[PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General Discussion
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
I propose the start of the Pricelessware 2008 list (hereinafter referred to
as PL2008) selection process.
In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection shall
again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular among those
alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in the election.
Before we go into the details of the Pricelessware selection process, I'd
like to use the opportunity (doubtless on behalf of all participants of the
PL2008 election) to thank *all* freeware authors for their time and efforts
spent to create the programs and for the generosity of releasing them as
freeware! Regardless of whether a program is nominated or even selected as
Pricelessware, or not - we deeply appreciate your work! :-)
The success of each Pricelessware election heavily depends on contribution.
Programs, that are not nominated (or that are not accompanied by a minimum
set of information, including a second) are not eligible for voting...
Programs, nobody votes for, can not be chosen as Pricelessware...
Although I hope for a lean selection process, there are quite a few matters
that need consideration. In the following text I'll address some of them.
(And usually propose a solution, as well...)
1. According to the preliminary discussion of the last couple of days, the
preferred reference year for the current Pricelessware selection is 2008.
If enough posters voice a different opinion in the upcoming discussion,
the matter will be decided by an additional question in the vote thread.
We'll nevertheless stick to the [PL2008] tag *during* the selection.
2. Proposed Timeline (YYYY-MM-DD):
2008-09-01: Begin of the PL2008 process; general discussion
2008-09-03: Start of program nominations (+ seconds); program discussion
2008-09-24: End of program nominations
2008-09-27: Last chance for seconds and discussion
2008-09-28: Start of voting period
2008-10-05: End of voting period
2008-10-06: Preliminary list and start of final discussion
A couple of days later: PL2008 - Final List
Start events are ready before 12:00 am Central European Summer Time (CEST).
End events will be closed at 12:00 pm Central European Summer Time (CEST).
3. The following threads will be created during the PL2008 process:
* [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General Discussion
* [PL2008] How to filter Pricelessware 2008 threads
* [PL2008] Program Nominations
* [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions
+ [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions - Program AB
:
+ [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions - Program YZ
* [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Votes
* [PL2008] Results Discussion
* [PL2008] Final Pricelessware 2008 List
Subject changes are discouraged - with the exception of the program and
category discussion thread, where those changes seem to be necessary to
simplify reading and ignoring of subthreads.
4. The following main categories have been used for previous Pricelessware
elections (*examples* for subcategories in parentheses):
* BUSINESS-HOME (e.g. Calculator: scientific | Database | Office Suite)
* DESKTOP (e.g. Desktop Manager | Clipboard: Extender | Magnify)
* FILE UTILITIES (e.g. File Analyzer | File Manager | File Viewer | Search)
* GRAPHICS (e.g. Editor 3D | Viewer | ASCII Art | Exif Tool | Color Picker)
* INTERNET (e.g. Browser | Content Filter | Email Client | Newsreader)
* MULTIMEDIA (e.g. Audio Editor | Audio Player: Midi | DVD Player)
* ORGANIZERS (e.g. PIM | Diary | Reminders: Scheduler | Calendar | Clock)
* PROGRAMMING (e.g. Editor: Hex | Compiler | Resource Tool: Extractor)
* SECURITY (e.g. Anti-Virus | Firewall | Packet Sniffer | Password Manager)
* SYSTEM UTILITIES (e.g. Tool Collection | Hardware Monitor | RAM Disk)
* TEXT (e.g. Editor: Code | Text Stats | PDF Tool | Convert Text To Speech)
* WEB DESIGN (e.g. Editor: HTML | Wiki | Image Dicer | HTML Parser)
Neither categories nor subcategories are fixed, at the moment. Everybody,
who nominates a program, can suggest a categorization. Posters with
other suggestions should put this matter in the "Program and Category
Discussions" thread. Matters of continuing dissent will be subject of an
additional question in the "Vote" thread.
5. Any posting of a program description in the "Nominations" thread (even if
it is not the complete minimum set) will count as nomination. People ought
not post descriptions of programs they don't want to nominate.
Posting additions/corrections to an existent program nomination does *not*
automatically count as second, i.e. one poster needs to explicitly declare
to be a second for a program.
6. Proposed minimum set for a program description:
- PROGRAM_NAME: <Generally used name; shorter/longer form in parenthesis)
- VERSION: <As formatted by the program author>
and/or
- RELEASE_DATE: <YYYY-MM-DD; don't use the download date of an archive>
- HOMEPAGE: <Website (if existent; else a download is required)>
- CATEGORY: <See above>
- SUB-CATEGORY: <See above>
Other information that *should* be provided:
- DOWNLOAD: <Http or Ftp address; may be a page or a direct archive link>
- WINDOWS_OS: <Windows or detailed list like Windows 9x,2000,XP,Vista>
- OTHER_OS: <DOS, Mac OS X,...>
- DESCRIPTION: <Purpose of the program, some important pro's and con's>
Suggestions for additional useful information tags can be found on
Little Girls Freeware Description Creator page:
http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/f/ProgramDescriptionCreator.html
Hover the mouse over a tag to see a detailed description of its meaning.
7. Eligible for voting will be all posters (identified by their pseudonyms),
that ever posted to alt.comp.freeware until 12:00 pm CEST of the 27th
September 2008. Everybody is urged to vote only *once*. Corrections of
unintended wrong votes have to be clearly marked. Supersedes/Cancels are
seriously discouraged.
Obvious fake votes and justified surmises of double-votings (by means of
different pseudonyms) will be discussed in the "Final discussion" thread.
Abuse notifications to the ISP of the poster may be filed in such cases.
8. Programs will be eligible for voting, when they receive a nomination and
a second (regardless of the *ware type). If at least 2 posters declare
a program not being freeware (ant-nomination, anti-second), the issue
will be included as an additional question in the vote thread. If the
program gets enough votes for being Pricelessware, but a majority of the
voters says the program is *not* freeware, then the program gets a
footnote in the final list stating the additional vote result:
"[**] Freeware status questioned by a simple majority of Pricelessware
selection participants"
(Suggestions for better wording are welcome.)
The first program with unquestioned freeware status in a subcategory will
*also* be listed, as long as it got the minimum vote count necessary for
selection.
Obvious fake nominations and votes, as well as unseemly promotion of
payware will again be dealt with in the "Final discussion" thread.
9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next couple
of days. During the last years, the limits were set rather empirically.
As one possible scheme I interpose the following procedure into the
discussion (Ceil = Round *up* to the next integer):
* x1 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/10) ... ~10 %
* x2 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/20) ... ~5 %
* Any program that has at least x1 votes and got the maximum number of
votes in a subcategory is selected.
* Any other program of the same category is selected, as well, as long
as it also has at least x1 votes and not fewer than "the number of
votes of the best program in the subcategory" minus x1 votes (~90 %
of the best programs votes).
* Special treatment for "successor" programs will be done according to
the suggestion in point 8.
* Any subcategory that receives less than x1 overall votes after excluding
all programs that have fewer than x2 number of votes has to be regarded
as niche. A program from a niche category will be selected, when it
receives at least x2 votes.
* According to the previous paragraph, there can only be one program
selected for every niche subcategory. This way, a subcategory may
stay empty with 2 or more programs locking themselves with about
5 to <10 %. But since a category with at least ~10 % of the overall
vote count can hardly be considered a niche, this could, IMHO, be
regarded as normal vote result.
10. There will be a separate thread to show those readers of acf, that are
not interested in the PL2008 election, how to filter such messages out.
11. Some acf posters objected against the heading of the last Pricelessware
lists, which could be read, as if all posters of acf had participated in
its creation. I suggest, we include the number of voters in the heading
of the PL2008 results list:
PL2008 - "... selected by XX alt.comp.freeware participants"
Depending on the discussion in this thread, the above change will be
applied without vote or decided by an additional question in the vote
thread.
12. At least one poster mentioned a means to declare non-participation as
(in his opinion) necessity for a ballot like the PL2008 election. There
will be an option to do so in the "Vote" thread. I will *not* put this
matter to a majority decision, because I regard this as a case of
"freedom of speech", which *must not* be controlled by majority votes.
We'll see, how many posters make use from this possibility...
The number of posters explicitly dissociating themselves from the
PL2008 will be shown in a footnote to the list:
"[*] YY alt.comp.freeware posters wished to note, that they did not
take part in the Pricelessware selection."
(Suggestions for better wording are welcome.)
I wish our Pricelessware selection process success and a good deal of new
interesting information around freeware programs for anybody participating
(or just reading the posts).
BeAr
Ron May
<br.ed...@expires-2008-09-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
> [Please snip when replying to this posting! - Thank you.]
WOW! You have put a TON of thought into the process and it seems
workable. I especially like #11 and #12. If XX people take part in
the selection process and X people wish to register their objection
and/or non-participation, I think that will present a fair picture. My
hope is that *ALL* those who wish to register an opinion will do so
with honesty and refrain from sock puppetry or other tactics in an
attempt to sabotage the process, but if it occurs, I'm sure we can
brainstorm a solution in the [PL2008] Results Discussion (or other
generally agreed thread) after the vote should it becomes necessary.
--
Ron M. (I filter Googlespam)
Known sock puppets and forged messages are deleted unread.
alt.comp.freeware information pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> * Any other program of the same category is selected, as well, as long
> as it also has at least x1 votes and not fewer than "the number of
> votes of the best program in the subcategory" minus x1 votes (~90 %
> of the best programs votes).
Please disregard the 90 % annotation in parenthesis. Unless the best
program of a subcategory got 100 % of all possible votes creates the
above rule of course a noticeably lower boundary. And that's intended...
;-)
BeAr
Susan Bugher
> [Please snip when replying to this posting! - Thank you.]
> 9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next couple
> of days. During the last years, the limits were set rather empirically.
> As one possible scheme I interpose the following procedure into the
> discussion (Ceil = Round *up* to the next integer):
> * x1 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/10) ... ~10 %
> * x2 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/20) ... ~5 %
> * Any program that has at least x1 votes and got the maximum number of
> votes in a subcategory is selected.
> * Any other program of the same category is selected, as well, as long
> as it also has at least x1 votes and not fewer than "the number of
> votes of the best program in the subcategory" minus x1 votes (~90 %
> of the best programs votes).
Dunno if I've figured the proposed method out correctly - please advise.
How would it have worked during the PL2007 selection process? AFAICT
*ONLY* FireFox (59 votes) would have been selected for the "INTERNET:
Browser" subcategory. Opera (37 votes) would not have made the cut.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2007/PL2007ProgramVote.txt
"266 programs on the ballot"
"98 ballots, 95 voters, 3834 votes"
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2007/2007PL-Nominations.php?sortby=Category
Opera (N) (S) 37 PW INTERNET: Browser: Suite Opera
Software (Freeware)
SeaMonkey (N) (S) 10 PW INTERNET: Browser: Suite Mozilla.org
(Freeware) (open source: Mozilla Public License) (sucessor to Mozilla)
K-meleon (N) (S) 15 PW INTERNET: Browser Contributors to the
K-Meleon project (Freeware) (open source: GNU GPL)
Mozilla Firefox (was Mozilla Firebird) (was Phoenix) (N) (S) 59
PW INTERNET: Browser
-------------
Only Irfanview would have made the cut?
FastStone Image Viewer (N) (S) 18 PW GRAPHICS: Viewer
FastStone Soft (Andrew Lu) (Donationware) (free for personal use)
IrfanView (N) (S) 68 PW GRAPHICS: Viewer (Irfan Skiljan )
(free for personal use/ non-commercial uses) bundled with toolbars
(installation is optional)
XnView (N) (S) 20 PW GRAPHICS: Viewer (Pierre-E Gougelet)
(Freeware) (free for personal use/ non-commercial uses)
Susan
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B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
>> 9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next couple
>> of days. During the last years, the limits were set rather empirically.
>> As one possible scheme I interpose the following procedure into the
>> discussion
[...]
> Dunno if I've figured the proposed method out correctly - please advise.
>
> How would it have worked during the PL2007 selection process? AFAICT
> *ONLY* FireFox (59 votes) would have been selected for the "INTERNET:
> Browser" subcategory. Opera (37 votes) would not have made the cut.
Opera would have made the cut, since it got the maximum number of votes in
the "Browser: Suite" subcategory. No sub-subcategories will be mixed into
subcategories. If participants don't like the separation in browsers and
browser suites, they need to address the matter in the discussion. If it
cannot be solved, it will be put to vote. - Let's hope, that we don't need
to include too many special questions in the Pricelessware vote...
[PL2007]
> "266 programs on the ballot"
> "98 ballots, 95 voters, 3834 votes"
x1 = Ceil(95/10) = 10
x2 = Ceil(95/20) = 5
> Only Irfanview would have made the cut?
| Viewer
| (PW) [18] FastStone Image Viewer (3592-PW)
| (PW) [68] IrfanView (0391-PW)
| (PW) [20] XnView (0877-PW)
The lower limit would have been "not less than 58" (68 - 10). So, yes, only
IrfanView would have been selected in this subcategory.
