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Mark Ciochetto

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May 28, 2008, 2:10:09 PM5/28/08
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I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which is the
best to use?


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Franklin

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May 28, 2008, 4:31:29 PM5/28/08
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On Wed 28 May 2008 19:10:09, Mark Ciochetto wrote:
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> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me
> which is the best to use?
>


There aren't many, are there?

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John

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May 28, 2008, 4:36:30 PM5/28/08
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Mark Ciochetto wrote:
> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which is the
> best to use?
>
>

I would start by going back over some of the resent posts about here
defraggers first.

John.

Johnw

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May 28, 2008, 4:45:21 PM5/28/08
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Mark Ciochetto formulated the question :

> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which is the
> best to use?

Here is a starting point.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/bdad42d33ea79c24?hl=en

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/search?hl=en&q=defrag&start=0&scoring=d&hl=en&


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May 28, 2008, 4:46:40 PM5/28/08
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Which begs the question....

What's wrong with the standard defragger that comes with windows?

Flasherly

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May 28, 2008, 5:14:27 PM5/28/08
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Read the included UltimateDefrag 172 PDF help file section, if not
directly within explaining the consolidate "option", then a mention to
consolidation under general aims, for a general regard and stratagem
many defraggers utilize. Not as much wrong, as what suits your intent
-- if the factory included tires on a Ford Ranger are 175/15 and I put
on such as 195/15, are my chances better I'll save in the long run
long run over reduced tread wear, than a cost at .75% decreased fuel
efficiency larger tires yield, and will the resulting ride in a higher
standing truck be worth it? Something along that line ... like others
(commercial) whose options focus on watching the user for "downtime"
settings to run when less likely to draw resources from the user.

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May 28, 2008, 5:27:05 PM5/28/08
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Yeah but what other options does a person need/want when it comes to
defragging? Me, myself and I like to have it scheduled weekly but the
end result, the HD is defragmented and I'm happy.

What other options are needed and/or wanted?

filthy-mcnasty

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Using at least one appendage, the entity known in this space-time
continuum as Franklin <nev...@d.sight.of.it> revealed in
news:Xns9AACDAF6...@127.0.0.1:

You Could try JKDefrag:
http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/

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filthy-mcnasty at bigfoot dot com

No nastier than you; No filthier than usual

Franklin

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May 28, 2008, 6:08:46 PM5/28/08
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The standard XP defragger was written by Diskeeper and they are not too
complimentary about it themselves.

One annoying thing is that the standard XP defragger is sensitive to
other work which makes changes to the hard drive.

See also: "Disk Defragmenter Limitations in Windows 2000, Windows XP,
and Windows Server 2003" http://support.microsoft.com/kb/227463/

Flasherly

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May 28, 2008, 6:11:22 PM5/28/08
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That may be so, then. My first defragger was put out by a lean Peter
Norton (in his younger years w/out the added midriff). DOS stuff,
though. Directories could be listed for order and subsequent physical
layout on a HD, as well respectively files. Again, concepts and
precepts to what HD heads are actually doing as a thought for
accompanying the program's PDF document.

Duddits

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May 28, 2008, 7:08:15 PM5/28/08
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 22:32:21 +0200, FredW <fr...@blackholespam.net>> wrote:

>Some prefer JKDefrag
>http://www.kessels.com/JkDefrag/
>
>Simple and effective.
> ;-)
>
>If you want a GUI for JKDefrag
>http://www.emro.nl/freeware/
>
>I prefer not to use the GUI.

I'm not too keen using command line along with Windows Task Scheduler. JK
Defrag GUI makes it a no-brainer to schedule regular defrags. The GUI also
includes pagefile defrag, registry defrag and easy system cleanup.
YMMV

regards

Dud
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hummingbird

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May 28, 2008, 7:26:44 PM5/28/08
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:08:15 -0400 'Duddits'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

The alternative to using the GUI is to run JKdefrag from a regular
shortcut for a specific partition and adding the parameters on the
end to tell it what functions to use ... eg: defrag only,
quick/complete optimisation. Of course you get no scheduling
function with that.

I'm not even sure you can run the program from a conventional
commandline. I'll check it out.


