kinda cool....
If ever a disaster happens which whipes out newer hardware... and doesnt
affect old hardware... then I am good to go ! LOL ;) :)
My appartment is getting a bit full with boxes... and hardware though...
especially boxes... I keep those around just in case for warranty issues...
or perhaps selling in future... or perhaps in 50 years they might be worth a
lot... if I still live then ;)
Perhaps people will start collecting those things... just like baseball
cards... who knows ;) All I know is I kinda like it ;) :)
A bit crazy perhaps... but not reallllly. Oh well. I will probably stack up
those boxes until it hits the roof ! ;) :)
Also only 2gb for the atom seems somewhat limited... it won't be future
proof/ready...
For future anything less than 2 GB would make me a bit nervous... 2GB ok for
now me thinks... but for the years ahead... 4 GB probably better ;)
Though maybe 2 GB might still cut the mosterd... perhaps there are 4 GB
chips which can go into those two slots...
That passively cooled CPU does look sweet though... makes my mouth water !
:)
Perhaps such a thing should be mounted on a full blown motherboard... that
I'll be cool and turn some heads ! ;)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 11:34:32 AM11/22/12
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client machine below it for config of the server assuming the server is
headless.
Ill also be putting in a Gig-E rackmount switch which will be used to
pass my network through all the rooms upstairs (I have another Gig-E
switch below my router to manage downstairs). I want to fill the rack as
much as possible, if only to justify it existance to myself LOL
I use my Atom PC to stream video, it has W7 Ult on it with XBMC over the
top and it can play HD video without issue. I also have a Raspberry-Pi
which can process 720p video but I keep it in work for lunchtime
tinkering if I feel the need.
Skybuck Flying
Nov 21, 2012, 11:53:06 PM11/21/12
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So the big thing/rack ? is only for special rack equipment ? or can it house
anything ? I am guessing just special rack equipment ?
I also guess you are acquinted to racks because of your work ? ;)
My Canon PowerShot SX 50 HS digital camera can record 1920x1200 for about 30
minutes... then it must press the record button again... I will probably
upload a hack kit to remove that limitation.
I am very interested in 1920x1200 video... and beyond... just because of the
technical challenges of it.
Also for ufo spotting/recording purposes LOL...
I am also interested in lossless video....
Full HD I am not sure what that means... there is also HD... usually
indicated by 720p and such...
720p is nice for youtube and smooth play... the GT 520 can do 720p... but it
does stutter a bit at 1080p... not sure why... maybe it's even the cpu...
though adobe flash player does claim to have hardware acceleration... I
don't know exactly what kind... but they probably mean gpu acceleration...
perhaps it said gpu acceleration I don't know...
I think I once watched predator movie in blueray format... so I think the
system can actually do blueray ok... that was quite a cool experience...
So if I really want to watch 1080p youtube videos smoothly then one possible
solution could be to download it with a youtube downloader and watch it with
a native player.
Though it would be very nice to watch youtube videos at 1080p smoothly all
the time... I estimate the gt520 and/or amd x2 3800+ achieves about 15 fps
via adobe flash player... maybe 20 fps.. but it's a bit too slow for my
taste... I notice it at least ;)
It would be kinda funny/amazing and stupid at the same time if an atom or
tablet would achieve the same playback speed as my DreamPC lol ;) :)
At least with my DreamPC I might upgrade it in the future to do better video
;) but for now I am content with what it can do ;)
As long as websurfing goes somewhat smooth I'll be happy... hopefully web
developers don't read this otherwise they might start slowing it down even
more ! ;) :) Bah ! :) I hope no "Web-Conspiracy" is going on ! ;)
For now I think the outlook is fine, for my dreampc as well at atoms
probably... so no real reason to buy a new PC for me just yet ;) except
maybe using new instructions... but I can do that in the future... no rush !
;) :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
news:50ae5418$0$7633$c3e8da3$f626...@news.astraweb.com...
anything ? I am guessing just special rack equipment ?
I also guess you are acquinted to racks because of your work ? ;)
My Canon PowerShot SX 50 HS digital camera can record 1920x1200 for about 30
minutes... then it must press the record button again... I will probably
upload a hack kit to remove that limitation.
I am very interested in 1920x1200 video... and beyond... just because of the
technical challenges of it.
