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Me.Here

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:12:17 PM12/29/07
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With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent newsreader
or unsubscribe from the group so I need some suggestions of newsreader
software with good (non-score based) filtering rules. So far I've tried:

MS-OE
Thunderbird
XanaNews
MesNews
Opera
40tude Dialog
Microplanet Gravity
Mahogany

None seemed to have a decent enough filtering capability (ie. able to
filter on *anything* in the header).

I disregarded Nomad News, Xnews and Forte Version 1.21 as being too old
(no update in more than 4 years or so). I even thought to try nfilter
but it failed to download as a valid Win32 app.

badgolferman

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:17:04 PM12/29/07
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Me.Here, 12/29/2007,11:12:17 PM, wrote:

> With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent
> newsreader or unsubscribe from the group so I need some suggestions
> of newsreader software with good (non-score based) filtering rules.
> So far I've tried:
>
> MS-OE
> Thunderbird
> XanaNews
> MesNews
> Opera
> 40tude Dialog
> Microplanet Gravity
> Mahogany
>
> None seemed to have a decent enough filtering capability (ie. able to

> filter on anything in the header).


>
> I disregarded Nomad News, Xnews and Forte Version 1.21 as being too
> old (no update in more than 4 years or so). I even thought to try
> nfilter but it failed to download as a valid Win32 app.

Xananews can filter on header info. I will guess that Dialog and
Gravity can also. Although Xnews is old it is still highly configurable
if you can use score files.

Me.Here

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:24:21 PM12/29/07
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They all can to some degree, but not to the extent I want. I want to be
able to filter on the abuse line.

Me.Here

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:29:14 PM12/29/07
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The "X-Complaints-To" line...

badgolferman

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:35:05 PM12/29/07
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In Xananews:
Tools-Options-Filters
Add-Header-Matches --> X-Complaints-To: ab...@usenetserver.com

elaich

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:37:55 PM12/29/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in news:47771aa0$0$31016$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:

> I disregarded Nomad News, Xnews and Forte Version 1.21 as being too old
> (no update in more than 4 years or so).

Your mistake. Stupid assumption. Xnews is not updated because there is no
need to. Xnews has the best filtering of all newsreaders, but you
disregarded it because it is "too old." Live with the sporge.

Me.Here

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:41:53 PM12/29/07
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Yeah thanks, but I tried that but it doesn't filter out the messages
unless I've missed another setting somewhere (like a view setting etc.).

Lew

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:54:10 PM12/29/07
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"elaich" <|@|.|> wrote in message
news:5toll2F...@mid.individual.net...

Elaich did your xnews filter out todays sporge? Or do you have to make
new filters each day the sporger throws a tantrum?

--
Lew


Me.Here

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Dec 29, 2007, 11:58:22 PM12/29/07
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Egg on ones face is never pretty elaich. Let's see how many holes I can
poke in your "off-the-cuff" reply...

If you had bothered to *read* what I posted you would've noticed that I
made the point of stating *NOT SCORE* based, so it wasn't a mistake. It
wasn't an assumption either, it's a *FACT*. Xnews latest release was
April 25 2002. It has a "TEST" release (beta, I guess) that is dated 24
Aug 2006 which is still score based.

I suggest you take your medication and relax pal.

Offbreed

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Dec 30, 2007, 12:03:34 AM12/30/07
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Me.Here wrote:
> I even thought to try nfilter
> but it failed to download as a valid Win32 app.

Google nfilter, this news group. The version you downloaded might be the
one that has to be changed from .exe to .zip .

The filter criteria is a text file called "nfilter.dat" and is easily
changed with any notepad type program.

The drawback is that the filter criteria cannot be used on messages
already downloaded, but it's good for problems that stay the same.

I never have figured out how to use xnews.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 12:18:30 AM12/30/07
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Thanks. I've tried but it always seems to come up with the Win32 error.
Maybe it won't run on XP.

Lew

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Dec 30, 2007, 1:54:02 AM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in message
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Change it to a .zip file:)

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Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 2:06:36 AM12/30/07
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Thanks but I tried that but it still didn't work :-(

Lew

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Dec 30, 2007, 2:09:15 AM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in message
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Hmm. It does run on xp. I have it.. Try downloading again.

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Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 2:13:30 AM12/30/07
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Lew wrote:
> "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in message
> news:4777437b$0$25392$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Lew wrote:
>>> "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47772a26$0$17825$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> Offbreed wrote:
>>>>> Me.Here wrote:
>>>>>> I even thought to try nfilter but it failed to download as a
>>>>>> valid Win32 app.
>>>>> Google nfilter, this news group. The version you downloaded might
>>>>> be the one that has to be changed from .exe to .zip .
>>>>>
>>>>> The filter criteria is a text file called "nfilter.dat" and is
>>>>> easily changed with any notepad type program.
>>>>>
>>>>> The drawback is that the filter criteria cannot be used on messages
>>>>> already downloaded, but it's good for problems that stay the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never have figured out how to use xnews.
>>>> Thanks. I've tried but it always seems to come up with the Win32
>>>> error. Maybe it won't run on XP.
>>>>
>>> Change it to a .zip file:)
>>>
>> Thanks but I tried that but it still didn't work :-(
>>
>
> Hmm. It does run on xp. I have it.. Try downloading again.
>

I've tried about 4 times now (http://www.nfilter.org/download.html) and
it still comes up with a "not a valid Win32 application" error.

Lew

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:31:44 AM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in message
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If you can give me an email addy Ill send you my exe that works fine. I
downloaded the one from your link and cant get it to work either.
Lew


s|b

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:50:50 AM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:30 +1100, Me.Here wrote:

> Thanks. I've tried but it always seems to come up with the Win32 error.
> Maybe it won't run on XP.

Perhaps Hamster then?

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s|b

hummingbird

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Dec 30, 2007, 5:27:07 AM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:58:22 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

You're much more fun when you trawl the Way Back Machine
and cut/paste your findings all over the place.


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"The actual thread is called *Susan Bugher hides from fact*
started by Hummingbird's sockpuppet on 13th December"
<Franklin>, ACF, 26-Dec-2007

-Lost

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:02:03 AM12/30/07
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Response to "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net>:

> Xnews latest release was April 25 2002. It has a "TEST" release
> (beta, I guess) that is dated 24 Aug 2006 which is still score
> based.

http://blinkynet.net/comp/xnewsrels.html

Luu Tran is/was a mite psychotic in his naming schemes. The 2006
release is perfectly stable (OK, not perfectly, but near it).