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Dan Goodman

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May 28, 2008, 8:26:36 PM5/28/08
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Mark Ciochetto wrote:

> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
> is the best to use?

I like UltimateDefrag best.

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Stefan

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:48:36 -0500, "filthy-mcnasty"
<filthy-...@here.now> wrote:

>Using at least one appendage, the entity known in this space-time
>continuum as Franklin <nev...@d.sight.of.it> revealed in
>news:Xns9AACDAF6...@127.0.0.1:
>
>> On Wed 28 May 2008 19:10:09, Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>>>
>>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me
>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>
>>
>> There aren't many, are there?
>
>You Could try JKDefrag:
>http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/

Another vote for this one!
Been using it for quite some time now, does the job nice and ... uhmm,
relatively fast :)

stefan

Bear Bottoms

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May 28, 2008, 8:50:18 PM5/28/08
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:26:36 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:

> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>
>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
>> is the best to use?
>
> I like UltimateDefrag best.
>

Me too, but JKDefrag is good also.


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Me Here

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:26:36 -0500, Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
>>> is the best to use?
>>
>> I like UltimateDefrag best.
>>
> Me too, but JKDefrag is good also.
>
>
Me three.

Even though nearly all defraggers use the same MS Windows API's to
defrag, the claims that their product is the best because their sorting
of files is the best is purely speculation as it depends on a great many
factors including the use and type of data you store on a computer.
After trying a bunch, I like the UltimateDefrag interface the best.

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far, it's working like a dream.

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Franklin

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On Thu 29 May 2008 02:41:11, Me Here wrote:

>
> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:26:36 -0500, Dan Goodman
>> <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me
>>>> which is the best to use?
>>>
>>> I like UltimateDefrag best.
>>>
>> Me too, but JKDefrag is good also.
>>
>>
> Me three.
>
> Even though nearly all defraggers use the same MS Windows API's to
> defrag, the claims that their product is the best because their
> sorting of files is the best is purely speculation as it depends
> on a great many factors including the use and type of data you
> store on a computer. After trying a bunch, I like the
> UltimateDefrag interface the best.
>


Very true.

In addition, some defraggers use more a efficient algorithm than
other others. For example: Diskeeper ($$$ware) likes to run as a
multi-pass defragger. Whereas PerfectDisk ($$$ware) is designed to
defrag in a single pass and is impressive in how well it does so.

Also, some defraggers need a lot of spare space to work in (such as
the XP native defragger) but others can defrag with only a tiny part
of the partition free.

Frank Bohan

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May 29, 2008, 11:37:41 AM5/29/08
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"John" <z...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6a5u28F...@mid.individual.net...

FWIW I use:

Auslogics Disk Defrag http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/

I also recommend a separate program for defragging the registry:

Auslogics Registry Defrag
http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/registry-defrag

===

ś White dwarf seeks red giant for binary relationship.


Craig

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May 29, 2008, 11:59:02 AM5/29/08
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Frank Bohan wrote:
> "John" <z...@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6a5u28F...@mid.individual.net...
>> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which is
>>> the best to use?
>> I would start by going back over some of the resent posts about here
>> defraggers first.
>
> FWIW I use:
>
> Auslogics Disk Defrag http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag/
>
> I also recommend a separate program for defragging the registry:
>
> Auslogics Registry Defrag
> http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/registry-defrag
>

And fwiw, I use...

Defragging HD: JKDefrag <http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/>,
Defragging Registry: NTREGOPT <larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/>,
Defragging Pagefile, hibernation files, etc:
<technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx>

toodles,
-Craig

Duddits

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May 29, 2008, 4:42:03 PM5/29/08
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:02 -0700, Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com>
wrote:

>And fwiw, I use...
>
>Defragging HD: JKDefrag <http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/>,
>Defragging Registry: NTREGOPT <larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/>,
>Defragging Pagefile, hibernation files, etc:
><technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897426.aspx>
>
>toodles,

fwiw JK Defrag Gui downloads and installs all of this and can be easily
accessed by noobs and olds alike ;-)
http://www.emro.nl/freeware/

s|b

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On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:10:09 GMT, Mark Ciochetto wrote:

> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which is the
> best to use?

