The true cost of freeware
John Stubbings
Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
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Iapetus
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> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
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> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
Didn't Microsoft donate millions to a senator or some lobbyists group
who tried to pass a bill outlawing open source software? Stating it
helps terrorists.
Or was that an urban myth?
Mark Warner
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> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
"We also felt vulnerable to security breaches because of the less
stringent authentication protocols compared with Microsoft Windows."
What little credibility this guy may have had went out the Window <g>
with this statement.
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Mark Warner
SimplyMEPIS Linux v6.5
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
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>Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
>http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
in a one-to-one interview?
It's just that the language used does not seem to me to be feasible in
normal speech (".. incredibly broad, deep network of experienced,
enterprise-savvy partners .."), it seems more like carefully prepared
written propaganda.
Actually, it is similar to BB Speak, and I am surprised he didn't use
the word "awesome".
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Roger Hunt
Mark Warner
I detest such from them and theirs. And it's ilk.
John Stubbings
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:14:46 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
I thought that might wake some of you up, and of course it's MS propaganda
and reads 50% bullshit just like some of the stuff from the other side :),
but there was a point to this, because it got me thinking.
I have a problem. It's me. I'm basically tight. In business that can be a
good thing but also a bad thing. Sometimes I should buy software because
the pay for product is the right business decision, and I don't or I do
after wasting a load of time, and I regret it.
What I'm looking for myself is a set of guidelines, so that instead of gut
instinct [save money], I apply logic to force that wallet open or not...
I also dither getting that wallet open. I want to just get on with it one
way or the other, these are not life changing decisions.
OK, I'm not that bad really, but I do make mistakes, and I'd like to make
less, and I dither :( and I thought it would be an interesting question.
I'd like to tackle it from both directions.
What makes it a good or bad business decision to go freeware/open source.
What makes it a good or bad business to go the pay for route.
Hopefully we might get some interesting angles on this.
John Corliss
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> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
It's all simply FUD from MS.
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John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to filter all Google Groups posts
because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet,
nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
Phil K
news:ghk5hs$ikk$1...@news.motzarella.org...
From what I heard its not quite as blatant as that, but there is some truth
in the fact that MS tried to blacken no-cost software, and take to court
many to kill them off.
Why Tea
wrote:
> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
>
It's easy to join the gang into the IBM (I Blame Microsoft)
attitude. I think the article is OK in most parts.
Ask yourself these:
1) Why do you still use Windows if you DETEST
MS so much?
2) Will you use MS Office if it's suddenly
become freeware?
Roger Hunt
<Yrrah_use...@themailbox.ca> writes
(snip)
>
>Collaboration problems are caused by M$ with its secrecy, closed
>document formats etc. and of course their too numerous dedicated
>followers and brainless groupies.
>
I don't know about that ....
I re-installed Office97 a few days ago and shortly after that my bank
balance grew by £6,500, by some co-collaborative magic.
I was fascinated by this, so installed Office2000 Pro, and astonishingly
another £11,000 appeared as if by a miracle.
Amazed and delighted beyond belief, I installed Office2003 Trial, and
the next morning received tickets for a three month round the World
cruise with £150,000 spending money, and two nubile female escorts.
Beggared by this cornucopia of riches I installed Office2007 Trial, and
three days later received the property title deeds to the whole of
Manhattan, and lifelong personal tax exemption Worldwide.
I can't wait to try Office2008 ...
--
Roger Hunt
Iapetus
> On Dec 8, 10:14 pm, John Stubbings <anna.riceDELETE-T...@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHir...
>>
>
> It's easy to join the gang into the IBM (I Blame Microsoft)
> attitude. I think the article is OK in most parts.
>
> Ask yourself these:
>
> 1) Why do you still use Windows if you DETEST
> MS so much?
It's not so much as detest Windows, more of a case of detesting the way
MS behaves.
I did try various flavours of Linux on this machine, but there was
always driver issues, and the last time I used an OS that relied on the
CLI so much was the Amiga A500, 14 years ago.
> 2) Will you use MS Office if it's suddenly
> become freeware?
>
I didn't pay for XP or Office. :-)
Lord Possum
TH...@virgin.net says...
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> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
From a Microsoft source: Open Source is killing us as surely as is
a lot of FREEWARE authored by school kid eggheads, college projects,
and even our own retired community.
Lord Possum
Franklin
TH...@virgin.net>:
>
>
> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of
> Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/
> 12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
Next thing we know, the militants amongst the anti-Microsoft
people will make a rejoinder in which they claim:
Speedy Hire gets rid of Linux,
buys in Microsoft,
company starts to get into financial trouble,
has to lay off staff ...
<http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/
construction_and_property/article5240807.ece>
... drags the local economy down,
the whole UK goes into recession,
and so does the whole of planet Earth.
Mark Warner
> Yrrah writes
Now I know what happened to BB's meds.
Nevans
alt.comp.freeware <news:ghk2o6$l1c$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
Just try mentioning "alt.comp.freeware" in a newsgroup on Microsoft's
newsserver. Any post that does so falls in the great, MS newsgroup
bit-bucket.
I found this out in June when discussing Outlook Express keyboard
shortcuts in microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
where one of my replies never appeared no matter how many times I sent
it. I didn't get any error messages; it just disappeared.
I eventually tracked the problem down to the presence of
"alt.comp.freeware" in my post. Microsoft censored it. Once I
shortened the name to "a.c.f.", my message magically got through.