But alas, still scored-based. Good luck and make sure to update the
thread if you find a suitable thread -- despite the negativity.

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-Lost
Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
kidding. No I am not.

-Lost

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:08:50 AM12/30/07
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Response to "Lew" <Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com>:

>> I've tried about 4 times now
>> (http://www.nfilter.org/download.html) and it still comes up with
>> a "not a valid Win32 application" error.

> If you can give me an email addy Ill send you my exe that works
> fine. I downloaded the one from your link and cant get it to work
> either.

You have the 1.2.1-b1 version? If you've the time and spare bandwidth
I'd love a copy as well.

The 1.2.0 version is an improperly named ZIP, but the second doesn't
appear to be valid in any situation.

Message has been deleted

Lew

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Dec 30, 2007, 7:16:08 AM12/30/07
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"-Lost" <maventhee...@techie.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A163ECF0F...@216.196.97.136...

> You have the 1.2.1-b1 version? If you've the time and spare bandwidth
> I'd love a copy as well.
>
> The 1.2.0 version is an improperly named ZIP, but the second doesn't
> appear to be valid in any situation.
>
> --
> -Lost
> Remove the extra words to reply by e-mail. Don't e-mail me. I am
> kidding. No I am not.

Sent..

Lew


Sysyphus' Sister

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Dec 30, 2007, 11:17:34 AM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:30 +1100, "Me.Here"
<me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote:


Well, count that as a miss too. Im running it now on XP.

Sysyphus' Sister

Allan Higdon

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Dec 30, 2007, 11:34:15 AM12/30/07
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:24:21 -0600, Me.Here <me.here@home_on_the.net>
wrote:

I can do this with Opera.
Match messages where any header contains @suddenlink.net
or where any header contains @usenetserver.com
or where any header contains @qwest.net
(so forth)


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GWClay

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Dec 30, 2007, 11:53:41 AM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:17:34 -0700, Sysyphus' Sister
<sysyphu...@privacy.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:30 +1100, "Me.Here"
><me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote:
>

>>>> I even thought to try nfilter but it failed to download as a valid
>>>> Win32 app.

>


>Well, count that as a miss too. Im running it now on XP.
>
>Sysyphus' Sister

So am I
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Bear Bottoms

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Dec 30, 2007, 12:13:41 PM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:15 -0600, Allan Higdon <alhi...@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>> They all can to some degree, but not to the extent I want. I want to
>> be able to filter on the abuse line.
>
> I can do this with Opera.
> Match messages where any header contains @suddenlink.net
> or where any header contains @usenetserver.com
> or where any header contains @qwest.net
> (so forth)
>

Actually Opera newsreader has an extensive ability to filter. It can also
/learn/.


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Freeware Website http://bearbottoms1.com

Offbreed

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Dec 30, 2007, 12:33:02 PM12/30/07
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Me.Here wrote:
> Thanks. I've tried but it always seems to come up with the Win32 error.
> Maybe it won't run on XP.
>
I cannot address why you cannot get it to run.

nFilter is good for /some/ problems, but it may not be of any use with
the present annoyance. The program works on headers being downloaded
from the news server, and does nothing with headers already downloaded.

Ralph Fox

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:17:12 PM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:13:30 +1100, in message <4777451a$0$10313$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Me.Here wrote:

>
> I've tried about 4 times now (http://www.nfilter.org/download.html) and
> it still comes up with a "not a valid Win32 application" error.


The downloads from http://www.nfilter.org/download.html are 1 byte short,
and so XP won't run them.


The real file size should be an _exact_ multiple of 512 bytes.


Try downloading from another mirror site, such as

(2) http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/
(3) http://west.porterfield.net/nfilter/
(4) http://troll-busters.0catch.com/gen/ [website uses Java]

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Cheers,
Ralph


Ralph Fox

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:21:48 PM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:41:53 +1100, in message <47772190$0$10313$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
Me.Here wrote:

> > Tools-Options-Filters
> > Add-Header-Matches --> X-Complaints-To: ab...@usenetserver.com
>
> Yeah thanks, but I tried that but it doesn't filter out the messages
> unless I've missed another setting somewhere (like a view setting etc.).


To filter on non-overview headers, the news server needs to
support XHDR for the header in question.

You may need to change news servers.


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Ralph

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:33:43 PM12/30/07
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Thanks for the idea. I used to run Hamster a long time ago when I ran a
BBS. Unfortunately, I don't have the resources now to truly utilize the
full functionality of Hamster and in truth, it would be overkill using
it just to clean up one NG.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:33:59 PM12/30/07
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hummingbird wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:58:22 +1100 'Me.Here'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>> elaich wrote:
>>> "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in news:47771aa0$0$31016$afc38c87
>>> @news.optusnet.com.au:
>>>
>>>> I disregarded Nomad News, Xnews and Forte Version 1.21 as being too old
>>>> (no update in more than 4 years or so).
>>> Your mistake. Stupid assumption. Xnews is not updated because there is no
>>> need to. Xnews has the best filtering of all newsreaders, but you
>>> disregarded it because it is "too old." Live with the sporge.
>> Egg on ones face is never pretty elaich. Let's see how many holes I can
>> poke in your "off-the-cuff" reply...
>>
>> If you had bothered to *read* what I posted you would've noticed that I
>> made the point of stating *NOT SCORE* based, so it wasn't a mistake. It
>> wasn't an assumption either, it's a *FACT*. Xnews latest release was
>> April 25 2002. It has a "TEST" release (beta, I guess) that is dated 24
>> Aug 2006 which is still score based.
>>
>> I suggest you take your medication and relax pal.
>
> You're much more fun when you trawl the Way Back Machine
> and cut/paste your findings all over the place.
>
>

Huh?