I asked myself that same question a while ago, so I used Google Groups
to search through the archives of this newsgroup. This led me to Power
Defragmenter, a GUI (Graphic User Interface) application for program
Contig by Sysinternals. Contig is a very powerful defragmentation
application designed for Windows NT/2000/XP operating systems.

<http://freeweb.siol.net/razor256/downloads/PowerDefragmenterGUI.zip>
<http://download.sysinternals.com/Files/Contig.zip>

--
s|b

Franklin

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May 29, 2008, 6:55:46 PM5/29/08
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> -Craig
>


Nice idea. Bit of a chore having to use so many utilities but I guess
that's the way it is.

Maybe also use something like the trial version (ok it's not freeware)
of Diskeeper to defrag the MFT which does not seem to be touched by the
tools listed.

http://www.kessels.com/forum/index.php?topic=984.msg6085#msg6085
http://www.kessels.com/forum/index.php?topic=1003.0
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/archMFT-c.html

Daniel Mandic

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Jun 29, 2008, 2:21:20 PM6/29/08
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Mark Ciochetto wrote:

> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
> is the best to use?


Hi Mark!


None.

Windows XP for example (with plenty RAM, ~512MB and more) does not
benefit. Maybe the startuptime decreases down to e.g. 30 sec instead of
33 secs. Wheeew, 3sec once a day... I can not even use that time to
light up a cigarette. So...., useless!

All you can achieve is, that you destroy your HD before its normal
deadtime...

It doesn't matter. NTFS is genius enough to manage all your ways of
writing, deleting and scribing.

A fresh install will make it all new. And even if you would like to use
a (e.g.) XP install longer than two years, then make your defragging
after two years :-).

weekly defragging is more to humans :-))))

Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: I do replace physically the c:/windows drawer, any time I do a
fresh install. By placing 2 2gig DOS drives before the XP... the next
time I do 1 0.5gig and 1 1gig dos drives (FAT16, with dos system too,
off course). So that the main swapping parts by Windows, C\windows,
pagefile.sys is not everytime on the same phsically place. And a
'low-level format' before all that I told...
10y lifetime is not seldom (e.g. 60GB Maxtor, 1999), and I can't tell
it longer, because some of my 10y old drives are "still" in operation.
stay tuned....

<strolling crow>

Craig

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Jun 29, 2008, 3:02:17 PM6/29/08
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Daniel Mandic wrote:
> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>
>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
>> is the best to use?
>
>
> Hi Mark!
>
>
> None.
>
> Windows XP for example (with plenty RAM, ~512MB and more) does not
> benefit. Maybe the startuptime decreases down to e.g. 30 sec instead of
> 33 secs. Wheeew, 3sec once a day... I can not even use that time to
> light up a cigarette. So...., useless!
>
> All you can achieve is, that you destroy your HD before its normal
> deadtime...
>
> It doesn't matter. NTFS is genius enough to manage all your ways of
> writing, deleting and scribing.
>
> A fresh install will make it all new. And even if you would like to use
> a (e.g.) XP install longer than two years, then make your defragging
> after two years :-).
>
> weekly defragging is more to humans :-))))

Hi Daniel;

Good to "see" you again. Not to start an argument but, NTFS does
fragment and continuously. Defragmenting does help in overall
long-terms system stability and performance: Especially true for a
server but also for a workstation.

For more details, check out:

<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742585.aspx>
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc137767(TechNet.10).aspx>

Of course, you're right that a proper, fresh install will also make a
system zippier...

To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger & NTREGOPT.

hth,
-Craig

Bear Bottoms

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
wrote:

> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger & NTREGOPT.

What you mean *we* paleface :)

I like the glitz of Ultimate Defrag...
http://www.disktrix.com/downloads/UltimateDefragFREEPublicDomainEditionSetup.exe

New age man!

