BearWare Website Update
Bear Bottoms
I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
Any comments are welcome.
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
hummingbird
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:03:06 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
>I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
>the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
>hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
>redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
>
>Any comments are welcome.
Yeah, I always had mixed feelings about the scroll bars.
I await your new layout...
--
most people don't like to hear the truth,
so they elect politicians to hide it from them.
John Corliss
> For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my
> website...again. I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly.
> I was enamored by the three scroll columns for a while, but as time
> passed...I ended up hating the appearance and the functionality. After a
> view days, I will redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
>
> Any comments are welcome.
Oh man... I *liked* the three column setup. Thought it was a very nice
way to use space efficiently. Oh well, your choice.
--
John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google
Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple,
demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez
for me, please.
Non scrivetemi
> For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
> I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
> redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
>
> Any comments are welcome.
OK, why do you advertise "best opensource" (misspelled by the way)
in your title tag, when you childishly adhere to your closed source
crypto idiocy?
hjmler
Nice ... clean and right at you, loads fast too...
hummingbird
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:44:02 +0100 'hummingbird'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:03:06 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
>wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
>>I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
>>the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
>>hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
>>redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
>>
>>Any comments are welcome.
>
>Yeah, I always had mixed feelings about the scroll bars.
>I await your new layout...
Very nice. I like it BB.
Is there any way to highlight the links on the program pages,
so they are more clearly URL links. Perhaps a darker shade?
Peter in New Zealand
clean and logical presentation. If I am looking for a piece of software your
site is usually where I start my search each time. It's not often I need to
go further. So, well done, and a really nice service to the community.
--
Peter in New Zealand. (email address is fake)
"hjmler" <hjmlerRE...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:zyf7k.226$1l6...@newsfe02.lga...
Me Here
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my
> website...again. I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly.
> I was enamored by the three scroll columns for a while, but as time
> passed...I ended up hating the appearance and the functionality. After a
> view days, I will redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
Looks good BB
Franklin
> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the
> nice clean and logical presentation. If I am looking for a piece
> of software your site is usually where I start my search each
> time. It's not often I need to go further. So, well done, and a
> really nice service to the community.
>
Swoon.
Nomen Nescio
> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
> clean and logical presentation.
What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
"enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
lacking to say the least.
Peter in New Zealand
about HTML coding. Reality is that his web site works fine for me, and I
personally couldn't care less how it's coded. If it works right and
looks good, who cares? At least he's made the effort, and that's more
than many have, including me (grin).
--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
Leon Howes
news:op.uc3yz...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net...
Much better layout in my opinion. Nice and easy to navigate too.
Can I ask what you use to use to put your website together... WYSIWYG or
hand code?
Dave U. Random
Peter in New Zealand <peterb...@extra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> >
> >> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
> >> clean and logical presentation.
> >
> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
> >
> > In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
> >
> > If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
> > using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
> > lacking to say the least.
> >
> Oh for goodness sake! You are probably right - I don't know anything
> about HTML coding. Reality is that his web site works fine for me, and I
> personally couldn't care less how it's coded. If it works right and
> looks good, who cares? At least he's made the effort, and that's more
> than many have, including me (grin).
Yep. I agree. I haven't got much time for the bottom guy, but
the site is straight forward, simple and works. I would've
thought that was the objective, and it succeeded.
Looks like this group has inherited an "APAS Troll Wannabe".
Maybe it's the Booshaloon.
Caesar Romano
Re: BearWare Website Update:
Ditto on that.
an...@munge.com
<peterb...@extra.co.nz> wrote:
>Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
>clean and logical presentation. If I am looking for a piece of software your
>site is usually where I start my search each time. It's not often I need to
>go further. So, well done, and a really nice service to the community.
I'll second that! Usually I'm in a hurry to get what I want, and I
don't want to browse through dozens of choices--just the cream of the
crop.
Well done, Bear.Thanx for a nice resource.
Anne/OH
Nomad
news:7b82d2c894dab402...@dizum.com...
> Peter in New Zealand wrote:
>
>> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
>> clean and logical presentation.
>
> What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
>
> In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
> written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
WHO REALLY CARES ?
> If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
> using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
> lacking to say the least.