Also for ufo spotting/recording purposes LOL...
I am also interested in lossless video....
Full HD I am not sure what that means... there is also HD... usually
indicated by 720p and such...
720p is nice for youtube and smooth play... the GT 520 can do 720p... but it
does stutter a bit at 1080p... not sure why... maybe it's even the cpu...
though adobe flash player does claim to have hardware acceleration... I
don't know exactly what kind... but they probably mean gpu acceleration...
perhaps it said gpu acceleration I don't know...
I think I once watched predator movie in blueray format... so I think the
system can actually do blueray ok... that was quite a cool experience...
So if I really want to watch 1080p youtube videos smoothly then one possible
solution could be to download it with a youtube downloader and watch it with
a native player.
Though it would be very nice to watch youtube videos at 1080p smoothly all
the time... I estimate the gt520 and/or amd x2 3800+ achieves about 15 fps
via adobe flash player... maybe 20 fps.. but it's a bit too slow for my
taste... I notice it at least ;)
It would be kinda funny/amazing and stupid at the same time if an atom or
tablet would achieve the same playback speed as my DreamPC lol ;) :)
At least with my DreamPC I might upgrade it in the future to do better video
;) but for now I am content with what it can do ;)
As long as websurfing goes somewhat smooth I'll be happy... hopefully web
developers don't read this otherwise they might start slowing it down even
more ! ;) :) Bah ! :) I hope no "Web-Conspiracy" is going on ! ;)
For now I think the outlook is fine, for my dreampc as well at atoms
probably... so no real reason to buy a new PC for me just yet ;) except
maybe using new instructions... but I can do that in the future... no rush !
;) :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
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Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 12:18:25 PM11/22/12
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That rack is a standard 600x600 19" rack (the 600x600 is the OD, the 19"
is the dist between the rails. I use full height racks in work as I'm
the person you software guys try to blame everything on...Hardware
Engineer. I a Mech Design Eng so most of my day is spec using CAD
Full HD to me means 1080p @ 25/30ips, I haven't got the Atom PC to play
it. 720p is as high as it will go with W7 onboard. Perhaps a lighter OS
could do it, Intel state it is capable of 1080p playback.
I'm fortunate to have fibre in my area at a reasonable cost so my line
is currently 70down and 20up. I would gladly swap those figures around
as my download speed are generally used between 4-6am, its the upload I
would use most during the day.
I setup a VPN at the start of the week to allow me to share my iTunes
library with my work PC so I can stream music from home and save using
my phone battery
Pete
is the dist between the rails. I use full height racks in work as I'm
the person you software guys try to blame everything on...Hardware
Engineer. I a Mech Design Eng so most of my day is spec using CAD
Full HD to me means 1080p @ 25/30ips, I haven't got the Atom PC to play
it. 720p is as high as it will go with W7 onboard. Perhaps a lighter OS
could do it, Intel state it is capable of 1080p playback.
I'm fortunate to have fibre in my area at a reasonable cost so my line
is currently 70down and 20up. I would gladly swap those figures around
as my download speed are generally used between 4-6am, its the upload I
would use most during the day.
I setup a VPN at the start of the week to allow me to share my iTunes
library with my work PC so I can stream music from home and save using
my phone battery
Pete
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 1:03:11 PM11/22/12
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Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 1:08:53 PM11/22/12
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Pete wrote:
>
> It has venting at the bottom and a hole pattern to suit a 120mm fan,
> also the wooden top can be packed up by 19mm to allow for convectional
> cooling.
>
> If you want a low noise system then have a look into Atom based boards,
> I use an Intel D2700DC in a media player I built for the bedroom.
> Managed to get the MB, PSU and HDD inside a white Sky plus box :)
>
> I wouldnt spend money on an old machine, I always upgrade after 2-3
> years then the hardware all filters down to other locations. Much like
> TV's used to filter down through the family as new ones were bought.
hundreds of used TVs. I still have my parent's first color TV. One of
the first Motorola Quasar sets from the mid '60s.
The same goes for computers. I've had six new computers, from the
early '80s, and over 300 used computers. I bought my last new computer
12 years ago. I now build them from used systems & a few new parts.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 1:13:37 PM11/22/12
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Pete wrote:
>
> I will likely have my server in it switched on 24/7 and a lower spec
> client machine below it for config of the server assuming the server is
> headless.