Nancy
Why Tea
So, you simply use it huh? :))
John Stubbings
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:52 GMT, Nevans wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:14:46 +0000, John Stubbings wrote in
> alt.comp.freeware <news:ghk2o6$l1c$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
>
>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
> Just try mentioning "alt.comp.freeware" in a newsgroup on Microsoft's
> newsserver. Any post that does so falls in the great, MS newsgroup
> bit-bucket.
OK, I've just posted there.
See Message-ID: <gho671$cm5$1...@news.motzarella.org>
Let's see if it stays eh!
John Stubbings
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:41:00 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:17:52 GMT, Nevans wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:14:46 +0000, John Stubbings wrote in
>> alt.comp.freeware <news:ghk2o6$l1c$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
>>
>>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>>
>> Just try mentioning "alt.comp.freeware" in a newsgroup on Microsoft's
>> newsserver. Any post that does so falls in the great, MS newsgroup
>> bit-bucket.
>
> OK, I've just posted there.
>
> See Message-ID: <gho671$cm5$1...@news.motzarella.org>
>
> Let's see if it stays eh!
You're right they removed it within a couple of minutes.
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
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Roger Hunt
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John Stubbings
I suspect the string "free" or "freeware" is the issue. I think it's
automatic and not a moderator, because other spam was not removed.
I doubt Microsoft have a particular grudge against alt.comp.freeware... but
who knows...<spooky music> OMG there's a SWAT team outside.. OMG what have
I done...
Roger Hunt
Your coffee tastes a bit different out of this new jar ...
I think BG retired so that he could take himself to Gates Towers and
organise a personal crusade against these anarchic hippies in acf.
(Strange ... why does this toast smell of bitter almonds?)
--
Roger Hunt
John Corliss
> On Dec 8, 10:14 pm, John Stubbings <anna.riceDELETE-T...@virgin.net>
> wrote:
>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHir...
>>
>
> It's easy to join the gang into the IBM (I Blame Microsoft)
> attitude. I think the article is OK in most parts.
>
> Ask yourself these:
>
> 1) Why do you still use Windows if you DETEST
> MS so much?
Because the vast majority of other users do so as well. Just because I
use Windows doesn't mean that I can't detest the way MS does business.
> 2) Will you use MS Office if it's suddenly become freeware?
Not in a million years. It is and always has been so vastly inferior to
Corel WP Suite that it sickens me. And Excel is only a blatant rip-off
of Quattro-Pro.
Why Tea
> >GOOGLER<--- Why Tea wrote:
>
> > On Dec 8, 10:14 pm, John Stubbings <anna.riceDELETE-T...@virgin.net>
> > wrote:
> >> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHir...
>
> > It's easy to join the gang into the IBM (I Blame Microsoft)
> > attitude. I think the article is OK in most parts.
>
> > Ask yourself these:
>
> > 1) Why do you still use Windows if you DETEST
> > MS so much?
>
> Because the vast majority of other users do so as well. Just because I
> use Windows doesn't mean that I can't detest the way MS does business.
That's a valid point.
> > 2) Will you use MS Office if it's suddenly become freeware?
>
> Not in a million years. It is and always has been so vastly inferior to
> Corel WP Suite that it sickens me. And Excel is only a blatant rip-off
> of Quattro-Pro.
I thought it's more like Lotus 123.
I use both OO and MSO. Honestly, MSO is a far
more superior product. Sure MS didn't invent the
Suite and many individual products were released
before MS had anything - WP, 1-2-3, Paradox, etc.
But if we look beyond "the way MS does business",
MSO is indeed the best of its kind today.
John Corliss
> On Dec 10, 1:16 pm, John Corliss <q34ws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >GOOGLER<--- Why Tea wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 8, 10:14 pm, John Stubbings <anna.riceDELETE-T...@virgin.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of Open Source
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHir...
>>> It's easy to join the gang into the IBM (I Blame Microsoft)
>>> attitude. I think the article is OK in most parts.
>>> Ask yourself these:
>>> 1) Why do you still use Windows if you DETEST
>>> MS so much?
>> Because the vast majority of other users do so as well. Just because I
>> use Windows doesn't mean that I can't detest the way MS does business.
>
> That's a valid point.
>
>>> 2) Will you use MS Office if it's suddenly become freeware?
>> Not in a million years. It is and always has been so vastly inferior to
>> Corel WP Suite that it sickens me. And Excel is only a blatant rip-off
>> of Quattro-Pro.
>
> I thought it's more like Lotus 123.
Good point. Quattro Pro was indeed a take off of Lotus 123.
> I use both OO and MSO. Honestly, MSO is a far
> more superior product. Sure MS didn't invent the
> Suite and many individual products were released
> before MS had anything - WP, 1-2-3, Paradox, etc.
> But if we look beyond "the way MS does business",
> MSO is indeed the best of its kind today.
If this is true, it's mainly because of the way that Microsoft ran all
the other companies either out of business or else crippled them so
badly that proper development can't occur. Microsoft Word IS and ALWAYS
HAS BEEN, laughably inept at what it's supposed to do. Microsoft
continually does everything it can, ethical or otherwise, to make sure
that other word processors can't compete with it. I don't have Microsoft
Office or any part of it installed on my computer, never have and never
will. I LOATH MS Office in its entirety. Microsoft was responsible for
getting the college where I worked to switch from WordPerfect to Word
and that made my job so much more difficult that it was one of the
factors that led to me quitting.
Franklin
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:14:46 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of
>> Open Source
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/
>> dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
>
> Just try mentioning "alt.comp.freeware" in a newsgroup on
> Microsoft's newsserver. Any post that does so falls in the
> great, MS newsgroup bit-bucket.