What a moron! To the "user", the site looks good, plain and simple and who
cares if it's hand or software coded. The average surfer doesn't care about
the "serious error...", just that it looks good, loads relatively fast and
has working links. I for one think the critic above has a "serious error"
in his common sense and his basic surfer thought process is "a little
lacking to say the least."
--
Nomad
Motzarella
hummi...@127.0.0.1 says...
>
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:44:02 +0100 'hummingbird'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
> >
> >On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:03:06 -0500 'Bear Bottoms'
> >wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
> >
> >>For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
> >>I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> >>the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> >>hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
> >>redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
> >>
> >>Any comments are welcome.
> >
> >Yeah, I always had mixed feelings about the scroll bars.
> >I await your new layout...
>
> Very nice. I like it BB.
> Is there any way to highlight the links on the program pages,
> so they are more clearly URL links. Perhaps a darker shade?
>
CSS file. What color do you want? :)
Ron May
wrote:
> To the "user", the site looks good, plain and simple and who
> cares if it's hand or software coded. The average surfer doesn't care about
> the "serious error...", just that it looks good, loads relatively fast and
> has working links. I for one think the critic above has a "serious error"
> in his common sense and his basic surfer thought process is "a little
> lacking to say the least."
I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
--
Ron M.
(I filter Googlespam)
alt.comp.freeware information pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php
Motzarella
jcor...@fake.invalid says...
> Bear Bottoms wrote:
> > For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my
> > website...again. I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly.
> > I was enamored by the three scroll columns for a while, but as time
> > passed...I ended up hating the appearance and the functionality. After a
> > view days, I will redirect http://bearware.info/bearware.html
> >
> > Any comments are welcome.
>
> Oh man... I *liked* the three column setup. Thought it was a very nice
> way to use space efficiently. Oh well, your choice.
>
>
place. That page was getting rather big however, and it was ... ugly ...
and unwieldy.
What drove me to the simple answer was I wanted one page with a window
that would call up the category and display the information. This is the
end effect of what I did. Continuity is there too...
Motzarella
nob...@dizum.com says...
pages in PSPad entirely. Happy was the day I could move away from
WYSIWYG editors. Kinda like the stages I went through with typing...from
typing letters, to typing words, to typing thoughts is a big spread.
I get by sweetheart :)
Motzarella
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> >
> >> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
> >> clean and logical presentation.
> >
> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
> >
> > In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
> >
> > If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
> > using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
> > lacking to say the least.
> >
> Oh for goodness sake! You are probably right - I don't know anything
> about HTML coding. Reality is that his web site works fine for me, and I
> personally couldn't care less how it's coded. If it works right and
> looks good, who cares? At least he's made the effort, and that's more
> than many have, including me (grin).
>
The code is very clean and well organized...it also validates strict at
W3C. Don't let him try to fool you :)
gavin
> I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> hating the appearance and the functionality.
I did tell you, BB! :-) I'm sure you'll come up with an excellent solution.
gavin
"Peter in New Zealand" <peterb...@extra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1214102474.573374@ftpsrv1...
> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
> clean and logical presentation. If I am looking for a piece of software
> your
> site is usually where I start my search each time. It's not often I need
> to
> go further. So, well done, and a really nice service to the community.
+1. Whatever you may think of BB, his website is often a pretty useful
resource.
gavin
>
>> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
>> clean and logical presentation.
>
> What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
>
> In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML
I always check out the validity of code when I visit websites and in my
experience one "serious error" isn't well above average - although one error
too many.
Nomen Nescio
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:7b82d2c894dab402...@dizum.com...
> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> >
> >> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the nice
> >> clean and logical presentation.
> >
> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
> >
> > In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
>
> WHO REALLY CARES ?
Anyone with their head extricated from their posterior.
>
> > If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
> > using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
> > lacking to say the least.
>
>
> What a moron! To the "user", the site looks good, plain and simple and who
> cares if it's hand or software coded. The average surfer doesn't care about
> the "serious error...", just that it looks good, loads relatively fast and
> has working links. I for one think the critic above has a "serious error"
> in his common sense and his basic surfer thought process is "a little
> lacking to say the least."
None of that is any surprise at all, considering the fact that
you're a bunch of buffoons relying on advice given by a nitwit
whose sum total authority for giving it boils down to "looks reel
dood tuh mee".