*If* the discussion tends in the direction of applying a scheme like the
one I put up for discussion, it will result in a deeper caesura than I
originally intended:
Message-ID: <10b2i66e7db3v$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
But it could create a stable selection method, independent of the number
of voters. Some popular programs will suffer non-selection, although they
got a relative high number of votes. (Compared to other subcategories.)
But the program getting the most votes is *distinctly* more popular,
obviously...
There still will be subcategories with more than one selection. The
popularity of the program with the most votes is usually not as much
higher as the one of IrfanView, compared to other graphics viewers.
From a quick glance, PL2007 would still have 20 subcategories with 2
to 4 programs.
IMHO, the most serious hit would strike programs that lock themselves
between 5 and right below 10 %. (Non-niche, low votes.) But maybe we
need to accept, that - though a subcategory is somewhat popular - there
still may be no "priceless" programs available, yet. (According to the
participants of the vote...)
BeAr
Susan Bugher
> Opera would have made the cut, since it got the maximum number of votes in
> the "Browser: Suite" subcategory. <SNIP>
Sorry, had my eyes crossed. :(
> [PL2007]
>> Only Irfanview would have made the cut?
>
> | Viewer
> | (PW) [18] FastStone Image Viewer (3592-PW)
> | (PW) [68] IrfanView (0391-PW)
> | (PW) [20] XnView (0877-PW)
>
> The lower limit would have been "not less than 58" (68 - 10). So, yes, only
> IrfanView would have been selected in this subcategory.
IMO the total number of votes cast for a program should be the PRIMARY
criteria for selection.
> *If* the discussion tends in the direction of applying a scheme like the
> one I put up for discussion, it will result in a deeper caesura than I
> originally intended:
>
> Message-ID: <10b2i66e7db3v$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
>
> But it could create a stable selection method, independent of the number
> of voters.
Votes per person and votes per program vary from year to year.
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2007/PL2007ProgramVote.txt
PL2007 Ballot Summary
266 programs on the ballot
98 ballots, 95 voters, 3834 votes
avg. votes per program = 14
IrfanView took top place with 68 votes (72 percent)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2006/PL2006ProgramVote.txt
PL2006 Ballot Summary - revised (one additional ballot)
223 programs on the ballot
107 ballots, 102 voters, 4496 votes
avg. votes per program = 20
Ad-Aware took top place with 68 votes (67 percent)
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2005/PL2005ProgramVote.txt
PL2005 Ballot Summary:
343 programs on the ballot
79 voters
3120 votes
avg.: votes per program = 9
most votes for one app: Irfanview 55 (70%)
I thought the idea was to simplify the process. . .
ISTM the proposed method is less "stable", less fair and more
complicated than the process we used last time (which is also
"independent of the number of voters").
Just my 2 cents on this. . .
elaich
@mid.individual.net:
> Just my 2 cents on this. . .
I thought you quit....
Nicolaas Hawkins
<news:6i3tniF...@mid.individual.net>:
Nothing wrong with a retiree returning as a consultant - at 3 times the
salary. (3x0 still=0)
--
- Nic.
Susan Bugher
I KNOW BeAr asked for comments on "da rules". Please stay on topic. ;)
BeAr said (Message-ID: <1pf3tnp4...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>)
"In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection
shall again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular
among those alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in
the election."
The unmentioned kicker is categories.
There are two SIMPLE methods of selection:
1. pick the top XX number of programs
2. pick the top vote getter in each subcategory
Do you favor one of those methods? If not, do you favor giving the most
weight to:
1. votes
2. votes within subcategories
Ron May
wrote:
> BeAr said (Message-ID: <1pf3tnp4...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>)
>
> "In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection
> shall again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular
> among those alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in
> the election."
>
> The unmentioned kicker is categories.
>
> There are two SIMPLE methods of selection:
>
> 1. pick the top XX number of programs
> 2. pick the top vote getter in each subcategory
>
> Do you favor one of those methods? If not, do you favor giving the most
> weight to:
>
> 1. votes
> 2. votes within subcategories
Since BeAr has stepped forward and put together a plan, I favor giving
it a try as he proposed and see how it works out. If we find that the
end product can be better, changes can be made for 2009. JMHO.
Susan Bugher
> Since BeAr has stepped forward and put together a plan, I favor giving
> it a try as he proposed and see how it works out. If we find that the
> end product can be better, changes can be made for 2009. JMHO.
Any and all kinds of changes can be made before the end of the PL
selection process. That's why we have a final discussion period.
but. . .
BeAr would like input now. He said (Message-ID:
<1pf3tnp4...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>)
"9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next
couple of days."
Susan
Ron May
wrote:
> Ron May wrote:
>
> > Since BeAr has stepped forward and put together a plan, I favor giving
> > it a try as he proposed and see how it works out. If we find that the
> > end product can be better, changes can be made for 2009. JMHO.
>
> Any and all kinds of changes can be made before the end of the PL
> selection process. That's why we have a final discussion period.
>
> but. . .
>
> BeAr would like input now. He said (Message-ID:
> <1pf3tnp4...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>)
>
> "9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next
> couple of days."
>
> Susan
Right. My input is that I favor giving BeAr's original proposal a
shot. If, when the end results are known and people feel it could be
made better, I favor making changes to the 2009 process.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> I KNOW BeAr asked for comments on "da rules".
Yes, of course. *Do* keep posting. In fact, it would be even better, if
*more* people took part in the discussion. But since we just started,
I'm confident, more posters will share their opinion in near future...
;-)
> "In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection
> shall again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular
> among those alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in
> the election."
>
> The unmentioned kicker is categories.
>
> There are two SIMPLE methods of selection:
>
> 1. pick the top XX number of programs
> 2. pick the top vote getter in each subcategory
The selection method I posted for discussion (it isn't a proposal,
but a first thought) was result of the following reasoning:
- It would be nice to have stable selection criteria, that don't
depend on the count of voters.
- Limits in percent of the maximum seem to be a good starting point.
- Categories are too broad an area for selection; subcategories are
okay.
- Recalculating the PL2007 criteria to percent would lead to the
following 2 rules ("not eligible" considerations aside):
* Every program is selected for Pricelessware, if it gets a vote
from at least 10 % of all voters.
* In (niche) subcategories, where no program gets 10 % of the maximum
possible votes, all programs that get at least 5 % of the maximum
possible votes are selected, as well.
- The above sounds like a simple, manageable approach. What bugs me is:
* Pricelessware always was a "popularity" list. Therefore, programs
that are noticeably more popular than others (in a subcategory)
should stand out in the results.
* No need to balance selection between subcategories, because they
probably have a very different popularity. - 10 % of the possible
votes may be a great achievement in one subcategory, while they are
near neglectable in another...
* Therefore I thought, the selection of additional programs (beside
the program with the highest vote count) should depend on nearness
to the one selected first.
* Applying 10 % of the maximum possible vote count a program could
achieve (1 vote from every voter) as a fixed distance for all
subcategories sounded like a reasonable limit to me.
* It is rather small for programs near the maximum number of votes.
But people seldom voted for more than one program in a subcategory.
Usually, when there's one program with a really high vote count,
the others have noticeably less votes.
* Near the lower limit of selection (10 %) another program would need
about double vote count to exclude the former mentioned program from
becoming PW.
* We might get up to 20 Pricelessware programs in (supposedly) niche
subcategories (5 % each). - Actually, there can be even more, when
some voters select more than one program in a subcategory. (Which
is allowed, at the moment.)
* In such situations, we (IMHO) shouldn't speak of a niche, but a
subcategory, where no clear suggestion on basis of the popularity
of a program (Pricelessware) is possible.
* The 10 % vote-sum boundary should separate niche from undecided
low-vote subcategories.
* This 10 % limit, OTOH, could be reached by one program with 9 votes
and 1 program with 1 vote. It seemed unfair to me, that programs,
which in themselves could not become Pricelessware because of a
low vote count, might prevent another from becoming PW. So I
introduced the exclusion rule for all programs that received less
than 5 % of the maximum possible vote count.
- The algorithm sounds probably more complicated, than it is. But since
the first impression may be negative for anybody looking at it, a
more simple one might be called for. So: Open for discussion. ;-)
BeAr
Susan Bugher
>> "In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection
>> shall again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular
>> among those alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in
>> the election."
>>
>> The unmentioned kicker is categories.
>>
>> There are two SIMPLE methods of selection:
>>
>> 1. pick the top XX number of programs
>> 2. pick the top vote getter in each subcategory
>
> The selection method I posted for discussion (it isn't a proposal,
> but a first thought) was result of the following reasoning:
>
> - It would be nice to have stable selection criteria, that don't
> depend on the count of voters.
> - Limits in percent of the maximum seem to be a good starting point.
Disagree. Using "10 percent of the voters voted for this program" as the
"stable" selection criteria does not produce a stable/consistent result.
The number of votes for each program per 100 people voting is largely a
function of the number of programs that are nominated. More nominations
=> votes are split between more programs. (An increase in the number of
programs nominated does not produce an equal increase in the number of
subcategories.)
PL2006 - 102 voters, 4496 votes, 10 percent of 102 -> 11 votes
223 programs on the ballot
82 percent of the programs (183 programs) received 10 percent (11 votes)
or more
PL2007 - 95 voters, 3834 votes. 10 percent of 95 -> 10 votes
266 programs on the ballot
63 percent of the programs (168 programs) received 10 percent (10 votes)
or more
PL2005 - 79 voters, 3120 votes, 10 percent of 79 -> 8 votes
344 programs on the ballot
46 percent of the programs (158 programs) received 10 percent (8 votes)
or more
<big snip>
> - The algorithm sounds probably more complicated, than it is. But since
> the first impression may be negative for anybody looking at it, a
> more simple one might be called for. So: Open for discussion. ;-)
KISS -> Pick a stable target for the number of programs. How many do we
need for a good (fairly broad) selection? 200(?)
2. The programs that received the most votes are the ones other people
are most likely to want to know about but. . . How much choice is too
much for ONE subcategory? Pick a target for the maximum number of
programs in a subcategory. 2-3(?) 3-4(?)
3. Pick winners strictly by vote count until the target number of
programs are chosen or one (or more) of the subcategories is full.
4. If more selections are needed to achieve the target number of programs:
a. Drop all lower vote programs in filled subcategories from further
consideration.
b. Pick winners for unfilled subcategories using the highest vote
count programs first.
c. Select one winner per unfilled subcategory.
d. When the target number of programs is reached stop. ;)
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> > - It would be nice to have stable selection criteria, that don't
> > depend on the count of voters.
> > - Limits in percent of the maximum seem to be a good starting point.
>
> Disagree. Using "10 percent of the voters voted for this program" as the
> "stable" selection criteria does not produce a stable/consistent result.
Any absolut number needs to be adjusted, if the number of voters changes
in a significant way. A 10 votes limit equals 10 % for 100 participants,
but 100 % for 10 participants or 1 % for 1000 participants. While using
10 as a limit sounds reasonable in the first case, it doesn't in the
latter two cases.
It is always problematic to define the exclusion criterion *after* the
vote is finished. But agreeing on an absolut number *before* the vote
is opened is guesswork.
> The number of votes for each program per 100 people voting is largely a
> function of the number of programs that are nominated. More nominations
> => votes are split between more programs. (An increase in the number of
> programs nominated does not produce an equal increase in the number of
> subcategories.)
>
> PL2006 - 102 voters, 4496 votes, 10 percent of 102 -> 11 votes
> 223 programs on the ballot
> 82 percent of the programs (183 programs) received 10 percent (11 votes)
> or more
>
> PL2007 - 95 voters, 3834 votes. 10 percent of 95 -> 10 votes
> 266 programs on the ballot
> 63 percent of the programs (168 programs) received 10 percent (10 votes)
> or more
>
> PL2005 - 79 voters, 3120 votes, 10 percent of 79 -> 8 votes
> 344 programs on the ballot
> 46 percent of the programs (158 programs) received 10 percent (8 votes)
> or more
I don't see your problem here. The scheme I posted aims not at keeping
the number (or ratio) of Pricelessware programs per year constant. It
shall ensure (among other aspects), that the selection hurdle increases
and shrinks linear to the number of posters (percental quorum).
> KISS -> Pick a stable target for the number of programs. How many do we
> need for a good (fairly broad) selection? 200(?)
The number of programs picked is, to be honest, of *no* concern to me.
I see this mainly as a function of nominations, count of program-filled
subcategories and the result of the voting. But *not* as a /target/
number.