>
> Ill also be putting in a Gig-E rackmount switch which will be used to
> pass my network through all the rooms upstairs (I have another Gig-E
> switch below my router to manage downstairs). I want to fill the rack as
> much as possible, if only to justify it existance to myself LOL
>
> I use my Atom PC to stream video, it has W7 Ult on it with XBMC over the
> top and it can play HD video without issue. I also have a Raspberry-Pi
> which can process 720p video but I keep it in work for lunchtime
> tinkering if I feel the need.
It's sitting at a local business, and I have to move some of the network
wiring for them to remove it from their vinyl cutting & sewing room.
They make the fancy alluminum framed canopies for art shows.
<http://www.neweggbusiness.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816504008&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleBiz&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleBiz-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA&gclid=CI61yISW47MCFQWonQodwDoArA>
It will be perfect for the three used Dell rackmount servers & four
Cisco switches I have.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 1:50:09 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:08:53 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Pete wrote:
>>
>> It has venting at the bottom and a hole pattern to suit a 120mm fan,
>> also the wooden top can be packed up by 19mm to allow for convectional
>> cooling.
>>
>> If you want a low noise system then have a look into Atom based boards,
>> I use an Intel D2700DC in a media player I built for the bedroom.
>> Managed to get the MB, PSU and HDD inside a white Sky plus box :)
>>
>> I wouldnt spend money on an old machine, I always upgrade after 2-3
>> years then the hardware all filters down to other locations. Much like
>> TV's used to filter down through the family as new ones were bought.
>
>
> You buy new TVs?
Sure.
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>Pete wrote:
>>
>> It has venting at the bottom and a hole pattern to suit a 120mm fan,
>> also the wooden top can be packed up by 19mm to allow for convectional
>> cooling.
>>
>> If you want a low noise system then have a look into Atom based boards,
>> I use an Intel D2700DC in a media player I built for the bedroom.
>> Managed to get the MB, PSU and HDD inside a white Sky plus box :)
>>
>> I wouldnt spend money on an old machine, I always upgrade after 2-3
>> years then the hardware all filters down to other locations. Much like
>> TV's used to filter down through the family as new ones were bought.
>
>
> You buy new TVs?
>I've had three new TVs in the last 60 years, and
>hundreds of used TVs. I still have my parent's first color TV. One of
>the first Motorola Quasar sets from the mid '60s.
>
> The same goes for computers. I've had six new computers, from the
>early '80s, and over 300 used computers. I bought my last new computer
>12 years ago. I now build them from used systems & a few new parts.
Sure. Just ordered a new one to replace my dead Thinkpad T61. It's
> The same goes for computers. I've had six new computers, from the
>early '80s, and over 300 used computers. I bought my last new computer
>12 years ago. I now build them from used systems & a few new parts.
overheating and I think the display controller (or perhaps display
memory) went west. No interest in repairing it (I replaced the fan
assembly with one out of my wife's old T60, without good results).
Pete
Nov 22, 2012, 2:20:43 PM11/22/12
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ATM, will take a full power i3-2100 on a laptop variety i5/7. I think
the code is DH61AG...it is!
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dh61ag.html
Also has mini-PCIe connectivity so you can have an SSD onboard the MB
and also WiFi/tuner module :) They also offer alternatives which have a
DC powerjack so no need to squeeze a PSU inside :)
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 5:19:07 PM11/22/12
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fits. I have several of these computers.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 5:22:39 PM11/22/12
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k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:08:53 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Pete wrote:
> >>
> >> It has venting at the bottom and a hole pattern to suit a 120mm fan,
> >> also the wooden top can be packed up by 19mm to allow for convectional
> >> cooling.
> >>
> >> If you want a low noise system then have a look into Atom based boards,
> >> I use an Intel D2700DC in a media player I built for the bedroom.
> >> Managed to get the MB, PSU and HDD inside a white Sky plus box :)
> >>
> >> I wouldnt spend money on an old machine, I always upgrade after 2-3
> >> years then the hardware all filters down to other locations. Much like
> >> TV's used to filter down through the family as new ones were bought.
> >
> >
> > You buy new TVs?
>
> Sure.
>
> >I've had three new TVs in the last 60 years, and
> >hundreds of used TVs. I still have my parent's first color TV. One of
> >the first Motorola Quasar sets from the mid '60s.