And they say Windows hasn't severely lowered the IQ of the average
computer user... <laugh!>
hummingbird
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:03:02 -0500 'Motzarella'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
How about a darker shade of pale?
gavin
> Nomad wrote:
>
>> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
>> news:7b82d2c894dab402...@dizum.com...
>> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the
>> >> nice
>> >> clean and logical presentation.
>> >
>> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
>> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
>> >
>> > In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
>> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
>> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
>>
>> WHO REALLY CARES ?
>
> Anyone with their head extricated from their posterior.
Well said. It's a shame that the most ignorant people are the ones most
likely to shoot their mouths off.
Dan Goodman
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:9a5031d0d6b7a55a...@dizum.com...
> > Nomad wrote:
> >
> >>"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> > > news:7b82d2c894dab402...@dizum.com...
> >>> Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> > > >
> >>>> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on
> the >> nice >>>> clean and logical presentation.
> > > >
> >>> What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they
> become >>> "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
> > > >
> >>> In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> >>> and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and
> it's >>> written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
> > >
> > > WHO REALLY CARES ?
> >
> > Anyone with their head extricated from their posterior.
>
> Well said. It's a shame that the most ignorant people are the ones
> most likely to shoot their mouths off.
Let me get this straight: It's your opinion that 1) how HTML is coded
is more important than how it looks/works. 2) Anyone who doesn't know
and care about HTML coding is beneath your notice.
Oddly enough, you forgot to mention that Hitler and the other Nazi
leaders were notoriously ignorant about HTML.
--
Dan Goodman
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Dan Goodman
> In article <7b82d2c894dab402...@dizum.com>,
> nob...@dizum.com says...
> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
> >
> > > Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on
> > > the nice clean and logical presentation.
> >
> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
Because they're the same kind of fools who don't realize that military
tradition is _much_ more important than winning battles.
They're under the delusion that web pages are designed for people to
look at and use.
> > In the mean time there's at least one serious error in his HTML,
> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
> >
> > If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
> > using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
> > lacking to say the least.
> >
> >
> It validates strict...I'm not an HTML genius, but I do now hand code
> my pages in PSPad entirely. Happy was the day I could move away from
> WYSIWYG editors. Kinda like the stages I went through with
> typing...from typing letters, to typing words, to typing thoughts is
> a big spread.
>
> I get by sweetheart :)
--
Krazee Brenda
> How about a darker shade of pale?
I find the term "pale" pejorative. I prefer "Whitey The Negro Killer"
--
See Brenda's UniWorldWare
http://tinyurl.com/nm2yt
Ari
> Yes, all of the style formatting on all of the pages is driven by one
> CSS file. What color do you want? :)
>
> --
> Bear Bottoms
> Freeware website http://bearware.info
Born On the Bottoms, why are you using a piss-poor cheese as a handle?
--
An Explanation Of The Need To Be "Anonymous"
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
Ari
> I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
>
> As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
> I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
> to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
> selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
> continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
Issues, you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
Ari
> Let me get this straight: It's your opinion that 1) how HTML is coded
> is more important than how it looks/works. 2) Anyone who doesn't know
> and care about HTML coding is beneath your notice.
>
> Oddly enough, you forgot to mention that Hitler and the other Nazi
> leaders were notoriously ignorant about HTML.
I really don't think they needed that knowledge. IMVHO, of course.
Ari
> It validates strict...I'm not an HTML genius, but I do now hand code my
> pages in PSPad entirely. Happy was the day I could move away from
> WYSIWYG editors. Kinda like the stages I went through with typing...from
> typing letters, to typing words, to typing thoughts is a big spread.
To typing complete legions of utter bearshit. Yeah, now /that's/
accomplishment. lol
hummingbird
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:54:49 -0400 'Krazee Brenda'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:15:32 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>
>> How about a darker shade of pale?
>
>I find the term "pale" pejorative. I prefer "Whitey The Negro Killer"
I thought Whitey was one of Ari's nicks?
Ron May
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:06:56 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>
> > I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
> >
> > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
> >
> > As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
> > I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
> > to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
> > selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
> > continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
>
> Issues, you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
Let's just say that, unlike Pricelessware, some of the offerings
aren't exactly "The best of the best in Freeware."
Bearware reminds me of the Forrest Gump line about a box of
chocolates: You never know what you're gonna get!