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:39:14 PM12/30/07
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-Lost wrote:
> Response to "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net>:
>
>> Xnews latest release was April 25 2002. It has a "TEST" release
>> (beta, I guess) that is dated 24 Aug 2006 which is still score
>> based.
>
> http://blinkynet.net/comp/xnewsrels.html
>
> Luu Tran is/was a mite psychotic in his naming schemes. The 2006
> release is perfectly stable (OK, not perfectly, but near it).
>
> But alas, still scored-based. Good luck and make sure to update the
> thread if you find a suitable thread -- despite the negativity.
>

Thanks Lost, I will. In truth, I like Thunderbird, it does everything I
need - bozo bin, subject highlighter (good for highlighting posts on
software I use) and is easy to use but unfortunately, it's sporge
killing ability is severely limited. Couple that with it's uncertain
future and it may be time for me to start looking for another freeware
alternative.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:44:33 PM12/30/07
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Rom wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:12:17 +1100, Me.Here wrote:
>
>> With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent newsreader
>> or unsubscribe from the group
>
> Another option is switch to a news server that deals with sporge or
> tries to, and then the newsreader or filtering isn't such an issue.
>
> A couple of suggestions to look into and/or try:
> http://news.individual.net/> <http://motzarella.org/>
>
> Even if you find a newsreader/newsproxy to suit with filtering, the
> news server(s) used needs to support the (non-overview) headers you
> want to filter, and there's always a possibility the news server(s)
> you're using don't.
>

Thanks Rom but it would be overkill as I only visit two NG's, both of
which my ISP carries. My ISP supports the use of full headers so I am
able to filter on various header lines.

> Wrt to the nFilter downloaded not working and giving an error, it's a
> byte short so appending a byte would likely fix it, or download a
> different version or from somewhere else.
>
> Of the newsreaders you listed, Dialog can filter on any header in the
> overview when retrieving headers and any (other) header when
> retrieving bodies. Scoring is optional, and can just use actions like
> delete or ignore, for example.
>
> I apologise in advance if I didn't specifically address what you
> posted and/or wanted. And news.software.readers would be a more
> appropriate group for your newsreader and filtering questions.
>

Thanks for the info.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:45:24 PM12/30/07
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Cool, nice to know that wasn't the cause of the error. Now I just need
to find a non-broken copy :-)

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:48:23 PM12/30/07
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Hmmm, I tried doing that but I couldn't find out how. Might be worth
reinstalling it again and having another go. From what I remember, it
wasn't as intuitive as other newsreaders but that may be because it
combined POP and NNTP services into one interface.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:50:15 PM12/30/07
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Yeah so I've been told. I guess it'll always be a "reactive" solution
rather than an "active" one.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:51:10 PM12/30/07
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Thanks for the links Ralph.

Bear Bottoms

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Dec 30, 2007, 4:59:25 PM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:48:23 -0600, Me.Here <me.here@home_on_the.net>
wrote:

>> I can do this with Opera.
>> Match messages where any header contains @suddenlink.net
>> or where any header contains @usenetserver.com
>> or where any header contains @qwest.net
>> (so forth)
>>
>
> Hmmm, I tried doing that but I couldn't find out how. Might be worth
> reinstalling it again and having another go. From what I remember, it
> wasn't as intuitive as other newsreaders but that may be because it
> combined POP and NNTP services into one interface.
>

Use F4 to bring up the side bar, right click in it's pane and choose new
filter. Name it say: ACF, right click it again and choose properties,
rules tab and look at all of the choices...pretty nice.

-Lost

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Dec 30, 2007, 5:02:47 PM12/30/07
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Response to "Lew" <Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com>:

> Sent..

Received, with thanks.

Allan Higdon

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Dec 30, 2007, 5:10:34 PM12/30/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:48:23 -0600, Me.Here <me.here@home_on_the.net>
wrote:

> Allan Higdon wrote:


>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:24:21 -0600, Me.Here <me.here@home_on_the.net>

>>> They all can to some degree, but not to the extent I want. I want to
>>> be able to filter on the abuse line.
>>>
>> I can do this with Opera.
>> Match messages where any header contains @suddenlink.net
>> or where any header contains @usenetserver.com
>> or where any header contains @qwest.net
>> (so forth)
>
> Hmmm, I tried doing that but I couldn't find out how. Might be worth
> reinstalling it again and having another go. From what I remember, it
> wasn't as intuitive as other newsreaders but that may be because it
> combined POP and NNTP services into one interface.

If you need more help with Opera filtering, just ask. :)

Fred

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Dec 30, 2007, 5:25:51 PM12/30/07
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"Rom" <-...@-.invalid> wrote in message
news:1dgdlvxy8yeyz$.s6sufmmihosr$.dlg@40tude.net...

> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:12:17 +1100, Me.Here wrote:
>
>> With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent newsreader
>> or unsubscribe from the group
>
> Another option is switch to a news server that deals with sporge or
> tries to, and then the newsreader or filtering isn't such an issue.
>
> A couple of suggestions to look into and/or try:
> http://news.individual.net/> <http://motzarella.org/>


Motzarella is an excellent free news server but unfortunately it will not
help regarding the sporge problem.

--
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Ron May

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:03:44 PM12/30/07
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I use motzarella.org for downloading messages from this group, and
I've really only seen a trickle in recent weeks, perhaps a dozen or so
messages every couple of days. Further, what's left is pretty simple
to clean up. The sporger really isn't very good at competing with
experienced users. Many have posted about what a LUSER he/she/it is.

Now I *do* have other filters in place, and they may be cattching some
sporge, but they're pretty loose except for googlespam, because I
don't want to block legitimate messages from some domains (like
RoadRunner or Cox, for instance) but each of us has our own approach.

--
Ron M.
(I filter Googlespam)

bealoid

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:30:21 PM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in news:47771aa0$0$31016
$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au:

> With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent
newsreader

> or unsubscribe from the group so I need some suggestions of newsreader
> software with good (non-score based) filtering rules.

I don't know what you mean by "non score based" filtering?

> None seemed to have a decent enough filtering capability (ie. able to

> filter on *anything* in the header).

That's how Usenet works. News readers ask for headers, then they ask for
the whole article. BUT they don't get all the headers, they only get
some information. The NNTP RFCs probably clear this up. It's a long
time since I read them, but I think the information you get is based on
the commands your software issues and the settings of the server. (But
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)

> I disregarded Nomad News, Xnews and Forte Version 1.21 as being too old
> (no update in more than 4 years or so).

Old doesn't always mean bad. And Xnews has a "test" release which is
perfectly usable and is sometimes updated.

Xnews should do everything you want. At least, if I knew what you meant
by "non score based" filtering?

> I even thought to try nfilter
> but it failed to download as a valid Win32 app.

An annoying flaw. Google will show many ways to download and use nfilter
from that site, and you've probably got a few replies in this thread
already.

elaich

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:39:34 PM12/30/07
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"Lew" <Drafted1970nu...@Invalidmail.com> wrote in
news:jPadnfZJZ4ruuera...@comcast.com:

> Elaich did your xnews filter out todays sporge? Or do you have to make
> new filters each day the sporger throws a tantrum?