> 2. The programs that received the most votes are the ones other people
> are most likely to want to know about but. . . How much choice is too
> much for ONE subcategory? Pick a target for the maximum number of
> programs in a subcategory. 2-3(?) 3-4(?)
One is enough, when it is overwhelming popular amongst the participants.
When 7 programs nearly draw and all got more than the minimum number of
votes required for selection, then (IMHO) all 7 should be chosen.
Anybody, who needs a program for a task, will most likely be content
with the one program that got overwhelming support. A broad variety of
votes, OTOH, suggests differences between the suitable programs, that
are related to usage patterns (or sth. like that). Therefore, it is
still likely, that one of the 7 programs fits well to the poster who
asked for the program. But it could be *any* of the 7. ;-)
> 3. Pick winners strictly by vote count until the target number of
> programs are chosen or one (or more) of the subcategories is full.
You may choose one program with 13 and two programs with 12 votes
(all 3 nice GUI tools) and omit a program with 11 votes, that is the
best for people preferring the command line. There are only 2 votes
between the maximum number of votes per program and not being PW. And
all 4 programs got the required minimum number of 10 votes. I wouldn't
be too happy with that decision... (Fictive example of course.)
BeAr
Craig
> I propose the start of the Pricelessware 2008 list (hereinafter referred to
> as PL2008) selection process.
Seconded <well, no one had to this point>
...
>
> I'd
> like to use the opportunity (doubtless on behalf of all participants of the
> PL2008 election) to thank *all* freeware authors for their time and efforts
> spent to create the programs and for the generosity of releasing them as
> freeware! Regardless of whether a program is nominated or even selected as
> Pricelessware, or not - we deeply appreciate your work! :-)
Hear hear! Thank you, freeware programmers everywhere! And a nice
piece of work here, BeAr. Thank you for breathing life into the process.
However, your write-up is as riveting as an IRS instruction form. Next
time, spruce it up with some ascii art, ok? Until then...
-Craig
---------
WRT #4:
I PROPOSE we add the main category "OPERATING SYSTEM" or something of
similar wording to describe freeware alternatives to Microsoft Operating
Systems.
We could make it "GRAPHICAL OPERATING SYSTEM" to indicate [core os + X11
+ window manager]. We could have subcategories instead: "GRAPHICAL,"
"SERVER," etc but, if we keep it simple... at least at the start, that'd
be good. N'est-ce pas?
WRT #8:
> "[**] Freeware status questioned by a simple majority of Pricelessware selection participants"
Sounds as if this refers to the simple majority of the entire
participant pool when it only refers those responding to the specific
"freeware challenge poll." As such, I propose the following but
anything that can heighten the distinction between the total number of
participants in PL2008 and this smaller group would be helpful.
> "[**] Freeware status of this application is questioned by a simple majority of respondents."
WRT #9:
About "niche" applications: Are you saying that, a niche application is
one that receives less than x2 of the vote. And, if there will be no x2
application for a given sub-category, then a niche application will be
"promoted" to sub-category class? Putting my question another way, "Can
you render this more simply? Please?"
The percentage-based idea is fine. It renders the process simpler and
should maintain a good-quality "product."
Craig
<grin>
Two things I've noticed so far:
- Date format should be rationalized. I used YYY MM DD in my nomination
but I'm seeing others.
- Subject title for program nominations should contain the name of the
proggy being nominated, (i.e. [PL2008] Program Nominations - ImgBurn).
This will help a program be seconded, at least.
-Craig
Susan Bugher
>> The number of votes for each program per 100 people voting is largely a
>> function of the number of programs that are nominated. More nominations
>> => votes are split between more programs. (An increase in the number of
>> programs nominated does not produce an equal increase in the number of
>> subcategories.)
>>
>> PL2006 - 102 voters, 4496 votes, 10 percent of 102 -> 11 votes
>> 223 programs on the ballot
>> 82 percent of the programs (183 programs) received 10 percent (11 votes)
>> or more
>>
>> PL2007 - 95 voters, 3834 votes. 10 percent of 95 -> 10 votes
>> 266 programs on the ballot
>> 63 percent of the programs (168 programs) received 10 percent (10 votes)
>> or more
>>
>> PL2005 - 79 voters, 3120 votes, 10 percent of 79 -> 8 votes
>> 344 programs on the ballot
>> 46 percent of the programs (158 programs) received 10 percent (8 votes)
>> or more
> I don't see your problem here.
Look at the numbers.
The proposed process will ensure that the number of programs that are
selected for the Pricelessware List (using the proposed 10 percent rule)
will DECREASE when the number of programs that are nominated INCREASES.
The scheme I posted aims not at keeping
> the number (or ratio) of Pricelessware programs per year constant. It
> shall ensure (among other aspects), that the selection hurdle increases
> and shrinks linear to the number of posters (percental quorum).
IMO a methodology that ensures that more choice will lead to the
selection of fewer programs is not a particularly good method.
>> 2. The programs that received the most votes are the ones other people
>> are most likely to want to know about but. . . How much choice is too
>> much for ONE subcategory? Pick a target for the maximum number of
>> programs in a subcategory. 2-3(?) 3-4(?)
> One is enough, when it is overwhelming popular amongst the participants.
I disagree - if a large number of votes are cast for another program.
Saying that a program that receives 20 percent of the vote is NOT
Pricelessware because it is overshadowed in its subcategory by an
extremely popular program does NOT seem reasonable to me.
If we wish to single out THE MOST POPULAR programs for special
recognition IMO there are better ways to do it.
NOTE: There's more than one way to skin a cat. I have tried to point out
some perhaps unintended consequences of the proposed method. I think
this is about it for me in this thread.
Caesar Romano
wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
Discussion:
>Saying that a program that receives 20 percent of the vote is NOT
>Pricelessware because it is overshadowed in its subcategory by an
>extremely popular program does NOT seem reasonable to me.
Well said.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
>>> The number of votes for each program per 100 people voting is largely a
>>> function of the number of programs that are nominated. More nominations
>>> => votes are split between more programs. (An increase in the number of
>>> programs nominated does not produce an equal increase in the number of
>>> subcategories.)
[...]
>> I don't see your problem here.
>
> Look at the numbers.
>
> The proposed process will ensure that the number of programs that are
> selected for the Pricelessware List (using the proposed 10 percent rule)
> will DECREASE when the number of programs that are nominated INCREASES.
I don't regard this as a problem. The decrease is no simple (linear,...)
functional process, but some local minimum area. Subcategories, where a
couple of programs +/- draw may return empty. (Which might be regarded
as a problem.) But this could also happen with any fixed limit.
>> The scheme I posted aims not at keeping
>> the number (or ratio) of Pricelessware programs per year constant. It
>> shall ensure (among other aspects), that the selection hurdle increases
>> and shrinks linear to the number of posters (percental quorum).
>
> IMO a methodology that ensures that more choice will lead to the
> selection of fewer programs is not a particularly good method.
If additional or absent voters show the same voting preferences as the
"basic population" used as comparison, there will be no change in the
selection. (The percentages I suggested as a limit equal the fixed
numbers from PL2007, expressed in percent.) If you see changes, than
other conditions are not equal.
I only refer to the /~10 % for normal and ~5 % for niche subcategories/
limits, here. My other considerations should be left out when thinking
about using a fixed limit or one based on percentages.
> Saying that a program that receives 20 percent of the vote is NOT
> Pricelessware because it is overshadowed in its subcategory by an
> extremely popular program does NOT seem reasonable to me.
If a program receiving 20 % gets overshadowed by another one, the
first conclusion should be, that the *subcategory* is extremely
popular. More than 50 % of all voters need to have voted for a
program in this subcategory. (As long as there are no double votes
for both programs.) Nearer to 100 %, when other programs received
additional votes and/or the most popular program got *much* more
than the >30 % required for overshadowing the 20 % program.
Therefore, 20 % in a very popular subcategory may equal 1...2 %
of the votes in a niche subcategory or 7...8 % in a "normal" one.
But the matter is open for discussion. And although forgoing a
limit above the basic 10 % boundary can result in a high number
of noticeably less popular programs being selected (and having
a fixed maximum selection count can result in cutting off
programs with vote numbers nearly identical to the maximum
selection in the subcategory), the suggestions you posted may
be the better way to go. ;-)
> NOTE: There's more than one way to skin a cat. I have tried to point out
> some perhaps unintended consequences of the proposed method. I think
> this is about it for me in this thread.
We need more input from other participants. At the moment it is
difficult to even formulate a vote question on that matter, let
alone seeing a voteless quick resolve... ;-)
BeAr
Klaatu
alt.comp.freeware:
> We need more input from other participants. At the moment it is
> difficult to even formulate a vote question on that matter, let
> alone seeing a voteless quick resolve... ;-)
While I have read the discussion in this thread between you and Susan
with interest, I regret that I have nothing to add, except this:
It doesn't really matter that much to me the criteria used to select the
winners among those programs nominated, as long as that criteria is
known. I would think it'd even be possible to try a number of different
criteria *after* the vote is concluded to see what works best given what
we will know better then, which is the number of programs nominated and
the number of people that voted. Several scenarios could be presented to
the group, saying something like "If we use these criteria for selecting
the PL, this will be the result. On the other hand if we use this other
criteria the PL will look like this instead", then have people vote on
which one they think results in a better PL.
After all, the bottom line is to end up with a good list of programs;
we're not electing a Pope or anything.
Just my two cents...
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> Two things I've noticed so far:
Read your suggestions yesterday in the morning and forgot them until
the evening (when I had more time answering it). Sorry. :-(
> - Date format should be rationalized. I used YYY MM DD in my nomination
> but I'm seeing others.
YYYY, actually. ;-) Yes, I suggested to use YYYY-MM-DD in the proposal.
Since some formats are different to distinguish, using *one* format
would simplify things. I think, I'll post a reminder in the first
summary to the Nominations thread.
> - Subject title for program nominations should contain the name of the
> proggy being nominated, (i.e. [PL2008] Program Nominations - ImgBurn).
> This will help a program be seconded, at least.
Some people set their newsreaders to open a new thread for each subject
change. Adding the name would clutter the view for those people too much,
IMHO. You get an easy way to second programs from the summary lists I'll
post now and then. Therefore, I suggest to *not* add the name in the
Nominations thread.
Thanks! :-)
BeAr
Craig
>
>> Two things I've noticed so far:
>
> Read your suggestions yesterday in the morning and forgot them until
> the evening (when I had more time answering it). Sorry. :-(
"Life" happens! <grin>
>
> Some people set their newsreaders to open a new thread for each subject
> change. Adding the name would clutter the view for those people too much,
> IMHO. You get an easy way to second programs from the summary lists I'll
> post now and then. Therefore, I suggest to *not* add the name in the
> Nominations thread.
Fair enough. Thx.
-Craig
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:53:28 +1000, John Fitzsimons wrote:
>>I nominate:
>>-----------
>>PROGRAM_NAME:
>
> Nominating existing programs IMO is a complete waste of everyone's
> time.
I take it, you're talking about programs, that are currently on the PL
list. ;-) It has some merits to do it the way you suggest. But it
would involve prior checking (by whom?), whether all information on
these programs is still up to date and whether these programs are
still available as freeware...
Furthermore, I think re-consideration helps to clean entries from the
list, which are sparsely used, nowadays, but which people might vote
for just out of habit.
But, anyway, if your suggestion gets enough support in the next couple
of days, I'll take all programs from PL2007 and set them as nominated.
If people also express, they'd like to see them pre-seconded, I'll also
do this.
The final moment of truth will in all cases be the result of the votes,
anyway.
>>CATEGORY:
>
> Why ? Each "voting" thread should be by category. Eg. votes accepted
> for "Multimedia". Votes accepted for "Security" etc. etc.
Several reasons. Many threads would clutter the group, one thread keeps
the postings compact. We have no final categories, at the moment. This
could lead to multi-nominations and probably fiercer disagreements, than
just posting a description with a category and discussing this.
>>SUB-CATEGORY:
>
> Why ? Create the mail list first. Then, when the short list is created
> worry about sub-categories then.
Your suggestion would create the need for an intermediate subcategory
discussion round. I'd like to avoid this. We'll see the amount of
disagreements on (sub-)categories in this years PW election. If we
get too many problematic cases, we can reconsider the process for the
next list.
>>VERSION:
>>RELEASE_DATE:
>
> More complexity.
*Necessary* is either/or. Posting both is optional. One of both is
required, because people sometimes used to vote only to a specific
version. Sometimes, different versions of a program are like two
very different programs, because a small tool became a suite or a
completely free program became adware,...
>>HOMEPAGE:
>
> Handy, but hardly needed for a nomination. Some people have
> programs/utilities that they love BUT haven't the time to find a
> current home web page etc.
>
>>DOWNLOAD:
>
> More complexity.