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:57:02 -0400, Ari <arisilv...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:06:56 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>>
>>> I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
>>>
>>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
>>>
>>> As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
>>> I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
>>> to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
>>> selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
>>> continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
>> Issues, you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
>
> Let's just say that, unlike Pricelessware, some of the offerings
> aren't exactly "The best of the best in Freeware."
>
Pricelessware can't make that claim either - there's some crap in there too.
Nomen Nescio
<snip>
Hey coward, I see you switched over to Albasani.net now. Getting a
little too warm for comfort at Individual.net?
How come a big time peckerhead like you can't afford a real Usenet
account?
Leon Howes
news:9e1aa6f7c2c89169...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net...
> In article <1214119803.321683@ftpsrv1>
> Peter in New Zealand <peterb...@extra.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> > Peter in New Zealand wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just been looking at your new site layout. I compliment you on the
>> >> nice
>> >> clean and logical presentation.
>> >
>> > What is is about people that makes them so addle minded they become
>> > "enamored" by any old web page they thinks looks cool?
>> >
>> > and it calls out a Doctype of "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" and it's
>> > written in 4.01 "Strict" to begin with
>> >
>> > If the rube is hand coding he's an incompetent buffoon, and if he's
>> > using "authoring" software his choices, as always, are a little
>> > lacking to say the least.
>> >
>> about HTML coding. Reality is that his web site works fine for me, and I
>> personally couldn't care less how it's coded. If it works right and
>> looks good, who cares? At least he's made the effort, and that's more
>> than many have, including me (grin).
>
>
> the site is straight forward, simple and works. I would've
> thought that was the objective, and it succeeded.
OK. I don't want you to have much time for me my friend. I was asking BB a
genuine question (or at least I thought it was) so sorry if I have offended
you or anyone else on this thread!
The reason I ask is that I'm considering putting my own website together and
I liked the simplicity/quick loading of BB site. I have no real knowledge of
HTML and wondered what web editor (if any) he used to construct his site. He
may have been able to help me with a recommendation?
>
> Looks like this group has inherited an "APAS Troll Wannabe".
> Maybe it's the Booshaloon.
Why Tea
> For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
> I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
>
> Any comments are welcome.
I think it's a nice improvement. Like other have said. It's simple
and clean.
Now here are some comments (not meant to be picky):
1) The two column home page seems to be a bit too narrow.
Perhaps the right column can be made a little wider to
better utilize the screen estate.
2) When I saw the "Search Page", I really thought it's a
real search. The common practice is to call it something
like a "Single page listing".
- the search page is rather long, I think it might be
better for navigation if each sub-heading provides
a button to return to the top.
- I'm never a big fan of having a vertical scroll bar in
it's own partition. Another annoyance is, it doesn't
allow you to print out the entire page or list.
3) Just out of curiosity, the search page is simply a
combination of everything from each categories,
plus some description. How do you maintain and
synchronize the pages? Do you have a tool to do
it automatically? Or, do you have to update the
search page manually each time you update a
category?
Peter in New Zealand
accept the apology of a grumpy old man. I have gained so much benefit
from this group over the years I would hate to cause any offence. Let's
move on.
--
Peter in New Zealand. (Email address is fake)
Collector of old cameras, tropical fish fancier, good coffee nutter, and
compulsive computer fiddler.
Ron May
If you mean the Pricelessware list, you'll need to back that up with
examples. If you mean the thousands of programs that are in the
larger pricelesswarehome.org program index simply because they've been
"mentioned" in ACF at one time or another, that's a different story,
but unlike Bearware, if something is crap, it's probably marked as
what it is (nagware, crippleware, adware, etc.)
Again, I stand behind what I said above about the Bearware site
missing the mark WRT the vetting of the freeware selections. When it
comes to content, what Bearware has to offer (a set of links to author
websites) is not much more useful than a random Google search.
Ari
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:54:49 -0400 'Krazee Brenda'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:15:32 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> How about a darker shade of pale?
>>
>>I find the term "pale" pejorative. I prefer "Whitey The Negro Killer"
>
> I thought Whitey was one of Ari's nicks?
You see, Feathers, you don't have a clue.