What sporge? I haven't seen any in a long time.

elaich

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:44:12 PM12/30/07
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bealoid <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote in news:Xns9A16EDE1CE0F5YAsfKJXSTO@
194.117.143.37:

> Xnews should do everything you want. At least, if I knew what you meant
> by "non score based" filtering?

For some strange reason, he's looking for a newsreader that can filter, but
not using scoring like Xnews does. It's like throwing out the baby with the
bathwater - scoring is the best filter mechanism, but he doesn't want it.

All the people who insist on using Thunderbird, Agent, Xananews, etc. (non
scoring based newsreaders) are always the ones going on about the sporger
and how can they possibly block it.

I'm now convinced the OP is a troll, anyway. Probably one of Chris's
sockpuppets.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 6:55:33 PM12/30/07
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Score based readers aren't the only ones that can deal with sporge. Any
reader that can filter using regex's or keywords on NNTP headers will
work just as well.

FYI, instead of shooting your mouth off, you'd do well to check my
previous posts and my IP to see that I'm not Chris nor his sockpuppet.
As for being a troll, show me what posts I've made in this group that
would suggest such a grandiose statement? Given your initial reply to
my post, I'd be looking in the mirror before accusing anyone else of
"trolling".


bealoid

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Dec 30, 2007, 7:27:10 PM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in
news:47782ff6$0$5200$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au:

[snip]

> Score based readers aren't the only ones that can deal with sporge.
> Any reader that can filter using regex's or keywords on NNTP headers
> will work just as well.

Xnews can filter using regex's (PCRE) or keywords on NNTP headers.

I still don't understand why that's not score based filtering.

Lew

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Dec 30, 2007, 7:53:40 PM12/30/07
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"elaich" <|@|.|> wrote in message
news:5tqohmF...@mid.individual.net...

The last 2 days have seen quite a bit.
Lew


Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 7:55:10 PM12/30/07
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With non-scored based filtering, when the keyword or regex matches you
usually only have a couple of choices (pass or delete) whereas with
score based filtering, you have to assign each regex match a score and
then set things like thresholds for the different score groups etc. to
tell the client how to process it. While they do similar things,
non-score based filtering is much easier to set up and use. The
downside to non-score based filtering is that it isn't as flexible as
the score based method.

I finally managed to download nfilter so I'm using it now. It allows
for keyword, regex and score based methods, however, I only need and use
the keyword method which is filtering out the sporge quite nicely.

hummingbird

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Dec 30, 2007, 8:00:37 PM12/30/07
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:33:59 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

Good question. There was another 'Me' a while back.


--
"I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
<Franklin>, ACF, 23-Nov-2007 ... but ... but ... but

"The actual thread is called *Susan Bugher hides from fact*
started by Hummingbird's sockpuppet on 13th December"
<Franklin>, ACF, 26-Dec-2007

DevilsPGD

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Dec 30, 2007, 9:50:09 PM12/30/07
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In message <Xns9A16EDE1CE...@194.117.143.37> bealoid
<sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote:

>That's how Usenet works. News readers ask for headers, then they ask for
>the whole article. BUT they don't get all the headers, they only get
>some information. The NNTP RFCs probably clear this up. It's a long
>time since I read them, but I think the information you get is based on
>the commands your software issues and the settings of the server. (But
>I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)

There are basically five ways to request information about an article.

XOVER will get a standard set of overviews, as supplied by the server.
XHDR will request a specific header. Some servers will provide all
headers this way, some will only provide overview headers.

HEAD will return all headers from the article.
BODY will return the body.
ARTICLE will return the HEAD, followed by a blank line, followed by the
full BODY of the article.

There is no practical reason a newsreader can't filter on any or all of
the above stages, design permitting.

»Q«

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Dec 30, 2007, 9:54:30 PM12/30/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote:

> > Xnews can filter using regex's (PCRE) or keywords on NNTP headers.
> >
> > I still don't understand why that's not score based filtering.
>
> With non-scored based filtering, when the keyword or regex matches
> you usually only have a couple of choices (pass or delete) whereas
> with score based filtering, you have to assign each regex match a
> score and then set things like thresholds for the different score
> groups etc. to tell the client how to process it. While they do
> similar things, non-score based filtering is much easier to set up
> and use.

If you only want to pass or delete, just use the scores -9999 and
9999. IMO, typing "drop" or "kill" isn't much easier than typing
"-9999".


Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 10:39:20 PM12/30/07
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True, but I was thinking more along the lines of selecting options in a
GUI and not editing a separate filter file.

Me.Here

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Dec 30, 2007, 10:42:54 PM12/30/07
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DevilsPGD wrote:

//SNIP//

> There is no practical reason a newsreader can't filter on any or all of
> the above stages, design permitting.

> From - Mon

Exactly and in todays spam/sporge ridden world, IMHO, *the* most
important factor in determining which email/newsreader I choose is its
ability to filter messages and most importantly, headers.

elaich

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Dec 31, 2007, 1:26:13 AM12/31/07
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"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in news:47782ff6$0$5200$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:

> FYI, instead of shooting your mouth off, you'd do well to check my
> previous posts and my IP to see that I'm not Chris nor his sockpuppet.

I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using the
current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly Chris-like.

You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.

Daniel Mandic

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Dec 31, 2007, 2:22:28 AM12/31/07
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elaich wrote:

> All the people who insist on using Thunderbird, Agent, Xananews, etc.
> (non scoring based newsreaders) are always the ones going on about
> the sporger and how can they possibly block it.

Well, I am not so much relieved, by using a newsreader with scoring.

I have no troubles to delete and purge sporge manually. It's the best
and most secure way, so you don't miss or delete a regular message.


Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 6:47:21 AM12/31/07
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:39:20 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>»Q« wrote:
>> If you only want to pass or delete, just use the scores -9999 and
>> 9999. IMO, typing "drop" or "kill" isn't much easier than typing
>> "-9999".


>True, but I was thinking more along the lines of selecting options in a
>GUI and not editing a separate filter file.

That would exclude using NewsProxy too, but IIUC you have just
installed it.

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 6:49:31 AM12/31/07
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On 31 Dec 2007 06:26:13 GMT 'elaich'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

elaich, who the fcuk is Chris? Have you caught Franklin's disease?

Maybe I should start addressing you as 'LH'?