Again either/or for necessity. Programs should only be nominated,
when they are available on the Net. People should be able to try
them before the vote starts and one of the main functions of the
Pricelessware list is showing recommended programs. People should
be able to get them - at least before, during, and shortly after
the PL election.
Nominating programs requires to check, whether the nomination is
(really/still) justified.
>>WINDOWS_OS:
>
> More complexity.
>
>>OTHER_OS:
>
> More complexity.
Both are not part of the required minimum set. - I hope, you read the
posting you're criticising? ;-)
>>DESCRIPTION:
>
> More complexity.
Also not part of the required minimum set. But anybody nominating a
program *should* tell with one or two sentences, why the program is
a applicable candidate for Pricelessware.
> So much for "making things easier". The reason many people stopped
> nominating/voting for PL programs/utilities is because Susan managed
> to make a simple task into a hugely complicated one. It looks like
> nothing has changed.
>
> Having such a complicated routine is a great encouragement for people
> NOT to be involved.
Dunno. You should know the name and have to look up a homepage or
download. If you found this, you'll also know the current version.
From liking the program, selecting a category and subcategory shouldn't
be rocket science, either. Anything beyond this is optional.
All this aside, I also wrote that you could nominate a program without
posting even the minimum set. As long as other people look up a homepage
for you (or whatever information you left out), and somebody seconds your
nomination, everything is still okay.
BeAr
John Fitzsimons
<br.ed...@expires-2008-09-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>[Topic transferred from Nomination thread]
>On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:53:28 +1000, John Fitzsimons wrote:
>>>I nominate:
>>>-----------
>>>PROGRAM_NAME:
>> Nominating existing programs IMO is a complete waste of everyone's
>> time.
>I take it, you're talking about programs, that are currently on the PL
>list. ;-)
Yes.
> It has some merits to do it the way you suggest. But it
>would involve prior checking (by whom?), whether all information on
>these programs is still up to date and whether these programs are
>still available as freeware...
One starts with a category eg. "Security". One lists what is already
on the PL list and asks people to add extra items IF (in their
opinion) they know a program/utility that is as good as, or better
than, what is already mentioned.
>Furthermore, I think re-consideration helps to clean entries from the
>list, which are sparsely used, nowadays, but which people might vote
>for just out of habit.
Did you read my original post about the "method" ? I suggested making
a "new" list made up of the "old" items plus the "new" items.
THEN one accepts nominations to REMOVE anything from that combined
list.
>But, anyway, if your suggestion gets enough support in the next couple
>of days, I'll take all programs from PL2007 and set them as nominated.
>If people also express, they'd like to see them pre-seconded, I'll also
>do this.
>The final moment of truth will in all cases be the result of the votes,
>anyway.
Agreed, BUT that should be after one removes programs/utilities from
the combined list.
>>>CATEGORY:
>> Why ? Each "voting" thread should be by category. Eg. votes accepted
>> for "Multimedia". Votes accepted for "Security" etc. etc.
>Several reasons. Many threads would clutter the group,
"Many threads" ? We are only talking about a half dozen or so threads
here. The disadvantage is multiple threads BUT the advantage is that
nominators don't end up making new categories that aren't needed etc.
>one thread keeps
>the postings compact. We have no final categories, at the moment. This
>could lead to multi-nominations and probably fiercer disagreements, than
>just posting a description with a category and discussing this.
The existing list categories could be used until the final list is
done. Then anything that needs to go in a different category could be
discussed.
>>>SUB-CATEGORY:
>> Why ? Create the mail list first. Then, when the short list is created
>> worry about sub-categories then.
>Your suggestion would create the need for an intermediate subcategory
>discussion round. I'd like to avoid this. We'll see the amount of
>disagreements on (sub-)categories in this years PW election. If we
>get too many problematic cases, we can reconsider the process for the
>next list.
There should be very little "category" discussion needed. Hopefully
none.
>>>VERSION:
>>>RELEASE_DATE:
>> More complexity.
>*Necessary* is either/or. Posting both is optional. One of both is
>required, because people sometimes used to vote only to a specific
>version. Sometimes, different versions of a program are like two
>very different programs, because a small tool became a suite or a
>completely free program became adware,...
Certainly a preferred item BUT my thinking was that anything that
makes the nomination process more tedious is IMO counter-productive.
Some people simply won't get involved at all if things look too
complex for them.
>>>HOMEPAGE:
>> Handy, but hardly needed for a nomination. Some people have
>> programs/utilities that they love BUT haven't the time to find a
>> current home web page etc.
>>>DOWNLOAD:
>> More complexity.
>Again either/or for necessity. Programs should only be nominated,
>when they are available on the Net. People should be able to try
>them before the vote starts and one of the main functions of the
>Pricelessware list is showing recommended programs. People should
>be able to get them - at least before, during, and shortly after
>the PL election.
>Nominating programs requires to check, whether the nomination is
>(really/still) justified.
That can come when the votes for program removal occurs.
>>>WINDOWS_OS:
>> More complexity.
>>>OTHER_OS:
>> More complexity.
>Both are not part of the required minimum set. - I hope, you read the
>posting you're criticising? ;-)
>>>DESCRIPTION:
>> More complexity.
>Also not part of the required minimum set. But anybody nominating a
>program *should* tell with one or two sentences, why the program is
>a applicable candidate for Pricelessware.
I totally agree. In a "perfect world". I don't however think that
applies here.
>> So much for "making things easier". The reason many people stopped
>> nominating/voting for PL programs/utilities is because Susan managed
>> to make a simple task into a hugely complicated one. It looks like
>> nothing has changed.
>> Having such a complicated routine is a great encouragement for people
>> NOT to be involved.
>Dunno. You should know the name and have to look up a homepage or
>download. If you found this, you'll also know the current version.
>From liking the program, selecting a category and subcategory shouldn't
>be rocket science, either. Anything beyond this is optional.
>All this aside, I also wrote that you could nominate a program without
>posting even the minimum set. As long as other people look up a homepage
>for you (or whatever information you left out), and somebody seconds your
>nomination, everything is still okay.
Yes, that might be okay, but it isn't obvious. The tedious nature of
the process is however obvious IMO.
Regards, John.
Bear Bottoms
news:qa76c49eqt6gqlmci...@4ax.com:
> Yes, that might be okay, but it isn't obvious. The tedious nature of
> the process is however obvious IMO.
>
I agree with you John. Take what exists, clean it up and add to it. Go a
step farther...continue the process from here forward until a well
developed list is compiled covering the most widely used
categories/subcategories and continue tweaking it real time. Something akin
to the ACF Freeware List I am posting.
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
Caesar Romano
nominate the most programs using correctly formatted nominations.
So far it looks like Larry Sabo is the top nominator.
Nice work Larry.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> One starts with a category eg. "Security". One lists what is already
> on the PL list and asks people to add extra items IF (in their
> opinion) they know a program/utility that is as good as, or better
> than, what is already mentioned.
Up to this point, I think I understand the method you propose. It still
leaves the task of verifying/updating the information from PL2007. I
don't have the time to do it; and nobody else will probably volunteer
for the task, either. Do you want this job? ;-) (My other doubts
about the pre-nomination aside, for the moment...)
>>Furthermore, I think re-consideration helps to clean entries from the
>>list, which are sparsely used, nowadays, but which people might vote
>>for just out of habit.
>
> Did you read my original post about the "method" ? I suggested making
> a "new" list made up of the "old" items plus the "new" items.
I think, I understood that part, as well. But just having the "old"
programs listed may prevent the entry of /some/ new ones.
> THEN one accepts nominations to REMOVE anything from that combined
> list.
That's sth. I don't understand. To avoid ever recurring nomination/
anti-nomination (and to prevent the need to apply the same scheme
to newly added programs), we'd need to define that any nomination
*always* overrules one or more anti-nominations. Still, the process
would, IMHO, become more (rather than less) complicated.
The most problematic part from my POV would be the more-the-less
unreflecting way programs come into the nomination list. We either
invest work in all programs (which would include programs with a
new better alternative available), or we'll vote on - partially -
unchecked information.
Actually, I tried to deter people from an unreflected re-post of
the older list by making the posting of a program description the
nomination, at the same time. People should *not* nominate programs,
they don't regard themselves worthwhile Pricelessware candidates.
Freeware authors could (IMHO) nominate their own programs, as well.
Nomination is a process, where somebody stands up for a program,
explicitly saying: "*I* think, this program should be on the
Pricelessware list." Setting the whole PL2007 as pre-nominated
would somewhat thwart this aspiration.
>>Several reasons. Many threads would clutter the group,
>
> "Many threads" ? We are only talking about a half dozen or so threads
> here. The disadvantage is multiple threads BUT the advantage is that
> nominators don't end up making new categories that aren't needed etc.
I try to make the Pricelessware election unobtrusive to people who
don't wish to participate in the process. Some posters complained
about too many PL threads in past. Keeping all nominations in one
thread is a means to reduce the number of threads. If it doesn't
work well, this year, we may change back to several threads next
year.
Btw., you'll probably get a better overview when you look at the
summary posts. The weekend is most likely the time, where most
nominations are created. Therefore, I intent to post the first
summary on Monday.
>>Nominating programs requires to check, whether the nomination is
>>(really/still) justified.
>
> That can come when the votes for program removal occurs.
No such thing is planned, this year. Obvious non-eligible programs
will be dealt with in the Results Discussion (after the vote). Cases
of doubt should be noted in the Program and Category Discussions
thread and will be subject of a supplementary question in the Vote
thread. (But they will not be removed from PL2008, just marked
with a footnote.) See my PL2008 proposal posting:
Message-ID: <1pf3tnp4...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
This approach can of course be changed, when a discussion in this
thread indicates other preferences by most participants of that
discussion.
>>All this aside, I also wrote that you could nominate a program without
>>posting even the minimum set. As long as other people look up a homepage
>>for you (or whatever information you left out), and somebody seconds your
>>nomination, everything is still okay.
>
> Yes, that might be okay, but it isn't obvious. The tedious nature of
> the process is however obvious IMO.
Sorry. ;-)
BeAr
--
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= What do you mean with: "Perfection is always an illusion"? =
===============================================================--(Oops!)===
Susan Bugher
> Btw., you'll probably get a better overview when you look at the
> summary posts. The weekend is most likely the time, where most
> nominations are created. Therefore, I intent to post the first
> summary on Monday.
I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
1by1
AntiVir PersonalEdition Classic (AntiVir Personal Edition)
Ashampoo Burning Studio
Autoruns
Avast!
BullZip PDF Printer
Burrrn
CCleaner (Crap Cleaner)
Cobian Backup
Convert
Cygwin
DocShield
EditPad Lite
Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT)
Eraser
EssentialPIM (EPIM)
EZPlaylist (EZ-Playlist for Winamp)
FastStone Image Viewer
Filemon
FileNote
FileZilla
Foxit Reader (was) Foxit PDF Reader
freeCommander
FreePDF and FreePDF XP
GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG)
Google Desktop
GParted LiveCD
Hash
HostsMan
ImgBurn
JavaRa
JkDefrag
K-meleon
KeePass Password Safe
Kerio Personal Firewall
KompoZer
LightBox Free Image Editor
Mailwasher
Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware
Media Player Classic
Memtest86
MozBackup
Mozilla Firefox (was) Mozilla Firebird; Phoenix
MultiRes
NoScript
Notepad++
NoteTab Light
OpenOffice.org
Opera
Paragon Drive Backup
PhraseExpress
PingPlotter
POP Peeper
Portable Start Menu
PowerDesk
Process Explorer
Recuva
RegManager Lite
RegSeeker
Revo Uninstaller
RUNit
Secunia PSI
SpeedFan
SpywareBlaster
SUPERAntiSpyware
SyncBack Freeware
System Information for Windows (SIW)
TClockEx
TCP Optimizer (TCP/IP Optimizer)
The KMPlayer
TinySpell
Traybar
TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia
TrueCrypt
Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win) (was) Windows Ultimate Boot CD
Undelete Plus
Unlocker
USB Disk Ejector
VirtuaWin - Virtual Desktops
VLC media player (was) VideoLAN Client
WinSCP
WinSock XP Fix
WordWeb
X-Pass
XMedia Recode
XMPlay
XnView
Yankee Clipper III
ZipGenius
John Fitzsimons
<br.ed...@expires-2008-09-30.arcornews.de> wrote:
>On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:42:06 +1000, John Fitzsimons wrote:
>> One starts with a category eg. "Security". One lists what is already
>> on the PL list and asks people to add extra items IF (in their
>> opinion) they know a program/utility that is as good as, or better
>> than, what is already mentioned.
>Up to this point, I think I understand the method you propose. It still
>leaves the task of verifying/updating the information from PL2007.
So a "new" list with many worthwhile items from the 2007 PL list
missing is better ? I don't think so.