>
At least this post of yours with its reference to
"alt.comp.freeware" is in Google Groups under
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Google Groups finds only 3 references to
"alt.comp.freeware" on all microsoft public groups and that
seems very low. See http://preview.tinyurl.com/5skpzf
A search for "ACF" or "A.C.F." gets about 2000 hits but that
includes hits for Microsoft's Active Content Filtering. So even
that's not high. http://preview.tinyurl.com/67nfdf
I wonder what might be going on.
Even if Microsoft is doing something, Google Groups should
archive all Usenet messages to Microsoft public groups. I
think MS has some web based way of accessing these groups but
as the groups are mirrored or perhaps sourced from the Usenet
then that part is out of MS's hands.
Why Tea
That was drastic. We use a mixture of Framemaker, some
old proprietary mark up language editor, some SGML tool,
WORD, and OO to create our documents. I have seen
people struggle with WORD, but you are the first one who
resigned.
Software is just a tool. If it's up to you, you can pick
whatever you want - freeware or not. But if it's up to
your employer, you'll just have to learn to use
whatever given to you in your work environment.
Of course, unless you quit. In fact, the more you
expose to other software, the better you will become
as a user. Through some setup, macros or scripting
you can perhaps get rid of some of those annoyances.
I can hear someone yelling, "Why should I?". Sure,
like JC, you can quit too.
H-Man
To be sure, Excel may have copied features from Quattro-Pro over the years,
I don't know for sure as I've never really used it, but AFAIK Excel did
beat Quattro-Pro to Windows. Actually some say that Quattro_Pro was a
blatant rip off of BoeingCalc and Lotus actually filed suit against Borland
(Quattro-Pro original developers) for copying the Lotus 123 menu design.
That said, I'm neither defending nor dissing any product in particular, but
the software industry is ripe with rip offs. In the end all spreadsheet
developers ripped off VisiCalc, Although whether or not it was actually
first has been disputed.
Actually the first spreadsheet for the PC was VisiCalc. SuperCalc followed
and then MultiPlan by Microsoft (there may have been others for the PC as
well). This was actually before Lotus 123 made it's debut about 1983. Excel
(1985 for DOS) came later, of course, but was first to Windows AFAIK. Lotus
123 was actually late to the Windows party as it were. Similarily, Word
made it to windows before WP did. I still have the floppy set somewhere of
WP6.0. It had both the Windows and DOS versions included. The Windows
Version was so buggy at release that the DOS version was much preferred.
The DOS version, at the time, was even WYSIWYG. To be sure though, Word did
beat WP to a WYSIWYG interface. That said WP 5.x was IMHO the pinnacle of
non WYSIWYG word processors.
My point, I guess, if there is one, is to just say that, yes MS does copy
features, sometimes actually copy entire applications or feature sets, but
to be fair, Microsoft is not alone there. They were / are arguably most
successful at it.
--
HK
John Corliss
Oh, don't get me wrong, I had no trouble mastering it, it was just that
it sucked so badly and I had to completely redesign so many documents
that I'd previously been using with no problems. Also, there were other
and far more important reasons for my quiting.
> Software is just a tool.
I never said that it was anything else.
> If it's up to you, you can pick
> whatever you want - freeware or not. But if it's up to
> your employer, you'll just have to learn to use
> whatever given to you in your work environment.
No, no you don't. You can always do like I did and tell them to shove it
up their ass.
> Of course, unless you quit. In fact, the more you
> expose to other software, the better you will become
> as a user. Through some setup, macros or scripting
> you can perhaps get rid of some of those annoyances.
> I can hear someone yelling, "Why should I?". Sure,
> like JC, you can quit too.
So I should have forced myself to use Microsoft Word. That wasn't
quitting, it was making a stand.
FUCK Microsoft and the stolen horse they rode in on.
Why Tea
You probably got the satisfaction out of it by doing
so. But you quit at the end, didn't you? Not many could
afford to lose a job like you did.
> > Of course, unless you quit. In fact, the more you
> > expose to other software, the better you will become
> > as a user. Through some setup, macros or scripting
> > you can perhaps get rid of some of those annoyances.
> > I can hear someone yelling, "Why should I?". Sure,
> > like JC, you can quit too.
>
> So I should have forced myself to use Microsoft Word. That wasn't
> quitting, it was making a stand.
>
> FUCK Microsoft and the stolen horse they rode in on.
Wow, you are getting personal with MS, aren't you?
John Corliss
I suppose not. Neither could I really. However, it's all worked out one
way or another. I'd be dead by now if I'd kept the pace I was working at up.
>> FUCK Microsoft and the stolen horse they rode in on.
>
> Wow, you are getting personal with MS, aren't you?
I don't like 'em.
Don Kirkman
<494021fc$0$67964$892e...@auth.newsreader.octanews.com>:
I was using VisiCalc on my Apple II+ with 48KB RAM by around 1982 or
1983. I worked in a financial section for a government agency at the
time, and occasionally took work home to run on the Apple. Before I
left that job we got an IBM PC with, IIRC, a 5MB hard drive and Lotus
1-2-3.
>My point, I guess, if there is one, is to just say that, yes MS does copy
>features, sometimes actually copy entire applications or feature sets, but
>to be fair, Microsoft is not alone there. They were / are arguably most
>successful at it.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
H-Man
/Snip/.
>
> I was using VisiCalc on my Apple II+ with 48KB RAM by around 1982 or
> 1983. I worked in a financial section for a government agency at the
> time, and occasionally took work home to run on the Apple. Before I
> left that job we got an IBM PC with, IIRC, a 5MB hard drive and Lotus
> 1-2-3.