>
> Someone has to keep you in junk. ;-)
years.
> > The same goes for computers. I've had six new computers, from the
> >early '80s, and over 300 used computers. I bought my last new computer
> >12 years ago. I now build them from used systems & a few new parts.
>
> Sure. Just ordered a new one to replace my dead Thinkpad T61. It's
> overheating and I think the display controller (or perhaps display
> memory) went west. No interest in repairing it (I replaced the fan
> assembly with one out of my wife's old T60, without good results).
I have a couple laptops to fix, right now. One Dell & one Gateway.
The Dell has a broken power connector, the Gateway has bad CMOS battery
& a couple dying CCFLs.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 5:54:34 PM11/22/12
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been bigger than 250x500. Seems it's the new thing for X86 embedded
appliances, though it is really a complete PC.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 5:57:00 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:22:39 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 6:44:24 PM11/22/12
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k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>
> I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
> the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
> Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
storage pouches I bought to recover data from old laptops. I lucked out
on Ebay and got over a dozen for the price of what I paid retail for
two, a year earlier.
TheQuickBrownFox
Nov 22, 2012, 7:10:13 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:57:00 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
You should already be getting one. A 2.0 back compatible USB 3.0 2.5"
>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
form factor drive enclosure.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 7:19:46 PM11/22/12
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have an ultrabay adapter, somewhere, but I'm not sure if the base for
the new laptop has an ultrabay (or if it's compatible). The new
laptop (X230T) doesn't allow an optical drive so it obviously doesn't.
Decoding the Lenovo site is way too complicated for such details.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 7:35:15 PM11/22/12
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Well, maybe I do but I'd have to disassemble my external drives and I
think they're 3.5" anyway.
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 22, 2012, 7:40:57 PM11/22/12
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k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:44:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >k...@att.bizzz wrote:
> >>
> >> I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
> >> the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
> >> Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
> >
> >
> > IDE or SATA? I have a dozen new MadDog 2.5" IDE housings, cables &
> >storage pouches I bought to recover data from old laptops. I lucked out
> >on Ebay and got over a dozen for the price of what I paid retail for
> >two, a year earlier.
>
> T61s (and T60s, I believe) are all SATA. I don't need a dozen. ;-)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200767153625 will do 3.5", or 2.5" IDE or SATA
drives.
TheQuickBrownFox
Nov 22, 2012, 10:50:26 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:35:15 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:10:13 -0800, TheQuickBrownFox
><thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:57:00 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>>>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>>>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
>>
>>
>> You should already be getting one. A 2.0 back compatible USB 3.0 2.5"
>>form factor drive enclosure.
>
>Why should I be getting one?
It helps when migrating data from an old or dead laptop to a new one.
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:10:13 -0800, TheQuickBrownFox
><thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:57:00 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>>>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>>>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
>>
>>
>> You should already be getting one. A 2.0 back compatible USB 3.0 2.5"
>>form factor drive enclosure.
>
>Why should I be getting one?
> I didn't order it and I don't have one.
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 11:54:42 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:40:57 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
Thanks. I'll keep you in mind if I can't figure out a better way to
move my data (programs are the real PITA).
move my data (programs are the real PITA).
k...@att.bizzz
Nov 22, 2012, 11:57:16 PM11/22/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:50:26 -0800, TheQuickBrownFox
an Ultrabay adapter somewhere around here. The more important
question is if it'll fit the new computer (base).
>> I didn't order it and I don't have one.
>
> It was a common sense 'suggestion'.
Once it's read in that light...
<thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:35:15 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:10:13 -0800, TheQuickBrownFox
>><thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:57:00 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>>>>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>>>>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should already be getting one. A 2.0 back compatible USB 3.0 2.5"
>>>form factor drive enclosure.
>>
>>Why should I be getting one?
>
> It helps when migrating data from an old or dead laptop to a new one.
Ah, I *should* be buying one, but I'm not. Yet. Like I said, I have
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:35:15 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:10:13 -0800, TheQuickBrownFox
>><thequick...@overthelazydog.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:57:00 -0500, k...@att.bizzz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I just hope I can run the T61p long enough to get stuff off of when
>>>>the new one comes. If it's cold enough in the room maybe it'll work.