< snip >
>> I suggested making
>> a "new" list made up of the "old" items plus the "new" items.
>I think, I understood that part, as well. But just having the "old"
>programs listed may prevent the entry of /some/ new ones.
Possibly, but the loss of worthwhile items on the existing list is IMO
a potentially worse problem. As well as the unnecessary work of
nominating again items that are already acknowledged as PL.
>> THEN one accepts nominations to REMOVE anything from that combined
>> list.
>That's sth. I don't understand. To avoid ever recurring nomination/
>anti-nomination (and to prevent the need to apply the same scheme
>to newly added programs), we'd need to define that any nomination
>*always* overrules one or more anti-nominations. Still, the process
>would, IMHO, become more (rather than less) complicated.
You appear to be hugely exaggerating things here. A nomination to
remove something would be pretty rare IMO. Usually due to something
being adware, shareware, trialware etc.
>The most problematic part from my POV would be the more-the-less
>unreflecting way programs come into the nomination list. We either
>invest work in all programs (which would include programs with a
>new better alternative available), or we'll vote on - partially -
>unchecked information.
>Actually, I tried to deter people from an unreflected re-post of
>the older list by making the posting of a program description the
>nomination, at the same time. People should *not* nominate programs,
>they don't regard themselves worthwhile Pricelessware candidates.
>Freeware authors could (IMHO) nominate their own programs, as well.
>Nomination is a process, where somebody stands up for a program,
>explicitly saying: "*I* think, this program should be on the
>Pricelessware list." Setting the whole PL2007 as pre-nominated
>would somewhat thwart this aspiration.
Having existing nominations doesn't IMO stop people making new ones.
The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items on
the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
remembered to re-nominate them.
< snip >
Regards, John.
Caesar Romano
wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
Discussion:
>I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
>I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
IMO that would be very helpful.
Ron May
<DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Having existing nominations doesn't IMO stop people making new ones.
> The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items on
> the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
> remembered to re-nominate them.
And if that happens, perhaps that's the way it should be. As the
current list expands, I'm sure there are those who will be cross
checking the current nominations list with PL 2007 to see if their
favorite programs have been renominated. If no one wants to go to the
trouble of checking the current status, version and links to a
previous year selection, then maybe its time has passed. Think, e.g.,
of Forte Free Agent LFW V1.21. Great a long time ago, but is it
really "the best of the best" anymore?
Ron May
wrote:
And (if you feel like peeling grapes) a "*" or (S) behind the programs
that already have a second?
Nicolaas Hawkins
<news:p2v8c41s75b5kim3k...@4ax.com>:
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:00:31 -0500, Caesar Romano <Sp...@uce.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:29 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
>> Discussion:
>>
>>>I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
>>>I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
>>
>> IMO that would be very helpful.
>
> And (if you feel like peeling grapes) a "*" or (S) behind the programs
> that already have a second?
Jeez, Ron, I had to read that bit about grapes REALLY carefully - the
second time. Maybe it's time I had another eye-test? Oh, and I needed
some tissues to clean the monitor and keyboard.
--
- Nic.
Ron May
Couldn't resist! <g>
Susan Bugher
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:00:31 -0500, Caesar Romano <Sp...@uce.gov>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:29 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
>> Discussion:
>>
>>> I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
>>> I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
>> IMO that would be very helpful.
>
> And (if you feel like peeling grapes) a "*" or (S) behind the programs
> that already have a second?
I'll peel the grapes if you'll stuff the corn for dinner. ;)
Meanwhile, I'll post UNOFFICIAL lists of the program names (lightly
massaged for spelling errors etc.) and let BeAr sort out all the rest in
his OFFICIAL updates. :)
Bore Bottoms
>Take what exists, clean it up and add to it.
thanks for good idea bare!
i was fraid u would not participate in PL process coz of other stuff
u typed bout other bare
now PL process has actual researcher on board it be all good now, not
like stupid suzy list!
--
Nicolaas Hawkins
wrote in <news:6ijleuF...@mid.individual.net>:
> Ron May wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:00:31 -0500, Caesar Romano <Sp...@uce.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:29 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
>>> Discussion:
>>>
>>>> I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
>>>> I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
>>> IMO that would be very helpful.
>>
>> And (if you feel like peeling grapes) a "*" or (S) behind the programs
>> that already have a second?
>
> I'll peel the grapes if you'll stuff the corn for dinner. ;)
He only needs to chase it around the yard a few times and it'll be
stuffed.
>
> Meanwhile, I'll post UNOFFICIAL lists of the program names (lightly
> massaged for spelling errors etc.) and let BeAr sort out all the rest in
> his OFFICIAL updates. :)
>
> Susan
--
- Nic.
elaich
news:Xns9B11CB9B94D32b...@69.16.185.250:
> I agree with you John. Take what exists, clean it up and add to it. Go
> a step farther...continue the process from here forward until a well
> developed list is compiled covering the most widely used
> categories/subcategories and continue tweaking it real time. Something
> akin to the ACF Freeware List I am posting.
Of all the people that should just STFU, you are it, Bear. HOW DARE YOU.
You have made yourself something akin to the smallpox or the plague in this
group.
HOW DARE YOU post to an ACF thread, after making yourself a cancer in this
group?
Ron May
wrote:
> Ron May wrote:
> > On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:00:31 -0500, Caesar Romano <Sp...@uce.gov>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:29 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
> >> wrote Re Re: [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General
> >> Discussion:
> >>
> >>> I made a list today of the 89 programs that have been nominated to date.
> >>> I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
> >> IMO that would be very helpful.
> >
> > And (if you feel like peeling grapes) a "*" or (S) behind the programs
> > that already have a second?
>
> I'll peel the grapes if you'll stuff the corn for dinner. ;)
>
> Meanwhile, I'll post UNOFFICIAL lists of the program names (lightly
> massaged for spelling errors etc.) and let BeAr sort out all the rest in
> his OFFICIAL updates. :)
Thanks, Susan. I'll be trying to help with some of the "fill in the
blank" clerical duties in this thread and whatever else needs doing as
time permits.
»Q«
> The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items on
> the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
> remembered to re-nominate them.
If there are apps no one can be bothered to nominate, IMO they don't
belong on the 2008 list.
Craig
I don't want previous years' selections automagically resubmitted. The
info is old, crufty and has to be re-vetted. And who's going to do that?
I just finished posting my nominations. The info is current. I've been
seconding others' submissions where I have interest. If these were
"automatically" recycled nominations, I'd blindly second them regardless
of the data quality or, worse yet, ignore them altogether (especially if
they were in a lumpen format).
The work may be the same, but the motivation is completely different. I,
for one, am not motivated to re-vet.
But this doesn't stop anyone from reviewing and amending and nominating
from the PL2007 list. That'd be great!
ymmv,
-Craig
iNcReDuLoUs
>»Q« wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:53:34 +1000
>> John Fitzsimons <DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items
>>> on the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
>>> remembered to re-nominate them.
>>
>> If there are apps no one can be bothered to nominate, IMO they don't
>> belong on the 2008 list.
>
> I don't want previous years' selections automagically resubmitted.
> The info is old, crufty and has to be re-vetted.
I agree with both »Q« and Craig.
Personally, if the nomination thread had started with a default list of the
previous PL apps, I wouldn't have participated. I won't be seconding any
more nominations only because I'm invisible to many, and the doubling up on
seconds would seem to just complicate the issue for BeAr.
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> I won't be seconding any more nominations only because I'm invisible to
> many, and the doubling up on seconds would seem to just complicate the
> issue for BeAr.
That's not that much an issue, just a nuisance... ;-)
But you can hold back a couple of days and see whether other posters do
the seconding (if you like). If others do not, please post.
BeAr
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in
[...]
<Rant from elaich snipped>
*Please*, elaich, honor the current more-the-less peaceful atmosphere
in acf and don't post anything, what might well stir up flames.
Thank you very much!
BeAr
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> I'll post daily updates if that would be helpful.
I neither intent nor will be able to do a daily update, myself. (I'll
be away for two or three days more then once during the next weeks.)
So additional update posts may help people. Thank you. ;-)
BeAr
John Fitzsimons
Not everyone wants to wade through web pages to check the existing
items. To be reminded of what is already listed. That is why I
suggested starting with a list in the newsgroup.
Also, there are items that IMO are PL that I no longer use. Such a
list would remind me/others of such items.
Regards, John.
John Fitzsimons
wrote:
>»Q« wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:53:34 +1000
>> John Fitzsimons <DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items on
>>> the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
>>> remembered to re-nominate them.
>> If there are apps no one can be bothered to nominate, IMO they don't
>> belong on the 2008 list.
>I don't want previous years' selections automagically resubmitted. The
>info is old, crufty and has to be re-vetted. And who's going to do that?
< snip >
IMO the work involved for vetting a PL2007 item is exactly the same as
vetting a new item.
Regards, John.
Craig
yea;
But like I said in the bit that got snipped, it's a totally different
motivation, for me. Of course, ymmv.
-Craig
»Q«
John Fitzsimons <DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:15:20 -0500, »Q« <box...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:53:34 +1000
> >John Fitzsimons <DELETEu...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The problem with your idea is that there are many worthwhile items
> >> on the existing list that will simply cease being PL because nobody
> >> remembered to re-nominate them.
>
> >If there are apps no one can be bothered to nominate, IMO they don't
> >belong on the 2008 list.
>
> Not everyone wants to wade through web pages to check the existing
> items. To be reminded of what is already listed. That is why I
> suggested starting with a list in the newsgroup.
>
> Also, there are items that IMO are PL that I no longer use. Such a
> list would remind me/others of such items.
Wade through web pages? The entire 2007 PL is viewable on a /single/
web page. I still don't think any of them should be nominated
automatically without someone looking at them and deciding to nominate,
but in case it helps save you the trouble of wading through the page,
I'll post the 2007 list below. It's sorted by category, but if you
prefer I could post it again sorted by program name. You'll need to
view it with wrapping turned off.