>
Ah, the good ol days. I cut my teeth on Multiplan as far as spreadsheets
go. I'd love to find a copy somewhere, just for nostalgia's sake.
--
HK
Franklin
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote
How is it being removed? I can see a Microsoft sysop removing
it from one of their web based boards which takes a feed from
the Usenet.
However, to get a message removed from Usenet servers would need
something like a Usenet cancel. That would be rich as they are
not the author and the message is not offensive.
Franklin
wrote
Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
basis for almost every event in the news.
I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
John Stubbings
... and that's what's left after filtering the 60% plus racially motivated
postings.
It's a truly hateful place.
John Stubbings
Actually, now it's back again. That really is weird. I'm beginning to think
I'm losing it...
see Message-ID: <gho671$cm5$1...@news.motzarella.org>
Nevans
alt.comp.freeware <news:ghpne3$tdn$1...@news.motzarella.org>:
I found your message on other servers, for example APN and AT&T
WorldNet, but not on Microsoft's server.
Vanguard's reply to your message in that group seems to explain the
situation pretty well. He says he steers clear of MS's server just
because of the filtering they employ. I use Microsoft's server for
their groups but may now change.
Thank for checking this out,
Nancy
Roger Hunt
YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>
>Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
>surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
>self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
>basis for almost every event in the news.
>
>I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and there is the
occasional cross-posted article from there that ends up here.
--
Roger Hunt
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
during their tea break.
--
Roger Hunt
John Stubbings
<paranoia>OK, thanks... thought they were just out to get me, <slowly pulls
backs curtains, keeping outta sight...> crikey! what are those geezers in
the BMW across the road doing... shit.... ah! it OK, the're just the guys
running the crack den two doors down .... phew!</paranoia>
Roger Hunt
mile away, and sometimes even the Police notice them and haul them in.
And do they think that those dark windows make the whole vehicle
invisible?
Anyway, a crack den next door isn't as bad as a Labour Party
constituency office, for instance.
That's a point - who lives directly next door? Brothel?
--
Roger Hunt
Chris Millbank
>> Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
>> surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
>> self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
>> basis for almost every event in the news.
>>
>> I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>> that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>
> ... and that's what's left after filtering the 60% plus racially motivated
> postings.
>
> It's a truly hateful place.
Indeed, spot on, and FranlinSlime is posting under my hummingbird name
there. He's truly wratched.
Craig
> Microsoft Gives Businesses Lower TCO Versus Hidden Costs of
> Open Source
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2008/dec08/12-03SpeedyHireQA.mspx
[After having read & washed my hands /thoroughly/]
Excellent morality play. The more I regard the turns of the phrase,
the more I like the author. I mean, this piece is
practically a Jungian archetype. Bravo!
1) It's scary out there
2) MS represents:
a) stability
b) loving, strong family
c) strategic thinking
3) Open Sauce represents:
a) "...lots of little niggly things"
b) "...rudimentary, bare-bones functionality"
c) "...restricted...confined...left us feeling exposed"
d) penny-wise & pound-foolish
Conclusion: Son recognizes errant ways, returns to family fold &
filial piety.
> What makes it a good or bad business decision to go freeware/open
> source.
>
> What makes it a good or bad business to go the pay for route.
Right off the bat, let me state the obvious: it would be a bad business
decision to assume that "free" meant "no cost." Also, let me treat
Free/Open Source Software (foss) and not /freeware/. So now we have:
What makes it a good decision to go foss?
I'm too lazy to recreate the wheel. <g> The best guide I've seen on the
subject is written by a proponent of open source who happens to use
rational methodologies. It's by David Wheeler and is called "Why Open
Source Software / Free Software (OSS/FS, FLOSS, or FOSS)? Look at the
Numbers!"
Apart from the peripatetic title, it reads fairly well.
<http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html>
I'd recommend going straight to Section 14, "Conclusions." A couple of
snippets...
hth,
-Craig
> OSS/FS has significant market share in many markets, is often the
> most reliable software, and in many cases has the best performance.
> OSS/FS scales, both in problem size and project size. OSS/FS software
> often has far better security, perhaps due to the possibility of
> worldwide review. Total cost of ownership for OSS/FS is often far
> less than proprietary software, especially as the number of platforms
> increases. These statements are not merely opinions; these effects
> can be shown quantitatively, using a wide variety of measures. This
> doesn’t even consider other issues that are hard to measure, such as
> freedom from control by a single source, freedom from licensing
> management (with its accompanying risk of audit and litigation),
> Organizations can transition to OSS/FS in part or in stages, which
> for many is a far more practical transition approach.
hummingbird
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:33 +0000 'Roger Hunt'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
[apols for piggybacking]
>In article <Xns9B7134C...@204.153.245.20>, Franklin <see_my_REPL
>YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>>
>>Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
>>surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
>>self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
>>basis for almost every event in the news.
Franklin,
Nobody asked you to read uk.p.m. nor to post vacuous rubbish there
as hummingbird. If you don't like the issues being discussed, the
answer is simple. You don't need me to tell you that.
>Agreed - it is more likely to be only 94% of events. (Really!)
Roger,
Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to uk.p.m.
using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to draw attention to
himself by spreading his slime there from ACF.
>>I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>>that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and there is the
>occasional cross-posted article from there that ends up here.
Afaik the only person who crossposts to uk.p.m is Franklin
which triggers the occasional sharp rebuke.
Odd that he posts there given his obvious dislike of it.