Craig

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger & NTREGOPT.
>
> What you mean *we* paleface :)

Why, "we" as in the royal sense of the word, "I." Of course. And we
are not amused. <g>

Apparently, it needs XP or higher? Just tried running the install on my
win2ksp4 so I could read the license and the install crapped out. Which
brings me to ask, BB: Is this free for commercial as well as personal use?

tia,
-Craig

Daniel Mandic

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Jun 29, 2008, 4:52:41 PM6/29/08
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Craig wrote:

> Good to "see" you again. Not to start an argument but, NTFS does
> fragment and continuously. Defragmenting does help in overall
> long-terms system stability and performance: Especially true for a
> server but also for a workstation.

Hi Craig!

:)

Off course, if you have the free time to defrag and the 'hardware'
(more Read-Write Input/Output operations, do decrease the lifetime),
then you are on the "performance side".

In normal Windows operation I see no reason to defrag. The caching
strategies by XP are very nice to me, especially when you have big ram
and HD's with much cache. The performance increase by starting an
application, when defragged, is maybe 1.9 sec instead of 2 sec., and
this is only the first time reading. Next time (cached) it starts
nearly as fast as out of RAM. At least with NT4, NT5 and NT5.1, AFAIK.

Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

Roger Hunt

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In article <4867d29e$0$2246$91ce...@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>,
Daniel Mandic <daniel...@aon.at> writes

>Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>
>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
>> is the best to use?
>
>None.
>
>Windows XP for example (with plenty RAM, ~512MB and more) does not
>benefit. Maybe the startuptime decreases down to e.g. 30 sec instead of
>33 secs. Wheeew, 3sec once a day... I can not even use that time to
>light up a cigarette. So...., useless!
>
I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but not
smoke it completely.
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:09:55 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
wrote:

Yes...it is a Public Domain version. I'll put up the PDF V1 help file
which explains...in two minutes goto:

http://bearware.info/UltimateDefragV1HelpFile.pdf

Daniel Mandic

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Roger Hunt wrote:

Crikey! ....really?

I need sometimes minutes to finish one (distracted by other doings :-)).
hmmmm, having some sec's more (~5-6) to roll and light a cigarette, but
with some training I could keep up with you, indeed.

Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

Bear Bottoms

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:54:17 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

A cigarette??

Roger Hunt

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In article <op.udi4d...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
<bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
house, etc etc
--
Roger Hunt

Roger Hunt

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Jun 29, 2008, 5:33:38 PM6/29/08
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In article <4867fb6a$0$2141$91ce...@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at>,

Daniel Mandic <daniel...@aon.at> writes
>Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>> In article <4867d29e$0$2246$91ce...@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>,
>> Daniel Mandic <daniel...@aon.at> writes
>> > Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me
>> which >> is the best to use?
>> >
>> > None.
>> >
>> > Windows XP for example (with plenty RAM, ~512MB and more) does not
>> > benefit. Maybe the startuptime decreases down to e.g. 30 sec
>> > instead of 33 secs. Wheeew, 3sec once a day... I can not even use
>> > that time to light up a cigarette. So...., useless!
>> >
>> I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but not
>> smoke it completely.
>
>Crikey! ....really?
>
>I need sometimes minutes to finish one (distracted by other doings :-)).
>hmmmm, having some sec's more (~5-6) to roll and light a cigarette, but
>with some training I could keep up with you, indeed.
>
It's time for the ACF poison yourself with cigarettes in the shortest
time competition!
Perhaps I exaggerate a tiny weeny bit, but when I'm at a red traffic
light in the car I can produce one in a very short time indeed.
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:30:50 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <op.udi4d...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
> <bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:54:17 -0500, Roger Hunt
>> <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> In article <4867d29e$0$2246$91ce...@newsreader01.highway.telekom.at>,
>>> Daniel Mandic <daniel...@aon.at> writes
>>>> Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers. Can someone tell me which
>>>>> is the best to use?
>>>>
>>>> None.
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP for example (with plenty RAM, ~512MB and more) does not
>>>> benefit. Maybe the startuptime decreases down to e.g. 30 sec instead
>>>> of
>>>> 33 secs. Wheeew, 3sec once a day... I can not even use that time to
>>>> light up a cigarette. So...., useless!
>>>>
>>> I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but not
>>> smoke it completely.
>>
>> A cigarette??
>>
> Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
> house, etc etc

I was thinking more of the proper noun?