Pricelessware 2007
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Program |PL-CD| Category | Author | Ware_type ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |BUSINESS-HOME: | | ||
|ESBCalc |files|Calculator: |ESB Consultancy |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |printing | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|MoffSoft | |BUSINESS-HOME: | |(Donationware) ||
|FreeCalc |files|Calculator: |Moffsoft |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |printing | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Convert |files|BUSINESS-HOME: |(Joshua F. Madison) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Converter | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|dBworx |- |BUSINESS-HOME: |PLWorx Software |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Database |Development | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |BUSINESS-HOME: | |(Donationware) ||
|OpenOffice.org |files|Office Suite |OpenOffice.org |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source; GNU LGPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |BUSINESS-HOME: |Sequence Publishing | ||
|TheSage |files|Dictionary: |(Franc Morales and Leah|(Freeware) ||
| | |Thesaurus |Gilner) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |BUSINESS-HOME: | |(Liteware) (free ||
|WordWeb |files|Dictionary: |(Antony Lewis) |for some users: ||
| | |Thesaurus | |see licensing ||
| | | | |restrictions) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|All-Purpose | |BUSINESS-HOME: | |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|Spell Checker |- |Spell Checker |Palware |4.0) ||
|(APSC) (v 4.0) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ragtime Solo (v | |BUSINESS-HOME: | |(Liteware) (free ||
|5.6.5) |- |Desk Top |RagTime GmbH |for personal use) ||
| | |Publishing | |LFW (v 5.6.5) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |BUSINESS-HOME: |Clinical laboratory |(Requestware) ||
|Graph Paper |files|Graph Paper |software (Philippe |(free) LFW (v ||
|Printer (v 4.21)| |Printer |Marquis) |4.21) last ||
| | | | |uncrippled version||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|UnderCoverXP |- |BUSINESS-HOME: |Wicked & Wild Inc. |(Donationware) ||
| | |Print Labels: CD |(Eric Heeseakkers) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |DESKTOP: | |(Betaware) ||
|RUNit (v 2.1Beta|files|Shortcuts: |(magister-lex) |(Freeware) (open ||
|6a) | |Launchers | |source) LFW (v ||
| | | | |2.1Beta 6a) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |DESKTOP: | |(Freeware) (open ||
|CLCL |files|Clipboard: |(Nakashima Tomoaki) |source) ||
| | |Extender | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |DESKTOP: |InteleXual Software LLC|(Registerware: ||
|Yankee Clipper |files|Clipboard: |(Joe LeVasseur and |name) ||
|III | |Extender |Konrad Krupa) |(Requestware) ||
| | | | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |DESKTOP: |Mirek's Free Windows |(Donationware) ||
|MWSnap |files|Clipboard: Screen |Software (Mirek |(free) ||
| | |Capture |Wojtowicz) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (free ||
| | |DESKTOP: Monitor | |for personal use/ ||
|MultiRes |files|Tool |EnTech Taiwan |some ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Path Copy | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|(PathCopy) |files|Directory: Copy |Ninotech |(Freeware) ||
| | |Path | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Liteware) (free) ||
|SoftCAT (v 2.10)|- |Cataloger: |FNProgramvare |LFW (v 2.10) ||
| | |Software | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|XYplorer | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Freeware) older ||
|(wasTrackerV3) |files|File Manager |(Donald Lessau) |version of a $ware||
| | | | |program ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|2xExplorer (v | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Donationware) ||
|1.4.1.12) |files|File Manager: Dual|(Nikos Bozinis ) |(free) LFW (v ||
| | |pane | |1.4.1.12) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|freeCommander |- |File Manager: Dual|(Marek Jasinski) | ||
| | |pane | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|WAssociate |files|File Manager Tool:|(Wilbert Hengst) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Association | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|Unlocker |- |File Manager Tool:|(Cedrick Collomb) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Delete Difficult | |(free) ||
| | |Files | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|FileNote |files|FILE UTILITIES: |Moon Software (Ahto |(Freeware) ||
| | |File Notes |Tanner) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Dependency | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|Walker |- |Cataloger: File |(Steve P. Miller ) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Dependency | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|WinDriversBackup| | | |(Freeware) (free ||
|Personal Edition|files|FILE UTILITIES: |Jermar Software Corp |for personal use/ ||
|(v 1.09) | |Drivers: Backup | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) LFW (v 1.09)||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | | ||
|DLL Archive |- |File Dependency |(Analog X) |(Freeware) ||
| | |(DLL) | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Lister |files|FILE UTILITIES: |C. Ghisler & Co. |(Freeware) ||
| | |File Viewer |(Christian Ghisler) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Donationware) ||
|7-Zip |files|Archives: |(Igor Pavlov) |(free) (open ||
| | |Zip-Unzip | |source: GNU LPGL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Donationware) ||
|IZArc |files|Archives: |(Ivan Zahariev) |(free) ||
| | |Zip-Unzip | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|PowerArchiver (v| |FILE UTILITIES: |eFront Media Inc. (Ivan|(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|6.11) |files|Archives: |Petrovic.) |6.11) ||
| | |Zip-Unzip | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Agent Ransack |files|FILE UTILITIES: |Mythicsoft (David Vest)|(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Search | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (free ||
|Info-Rapid |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Ingo Straub) |for personal use/ ||
|Search & Replace| |Search And Replace| |non-commercial ||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Bulk Rename |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Jim Willsher) |(Donationware) ||
|Utility | |File Renamer | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Chainsaw |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Gerhard Schmeusser ) |(Freeware) ||
| | |File Splitter | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | |Heidi Computers Limited|(Donationware) ||
|Eraser |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Sami Tolvanen |(free) (open ||
| | |File Wiper |(original author); |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | | |project team) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|PC Inspector |files|FILE UTILITIES: |Convar |(Donationware) ||
|File Recovery | |Files: Undelete | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Restoration (v |- |FILE UTILITIES: |(Brian Kato) |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|2.5.14) | |Files: Undelete | |2.5.14) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|DVDSig |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Dariusz Stanislawek) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Files: Validate | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|MD5summer |files|FILE UTILITIES: |(Luke Pascoe) |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Files: Validate | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
| | |FILE UTILITIES: | |(Registerware) ||
|CDCheck |- |Files: Validate: |(Mitja Perko) |(free for personal||
| | |Undelete | |use/ ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Blender |files|GRAPHICS: Editor: |Blender Foundation |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |3D | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|ArtRage |files|GRAPHICS: Editor: |Ambient Design Ltd |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Photo-Paint | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|PhotoFiltre |files|GRAPHICS: Editor: |(Antonio Da Cruz) |(Liteware) (free ||
| | |Photo-Paint | |for non-commercial||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Pixia |files|GRAPHICS: Editor: |Tacmi Co. (Isao |(Freeware) ||
| | |Photo-Paint |Maruoka) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|The Gimp |files|GRAPHICS: Editor: |The Gimp (Peter Mattis |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Photo-Paint |and Spencer Kimball) |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Registerware: ||
|Zoner Draw 3 |- |GRAPHICS: Editor: |Zoner |product key) ||
| | |Vector-Draw | |(free) earlier ||
| | | | |version of $ware ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|FastStone Image | | |FastStone Soft (Andrew |(Donationware) ||
|Viewer |files|GRAPHICS: Viewer |Lu) |(free for personal||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(free for personal||
| | | | |use/ ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
|IrfanView |files|GRAPHICS: Viewer |(Irfan Skiljan ) |uses) bundled with||
| | | | |toolbars ||
| | | | |(installation is ||
| | | | |optional) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (free ||
|XnView |- |GRAPHICS: Viewer |(Pierre-E Gougelet) |for personal use/ ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Free Digital |- |GRAPHICS: Viewer: |MediaChance (Roman |(Liteware) (free) ||
|Camera Enhancer | |Image Optimizer |Voska (aka Oscar)) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ulead GIF |- |GRAPHICS: Editor: |ULEAD |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|Animator (v 2.0)| |Animation | |2.0) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|IconShop |- |GRAPHICS: Icon |Lion Tech (Peter Stuer)|(Freeware) ||
| | |Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Exifer |- |GRAPHICS: Edit |(Friedemann Schmidt) |(Requestware) ||
| | |Image Comments | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) (free) ||
|JR Screen Ruler |- |GRAPHICS: Measure |Spadix Software |bundled with the ||
| | | | |$ware version ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Meazure |files|GRAPHICS: Measure |C Thing Software |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Opera |files|INTERNET: Browser:|Opera Software |(Freeware) ||
| | |Suite | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |INTERNET: Browser:| |source: Mozilla ||
|SeaMonkey |files|Suite |Mozilla.org |Public License) ||
| | | | |(sucessor to ||
| | | | |Mozilla) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|K-meleon |files|INTERNET: Browser |Contributors to the |(Freeware) (open ||
| | | |K-Meleon project |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Mozilla Firefox | | | | ||
|(was Mozilla |files|INTERNET: Browser |Mozilla.org |(Freeware) (open ||
|Firebird) (was | | | |source) ||
|Phoenix) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Maxthon (was |- |INTERNET: Browser:|Mysoft Technology |(Donationware) ||
|MyIE2) | |Shell |(Bloodchen) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|OffByOne |- |INTERNET: Browser:|Off By One Productions |(Freeware) ||
| | |Small | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
| | |INTERNET: Get |Singer's Creations |(free) older ||
|Weather Watcher |files|Weather |(Mike Singer) |versions that are ||
| | | | |bundled contain ||
| | | | |Adware ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|MozBackup |- |INTERNET: Browser |(Pavel Cvrcek) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|The Proxomitron |files|INTERNET: Content |(Scott Lemmon) |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|(v 4.5J) | |Filter | |4.5J June) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Hosts File |files|INTERNET: Content |. |(Freeware) ||
| | |Filter: Hosts | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|AM-DeadLink |files|INTERNET: URL |(Martin Aignesberger) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Checker | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Xenu's Link |files|INTERNET: URL |(Tilman Hausherr) |(Requestware) ||
|Sleuth | |Checker | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Trillian |- |INTERNET: Chat |Cerulean Studios |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Client | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Mozilla | |INTERNET: Email |The Mozilla |(Freeware) (open ||
|Thunderbird |files|Client |Organization |source: Mozilla ||
| | | | |Public License) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Pegasus Mail |- |INTERNET: Email |(David Harris) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Client | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) LFW (v.||
|Mailwasher (v |- |INTERNET: Email |(Nick Bolton) |1.33) (v. 2beta28)||
|1.33) | |Checker | |last uncrippled ||
| | | | |versions ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: Email |Mortal Universe | ||
|POP Peeper |files|Checker |Software Entertainment:|(Freeware) ||
| | | |(Jeff Meier) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|K9 |files|INTERNET: Email |(Robin Keir) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Tool: Spam | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: |Softwareentwicklung |(Donationware) ||
|40tude Dialog |files|Newsreader |M.Mo:nnig (Marcus |(free for personal||
| | | |Mo:nnig) |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) LFW (v ||
|Free Agent (v |- |INTERNET: |Forte Internet Software|1.21) last ||
|1.21) | |Newsreader | |uncrippled version||
| | | | |(fa32-121.exe) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Xnews |- |INTERNET: |(Luu Tran) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Newsreader | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: | |(Betaware) ||
|GrabIt |files|Newsreader: Binary|(Ilan Shemes) |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(Liteware) (free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|DLExpert |files|INTERNET: Download|(Chen Ying) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Manager | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Free Download |files|INTERNET: Download|FreeDownloadManager.ORG|(Freeware) (open ||
|Manager (FDM) | |Manager | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|HTTRACK |files|INTERNET: Download|(Xavier Roche) |(Freeware) (open ||
|(WinHTTrack) | |Web Sites | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|uTorrent |- |INTERNET: |BitTorrent Inc. (Ludvig|(Donationware) ||
| | |BitTorrent Client |Strigeus) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: FTP | |(Donationware) ||
|FileZilla |files|Client |(Tim Kosse) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|FTPpie |files|INTERNET: FTP Tool|(David Taylor) |(Freeware) (free ||
| | | | |for personal use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: Server: |(Juergen Haible; Thomas|(Freeware) (open ||
|Hamster |files|Mail: News |G. Liesner and many |source) ||
| | | |other) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|TCP Optimizer | |INTERNET: DUN: | | ||
|(TCP/IP |files|Speed Optimizer |Speed Guide Inc. |(Freeware) ||
|Optimizer) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|NetMeter (was | |INTERNET: Network |ReadError (Haim |(Donationware) ||
|Haim's Net |- |Monitor |Gelfenbeyn) |(free) ||
|Meter) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|IPResolve (v |- |INTERNET: Network |Zone 17 Software |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|1.0) | |Tool |(Benoit Bousquet) |1.0) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|IPNetInfo |- |INTERNET: Network |NirSoft (Nir Sofer) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Tool: IP Address | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |INTERNET: Network |TightVNC Software |(Donationware) ||
|TightVNC |files|Computing |(Constantin Kaplinsky |(free) (open ||
| | | |(lead developer)) |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Skype |- |INTERNET: Phone |Skype Limited (Sharman |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |On-Line |Networks) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |MULTIMEDIA: Audio | |(Donationware) ||
|Audacity |files|Editor |(Dominic Mazzoni) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|mp3DirectCut |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio |mpesch3's mp3 tools |(Donationware) ||
| | |Editor: MP3 |(Martin Pesch) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|LAME (compiled) |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio |(Dmitry Kutsanov (aka |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Converter |mitiok)) |source: GNU LGPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |MULTIMEDIA: Audio:| |(Donationware) ||
|CDex |files|Ripper-Converter |CDex (Albert Faber) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|dBpowerAMP Music| | | |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|Converter (dMC) |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio:|Illustrate |10.1) last version||
|(v 10.1) | |Ripper-Converter | |with free mp3 ||
| | | | |encoder ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Betaware) ||
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|Exact Audio Copy| |MULTIMEDIA: Audio:|Exact Audio Copy (Andre|(Requestware) ||
|(EAC) |files|Ripper-Editor |Wiethoff) |(free for personal||
| | | | |use/ ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|MP3Gain |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio |MP3Gain Team |(free) (open ||
| | |Normalizer | |source: Library or||
| | | | |LGPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|mpTrim (was |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio |mp3Trim (Jean Nicolle) |(Liteware) (free) ||
|mp3Trim) | |Tool: MP3 | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|1by1 |files|MULTIMEDIA: Audio |mpesch3's mp3 tools |(Donationware) ||
| | |Player |(Martin Pesch) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|WinAmp Classic |- |MULTIMEDIA: Audio |Nullsoft |(Freeware) ||
| | |Player | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |MULTIMEDIA: |Starduck.net (David |(Donationware) ||
|Screamer Radio |- |Player/Recorder: |Zidar) |(free) ||
| | |Streaming Media | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Wink |files|MULTIMEDIA: Screen|(Satish Kumar) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Capture: Video | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|GSpot |- |MULTIMEDIA: AV |(Steven Greenberg) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Properties | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Media Player |files|MULTIMEDIA: |(Gabest; Rob Schultz; |(Freeware) (open ||
|Classic | |Multimedia Player |J. VICTOR) |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|QuickTime | |MULTIMEDIA: | | ||
|Alternative (v |- |Multimedia Player |KL Software |(Freeware) ||
|1.81) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Real Alternative|- |MULTIMEDIA: |KL Software |(Freeware) ||
| | |Multimedia Player | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ant Movie | |MULTIMEDIA: | |(Donationware) ||
|Catalog |files|Organizer: Movies |(Antoine Potten) |(open source: GNU ||