--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
John Stubbings
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:08:05 +0000, [Gollum] hummingbird wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:33 +0000 'Roger Hunt'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
> [apols for piggybacking]
>
>>In article <Xns9B7134C...@204.153.245.20>, Franklin <see_my_REPL
>>YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>>>
>>>Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
>>>surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
>>>self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
>>>basis for almost every event in the news.
>
> Franklin,
> Nobody asked you to read uk.p.m. nor to post vacuous rubbish there
> as hummingbird. If you don't like the issues being discussed, the
> answer is simple. You don't need me to tell you that.
>
>>Agreed - it is more likely to be only 94% of events. (Really!)
>
> Roger,
> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to uk.p.m.
> using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to draw attention to
> himself
I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that what he's really
trying to do is draw attention to you...
> by spreading his slime there from ACF.
>
>>>I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>>>that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>
>>Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and there is the
>>occasional cross-posted article from there that ends up here.
>
> Afaik the only person who crossposts to uk.p.m is Franklin
> which triggers the occasional sharp rebuke.
>
> Odd that he posts there given his obvious dislike of it.
I refer the 'honorable gentleman'[sic] to the reply I gave earlier...
Chris Millbank
>> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to uk.p.m.
>> using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to draw attention to
>> himself
>
> I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that what he's really
> trying to do is draw attention to you...
He's slime and not that smart.
--
Watch what toys you give your children, these made me gay!
http://tr.im/25tn
Franklin
>
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:33 +0000 'Roger Hunt'
>
>>>
>>> surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe
>>> dastardly self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually
>>> political) are the basis for almost every event in the news.
>
> Franklin,
> Nobody asked you to read uk.p.m. nor to post vacuous rubbish
> there as hummingbird. If you don't like the issues being
> discussed, the answer is simple. You don't need me to tell you
> that.
>
>>Agreed - it is more likely to be only 94% of events. (Really!)
>
> Roger,
> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to
> uk.p.m. using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to draw
> attention to himself by spreading his slime there from ACF.
>>> I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>>> that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>>
>> Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and
>> there is the occasional cross-posted article from there that
>> ends up here.
>
> Afaik the only person who crossposts to uk.p.m is Franklin
> which triggers the occasional sharp rebuke.
>
> Odd that he posts there given his obvious dislike of it.
Hello Hummingbird/Chris,
This is Hummingbird/Franklin of UPM. I fear you may have
misunderstood my point. I stated above that there is in UPM a
surprisingly large proportion of posters (you included) who see
dastardly self-serving malign ulterior motives for almost every
event in the news.
Don't you feel it's a sad situation that so much cynicism, sneering
and bitterness is each day poured out in order to malign or blame
one and all. It must surely have some effect on the indivduals
most involved in this who I am certain may assure us that we others
are not properly seeing all the strategems, ploys and malice of
these public figures.
Thus speaks those who in extreme cases later get diagnosed as
paranoid.
I'm sad for these people rather than disliking them.
As for crossposting, of course I'm not the only crossposter as you
glibly assert. As few as four days ago a thread called "Help" was
started with a crosspost to ACF & UPM. People were still posting
to it yesterday. Perhaps you chose to overlook that one.
I understand how you don't want your past enemies on ACF and UPM
(and you seem to have many) to link up. However it is hardly a
good reason for a legitimate crosspost to be supressed.
Seasons greetings.
Franklin
Franklin
<chrismillb...@gmail.com> wrote
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:30:39 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>>> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to
>>> uk.p.m. using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to
>>> draw attention to himself
>>
>> I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that
>> what he's really trying to do is draw attention to you...
>
> He's slime and not that smart.
Nice to see your post Chris. Can I ask you a personal question?
Do you have any more interesting holiday photos like the ones
you showed us some time ago?
A year or so ago you proudly posted these pictures of your
encounters with transvestite prostitutes in Thailand.
http://i32.tinypic.com/mr7a1e.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/348irkn.jpg
This summer you published this picture of yourself:
http://i34.tinypic.com/2rxfv9d.jpg
Someone took this picture of you at the Olympics this year.
http://i37.tinypic.com/f24i8k.jpg
Do you have any more intersting pictures you might care to
publish?
Franklin
Interesting and detailed article.
Fear, uncertainty and doubt was used in the early days of the
computer industry and, in the case of Microsoft, it doesn't seem
to have gone away.
Good ol' Microsoft still tries to herd their user base into
prematurely using new operating systems.
Ironically, those users who readily follow MS's guidance in
order to avoid the FUD end up with a different sort of FUD of
unfinished new releases and a treadmill of endless bug fixes.
hummingbird
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:30:39 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:08:05 +0000, [Gollum] hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:14:33 +0000 'Roger Hunt'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
>> [apols for piggybacking]
>>
>>>In article <Xns9B7134C...@204.153.245.20>, Franklin <see_my_REPL
>>>YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>>>>
>>>>Five minutes spent reading uk.politics.misc reveals a
>>>>surprisingly large proportion of posters who believe dastardly
>>>>self-serving malign ulterior motives (usually political) are the
>>>>basis for almost every event in the news.
>>
>> Franklin,
>> Nobody asked you to read uk.p.m. nor to post vacuous rubbish there
>> as hummingbird. If you don't like the issues being discussed, the
>> answer is simple. You don't need me to tell you that.
>>
>>>Agreed - it is more likely to be only 94% of events. (Really!)
>>
>> Roger,
>> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to uk.p.m.
>> using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to draw attention to
>> himself
>
>
>I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that what he's really
>trying to do is draw attention to you...
To the extent that anybody can explain Franklin's behaviour,
why do you suppose he does it for this reason?