>>>>Otherwise I'll have to get an external USB drive bay, or some such.
>>>
>>>
>>> You should already be getting one. A 2.0 back compatible USB 3.0 2.5"
>>>form factor drive enclosure.
>>
>>Why should I be getting one?
>
> It helps when migrating data from an old or dead laptop to a new one.
an Ultrabay adapter somewhere around here. The more important
question is if it'll fit the new computer (base).
>> I didn't order it and I don't have one.
>
> It was a common sense 'suggestion'.
Pete
Nov 23, 2012, 3:06:56 AM11/23/12
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http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html
4" square with an i3....AWESOME!!
David
Nov 23, 2012, 8:12:19 AM11/23/12
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:25:59 +0000, Pete wrote:
> Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
> I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
> the average off the shelf PC.
Pete, obviously you haven't been reading this group. Skyfart is a well
> Building my own gear isn't just about cost, its something I enjoy doing.
> I also have some fairly obscure requirements which aren't catered for in
> the average off the shelf PC.
known troll here. He has fried more computers than most people have ever
owned.
Pete
Nov 23, 2012, 9:11:18 AM11/23/12
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rantings and ideas amusing/interesting. I tend to not take anything on
the internet to seriously as 5% is useful information, 10% is generally
non-sense, 20% is people starting arguments and the rest is porn!
Abbey Somebody
Nov 23, 2012, 12:04:29 PM11/23/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:32:46 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my old
>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
Must have been back before you started tossing machines (read "building")
How many PCs have you fried in the last 4 years? How many Mobos?
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my old
>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
Must have been back before you started tossing machines (read "building")
How many PCs have you fried in the last 4 years? How many Mobos?
IAmTheSlime
Nov 23, 2012, 1:46:56 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:06:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>We are hopefully getting some sample of these in shortly from Intel:
>
>http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html
>
>4" square with an i3....AWESOME!!
Exactly ZERO offerings with USB 3.0. IOW, it is an old design.
>We are hopefully getting some sample of these in shortly from Intel:
>
>http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html
>
>4" square with an i3....AWESOME!!
They need to follow that form factor, but get with the new busses from
Detroit...
Paul
Nov 23, 2012, 3:07:44 PM11/23/12
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USB3. Thunderbolt is the reason Intel waited so long to offer
native USB3 on a chipset. So if you want it, there is a model
with a high speed I/O option.
Paul
Pete
Nov 23, 2012, 3:56:22 PM11/23/12
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that size that is actually affordable.
We all know they could make these things insanely small but they would
be too expensive or impractical to manufacture...much like large screen
OLE TV's
Capt. Cave Man
Nov 23, 2012, 5:29:18 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 20:56:22 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>
>
>On 23/11/2012 20:07, Paul wrote:
>> IAmTheSlime wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:06:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We are hopefully getting some sample of these in shortly from Intel:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4" square with an i3....AWESOME!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly ZERO offerings with USB 3.0. IOW, it is an old design.
>>>
>>> They need to follow that form factor, but get with the new busses from
>>> Detroit...
>>
>> The DC3217BY is equipped with Thunderbolt, Intel's competitor for
>> USB3. Thunderbolt is the reason Intel waited so long to offer
>> native USB3 on a chipset. So if you want it, there is a model
>> with a high speed I/O option.
>>
>> Paul
>
>Has to be said that the spec of it is extremely impressive for something
>that size that is actually affordable.
As to that port, it would require that both the consumer products
>
>
>On 23/11/2012 20:07, Paul wrote:
>> IAmTheSlime wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:06:56 +0000, Pete <pe...@noreply.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We are hopefully getting some sample of these in shortly from Intel:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/next-unit-computing-introduction.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4" square with an i3....AWESOME!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly ZERO offerings with USB 3.0. IOW, it is an old design.
>>>
>>> They need to follow that form factor, but get with the new busses from
>>> Detroit...
>>
>> The DC3217BY is equipped with Thunderbolt, Intel's competitor for
>> USB3. Thunderbolt is the reason Intel waited so long to offer
>> native USB3 on a chipset. So if you want it, there is a model
>> with a high speed I/O option.