| | | | |GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Cathy |files|ORGANIZERS: |(Robert Vasicek) |(Requestware) ||
| | |Cataloger | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |ORGANIZERS: | | ||
|dirhtml |files|Cataloger: Web |(Eric Nitzsche) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Site Index Maker | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|EssentialPIM |files|ORGANIZERS: PIM |EPim Ltd. |(Betaware) ||
|(EPIM) | | | |(Freeware) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|UK's Kalender |files|ORGANIZERS: |(Ulrich Krebs) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Calendar-Reminders| | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |ORGANIZERS: | |(Freeware) (open ||
|KeyNote |files|Organizer: |(Marek Jedlinski) |source: Mozilla ||
| | |Notes-Rich Text | |Public License) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|TreePad Lite and| |ORGANIZERS: |Freebyte.com (Henk | ||
|TreePad Asia |files|Organizer: |Hagedoorn) |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Notes-Text | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (free ||
|AtNotes (v 9.5) |files|ORGANIZERS: Notes |(Thomas Ascher) |for personal use/ ||
| | |And Reminders | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) LFW (v 9.5) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Calendar Magic |files|ORGANIZERS: |EuroSoft (Alex Balfour)|(Freeware) ||
| | |Calendar | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Rainlendar |files|ORGANIZERS: |(Rainy (Kimmo Pekkola))|(Donationware) ||
| | |Calendar | |(Liteware) (free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Betaware) ||
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|WorldTime |- |ORGANIZERS: Clock |PawPrint |(free) a stable ||
| | | | |version is also ||
| | | | |available ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|TClockEx |files|ORGANIZERS: Clock |(Dale Nurden) |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Customizer | |source) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Neutron |files|ORGANIZERS: Time |(Robin Keir) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Synchronizer | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Betaware) ||
| | |PROGRAMMING: | |(Freeware) (open ||
|Frhed |files|Editor: Hex |(Raihan Kibria) |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | | | |Marked as Beta for||
| | | | |years. Stable. ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|AutoHotkey |files|PROGRAMMING: |(Chris Mallett) |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Automation: Macros| |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |PROGRAMMING: |Hiddensoft (Jonathan |(Donationware) ||
|AutoIt |files|Automation: Macros|Bennett) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|HelpMaker |- |PROGRAMMING: CHM: |Vizacc |(Freeware) ||
| | |Help Files | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |PROGRAMMING: |Jordan Russell's |(Donationware) ||
|Inno Setup |files|Programming: |Software (Jordan |(free) (open ||
| | |Installer |Russell) |source) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |PROGRAMMING: |Python Software |(Freeware) (open ||
|Python |files|Programming: |Foundation (non-profit)|source: Python ||
| | |Language |(Guido van Rossum |License) ||
| | | |(BDFL); e.a.) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Resource Hacker | |PROGRAMMING: | |(Freeware) LFW ( v||
|(v 3.4.0) |files|Resource Tool: |(Angus Johnson) |3.4.0) ||
| | |Extractor; Editor | |discontinued ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|TWEAK UI |- |PROGRAMMING: |Microsoft |(Freeware) ||
| | |System Tweaker | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Betaware) ||
|X-Setup Pro (was| |PROGRAMMING: |(Michael 'TeX HeX' |(Freeware) (free ||
|Xteq X-Setup) (v|- |System Tweaker |Tro:ger) |for personal use/ ||
|6.6) | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) LFW (v 6.6) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) ||
| | | | |(Registerware: ||
| | |SECURITY: | |keyed) (Trialware:||
|Avast! |- |Anti-Virus |ALWIL Software |time limited (1 ||
| | | | |year) renewable) ||
| | | | |(free for personal||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
|AVG Anti-Virus |- |SECURITY: |Grisoft |for personal use/ ||
|System | |Anti-Virus | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |use) (unsupported)||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|F-Prot Antivirus| |SECURITY: |Frisk Software |(Freeware) (free ||
|for DOS (v |- |Anti-Virus |International |for personal use) ||
|3.16f) | | | |LFW (v 3.16f) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Kerio Personal | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
|Firewall (v |- |SECURITY: Firewall|Kerio Technologies Inc.|for personal use) ||
|2.1.5) | | | |LFW (v 2.1.5) ||
| | | | |earlier version ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Sygate Personal | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
|Firewall (v |- |SECURITY: Firewall|Sygate Technologies |for personal use) ||
|5.6.2808) | | |Inc. |LFW (v 5.6.2808) ||
| | | | |(was Registerware)||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
| | | | |for personal use) ||
|ZoneAlarm (Zone |- |SECURITY: Firewall|Check Point (Zone Labs)|bundled with ||
|Alarm) | | | |Trialware ||
| | | | |(installation is ||
| | | | |optional). ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ad-Aware |- |SECURITY: |Lavasoft |(Liteware) (free ||
| | |Anti-Spyware | |for personal use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Spybot Search & |files|SECURITY: |PepiMK Software |(Donationware) ||
|Destroy | |Anti-Spyware |(Patrick M. Kolla) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
| | |SECURITY: | |(free for personal||
|SpywareBlaster |- |Anti-Spyware |Javacool Software LLC |use/ ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SECURITY: |SUPERAntiSpyware.com |(Donationware) ||
|SUPERAntiSpyware|files|Anti-Spyware |(Nick Skrepetos) |(Liteware) (free ||
| | | | |for personal use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|KeePass Password|files|SECURITY: Password|(Dominik Reichl; |(free) (open ||
|Safe | |Manager |project team) |source: Artistic ||
| | | | |License) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SECURITY: Password|(Bruce |(Freeware) (open ||
|Password Safe |files|Manager |Schneider.(original |source: Artistic ||
| | | |author); project team) |License) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Revelation |- |SECURITY: Password|SnadBoy Software |(Donationware) ||
| | |Recovery | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|AxCrypt |files|SECURITY: |Axantum Software AB |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Encryption Tool |(Svante Seleborg) |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
| | |SECURITY: |TrueCrypt Foundation |(free) (open ||
|TrueCrypt |files|Encryption Tool |(Ennead; Syncon) |source: TrueCrypt ||
| | | | |Collective ||
| | | | |License) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Freeware) (open ||
|WinDirStat |files|Cataloger: Disk |(Oliver Schneider) |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | |Space | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|Aida32 |- |System Information|Aida32 (Tamas Miklos) |3.94.2) ||
| | |Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (free ||
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |for personal use/ ||
|Belarc Advisor |- |System Information|Belarc |some ||
| | |Tool | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) ||
|EVEREST Home | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Registerware) ||
|Edition (v |- |System Information|Lavalys Consulting |(free for personal||
|1.51.195) | |Tool |Group Inc. |use) LFW ||
| | | | |(v1.51.195) last ||
| | | | |uncrippled version||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|System | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Liteware) (free ||
|Information for |files|System Information|(Gabriel Topala) |for personal use) ||
|Windows (SIW) | |Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |UltimateBootCD.Com |(Donationware) ||
|Ultimate Boot CD|files|System Information|(Charles Appel; Scott |(free) (open ||
| | |Tool |Wares; Victor Chew; |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | | |project team) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Memtest86 (Chris Brady |(Donationware) ||
|Memtest86 |files|Memory Tester |(original author)) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|SpeedFan |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Alfredo Milani |(Donationware) ||
| | |Motherboard |Comparetti) |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Microsoft (was | ||
|Process Explorer|- |Process Monitor |Sysinternals) (Mark |(Freeware) ||
| | | |Russinovich) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Microsoft (was | ||
|Filemon |- |Process Monitor: |Sysinternals) (Mark |(Freeware) ||
| | |Files |Russinovich and Bryce | ||
| | | |Cogswell) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Microsoft (was | ||
|RegMon |- |Process Monitor: |Sysinternals) (Mark |(Freeware) ||
| | |Registry |Russinovich and Bryce | ||
| | | |Cogswell) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Process Guard | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Diamond Computer |(Liteware) (free ||
|(ProcessGuard) |- |Process Monitor: |Systems Pty. Ltd. |for personal use) ||
| | |Protect Processes | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Start-Up Monitor| |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Donationware) ||
|(Startup |- |Process Monitor: |(Mike Lin) |(free) ||
|Monitor) | |Start-Up | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | |Microsoft (was | ||
|Autoruns |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Sysinternals) (Mark |(Freeware) ||
| | |Start-up Manager |Russinovich and Bryce | ||
| | | |Cogswell) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Startup Control |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Mike Lin) |(Donationware) ||
|Panel | |Start-up Manager | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|PE Builder |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Nu2 Productions (Bart |(Freeware) ||
| | |Boot Disk Creator |Lagerweij) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ultimate Boot CD| | | | ||
|for Windows | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | | ||
|(UBCD4Win) (was |- |Boot Disk: |(Benjamin Burrows) |(Freeware) ||
|Windows Ultimate| |Utilities Disk | | ||
|Boot CD) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Ranish Partition| |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | | ||
|Manager |files|Partition Manager;|Ranish (Mikhail Ranish)|(Freeware) ||
| | |Boot Manager | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Bart Hakvoort; Patrick|(Donationware) ||
|GParted LiveCD |files|Partition Tool |Verner; project team) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Partition Saving|files|SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(D. Guibouret) |(Freeware) ||
|(was Savepart) | |Partition Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|CCleaner (Crap | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Piriform Ltd. (was |(free) the ||
|Cleaner) |- |Registry And File |CCleaner |standard build is ||
| | |Tools | |bundled with ||
| | | | |Yahoo's IE Toolbar||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |ToniArts (Toni |(Donationware) ||
|EasyCleaner |- |Registry And File |Helenius) |(free) ||
| | |Tools | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|jv16 Powertools | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|(v 1.3.0.195) |- |Registry And File |(Jouni Vuorio) |1.3.0.195) last ||
| | |Tools | |uncrippled version||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Hover Inc. (Thibaud |(Freeware) (free ||
|RegSeeker |- |Registry And File |Djian; Russ Schwenkler)|for personal use) ||
| | |Tools | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Index.dat Suite |files|SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Ur I.T. Mate Group |(Freeware) ||
| | |Cleaner: Files |(Steven Burn) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Total Uninstall | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|(v 2.35) |- |Install-Uninstall |(Gavrila Martau (Gabi))|2.35) ||
| | |Tool | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Luis Cobian; project |(Donationware) ||
|Cobian Backup |files|Backup Files |team) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: MPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|DriveImage XML |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Runtime Software |(Freeware) (free ||
| | |Backup Files |(Ragnhild Fesel) |for personal use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|Karen's |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Karen Kenworthy) |(free for personal||
|Replicator | |Backup Files | |use) (source code ||
| | | | |included) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
|XXCopy |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Pixelab (Kan Yabumoto) |for personal use/ ||
| | |Backup Files | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | | ||
|SyncBack |files|Backup Files: |2BrightSparks |(Liteware) (free) ||
|Freeware | |Syncronize | | ||
| | |Directories | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|My Own Backup |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Fredrik Johansson ) |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|(MOB) (v 2.1) | |Backup Files: ZIP | |2.1) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Emergency | |SYSTEM UTILITIES: | | ||
|Recovery Utility|files|Backup: Registry |(Lars Hederer) |(Freeware) ||
|NT (ERUNT) | | | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(free) LFW (v ||
| | | | |3.47) Later ||
|DAEMON Tools |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |THE DAEMONs HOME |versions are ||
| | |Virtual CD | |bundled with ||
| | | | |Adware ||
| | | | |(installation is ||
| | | | |optional). ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|CDBurnerXP Pro |files|SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Stefan Haglund) |(Freeware) ||
| | |CD-DVD: Burner | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|DeepBurner Free |files|SYSTEM UTILITIES: |Astonsoft Co. Ltd. |(Liteware) (free ||
| | |CD-DVD: Burner | |for personal use) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (open ||
|4DOS |files|SYSTEM UTILITIES: |JP Software Inc. (Rex |source: modified ||
| | |DOS |Conn) |MIT license) ||
| | | | |unsupported ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|KNOPPIX |- |SYSTEM UTILITIES: |(Klaus Knopper) |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |Operating System | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Extended | |TEXT: Extended |AriTech Development |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|Character Map (v|files|Characters |Indonesia (Sony Arianto|1.41) ||
|1.41) | | |Kurniawan) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |TEXT: Extended |(Jeroen Laarhoven |(Freeware) (open ||
|AllChars |- |Characters: Form |(original author); |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | |Filler |Joachim Breuer) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|The Font Thing |- |TEXT: Font Manager|(Sue Fisher) |(Betaware) ||
| | | | |(Freeware) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|MetaPad |files|TEXT: Editor |(Alexander Davidson) |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|NoteTab Light |files|TEXT: Editor |Fookes Software (Eric |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | | |G.V. Fookes) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|yWriter |files|TEXT: Editor |Spacejock Software |(Freeware) ||
| | | |(Simon Haynes) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Liteware) (free ||
| | | |Just Great Software Co.|for personal use/ ||
|EditPad Lite |files|TEXT: Editor: Code|Ltd. (Jan Goyvaerts) |some ||
| | | | |non-commercial ||
| | | | |uses) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationware) ||
|Notepad++ |files|TEXT: Editor: Code|(Don HO) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|PSPad |files|TEXT: Editor: Code|(Jan Fiala) |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|TED Notepad |files|TEXT: Editor: Code|(Juraj Simlovic) |(Donationware) ||
| | | | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |TEXT: Editor: Word|SourceGear Corporation |(Donationware) ||
|AbiWord |files|Processor |(Dom Lachowicz) |(free) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Atlantis Nova |files|TEXT: Editor: Word|Rising Sun Solutions |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |Processor | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|Crypt Edit (v | |TEXT: Editor: Word|PolySoft Solutions |(Freeware) LFW (v ||
|4.10) |files|Processor |(Ulyanov Ilya |4.10) discontinued||
| | | |Andreevich) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|UnxUtils |files|TEXT: Text Tool |(Karl M. Syring) |(Freeware) (open ||
| | | | |source: GNU GPL) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|ExamDiff |files|TEXT: Compare Text|PrestoSoft |(Liteware) (free) ||
| | |In Files | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|FreePDF and |files|TEXT: Convert Text|(Stefan Heinz) |(Donationware) ||
|FreePDF XP | |To PDF | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | |artofcode LLC and |(Freeware) (open ||
|GhostScript |files|TEXT: Convert Text|Artifex Software |source: AFPL or ||
| | |To PDF |(originally written by |GNU GPL) ||
| | | |Aladdin Enterprises) | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Donationwareware)||
| | | | |(free) (open ||
|PDFCreator |files|TEXT: Convert Text|Sector7g |source: GNU GPL) ||
| | |To PDF | |no toolbar version||
| | | | |= Spyware-free ||
| | | | |version ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |TEXT: Convert: |Wayne Software (Bruce | ||
|HTMStrip |- |HTML To Text And |Guthrie) |(Freeware) ||
| | |Tables | | ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) older ||
|HTML-Kit |- |WEB DESIGN: |Chami.com |version of a ||
| | |Editor: HTML | |commercial program||
| | | | |(HTML-Kit Tools) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | | | |(Freeware) (open ||
| | |WEB DESIGN: |Linspire Inc. (Daniel |source: Mozilla ||
|Nvu |files|Editor: WYSIWYG |Glazman (lead |Public ||
| | | |developer)) |License/LGPL/GPL ||
| | | | |tri-license) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
|JAlbum |files|WEB DESIGN: Image |(David Ekholm) |(Donationware) ||
| | |Gallery | |(free) ||
|----------------+-----+------------------+-----------------------+------------------+|
| | |WEB DESIGN: |Rainbow Software and | ||
|JPEG Cleaner |- |Cleaner: Image |PiT |(Freeware) ||
| | |Files | | ||
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
Corrections:
* Deleted wrong statement as noted in:
Message-ID: <h3tydoydvxxy$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
* Wording of proposed footnote (cf. number 8) changed (Thanks, Craig!):
Message-ID: <g9ms4t$bpj$1...@registered.motzarella.org>
Unresolved:
* Selection criteria for PL2008
* Still no ASCII art included. - Sorry, Craig, but you are far better off
this way... ;-)
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[Please snip when replying to this posting! - Thank you.]