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 6:51:36 AM12/31/07
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On 31 Dec 2007 07:22:28 GMT 'Daniel Mandic'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

That makes a lot of sense Daniel. The only alternative is to do what
I try to do which is to create quite detailed filters to catch the
bad guys, but not the good guys.

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 6:55:00 AM12/31/07
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On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:50:09 -0700 'DevilsPGD'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

It varies from one program to another, but filtering on full headers
using XHDR can take a long time on a busy newsgroup. I notice this
particularly with NewsProxy.

Bear Bottoms

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Dec 31, 2007, 8:06:16 AM12/31/07
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:22:28 -0600, Daniel Mandic <daniel...@aon.at>
wrote:

I concure. Tis rather too easy to do.

Message has been deleted

iNcReDuLoUs

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Dec 31, 2007, 10:46:03 AM12/31/07
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hummingbird <hummi...@2die4.com> wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2007 06:26:13 GMT 'elaich'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>

>>I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using the
>>current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly
>>Chris-like.
>>
>>You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
>>filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.
>
> elaich, who the fcuk is Chris? Have you caught Franklin's disease?

Google: http://preview.tinyurl.com/34p8to

Christopher Millbank <tou...@jeitinho.plus.com> aka hummingbird wrote in
news:263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1:

> Path: authen.yellow.readfreenews.net!green.octanews.net!
> news-out.octanews.net!mauve.octanews.net!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!
> newshosting.com!newsfeed2.ip.tiscali.net!tiscali!
> newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!
> nntpfeed.proxad.net!news.side3.eu!news.motzarella.org!motzarella.org!
> feeder.z74.net!news.z74.net!sn-xt-ams-06!sn-xt-ams-03!sn-post-ams-02!
> sn-post-ams-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
> From: Christopher Millbank <tou...@jeitinho.plus.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.victory
> Subject: Re: John Corliss [ALERT] (crossposting removed)
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:22:00 +0000
> Organization:
> Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> References: <Xns9A02EB944A1DBmetadyataminvalid@MR-BLACK>
> <Xns9A03BB6B6...@85.114.133.75>
> <fjluf...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> <Xns9A04A07A1...@85.214.90.236>
> <fjocma...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> <emteedee-CACE20...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
> <13mb756...@corp.supernews.com>
> <ba4b24ed22355af9...@local.127.0.0.1>
> <13md7eq...@corp.supernews.com>
> <844901d2fa9e73dc...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> <13mmv6h...@corp.supernews.com>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com
> Lines: 55
> Xref: authen.yellow.readfreenews.net rec.motorcycles.victory:752
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:43:57 -0800 'John Corliss'
> wrote this on rec.motorcycles.victory:
>
>>You can post whatever you like but I will ignore it. You're now
>>officially killfiled in this group as well.
>
> Oooooh dear me.
> Pray tell what does "officially killfiled" mean Mr Corliss.
>
> btw - when do you start to use your new signature here:
>
> --
> John Corliss BullShit 2008. I killfile trolls like Andy Mabbett,
> Franklin, Hummingbird, Kayman, coco and proteanthread. Thus, I
> never see their messages. Of course I am the biggest troll of all on
> ACF but I don't killfile myself because I like to read my own posts
> because I am the Leader of the Gang. Some friends call me Gary.
> When I say it is nagware, IT IS NAGWARE. I will attack anybody
> who disagrees with me and reduce them to pulp, threatening them
> with my baseball bat if necessary. That usually works.
> I rule this news group by fear, intimidation, abuse and threats.
> I like to post long troll threads to start flame wars. It gives me a
> great feeling of power. I also run a dirty tricks department which
> has served me well for 8 years to intimidate and threaten anybody
> who has the balls to disagree with me. Beware of your private e-mail
> address because I send them to spammers if you disagree with me.
> Because of Googlespam, I use NFilter to block all Google Groups
> posts from being displayed in my news reader. I also use it to block
> all cross-posted messages and all other messages from all other
> sources. I use NFilter to ensure the only messages I see displayed
> in my news reader are those from myself and my fans like Ron May
> and Franklin and a few tame trolls and troublemakers.
> No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy,
> time-limited, underware, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
> "We need another webmaster for the Pricelessware website. Susan
> Bugher doesn't adequately believe in defending the definition of
> freeware." I wrote this on ACF recently and you should take note:
> "I will continue to do as I like and neither you, nor anybody else,
> will stop me." So FOAD. TALK TO THE HAND, PUNK.
>
> Here is a list of newsgroups dedicated to me over the last few
> years by my many friends on Usenet:
>
> alt.usenet.kooks.john-corliss
> alt.blowitoutyourass.john-corliss
> alt.i-think.therefore.i-dont.listen-to.john-corliss
> alt.pedophile.john-corliss
> alt.troll.john-corliss
> alt.bonehead.john-corliss
> alt.comp.freeware.corliss.controlled.taliban.hell
> alt.idiot-savant.without-the.savant-part.john-corliss
> alt.turd-burglar.john-corliss
>
> Over and out

--
I lurk, therefore I am. If I post, I am iNcReDuLoUs.

Franklin

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Dec 31, 2007, 10:58:17 AM12/31/07
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On Mon 31 Dec 2007 11:49:31, hummingbird <hummi...@2die4.com>
wrote:
>
> On 31 Dec 2007 06:26:13 GMT 'elaich'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>"Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in
>>news:47782ff6$0$5200$afc38c87 @news.optusnet.com.au:
>>
>>> FYI, instead of shooting your mouth off, you'd do well to check
>>> my previous posts and my IP to see that I'm not Chris nor his
>>> sockpuppet.
>>
>>I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using
>>the current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly
>>Chris-like.
>>
>>You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
>>filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.
>
> elaich, who the fcuk is Chris? Have you caught Franklin's disease?
>
> Maybe I should start addressing you as 'LH'?
>


Hummingbird, using the name "Chris" it's just a little joke we have
around here. It's nothing important.

Why not just ignore it? After all, it's makes no difference to you if
you're not actually called "Chris".

Hold on! Wait a minute! You ARE called Chris. Oh gosh! ....

You must have clean forgotten you used to wail, bleat, screech, cry,
yelp and squawk over what you called "being stalked". You even got so
upset you wanted to inform the international police and do all sorts of
similar amazing things to uphold your honor.

It seems the only problem you had was that Jon had found some public
information which you had posted about yourself, Chris Millbank.

I guess you must have forgotten all that ever happened. Silly old you!

Now if you're not Chris Millbank then why bother to "correct" anyone who
thinks you are Chris Millbank? Surely it wouldn't make any difference
at all to you if people got the name wrong because the name wouldn't be
a reference to you.