>>
>> Paul
>
>Has to be said that the spec of it is extremely impressive for something
>that size that is actually affordable.
industry and the consumers embrace yet another hardware level interface
change. At least an old USB device will still plug into the new ports
and work. I do not think that its performance numbers will necessarily
yield a favorable acceptance by the world. HD DVD still looks awesome,
but it got shit upon all over.
I think we should head toward fiber links. That would be too simple.
Oh... you CAN do this, but the ports are $1000 each and the cables are
hundreds each. Fiber connected hard drives are very expensive as well,
let alone their controllers.
Fiber may still be a ways off for us at the household level. They are
still stringing us along with wired and wireless 'solutions'. Mainly
because there is a lot of money to be made from businesses from the
higher end connectivity solutions.
But back to homebuilts and mini form factor PCs, etc.
My $300 (sans RAM U/G) Acer Aspire is only 8" square x 1.5' and has
like 11 USB ports. The newer one have 3.0. They use intel's Atom
series. One is an Nvidia, and the newer one is also an Atom but an Intel
graphics chip. They both do home theater fine from a USB 2.0 connected
BD disc too. My ITX homebuilt has a full length PCIe x16 slot, so I
could presumably put a hotter vid card in it. Haven't looked in a while
though.
>
>We all know they could make these things insanely small but they would
>be too expensive or impractical to manufacture...much like large screen
>OLE TV's
reproduction fades,so recalibrations are needed and 'full wear out' is an
expected terminal certainty.
I like the way IBM did their original OLED years ago (it was for the
PC) 11 million pixels at 4:3 so whatever array size that makes for.
But they fiber optically "hand wired" each pixel down to a pair of
chips, IIRC.
If a "screen" was hand wired with fiber for each pixel, the driver chip
could always get swapped out when failures happen. They would need an
optical interface "clamp" similar to the hundreds of pin socket clamps
for modern CPUs to mate the fiber bundle with the chip.
Seems this would be the right way to produce larger form factor
screens.
At least until the next pixellation shift occurs. 1080 is gonna be
around for a while. Gotta keep that black area between the pixels down
Maybe do the entire color mix down on the chip, and each "fiber pixel"
would then be a true color transmission medium. No need to "mix" three
actual pixels at the screen to make one "color point" (pixel).
Another way, instead of one chip feeding all the pixels, use an entire
chip to feed all the light to ONE pixel, as in:
Take 2,073,600 LCD or DLP (or OLED) projector lamps and illuminate the
entire lamp output with a single "pixel's" final color value for a given
frame of a given video. Stack them all up on a rack, spaced apart from
each other a bit to allow them to be properly cooled. Run fiber bundles
up to the screen "pixels" from each projector lamp. That makes a
1920x1080 array. Lottsa of wiring though and they already have the
computers, switches and software for this kind of stuff.
Voila'! Daylight viewable big screen HDTV.
rickman
Nov 23, 2012, 6:11:58 PM11/23/12
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On 11/22/2012 5:22 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> I have fun repairing what wasn't made to be repaired. :)
>
> I have a couple laptops to fix, right now. One Dell& one Gateway.
>
> I have fun repairing what wasn't made to be repaired. :)
>
> The Dell has a broken power connector, the Gateway has bad CMOS battery
> & a couple dying CCFLs.
My Toshiba has a bad power connector. It broke away from the mounting
> & a couple dying CCFLs.
tabs. There was still a little bit of tabs at the bottom so I laid a
piece of leather over top so the case pushes really hard on it now and
holds it in place... mostly. Otherwise it would have ended up with an
external in-line connector that would have looked very suspicious to the
TSA guys if I ever had to fly with it.
So far, so good. I just have to open up the case and reposition it when
it slips on occasion.
I haven't figured out how to get the case completely open and then back
together. There are a couple of flex cables that I don't think I can
reach to reinsert if I take them out of the sockets. I have two bad USB
connectors and a SD card socket I'd like to repair. But just can't get
in the durn thing...
Rick
Michael A. Terrell
Nov 23, 2012, 6:26:27 PM11/23/12
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people are posting video of how to repair popular laptops on Ebay.
Jeff Liebermann
Nov 23, 2012, 6:30:41 PM11/23/12
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 18:11:58 -0500, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>My Toshiba has a bad power connector.
Thanks for not specifying the Toshiba model number. That saves me the
>My Toshiba has a bad power connector.
trouble of finding the specific disassembly instructions, connectors,
etc.