I propose the start of the Pricelessware 2008 list (hereinafter referred to
as PL2008) selection process.
In continuation of preceding Pricelessware lists, this years selection shall
again provide a synopsis of the freeware programs most popular among those
alt.comp.freeware (= acf) participants, that take part in the election.
Before we go into the details of the Pricelessware selection process, I'd
like to use the opportunity (doubtless on behalf of all participants of the
PL2008 election) to thank *all* freeware authors for their time and efforts
spent to create the programs and for the generosity of releasing them as
freeware! Regardless of whether a program is nominated or even selected as
Pricelessware, or not - we deeply appreciate your work! :-)
The success of each Pricelessware election heavily depends on contribution.
Programs, that are not nominated (or that are not accompanied by a minimum
set of information, including a second) are not eligible for voting...
Programs, nobody votes for, can not be chosen as Pricelessware...
Although I hope for a lean selection process, there are quite a few matters
that need consideration. In the following text I'll address some of them.
(And usually propose a solution, as well...)
1. According to the preliminary discussion of the last couple of days, the
preferred reference year for the current Pricelessware selection is 2008.
If enough posters voice a different opinion in the upcoming discussion,
the matter will be decided by an additional question in the vote thread.
We'll nevertheless stick to the [PL2008] tag *during* the selection.
2. Proposed Timeline (YYYY-MM-DD):
2008-09-01: Begin of the PL2008 process; general discussion
2008-09-03: Start of program nominations (+ seconds); program discussion
2008-09-24: End of program nominations
2008-09-27: Last chance for seconds and discussion
2008-09-28: Start of voting period
2008-10-05: End of voting period
2008-10-06: Preliminary list and start of final discussion
A couple of days later: PL2008 - Final List
Start events are ready before 12:00 am Central European Summer Time (CEST).
End events will be closed at 12:00 pm Central European Summer Time (CEST).
3. The following threads will be created during the PL2008 process:
* [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Proposal and General Discussion
* [PL2008] How to filter Pricelessware 2008 threads
* [PL2008] Program Nominations
* [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions
+ [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions - Program AB
:
+ [PL2008] Program and Category Discussions - Program YZ
* [PL2008] Pricelessware 2008 - Votes
* [PL2008] Results Discussion
* [PL2008] Final Pricelessware 2008 List
Subject changes are discouraged - with the exception of the program and
category discussion thread, where those changes seem to be necessary to
simplify reading and ignoring of subthreads.
4. The following main categories have been used for previous Pricelessware
elections (*examples* for subcategories in parentheses):
* BUSINESS-HOME (e.g. Calculator: scientific | Database | Office Suite)
* DESKTOP (e.g. Desktop Manager | Clipboard: Extender | Magnify)
* FILE UTILITIES (e.g. File Analyzer | File Manager | File Viewer | Search)
* GRAPHICS (e.g. Editor 3D | Viewer | ASCII Art | Exif Tool | Color Picker)
* INTERNET (e.g. Browser | Content Filter | Email Client | Newsreader)
* MULTIMEDIA (e.g. Audio Editor | Audio Player: Midi | DVD Player)
* ORGANIZERS (e.g. PIM | Diary | Reminders: Scheduler | Calendar | Clock)
* PROGRAMMING (e.g. Editor: Hex | Compiler | Resource Tool: Extractor)
* SECURITY (e.g. Anti-Virus | Firewall | Packet Sniffer | Password Manager)
* SYSTEM UTILITIES (e.g. Tool Collection | Hardware Monitor | RAM Disk)
* TEXT (e.g. Editor: Code | Text Stats | PDF Tool | Convert Text To Speech)
* WEB DESIGN (e.g. Editor: HTML | Wiki | Image Dicer | HTML Parser)
Neither categories nor subcategories are fixed, at the moment. Everybody,
who nominates a program, can suggest a categorization. Posters with
other suggestions should put this matter in the "Program and Category
Discussions" thread. Matters of continuing dissent will be subject of an
additional question in the "Vote" thread.
5. Any posting of a program description in the "Nominations" thread (even if
it is not the complete minimum set) will count as nomination. People ought
not post descriptions of programs they don't want to nominate.
Posting additions/corrections to an existent program nomination does *not*
automatically count as second, i.e. one poster needs to explicitly declare
to be a second for a program.
6. Proposed minimum set for a program description:
- PROGRAM_NAME: <Generally used name; shorter/longer form in parenthesis)
- VERSION: <As formatted by the program author>
and/or
- RELEASE_DATE: <YYYY-MM-DD; don't use the download date of an archive>
- HOMEPAGE: <Website (if existent; else a download is required)>
- CATEGORY: <See above>
- SUB-CATEGORY: <See above>
Other information that *should* be provided:
- DOWNLOAD: <Http or Ftp address; may be a page or a direct archive link>
- WINDOWS_OS: <Windows or detailed list like Windows 9x,2000,XP,Vista>
- OTHER_OS: <DOS, Mac OS X,...>
- DESCRIPTION: <Purpose of the program, some important pro's and con's>
Suggestions for additional useful information tags can be found on
Little Girls Freeware Description Creator page:
http://acfwiki.pbwiki.com/f/ProgramDescriptionCreator.html
Hover the mouse over a tag to see a detailed description of its meaning.
7. Eligible for voting will be all posters (identified by their pseudonyms),
that ever posted to alt.comp.freeware until 12:00 pm CEST of the 27th
September 2008. Everybody is urged to vote only *once*. Corrections of
unintended wrong votes have to be clearly marked. Supersedes/Cancels are
seriously discouraged.
Obvious fake votes and justified surmises of double-votings (by means of
different pseudonyms) will be discussed in the "Final discussion" thread.
Abuse notifications to the ISP of the poster may be filed in such cases.
8. Programs will be eligible for voting, when they receive a nomination and
a second (regardless of the *ware type). If at least 2 posters declare
a program not being freeware (ant-nomination, anti-second), the issue
will be included as an additional question in the vote thread. If the
program gets enough votes for being Pricelessware, but a majority of the
voters says the program is *not* freeware, then the program gets a
footnote in the final list stating the additional vote result:
"[**] Freeware status of this application is questioned by a simple
majority of respondents."
The first program with unquestioned freeware status in a subcategory will
*also* be listed, as long as it got the minimum vote count necessary for
selection.
Obvious fake nominations and votes, as well as unseemly promotion of
payware will again be dealt with in the "Final discussion" thread.
9. The rules for the final selection need to be discussed in the next couple
of days. During the last years, the limits were set rather empirically.
As one possible scheme I interpose the following procedure into the
discussion (Ceil = Round *up* to the next integer):
* x1 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/10) ... ~10 %
* x2 = Ceil(number_of_valid_voters/20) ... ~5 %
* Any program that has at least x1 votes and got the maximum number of
votes in a subcategory is selected.
* Any other program of the same category is selected, as well, as long
as it also has at least x1 votes and not fewer than "the number of
votes of the best program in the subcategory" minus x1 votes.
* Special treatment for "successor" programs will be done according to
the suggestion in point 8.
* Any subcategory that receives less than x1 overall votes after excluding
all programs that have fewer than x2 number of votes has to be regarded
as niche. A program from a niche category will be selected, when it
receives at least x2 votes.
* According to the previous paragraph, there can only be one program
selected for every niche subcategory. This way, a subcategory may
stay empty with 2 or more programs locking themselves with about
5 to <10 %. But since a category with at least ~10 % of the overall
vote count can hardly be considered a niche, this could, IMHO, be
regarded as normal vote result.
10. There will be a separate thread to show those readers of acf, that are
not interested in the PL2008 election, how to filter such messages out.
11. Some acf posters objected against the heading of the last Pricelessware
lists, which could be read, as if all posters of acf had participated in
its creation. I suggest, we include the number of voters in the heading
of the PL2008 results list:
PL2008 - "... selected by XX alt.comp.freeware participants"
Depending on the discussion in this thread, the above change will be
applied without vote or decided by an additional question in the vote
thread.
12. At least one poster mentioned a means to declare non-participation as
(in his opinion) necessity for a ballot like the PL2008 election. There
will be an option to do so in the "Vote" thread. I will *not* put this
matter to a majority decision, because I regard this as a case of
"freedom of speech", which *must not* be controlled by majority votes.
We'll see, how many posters make use from this possibility...
The number of posters explicitly dissociating themselves from the
PL2008 will be shown in a footnote to the list:
"[*] YY alt.comp.freeware posters wished to note, that they did not
take part in the Pricelessware selection."
(Suggestions for better wording are welcome.)
I wish our Pricelessware selection process success and a good deal of new
interesting information around freeware programs for anybody participating
(or just reading the posts).
BeAr
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson
> 2. Proposed Timeline (YYYY-MM-DD):
[...]
> 2008-09-27: Last chance for seconds and discussion
> 2008-09-28: Start of voting period
[...]
> Start events are ready before 12:00 am Central European Summer Time (CEST).
> End events will be closed at 12:00 pm Central European Summer Time (CEST).
I'm sorry to announce, that we are a bit behind schedule. Voting should
have been started by now. In order to check the (sub)category system for
the current election we need to take a bit more time. Please have a look
at this subthread:
Message-ID: <67tq94w8...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>
to take part in the revision.
Voting will start in a couple of hours. So be prepared to support your
favorites! ;-)
BeAr