>> by spreading his slime there from ACF.
>>
>>>>I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>>>>that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>>
>>>Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and there is the
>>>occasional cross-posted article from there that ends up here.
>>
>> Afaik the only person who crossposts to uk.p.m is Franklin
>> which triggers the occasional sharp rebuke.
>>
>> Odd that he posts there given his obvious dislike of it.
>
>
>I refer the 'honorable gentleman'[sic] to the reply I gave earlier...
Yes, I read bits of your other reply but IMO you are wrong.
Your comments were based upon a lack of understanding.
John Stubbings
I have no lack of understanding on the function of killfiles...
Yours is leaking yet again...
You forgot you usual prefix... "oh! how did you creep around...<some lame
excuse> before I go <blah> back in you go <yawn> blah"...
hummingbird
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:48:42 +0000 'John Stubbings'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:33:25 +0000, [Gollum] hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:30:39 +0000 'John Stubbings' wrote:
>>>I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that what he's really
>>>trying to do is draw attention to you...
>> To the extent that anybody can explain Franklin's behaviour,
>> why do you suppose he does it for this reason?
I take it you have no response to this.
Why make vacuous comments that you cannot explain?
>>>> by spreading his slime there from ACF.
>>>>
>>>>>>I know a healthy skepticism is one thing but some posters in
>>>>>>that group have an astonishingly deep distrust of everybody.
>>>>
>>>>>Yea - I can believe that without going there to look, and there is the
>>>>>occasional cross-posted article from there that ends up here.
>>>>
>>>> Afaik the only person who crossposts to uk.p.m is Franklin
>>>> which triggers the occasional sharp rebuke.
>>>>
>>>> Odd that he posts there given his obvious dislike of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>I refer the 'honorable gentleman'[sic] to the reply I gave earlier...
>>
>> Yes, I read bits of your other reply but IMO you are wrong.
>> Your comments were based upon a lack of understanding.
>I have no lack of understanding on the function of killfiles...
>
>Yours is leaking yet again...
>
>You forgot you usual prefix... "oh! how did you creep around...<some lame
>excuse> before I go <blah> back in you go <yawn> blah"...
Duh! You obviously failed to spot that YOUR previous comments were
addressed to ME. Now you change the subject by moaning that I
replied to them.
John Stubbings
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:12:05 +0000, [Gollum] hummingbird wrote:
> I take it you have no response to this.
> Why make vacuous comments that you cannot explain?
It's a fair cop but hanging out on uk.politics.misc is to blame...
Franklin
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> wrote
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:12:05 +0000, [Gollum] hummingbird
> wrote:
>
>> I take it you have no response to this.
>> Why make vacuous comments that you cannot explain?
>
>
> It's a fair cop but hanging out on uk.politics.misc is to
> blame...
>
John, I've found that if one removes their own deflector shields
then U.P.M. will corrupt the fairest, brightest and most honest of
minds within a matter of hours.
Please take care to wear protection when visiting else you may turn
into a paranoid, unscrupulous and venomous hatemonger like
Hummingbird/Chris.
You certainly wouldn't want to turn into that Gollum-like creature.
http://foreverloyal.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/gollum.jpg
Roger Hunt
LYTO_...@null.invalid> writes
--
Roger Hunt
John Stubbings
This is getting very confusing. So tell me, are you saying Hummingbird who
is also aracari but not hummingbird on upm is also John Gummer the famous
conservative MP who played Gollum sans makeup in Lord of the fleas as an
unscrupulous and venomous hatemonger who lusted after Frodo's ring.
Usenet never ceases to amaze me...
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
>Usenet never ceases to amaze me...
>
--
Roger Hunt
John Stubbings
Cor, great some real facts in this sea of confusion, I knew it, I just knew
it, so to extrapolate, hummingbird[the acf one] is really John Gummer
therefore logically he owns very muddy wellies which of course points
directly [do not pass GO do not collect £200] to his luddite ancestry which
in turn is conclusive proof he is just trying to bring down the mechanical
monster and our great leader 'Mr Brown' in order to free us all from
tyranny, so he really is [in his mind at least] <aria> the people's unsung
hero </aria>... <scratch>
I feel a Robb comin' on
>>Usenet never ceases to amaze me...
>>
> This is nothing. I understand upm is really raunchy.
abelard is a riot ...
Franklin
wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> I take it you have no response to this.
>>>>>> Why make vacuous comments that you cannot explain?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a fair cop but hanging out on uk.politics.misc is to
>>>>> blame...
>>>>
>>>> John, I've found that if one removes their own deflector
>>>> shields then U.P.M. will corrupt the fairest, brightest and
>>>> most honest of minds within a matter of hours.
>>>> Please take care to wear protection when visiting else you
>>>> may turn into a paranoid, unscrupulous and venomous
>>>> hatemonger like Hummingbird/Chris. You certainly wouldn't
>>>> want to turn into that Gollum-like creature.
>>>>http://foreverloyal.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/gollum.jpg
>>>>
>>> It's worse than that - it's John Gummer.
>>
>> This is getting very confusing. So tell me, are you saying
>> Hummingbird who is also aracari but not hummingbird on upm is
>> also John Gummer the famous conservative MP who played Gollum
>> sans makeup in Lord of the fleas as an unscrupulous and
>> venomous hatemonger who lusted after Frodo's ring.
>>
> Krekt - it would make a fabulous dramatic opera.
>
>>
>>Usenet never ceases to amaze me...
>
> This is nothing. I understand upm is really raunchy.
Go and have a look. U.P.M. is a broad church and permits all
sort of opinions although many are weighted towards the right.