Various Toshiblah disassembly guides:
<http://www.irisvista.com/tech/>
DC Jack Repair:
<http://www.laptoprepair101.com/laptop/2007/12/06/dc-power-jack-repair-guide/>
There are replacement jacks all over eBay.
If you can't reach the USB solder connections with a soldering iron,
which tend to be UNDER the connector, you can use a hot air SMT
desoldering gun. The problem is that without protection, the plastic
insulator will melt. Wrap the connector in aluminum foil to protect
the plastic. Also take a sheet of aluminum foil, punch a hole in it
for the connector, and use it to protect the adjacent components. Use
low air flow to minimize the heat affected zone. You shouldn't need
to do this for the power connector, but the USB jacks might require
this method.
I suggest you take photos with a digital camera as you tear the laptop
apart. This saves the inevitable problem of trying to find where the
spare parts go after you've put Humpty Dumpty back together. If
you're not sure about the screws, take a photo of the bottom and
inside, print the photos, and attach the prints to sheet of styrofoam.
As you remove the screws, push them through the print and into the
styrofoam in their original location. If you're a bit more
experienced, multiple cups and cans, one for each "layer" or "area" of
the laptop also works.
Good luck...
--
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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Skybuck Flying
Nov 24, 2012, 11:13:18 PM11/24/12
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"Abbey Somebody" <abno...@castlefrankenstein.org> wrote in message
news:f0bva81i1g02fgqb1...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:32:46 +0100, "Skybuck Flying"
> <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my
>>old
>>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
>
> I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
Heck I even have a 80486 motherboard/computer.
> <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my
>>old
>>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
>
> I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
> Must have been back before you started tossing machines (read "building")
>
> How many PCs have you fried in the last 4 years? How many Mobos?
with their shitty designs ?!
Bye,
Skybuck.
Abbey Somebody
Nov 25, 2012, 11:37:35 AM11/25/12
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 05:13:18 +0100, "SkyTard Futzing"
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Abbey Somebody" <abno...@castlefrankenstein.org> wrote in message
>news:f0bva81i1g02fgqb1...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:32:46 +0100, "SkyTard Futzing"
<Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Abbey Somebody" <abno...@castlefrankenstein.org> wrote in message
>news:f0bva81i1g02fgqb1...@4ax.com...
>> <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my
>>>old
>>>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
>>
>> I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
>
>Heck I even have a 80486 motherboard/computer.
>
>> Must have been back before you started tossing machines (read "building")
>>
>> How many PCs have you fried in the last 4 years? How many Mobos?
>
>The real question is how many motherboards have these "designers" killed,
>with their shitty designs ?!
>
>Bye,
> Skybuck.
>
You are that one fucking retard who can take something that millions of
>>
>>>I just ordered new replacement hardware to fix my DreamPC and upgrade my
>>>old
>>>Pentium III 450 mhz with 2 GB of memory ! ;) :0
>>
>> I am amazed that you actually have a mobo that old that still runs.
>
>Heck I even have a 80486 motherboard/computer.
>
>> Must have been back before you started tossing machines (read "building")
>>
>> How many PCs have you fried in the last 4 years? How many Mobos?
>
>The real question is how many motherboards have these "designers" killed,
>with their shitty designs ?!
>
>Bye,
> Skybuck.
>
consumers buy and use with no problems at all, and fuck it up completely,
all the while blaming the maker for YOUR FUCK UP.
Skybuck Flying
Nov 25, 2012, 7:14:47 AM11/25/12
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news:r5i4b85pf65r0f06s...@4ax.com...
Why put the case under 110 volts ?! Don't make much sense to me...
Only reason which comes to mind and which I have vaguely heard of it:
It's cheaper.
That seems to be a big trend in PC design:
Save a few cents here and there and produce shitty equipment.
Seems like people are catching on and not buying PC anymore but other stuff
like "Ohhhh Steve Jobs Goodness" LOL.
Bye,
Skybuck.
Only reason which comes to mind and which I have vaguely heard of it:
It's cheaper.
That seems to be a big trend in PC design:
Save a few cents here and there and produce shitty equipment.
Seems like people are catching on and not buying PC anymore but other stuff
like "Ohhhh Steve Jobs Goodness" LOL.
Bye,
Skybuck.