Craig

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:09:55 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig
>>> <netbu...@removegmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger &
>>>> NTREGOPT.
>>> What you mean *we* paleface :)
>>
>> Why, "we" as in the royal sense of the word, "I." Of course. And we
>> are not amused. <g>
>>
>>> I like the glitz of Ultimate Defrag...
>>> http://www.disktrix.com/downloads/UltimateDefragFREEPublicDomainEditionSetup.exe
>>>
>>
>> Apparently, it needs XP or higher? Just tried running the install on
>> my win2ksp4 so I could read the license and the install crapped out.
>> Which brings me to ask, BB: Is this free for commercial as well as
>> personal use?
>>
>> tia,
>> -Craig
>
> Yes...it is a Public Domain version. I'll put up the PDF V1 help file
> which explains...in two minutes goto:
>
> http://bearware.info/UltimateDefragV1HelpFile.pdf
>

Thx. Fwiw, for those interested in a fairly clear definition of public
domain (in US courts) can be found at
<http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/copy-corner34.htm>.

-Craig

Daniel Mandic

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Jun 29, 2008, 6:03:38 PM6/29/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:

> > > > I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds,
> > > > but not smoke it completely.
> > >
> > > A cigarette??
> > >
> > Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
> > house, etc etc
>
> I was thinking more of the proper noun?

however, 3 sec is pretty fast...

Best regards,

Daniel Mandic

P.S.: My Choice: 'Manitou' (Golden Virgina; dry), stonemiles away from
dutch and other sour wet-tobaccos. Sweet, burny and fruitfully, indeed.

Roger Hunt

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Jun 29, 2008, 6:11:43 PM6/29/08
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In article <op.udi4w...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
What, er, with a capital letter at the front, like Cigarette?
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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wrote:

Whew...I'm taking the bar exam tomorrow. Interesting Craig...thanks.

Bear Bottoms

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:11:43 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>>>>> I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but not


>>>>> smoke it completely.
>>>>
>>>> A cigarette??
>>>>
>>> Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
>>> house, etc etc
>>
>> I was thinking more of the proper noun?
>>
> What, er, with a capital letter at the front, like Cigarette?

Joint, Grass, MaryJane, Reefer, Ganja, Blunt, Giggle Smoke, Hemp, Black
Bart, Cochornis, Ditch Weed, Doobie, GOM, Happy Stick, Whackyweed... you
know...the stuff we roll down heah!

Roger Hunt

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Jun 29, 2008, 6:52:03 PM6/29/08
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In article <op.udi7h...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
<bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
Oh! The butler does all that, so I don't know.
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 29, 2008, 6:53:14 PM6/29/08
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:52:03 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <op.udi7h...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
> <bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:11:43 -0500, Roger Hunt
>> <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> smoke it completely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cigarette??
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
>>>>> house, etc etc
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking more of the proper noun?
>>>>
>>> What, er, with a capital letter at the front, like Cigarette?
>>
>> Joint, Grass, MaryJane, Reefer, Ganja, Blunt, Giggle Smoke, Hemp, Black
>> Bart, Cochornis, Ditch Weed, Doobie, GOM, Happy Stick, Whackyweed... you
>> know...the stuff we roll down heah!
>>
> Oh! The butler does all that, so I don't know.

Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?

Roger Hunt

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Jun 29, 2008, 7:00:11 PM6/29/08
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In article <op.udi8i...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms

<bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:52:03 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> In article <op.udi7h...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
>> <bearbo...@gmail.com> writes
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:11:43 -0500, Roger Hunt
>>> <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I can just about roll and light a cigarette in three seconds, but
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> smoke it completely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A cigarette??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes - that is the one and only proper spelling. Like colour, valour,
>>>>>> house, etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking more of the proper noun?
>>>>>
>>>> What, er, with a capital letter at the front, like Cigarette?
>>>
>>> Joint, Grass, MaryJane, Reefer, Ganja, Blunt, Giggle Smoke, Hemp, Black
>>> Bart, Cochornis, Ditch Weed, Doobie, GOM, Happy Stick, Whackyweed... you
>>> know...the stuff we roll down heah!
>>>
>> Oh! The butler does all that, so I don't know.
>
>Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?
>
Well, yes - two butlers actually. And a maid for the Coke.
--
Roger Hunt

Daniel Mandic

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Jun 29, 2008, 7:00:27 PM6/29/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:

> Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?