Chris Millbank seems to think anyone from A.C.F. who posts there
is an heretical interloper acting without permission! Of
course, anyone can post there.
John Stubbings
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:01:50 GMT, Franklin wrote:
> --
> The best of the best in Freeware
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
Nice sig.
Roger Hunt
this epic production. Y'know, Kate Winslet as buxom cobblers daughter,
but Gummer never quite gets his hands on her (I do).
Villagers storm Browns eerie gloomy castle and do him in, and destroy
his evil laboratory full of jars of gestating Cabinet ministers.
--
Roger Hunt
Roger Hunt
YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>On Fri 12 Dec08 16:35, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>I understand upm is really raunchy.
>
>Go and have a look. U.P.M. is a broad church and permits all
>sort of opinions although many are weighted towards the right.
>
>Chris Millbank seems to think anyone from A.C.F. who posts there
>is an heretical interloper acting without permission! Of
>course, anyone can post there.
>
Well I've gorn dun it and cross-posted ...
Let's see what happens.
--
Roger Hunt
John Stubbings
Matrix rebooting in 5..4..
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
>
and all of a sudden it has been re-created and sits in front of me
untouched.
--
Roger Hunt
Chris Millbank
> On Fri 12 Dec08 01:16, Chris Millbank
> <chrismillb...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:30:39 +0000, John Stubbings wrote:
>>
>>>> Indeed. Poor Franklin is out of his depth when he posts to
>>>> uk.p.m. using my ACF posting name, desperately trying to
>>>> draw attention to himself
>>>
>>> I don't want to scare you... but have you considered that
>>> what he's really trying to do is draw attention to you...
>>
>> He's slime and not that smart.
>
> Nice to see your post Chris. Can I ask you a personal question?
> Do you have any more interesting holiday photos like the ones
> you showed us some time ago?
Slimey, go right ahead. As long as you admit to the fraud you are
perpetrating on UKM, "hummingbird"
> A year or so ago you proudly posted these pictures of your
> encounters with transvestite prostitutes in Thailand.
>
> http://i32.tinypic.com/mr7a1e.jpg
> http://i30.tinypic.com/348irkn.jpg
>
> This summer you published this picture of yourself:
> http://i34.tinypic.com/2rxfv9d.jpg
>
> Someone took this picture of you at the Olympics this year.
> http://i37.tinypic.com/f24i8k.jpg
>
> Do you have any more intersting pictures you might care to
> publish?
FranklinSlime, first admit your fraud then, indeed, i will be happy to
produce my entire album of hot-asses pics for you "hummingbird".
Chris Millbank
You're a born liar and a two-faced hypocrite, FranklinSlime aka
Chris Millbank
>>> This is getting very confusing. So tell me, are you saying
>>> Hummingbird who is also aracari but not hummingbird on upm is
>>> also John Gummer the famous conservative MP who played Gollum
>>> sans makeup in Lord of the fleas as an unscrupulous and
>>> venomous hatemonger who lusted after Frodo's ring.
>>>
>> Krekt - it would make a fabulous dramatic opera.
>>
>>>
>>>Usenet never ceases to amaze me...
>>
>> This is nothing. I understand upm is really raunchy.
>
> Go and have a look. U.P.M. is a broad church and permits all
> sort of opinions although many are weighted towards the right.
>
> Chris Millbank seems to think anyone from A.C.F. who posts there
> is an heretical interloper acting without permission! Of
> course, anyone can post there.
Talking to me? Youtalking to me? FranklinSlime aka "humminbird", you
indeed are a FRAUD!
--
I really do hope you are having the best day EVAAAAAR today!
I love you incredibly hard! So hard it hurts! It hurts REAL BAD!
But it also hurts REEEEEAL GOOD!
Chris Millbank
Indeed, God damn it, read my posts, FranklinSlime
John Stubbings
Yea sounds good... shades of 'the killing fields' crossed with 'terminator
2' and 'Young Frankenstein'. Works for me. We need to fit in a morality
tale... hows about Gummy starring as the tubercular, wizened, dogooder
takes the fight to castle upm, and in order to defeat his enemies becomes
like them, 'an unscrupulous and venomous hatemonger', and in doing so
<weep>loses the love of Kate Winslet cos she's like really PC</weep> and
voilà you get to shag her...<picks nose>
Franklin
If that had been a nice hot cup of tea then the future for all
of us might have been different as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
the Galaxy" explains:
-------------- START
The principle of generating small amounts of finite
improbability by simply hooking the logic circuits of a
Bambleweeny 57 Sub-Meson Brain to an atomic vector plotter
suspended in a strong Brownian Motion producer (say a nice hot
cup of tea) were of course well understood - and such generators
were often used to break the ice at parties by making all the
molecules in the hostess's undergarments leap simultaneously one
foot to the left, in accordance with the Theory of
Indeterminacy.
Many respectable physicists said that they weren't going to
stand for this - partly because it was a debasement of science,
but mostly because they didn't get invited to those sort of
parties.
Another thing they couldn't stand was the perpetual failure they
encountered in trying to construct a machine which could
generate the infinite improbability field needed to flip a
spaceship across the mind-paralysing distances between the
furthest stars, and in the end they grumpily announced that such
a machine was virtually impossible.
Then, one day, a student who had been left to sweep up the lab
after a particularly unsuccessful party found himself reasoning
this way:
If, he thought to himself, such a machine is a virtual
impossibility, then it must logically be a finite improbability.
So all I have to do in order to make one is to work out exactly
how improbable it is, feed that figure into the finite
improbability generator, give it a fresh cup of really hot tea
... and turn it on!