There's something about the logic of your statements which somehow just
doesn't ring true.

Anyway, until then maybe you can permit us to have our little joke about
"Chris". Or would that be too close to the truth for a recurrent
abusive, damaging and insulting sockpuppeteer who needs to hide their
true identity, just like you Chris?

Enjoy the rest of today.

Franklin

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 11:33:37 AM12/31/07
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On 31 Dec 2007 15:46:03 GMT 'Marjory (aka iNcReDuLoUs)'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>hummingbird <hummi...@2die4.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Dec 2007 06:26:13 GMT 'elaich'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>>>I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using the
>>>current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly
>>>Chris-like.
>>>
>>>You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
>>>filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.
>>
>> elaich, who the fcuk is Chris? Have you caught Franklin's disease?
>
>Google: http://preview.tinyurl.com/34p8to
>

>Christopher Millbank <tou...@jetinho.plus.con> wrote in
>news:263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1:


Yes yes Marjory, but that is not evidence as you have been asked
to provide FOUR times now to support your claim. I used that name
deliberately to kick Corliss in the balls *as I explained to him at
the time*, but which you have conveniently by-passed. hhmmm.
I wonder why.


Now run along Marjory and find yourself a new game to play.
I won't see your response because you are going back into my
killfile to keep your k00k friend Franklin company.

bye bye forever.


[rest of your interminable drivel binned]

I leave you with this:

--
Franklin's whopping BIG LIE of 2007:


"I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
<Franklin>, ACF, 23-Nov-2007

...but...but...

The complete list of Franklin's sockpuppets used
on ACF during 2007 (about 50):

-Dec/2007-:
Poppinjay <no...@nowhere.invalid>
Cecil SeaSerpent <ce...@beanyland.net>
4Hummingbird
Franklin-post1
Franklin-post2
Franklin-post3
Franklin-post4
Franklin-post5
Franklin-post6

-Oct/2007-:
The Angel of Evil

-July 2007-:
Franklin .
Franklin.
Frankli n
To Laurie
Franklin to hummingbird
coco
Franklin ZORG
<frank...@no.mail.please>
<frank...@no.mail>
[each of the above used one of the e-mail addies]

Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.no.to.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <fran....@no.spam.please>
[note the extra space added]

Franklin Smith <frank...@nope.to.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Srnith <frnk...@no.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]

Franklin Smith <frank...@onspam.please>
Franklin Smith <fran...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.sparm.please>
Franklin Smith <frahk...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@smith.spam.please>
Franklin Srnith <frank...@no.to.all.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]

Franklin Smith <ffrraan...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin S <frank....@his.PC.invalid>
Franklin Smith <frann...@no.to.spam.please>
Franklin <frank....@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank.sa...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank....@no.place>
Franklin Smith <frank...@only.spam.is.killed>
Franklin likes freeware <frank...@no.mail.please>
Franklin <frankl...@no.mail.please>
Franklin <frankl...@gmail.com>
Franklin <frank...@no.mail.please>

iNcReDuLoUs

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Dec 31, 2007, 11:51:16 AM12/31/07
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hummingbird <hummi...@2die4.com> wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2007 06:26:13 GMT 'elaich'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>

>>I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using the
>>current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly
>>Chris-like.
>>
>>You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
>>filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.
>
> elaich, who the fcuk is Chris? Have you caught Franklin's disease?

Google: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2pk2a2

Christopher Millbank <tou...@jeitinho.plus.com> aka hummingbird wrote in

news:483a71b0fac32d6d...@localhost.127.0.0.1:

> Path: authen.yellow.readfreenews.net!green.octanews.net!
> news-out.octanews.net!news.glorb.com!news.kjsl.com!
> newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xt-sjc-02!sn-xt-sjc-07!sn-post-sjc-02!


> sn-post-ams-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
> From: Christopher Millbank <tou...@jeitinho.plus.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles.victory
> Subject: Re: John Corliss [ALERT] (crossposting removed)

> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:19:29 +0000
> Organization:
> Message-ID: <483a71b0fac32d6d...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> References: <Xns9A03BB6B6...@85.114.133.75>

> <fjluf...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> <Xns9A04A07A1...@85.214.90.236>
> <fjocma...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> <emteedee-CACE20...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>
> <13mb756...@corp.supernews.com>
> <ba4b24ed22355af9...@local.127.0.0.1>
> <13md7eq...@corp.supernews.com>
> <844901d2fa9e73dc...@localhost.127.0.0.1>

> <13mmv6h...@corp.supernews.com> <Xns9A10520...@127.0.0.1>


> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Complaints-To: ab...@supernews.com

> Lines: 67
> Xref: authen.yellow.readfreenews.net rec.motorcycles.victory:751
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:30:13 GMT 'Franklin'
> wrote this on rec.motorcycles.victory:
>
>>On Fri 21 Dec 2007 08:43:57, John Corliss wrote:
>>
>>> humming.bird wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (snipped the long and very tedious pack of complete lies and
>>>> trolling) -Happy Christmas-
>>>>
>>>
>>> With all the "ROFL" you do, I wonder if you'll have time to
>>> experience Christmas at all. And as you "ROFL", I hope you don't
>>> hit your head on a table leg too hard. At least no harder than it
>>> takes to give you a permanent inability to use a computer.


>>>
>>> You can post whatever you like but I will ignore it. You're now
>>> officially killfiled in this group as well.
>>>

>>> But then of course, you won't take that hint, will you? You'll just
>>> use another sock puppet like you always do. That's because you're a
>>> troll just like Mabbett, and a stalker. However, your idiocy can't
>>> hold a candle to his trolling expertise.
>>>
>>> Why don't you go back to anonymously sporging newsgroups. Maybe
>>> that will keep you busy, punk.
>>>
>>> Over and out.
>>>
>>
>>
>>Hi John
>>
>>I saw you pinged me in another group
>
> [..]
>
>>Franklin
>
>
> Listen up Franklin ... or is The Evil Angel ... or is it ... hhmmm.
>
> Anyway, when you are summoned to appear here by Mr John Corliss
> to help him get out of a huge hole he's dug for himself, you are
> expected to arrive promptly, not to take two days. Please remember
> that in future. Lol.
>
> Meanwhile, I have binned your usual blatherings unread.
>
> I can't wait for you to have your full frontal lobotomy.
> Hopefully Usenet might get more sense out of you.
>
> Rotfl.
>
> --