Thai sticks=?

Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

;-)

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 29, 2008, 7:28:44 PM6/29/08
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:00:11 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>>>> Joint, Grass, MaryJane, Reefer, Ganja, Blunt, Giggle Smoke, Hemp,

>>>> Black
>>>> Bart, Cochornis, Ditch Weed, Doobie, GOM, Happy Stick, Whackyweed...
>>>> you
>>>> know...the stuff we roll down heah!
>>>>
>>> Oh! The butler does all that, so I don't know.
>>
>> Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?
>>
> Well, yes - two butlers actually. And a maid for the Coke.

diet?

Roger Hunt

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Jun 29, 2008, 7:49:51 PM6/29/08
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In article <op.udi95...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms
<bearbo...@gmail.com> writes

>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:00:11 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>>>> Joint, Grass, MaryJane, Reefer, Ganja, Blunt, Giggle Smoke, Hemp,
>>>>> Black
>>>>> Bart, Cochornis, Ditch Weed, Doobie, GOM, Happy Stick, Whackyweed...
>>>>> you
>>>>> know...the stuff we roll down heah!
>>>>>
>>>> Oh! The butler does all that, so I don't know.
>>>
>>> Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?
>>>
>> Well, yes - two butlers actually. And a maid for the Coke.
>
>diet?
>
Oh yes - it is cut with low-calorie ingredients.
--
Roger Hunt

Me Here

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Jun 29, 2008, 9:55:01 PM6/29/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger & NTREGOPT.
>
> What you mean *we* paleface :)
>
> I like the glitz of Ultimate Defrag...
> http://www.disktrix.com/downloads/UltimateDefragFREEPublicDomainEditionSetup.exe
>
>
> New age man!
>

+1

It's the best I've used so far simply because it allows me to
specifically defrag a computer based on need - ie. defrags my laptop
differently than my games computer.

VegasDon

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Jun 30, 2008, 12:31:19 AM6/30/08
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ROTFL!! :)
Don in Vegas..

Will Cornish of Cardigan, UK
filthy-mcnasty at bigfoot dot com

No nastier than you; No filthier than usual

On May 28, 2:48 pm, "filthy-mcnasty" <filthy-mcna...@here.now> wrote:
> Using at least one appendage, the entity known in this space-time
> continuum as Franklin <neve...@d.sight.of.it> revealed innews:Xns9AACDAF6...@127.0.0.1:


>
> > On Wed 28 May 2008 19:10:09, Mark Ciochetto wrote:
>
> >> I have seen a lot of freeware defraggers.  Can someone tell me
> >> which is the best to use?
>

> > There aren't many, are there?
>
> You Could try JKDefrag:http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/
>
> --
> Will Cornish of Cardigan, UK
> filthy-mcnasty at bigfoot dot com
>
> No nastier than you; No filthier than usual

Ari

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Jun 30, 2008, 4:12:52 AM6/30/08
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:13:48 -0500, Bear Bottoms wrote:

> Whew...I'm taking the bar exam tomorrow. Interesting Craig...thanks.

Long way from there to hear, eh Bottoms?
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Ari

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Jun 30, 2008, 4:14:36 AM6/30/08
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:00:11 +0100, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?
>>
> Well, yes - two butlers actually. And a maid for the Coke.

Please, don't say "coke" in front of William.
--
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html

Roger Hunt

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Jun 30, 2008, 4:27:12 AM6/30/08
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In article <g4a4hq$rcq$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ari
<arisilv...@yahoo.com> writes

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:00:11 +0100, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>Your Butler rolls all of your giggle sticks?
>>>
>> Well, yes - two butlers actually. And a maid for the Coke.
>
>Please, don't say "coke" in front of William.

(*snif*, wipe snurf phew) .... whyever not?