He did this, and was rather startled to discover that he had
managed to create the long sought after golden Infinite
Improbability generator out of thin air.
-------------- END
Roger Hunt
Then Gummer sees the error of his ways, repents and is allowed sloppy
seconds, and the chest of treasure in the Castle keep. He is too feeble
to carry the treasure away so gives it out to the deserving villagers
who then go on a drunken celebratory orgy.
<examines bogey minutely, then flicks it out of window where it adheres
tenaciously to windscreen of passing traffic warden's car.>
--
Roger Hunt
Roger Hunt
LYTO_...@null.invalid> writes
>On Fri 12 Dec08 18:43, Roger Hunt wrote
>> In article <ghual6$ccq$1...@news.motzarella.org>, John Stubbings
>> <anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
>>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:53 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>> In article <Xns9B72B76...@204.153.245.22>, Franklin
>>>> <see_my_REPL YTO_h...@null.invalid> writes
>>>>>On Fri 12 Dec08 16:35, Roger Hunt
>>>>><nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand upm is really raunchy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go and have a look. U.P.M. is a broad church and permits
>>>>> all sort of opinions although many are weighted towards the
>>>>> right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Millbank seems to think anyone from A.C.F. who posts
>>>>> there is an heretical interloper acting without permission!
>>>>> Of course, anyone can post there.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I've gorn dun it and cross-posted ...
>>>> Let's see what happens.
>>>
>>> Matrix rebooting in 5..4..
>>>
>> I've entered a Time-loop. I had a cup of coffee fifteen
>> minutes ago and all of a sudden it has been re-created and
>> sits in front of me untouched.
>
>If that had been a nice hot cup of tea then the future for all
>of us might have been different as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
>the Galaxy" explains:
But I have already - the fact that it wasn't a cup of tea means that it
is different here and now.
I can go and make another cup of coffee and prove it again.
In fact I think I shall (or have I already?).
--
Roger Hunt
Nicolaas Hawkins
wrote in <news:c7mCrVAg...@nospam.demon.co.uk>:
Time to set up an IV line?
--
Vrolijk Kerstfeest,
Nicolaas
John Stubbings
Please, some of us are trying to eat.
> and the chest of treasure in the Castle keep. He is too feeble
> to carry the treasure away so gives it out to the deserving villagers
> who then go on a drunken celebratory orgy.
> <examines bogey minutely, then flicks it out of window where it adheres
> tenaciously to windscreen of passing traffic warden's car.>
<loud crash...pull back curtains, dazed warden has wrapped car around tree
across the road... strange green dot on windscreen... whiff of java in the
air...>
Roger Hunt
<grump...@t.large> writes
--
Roger Hunt
Roger Hunt
<anna.riceD...@virgin.net> writes
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:39:55 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote:
>> Then Gummer sees the error of his ways, repents and is allowed sloppy
>> seconds,
>
>Please, some of us are trying to eat.
>
<g>
>> and the chest of treasure in the Castle keep. He is too feeble
>> to carry the treasure away so gives it out to the deserving villagers
>> who then go on a drunken celebratory orgy.
>> <examines bogey minutely, then flicks it out of window where it adheres
>> tenaciously to windscreen of passing traffic warden's car.>
>
><loud crash...pull back curtains, dazed warden has wrapped car around tree
>across the road... strange green dot on windscreen... whiff of java in the
>air...>
>
Whiff of er what in the air?
--
Roger Hunt
Franklin
<chrismillb...@gmail.com> wrote
Have I escaped the infamous Millbank killfile once again?
hummingbird
<chrismillb...@gmail.com> wrote
The first step is for you to include Ron May's words in your
sig.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gfo6r
"Franklin is another story. At his worst, though, he's
not quite the "Queen of Slime" in ACF as that title clearly
belongs to his primary target, HB, who I find far more
despicable than BB can be at his worst."
Chris Millbank
Ok, FranklinSlime, enough forgery is enough, indeed!
Chris Millbank
I let you out when I want, if I want, indeed when I do I show you for
the liar-coward you are, FranklinSlime! :((
Franklin
>> UPM (and you seem to have many) to link up. However it is
>> hardly a good reason for a legitimate crosspost to be
>> supressed.
>>
On 12 Dec 19:08 Chris Millbank <chrismillb...@gmail.com>
>
> Indeed, God damn it, read my posts, FranklinSlime
Hello Chris, we both recall the term "Queen of Slime" was coined
for you by Ron May:
"Franklin is ... not ... the "Queen of Slime" in ACF
as that title clearly belongs to his primary target,
HB [Chris Millbank], who I find far more despicable
than Bear Bottoms can be at his worst."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gfo6r
There's even a song written about your ways, Chris.
"I Am The Slime" by Frank Zappa
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=keKfnjeKHao
Chris Millbank
>> On 12 Dec 19:08 Chris Millbank
>> Indeed, God damn it, read my posts, FranklinSlime
>
> Hello Chris, we both recall the term "Queen of Slime" was coined
> for you by Ron May:
>
> "Franklin is ... not ... the "Queen of Slime" in ACF
> as that title clearly belongs to his primary target,
> HB [Chris Millbank], who I find far more despicable
> than Bear Bottoms can be at his worst."
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5gfo6r
Franklin CamperSlime (yes we know who you really are) your attempts to
dishonour my Usenet reputation will not work. As BB says:
"You are a denigrator. Who denigrates. Your hate shows. It lowers your
carrotker"
Note how BB smartly uses the missspelling, Indeed!