> "I will continue to do as I like and neither you,
> nor anybody else, will stop me"

> <John Corliss>, ACF, 7-Dec-2007
>
> "The person who is responsible needs to be beaten so badly
> that when he wakes up, his clothes will be out of style."
> <John Corliss>, ACF, 2-Dec-2007


>
> Franklin's whopping BIG LIE of 2007:

> "I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
> <Franklin>, ACF, 23-Nov-2007

--

Franklin

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Dec 31, 2007, 12:48:51 PM12/31/07
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On Mon 31 Dec 2007 16:33:37, hummingbird <hummi...@2die4.com> wrote:

>>Christopher Millbank <tou...@jetinho.plus.con> wrote in
>>news:263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1:
>
>
> Yes yes Marjory, but that is not evidence as you have been asked
> to provide FOUR times now to support your claim. I used that name
> deliberately to kick Corliss in the balls *as I explained to him at
> the time*, but which you have conveniently by-passed. hhmmm.
> I wonder why.

Hummingbird, is this yet another example of your hypocrisy?

You have yelped like a bitch in heat at the fact that John Corliss is
not afraid to meet you in person. You have exaggerated his statement
and claimed it means John has made a direct threat of violence towards
you. You have yelped endlessly about the exaggeration.

And yet now you make make an outright statement of violent intentions
towards the same person.

I guess this is just more hypocrisy from you.

Franklin

--

iNcReDuLoUs

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Dec 31, 2007, 2:58:41 PM12/31/07
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Franklin <th...@mail.is.invalid> wrote:

One of Chris Millbank's favorite Cardinal Rules of Usenet is apparently,
"Do unto others, but whine and complain when they do the same unto you".
Another of hummingbird's rules seems to be, "Deny the truth to the best of
your ability". He seldom breaks those two. Good on him.

hummingbird as Millbank as hummingbird:
Google: http://preview.tinyurl.com/34p8to
Google: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2pk2a2

Ron May

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Dec 31, 2007, 3:19:56 PM12/31/07
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On 31 Dec 2007 19:58:41 GMT, iNcReDuLoUs <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> One of Chris Millbank's favorite Cardinal Rules of Usenet is apparently,
> "Do unto others, but whine and complain when they do the same unto you".
> Another of hummingbird's rules seems to be, "Deny the truth to the best of
> your ability". He seldom breaks those two. Good on him.

Or, "Do unto others, then claim to be the victim and that others are
the persecutors when they hold you to account for your actions."

--
Ron M.
(I filter Googlespam)

iNcReDuLoUs

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Dec 31, 2007, 3:37:17 PM12/31/07
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Ron May <may...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yes, that's sounds like one of his too. I'm surprised he hasn't compiled a
list of his usenet rules on a plus.com web site. It would help the world
understand him.

Now if he only understood the world...

Me.Here

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Dec 31, 2007, 4:17:02 PM12/31/07
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Pfft, even Thunderbird and MSIE have a Bozo Bins, your point? Since I'm
kill-filed, this is more of a response to the group to let them know how
much of a tin foil hat wearer you are.

After reading iNcRdDuLoUs posts about Christopher Millbank (I'm assuming
that's the person you're referring to), let me point out - *I'M NOT EVEN
IN THE SAME COUNTRY AS HIM, YOU TWIT* so how could I be his sockpuppet.
If you'd bothered to check my NNTP-Posting-Host, you'd have realised
that. Go put your tin foil hat back on, it may clear your head, better
yet, keep me kill-filed then I won't have to waste my time responding to
your obviously deranged views.

As for the rest of your waffle, yes, you're correct - this is the only
group I post to using that nym (or versions of that nym). There's a
reason for that and it started way back when ACF first came up with the
idea of a pricelessware list and the infighting began with Andy Mabbett.
Since then, I come back every couple of years to see if things have
changed in ACF and if I've missed anything. As far as I can tell,
nothings changed except the names/nym of twits like yourself.

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 4:30:06 PM12/31/07
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:19:56 -0600 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>Or, "Do unto others, then claim to be the victim and that others are
>the persecutors when they hold you to account for your actions."

I'm sure you don't agree with that opinion of yourself Ron.

--
"I've never, NOT ONCE threatened ANYBODY in this group"
<John Corliss>, ACF, 26-Dec-2007 ... but ... but ... but

"The person who is responsible needs to be beaten so badly
that when he wakes up, his clothes will be out of style."
<John Corliss>, ACF, 2-Dec-2007

"I will continue to do as I like and neither you, nor anybody else,

hummingbird

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Dec 31, 2007, 5:13:41 PM12/31/07
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 08:17:02 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>elaich wrote:


>> "Me.Here" <me.here@home_on_the.net> wrote in news:47782ff6$0$5200$afc38c87
>> @news.optusnet.com.au:
>>
>>> FYI, instead of shooting your mouth off, you'd do well to check my
>>> previous posts and my IP to see that I'm not Chris nor his sockpuppet.
>>
>> I did that. This is the only group you have ever posted to (using the
>> current nym, anyway) and a number of your posts looks decidedly Chris-like.
>>
>> You're killfiled now (using old, outdated Xnews and it's marvelous
>> filtering powers) so don't even waste your breath replying.
>
>Pfft, even Thunderbird and MSIE have a Bozo Bins, your point? Since I'm
>kill-filed, this is more of a response to the group to let them know how
>much of a tin foil hat wearer you are.
>

>After reading iNcRdDuLoUs (aka Marjory) posts

Rotfl. That definitely puts you into the k00k category.

bye bye

Happy New Year.

--

"I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"

Franklin

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Dec 31, 2007, 5:45:29 PM12/31/07
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On Mon 31 Dec 2007 20:37:17, iNcReDuLoUs <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:


iNcReDuLoUs, I tend to think Humming-bleat does in fact understand
the world. I think he knows perfectly well how normal people behave.

But somehow Humming-k00k feels he doesn't have to behave in the same
way. He seems to feel he can break all the normal rules of social
behavior provided he manages to get his way.

Humming-Chris seems to operate according to some very fixed anti-
social values because he seems quite unable to restrain his deviant
actions even when they cause him and others problems. He's forever
deceitful, consistently irresponsible, disrespects others, fails to
conforms to most social norms, and is always ready with an aberrant
rationalization of why he is acting correctly.