Is there anyone I shouldn't say "maid" in front of?
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Roger Hunt

LouB

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Jun 30, 2008, 5:12:14 AM6/30/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger & NTREGOPT.
>
> What you mean *we* paleface :)
>
> I like the glitz of Ultimate Defrag...
> http://www.disktrix.com/downloads/UltimateDefragFREEPublicDomainEditionSetup.exe
>
>
> New age man!
>

The main sit ehas a ton of info about the program and I do not see any
mention of a free version. Crippleware?? Payware??? Comments please. TIA

Lou

LouB

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Jun 30, 2008, 5:16:09 AM6/30/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:09:55 -0500, Craig <netbu...@removegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:17 -0500, Craig
>>> <netbu...@removegmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To the OP: For defragging, we're using a combo of JKDefragger &
>>>> NTREGOPT.
>>> What you mean *we* paleface :)
>>
>> Why, "we" as in the royal sense of the word, "I." Of course. And we
>> are not amused. <g>
>>
>>> I like the glitz of Ultimate Defrag...
>>> http://www.disktrix.com/downloads/UltimateDefragFREEPublicDomainEditionSetup.exe
>>>
>>
>> Apparently, it needs XP or higher? Just tried running the install on
>> my win2ksp4 so I could read the license and the install crapped out.
>> Which brings me to ask, BB: Is this free for commercial as well as
>> personal use?
>>
>> tia,
>> -Craig
>
> Yes...it is a Public Domain version. I'll put up the PDF V1 help file
> which explains...in two minutes goto:
>
> http://bearware.info/UltimateDefragV1HelpFile.pdf
>
How does the newer version differ?

Lou

Thomas Lauer

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Jun 30, 2008, 5:20:14 AM6/30/08
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Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not to start an argument but, NTFS does
> fragment and continuously. Defragmenting does help in overall
> long-terms system stability and performance: Especially true for a
> server but also for a workstation.

Regularly defragging NTFS drives has a secondary benefit beyond the
performance question: a defragged file system will significantly help
with disaster recovery. (Then again, we do backups, don't we?)

Having said that, it never ceases to amaze me how much time people can
waste trying to identify "the best" defragging app.

--
cheers thomasl

web: http://thomaslauer.com/start

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 30, 2008, 7:43:32 AM6/30/08
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Read the PDF link I've posted on my site about the free public domain
version:
http://bearware.info/UltimateDefragV1HelpFile.pdf

BTW, I emailed them and asked if they were going to list the free version
on their site. They said they intended to do so soon. I'm not sure what
soon means, as that was a few weeks ago.

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 30, 2008, 7:44:59 AM6/30/08
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If you mean the free versus the paid version, I don't know...I didn't get
the paid version to see.

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 30, 2008, 7:46:56 AM6/30/08
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:20:14 -0500, Thomas Lauer <thomas...@virgin.net>
wrote:

> Having said that, it never ceases to amaze me how much time people can
> waste trying to identify "the best" defragging app.
>

What else are we going to do? Save the world? I actually find it fun and a
challenge to continuosly try to find and list the better programs in such
a dynamic environment.

LouB

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Jun 30, 2008, 9:25:31 AM6/30/08
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So I let the quick scan run to the end. It was quick and found nothing.
So I started the complete scan amd went back to bed.
So it found something.
So it STOPPED and asked me if I wanted to cure the bad thing (which
looked like something Spybot had quarantined. I said yes AND looked for
a setting so it would not stop.
So I can not find any way to tell it to fix and go or list and go.
So that is not good.

Lou

Roger Hunt

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Jun 30, 2008, 11:23:31 AM6/30/08
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In article <ms8h64p6rg3bp3nh1...@thomaslauer.com>, Thomas
Lauer <thomas...@virgin.net> writes

>Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not to start an argument but, NTFS does
>> fragment and continuously. Defragmenting does help in overall
>> long-terms system stability and performance: Especially true for a
>> server but also for a workstation.
>
>Regularly defragging NTFS drives has a secondary benefit beyond the
>performance question: a defragged file system will significantly help
>with disaster recovery. (Then again, we do backups, don't we?)
>
I'll second that - it saved my bacon once, when I had foolishly deleted
a large number of music files I thought I had put to CD but hadn't.
I think it was Drive Rescue I used then, and due to the fact that the
drive had very recently been defragged and little written to, I got the
whole lot back.