Dave Platt
Nov 27, 2012, 2:46:26 PM11/27/12
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In article <4a6ec$50b4281d$54193041$12...@cache80.multikabel.net>,
It happens as a side effect of the power-supply filtering which is
intended to block out radio-frequency noise. Quite commonly, the
"live" sides of the power mains wiring ("hot" and "neutral" here in
the U.S., and the two "balanced power" sides in some other countries)
are both "bypassed" to ground (the chassis) through small-value
capacitors. These capacitors have a very low impedance at radio
frequencies, and a much higher impedance at the 50 or 60 Hz (the power
line frequency). They provide an "easy path" for radio-frequency
noise from the computer power supply to flow to ground - in effect a
"radio frequency short circuit" - while only leaking a very tiny
trickle of powerline current.
This is *very* common practice. In most countries, there are legal
limits on how much RF noise an appliance or computer is permitted to
leak back into the power lines, and having a filter of this sort in
the power-supply design is (in effect) required by law.
HOWEVER, if you don't properly ground the chassis, then the chassis
can "float" to a voltage which is half-way between the two "live"
powerline wires. In a U.S. system this will be around 60 volts, while
in a 220/240 volt non-balanced system it'll be around 110 volts.
The amount of current which can result from this is very low (because
of the high impedance of the filter capacitors at power-line
frequencies). Nevertheless, it is measurable with a high-impedance
digital voltmeter, and there's the possibility that some
very-sensitive equipment might malfunction or be damaged under some
circumstances (usually not, but it can happen).
If you *do* ground the chassis, so that the equipment is being used as
it was designed to be used, then the voltage "disappears". The
chassis is held at ground voltage.
The moral of the story is, that you should use sophisticated equipment
as it was intended to be used. If you "ignore the instructions on the
box", you're the one who needs to understand the implications of doing
so, and accept responsibility for the consequences.
As one woodworking program I watch says, during every episode: "Be
sure to read, understand, and follow all of the instructions and
warnings which come with the equipment and products that you use."
--
Dave Platt <dpl...@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
Skybuck Flying <Blood...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why put the case under 110 volts ?! Don't make much sense to me...
>
>Only reason which comes to mind and which I have vaguely heard of it:
>
>It's cheaper.
Wrongamundo.
>Why put the case under 110 volts ?! Don't make much sense to me...
>
>Only reason which comes to mind and which I have vaguely heard of it:
>
>It's cheaper.
It happens as a side effect of the power-supply filtering which is
intended to block out radio-frequency noise. Quite commonly, the
"live" sides of the power mains wiring ("hot" and "neutral" here in
the U.S., and the two "balanced power" sides in some other countries)
are both "bypassed" to ground (the chassis) through small-value
capacitors. These capacitors have a very low impedance at radio
frequencies, and a much higher impedance at the 50 or 60 Hz (the power
line frequency). They provide an "easy path" for radio-frequency
noise from the computer power supply to flow to ground - in effect a
"radio frequency short circuit" - while only leaking a very tiny
trickle of powerline current.
This is *very* common practice. In most countries, there are legal
limits on how much RF noise an appliance or computer is permitted to
leak back into the power lines, and having a filter of this sort in
the power-supply design is (in effect) required by law.
HOWEVER, if you don't properly ground the chassis, then the chassis
can "float" to a voltage which is half-way between the two "live"
powerline wires. In a U.S. system this will be around 60 volts, while
in a 220/240 volt non-balanced system it'll be around 110 volts.
The amount of current which can result from this is very low (because
of the high impedance of the filter capacitors at power-line
frequencies). Nevertheless, it is measurable with a high-impedance
digital voltmeter, and there's the possibility that some
very-sensitive equipment might malfunction or be damaged under some
circumstances (usually not, but it can happen).
If you *do* ground the chassis, so that the equipment is being used as
it was designed to be used, then the voltage "disappears". The
chassis is held at ground voltage.
The moral of the story is, that you should use sophisticated equipment
as it was intended to be used. If you "ignore the instructions on the
box", you're the one who needs to understand the implications of doing
so, and accept responsibility for the consequences.
As one woodworking program I watch says, during every episode: "Be
sure to read, understand, and follow all of the instructions and
warnings which come with the equipment and products that you use."
--
Dave Platt <dpl...@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
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