If he does reply to this posting I suspect you'll see Humming-loser
is probably extremely proud of his deviant traits because he thinks
the rest of the population are poor souls who are conditioned by the
norms of a nasty society whereas he is the true independent spirit of
humanity.

No wonder there isn't a single newsgroup which has ever welcomed his
presence. He is the perennial outsider.

AlleyCat

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Dec 31, 2007, 10:07:10 PM12/31/07
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In article <47771aa0$0$31016$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
me.here@home_on_the.net says...
> With the amount of sporge coming in, it's either get a decent newsreader
> or unsubscribe from the group so I need some suggestions of newsreader
> software with good (non-score based) filtering rules. So far I've tried:
>
> MS-OE
> Thunderbird
> XanaNews
> MesNews
> Opera
> 40tude Dialog
> Microplanet Gravity

I checked many of the sporge postings and noticed they were cross-posted
to at least 2 groups, so I set Gravity to discard messages cross-posted
to more than one group. I don't live or die by this group, or others,
for that matter, so I don't mind "missing out" on anyone's posts that
are cross-posted.

Al

Me.Here

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Jan 1, 2008, 12:04:31 AM1/1/08
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Thanks AlleyCat and I'm in the same position as you - I don't need to
see everyones posts. I'm now using nfilter with the following:

alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@infoave.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@mail.telepac.pt
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@mchsi.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@midco.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@newsdemon.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@proxad.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@rcn.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@retail.telecomitalia.it
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@rr.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@suddenlink.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@usenetserver.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ab...@videotron.ca
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:groups...@google.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE
X-Complaints-To:http://netreport.virginmedia.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:ne...@qwest.net
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:news...@hanaro.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:use...@news.cn99.com
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:use...@retelit.it
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:use...@tpi.pl
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE X-Complaints-To:usenet...@mtu.ru
alt.comp.freeware FLAG:SPORGE NNTP-Posting-Host:cdn-jrc-c2100-02.tm.net.my

This enables me to tag (puts "SPORGE" in the subject) all the messages
coming from those servers and then I just use Thunderbirds inbuilt
filters to do with them as I see fit. I hardly see any now so mission
accomplished.

hummingbird

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Jan 1, 2008, 7:24:13 AM1/1/08
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:04:31 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>I'm now using nfilter with the following:

I don't know what you mean by "do with them as I see fit", but
your list will evaporate a lot of genuine posts if you simply drop
them en masse in TBird.

Daniel Mandic

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Jan 1, 2008, 8:59:22 AM1/1/08
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hummingbird wrote:

> That makes a lot of sense Daniel. The only alternative is to do what
> I try to do which is to create quite detailed filters to catch the
> bad guys, but not the good guys.

Well, but as I have reminded. I saw posting by regulars in ACF, who
were never here since..., AFAIK.

Now this subscriber (from England, so much I dare to say openly)
would post to ACF. You'll miss any posting by him, and eventually in
any other NG, too. I don't know how that filter scripts work....

Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

hummingbird

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Jan 1, 2008, 11:16:14 AM1/1/08
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On 01 Jan 2008 13:59:22 GMT 'Daniel Mandic'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>hummingbird wrote:


>
>> That makes a lot of sense Daniel. The only alternative is to do what
>> I try to do which is to create quite detailed filters to catch the
>> bad guys, but not the good guys.
>
>Well, but as I have reminded. I saw posting by regulars in ACF, who
>were never here since..., AFAIK.

I think the term regulars should mean people who post regularly over
a period of time, although I suspect that some of the cult gang have
a different definition which excludes people they dislike and
includes their cronies who are not actually regular posters.


>Now this subscriber (from England, so much I dare to say openly)
>would post to ACF. You'll miss any posting by him, and eventually in
>any other NG, too. I don't know how that filter scripts work....

?
I use filters which operate on a variety of different headers and I
usually check my messagebase on ACF (12+ months) to whitelist good
guys who may have similar headers. In some cases I use boolean
filters to operate on several unique headers to catch posters like
Franklin who change their headers to bypass my filters.

Me.Here

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Jan 1, 2008, 3:46:56 PM1/1/08
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Quite true (it catches genuine posters) but as I pointed out, nfilter
just tags the subject - it doesn't delete (drop) them. This is done
deliberately so they can be worked on further by T-birds inbuilt
filtering which will decide what's needed to be deleted. I guess I
could always build a whitelist of regular posters but as I said in a
previous post, I'm happy not to see every post from every poster.

That said, I updated the filter last night and added the following to
specifically drop any posts from the names below as well as any posts
cross posted to more than 3 groups so there's a possibility I will
delete genuine posts but it's small enough for me not to worry about:

* drop From:Abdel
* drop From:Abduljalil
* drop From:Abdullah
* drop From:Alhadin
* drop From:Feyd
* drop From:Hakeem
* drop From:Hakim
* drop From:Hamid
* drop From:Hussein
* drop From:Ibraheem
* drop From:Ibrahim
* drop From:Iman
* drop From:Imran
* drop From:Islam
* drop From:Khalid
* drop From:Mahammed
* drop From:Moammar
* drop From:Mohammad
* drop From:Mohammed
* drop From:Muhammad
* drop From:Moustapha
* drop From:Mustafa
* drop From:Mustapha
* drop From:Osama
* drop From:Rasheed
* drop From:Rashid
* drop From:Saad
* drop From:Shah
* drop From:Waleed
* drop xref:*:*:*:*

It's working like a charm :-)

hummingbird

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Jan 1, 2008, 5:16:35 PM1/1/08
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:46:56 +1100 'Me.Here'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

If it works, that's fine. Although I would add that many of the
sporge I see use names other than those you've listed.
I reckon I've got my own filters down to a fine art now where
only the crap is dropped, and I do it using whitelists.

DrumStick

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Jan 5, 2008, 4:46:02 PM1/5/08
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Ralph Fox was thinking very hard :
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:13:30 +1100, in message
> <4777451a$0$10313$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, Me.Here wrote:
>
>>
>> I've tried about 4 times now (http://www.nfilter.org/download.html) and
>> it still comes up with a "not a valid Win32 application" error.
>
>
> The downloads from http://www.nfilter.org/download.html are 1 byte short,
> and so XP won't run them.
>
>
> The real file size should be an _exact_ multiple of 512 bytes.
>
>
> Try downloading from another mirror site, such as
>
> (2) http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/
> (3) http://west.porterfield.net/nfilter/
> (4) http://troll-busters.0catch.com/gen/ [website uses Java]

Thank you! I had given up finding this one.

Drum--


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