>Having said that, it never ceases to amaze me how much time people can
>waste trying to identify "the best" defragging app.
>

I'm happy enough with O&O Defrag 2000 lite.
--
Roger Hunt

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 30, 2008, 1:27:23 PM6/30/08
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:25:31 -0500, LouB <Lo...@invalid.com> wrote:

> So I let the quick scan run to the end. It was quick and found nothing.
> So I started the complete scan amd went back to bed.
> So it found something.
> So it STOPPED and asked me if I wanted to cure the bad thing (which
> looked like something Spybot had quarantined. I said yes AND looked for
> a setting so it would not stop.
> So I can not find any way to tell it to fix and go or list and go.
> So that is not good.
>
> Lou

Sounds like you are speaking of Cure It! That is pretty much my experience
with it also. Problem is, after deep online scans from Kaspersky and
others, Dr. Web finds stuff they didn't. It finds stuff all of the
scanners miss. After a run of Dr.Web, no other scanner found a thing.

My wife's office laptop got infected and slowed her system to a crawl. I
told her to let her IT team clean it. When she brought it back, it was
running better...though I did a scan with Cure It! and it found four more
trojans after her IT team (State run) said it was clean.

If you find something that is as thorough and more efficient in the auto
department...let me/us know.

LouB

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Jun 30, 2008, 1:43:23 PM6/30/08
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Well I ran Cure It and now my Lexmark E238 laser will not print. (Parallel)
The Canon still works fine. (USB)

Now what do I do after rebooting?

Lou

Bear Bottoms

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Jun 30, 2008, 2:15:56 PM6/30/08
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Reinstall your drivers and don't remove that driver next time :)
http://search.lexmark.com/printer/US/en/28S0100

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Ari

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:12 +0100, Roger Hunt wrote:

>>Please, don't say "coke" in front of William.
>
> (*snif*, wipe snurf phew) .... whyever not?

OTOH, if we end every post to Barely BeerButt with

"How much cocaine money did you make in the 80s" he might never answer
anyone!
--
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Roger Hunt

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In article <g4cfhf$ro1$1...@news.albasani.net>, Ari
<arisilv...@yahoo.com> writes

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:27:12 +0100, Roger Hunt wrote:
>
>>>Please, don't say "coke" in front of William.
>>
>> (*snif*, wipe snurf phew) .... whyever not?
>
>OTOH, if we end every post to Barely BeerButt with
>
>"How much cocaine money did you make in the 80s" he might never answer
>anyone!

That is a cunning plan ...
I wonder what thinks the rest of the punning clan.
--
Roger Hunt

LouB

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Jul 1, 2008, 4:21:38 AM7/1/08
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No Joy <sigh>

Ran whole troubleshooter, stil no joy.

I think it was that damn spyware scanner.

Lou

Bear Bottoms

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Jul 1, 2008, 7:48:51 AM7/1/08
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:21:38 -0500, LouB <Lo...@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> Lou
>> Reinstall your drivers and don't remove that driver next time :)
>> http://search.lexmark.com/printer/US/en/28S0100
>>
>
> No Joy <sigh>
>
> Ran whole troubleshooter, stil no joy.
>
> I think it was that damn spyware scanner.
>
> Lou

I doubt it. You have hardware and the driver installation. Very simple. At
least one of the two are broken. Make sure it's plugged in...re-install
your software.

LouB

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Jul 1, 2008, 9:54:40 AM7/1/08
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:21:38 -0500, LouB <Lo...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Lou
>>> Reinstall your drivers and don't remove that driver next time :)
>>> http://search.lexmark.com/printer/US/en/28S0100
>>>
>>
>> No Joy <sigh>
>>
>> Ran whole troubleshooter, stil no joy.
>>
>> I think it was that damn spyware scanner.
>>
>> Lou
>
> I doubt it. You have hardware and the driver installation. Very simple.
> At least one of the two are broken. Make sure it's plugged
> in...re-install your software.
>
When(?) I fins the original stuff I will uninstall the whole printer and
start over again.

Lou

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Franklin

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LouB

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Will check it out, thanks

Lyn

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