--
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html
Ari
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
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Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:15:57 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:57:02 -0400, Ari <arisilv...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:06:56 -0500, Ron May wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
>>>>> I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
>>>>> to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
>>>>> selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
>>>>> continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
>>>> Issues, you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
>>> Let's just say that, unlike Pricelessware, some of the offerings
>>> aren't exactly "The best of the best in Freeware."
>>>
>> Pricelessware can't make that claim either - there's some crap in there too.
>>
>
> If you mean the Pricelessware list,
it'd be pointless. Again, I stand by what I said previously - there is
what I would consider crap programs listed and I definitely wouldn't
consider everything on that list as "The best of the best in Freeware."
Don't get me wrong, there are some fantastic programs listed,
however, most of the programs listed on there have been voted for by
only a handful of people. Software, like most things in life, is very
subjective. What may be 'good' for a handful of people certainly
doesn't translate into it'll be good for everyone.
Oh and I don't believe all the programs on BB's site are "the best"
either. They may be the best for him, but I have separate wants and
needs in regards to program functionality.
Motzarella
m-o-v-e]@googlemail.com says...
> > I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> > the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> > hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
> >
> > Any comments are welcome.
> >> Much better layout in my opinion. Nice and easy to navigate too.
>
> Can I ask what you use to use to put your website together... WYSIWYG or
> hand code?
>
>
I hand code it in PSPad. I no longer use WYSIWYG because all of the ones
I've used trash up the code. I'm competent in CSS now and that makes a
big difference in being able to produce good clean HTML without the
styling messes. My pages finally always validate strict.
Motzarella
@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, ytl...@gmail.com says...
> On Jun 21, 7:03 pm, "Bear Bottoms" <bearbotto...@cox.net> wrote:
> > For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my website...again.
> > I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly. I was enamored by
> > the three scroll columns for a while, but as time passed...I ended up
> > hating the appearance and the functionality. After a view days, I will
> > redirecthttp://bearware.info/bearware.html
> >
> > Any comments are welcome.
>
> I think it's a nice improvement. Like other have said. It's simple
> and clean.
>
> Now here are some comments (not meant to be picky):
> 1) The two column home page seems to be a bit too narrow.
> Perhaps the right column can be made a little wider to
> better utilize the screen estate.
I can make it wider, but it will still trade real estate from outside to
inside. I do not need much real estate for the listings.
> 2) When I saw the "Search Page", I really thought it's a
> real search. The common practice is to call it something
> like a "Single page listing".
> - the search page is rather long, I think it might be
> better for navigation if each sub-heading provides
> a button to return to the top.
> - I'm never a big fan of having a vertical scroll bar in
> it's own partition. Another annoyance is, it doesn't
> allow you to print out the entire page or list.
> 3) Just out of curiosity, the search page is simply a
> combination of everything from each categories,
> plus some description. How do you maintain and
> synchronize the pages? Do you have a tool to do
> it automatically? Or, do you have to update the
> search page manually each time you update a
> category?
>
>
I'm going to do away with the search page. I will provide a link to an
Open Office spreadsheet which I am preparing. This will allow a download
of all categories, descriptions and links. I may provide in in a couple
of formats...still trying to decide on exactly what I'm going to do.
Motzarella
thes...@cosmicdancer.freeserve.co.uk says...
errors.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbearware.info&charset=%
28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
or
http://validator.w3.org/ and enter the website.
Motzarella
may...@hotmail.com says...
>
> I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
>
> As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
> I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
> to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
> selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
> continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
and those programs are? LOL.
Motzarella
may...@hotmail.com says...
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:57:02 -0400, Ari <arisilv...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:06:56 -0500, Ron May wrote:
> >
> > > I think a fair comparison is with other ACF member sites here:
> > >
> > > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
> > >
> > > As far as "looks good, loads relatively fast and has working links"
> > > I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the pack. When it comes
> > > to the actual content, particularly WRT the vetting of the freeware
> > > selections, I'd say that's where it misses the mark. As many have
> > > continually pointed out here, some of the Bear's faves have "issues."
> >
> > Issues, you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
>
> Let's just say that, unlike Pricelessware, some of the offerings
> aren't exactly "The best of the best in Freeware."
>
> Bearware reminds me of the Forrest Gump line about a box of
> chocolates: You never know what you're gonna get!
>
>
Motzarella
@googlemail.com says...
can start with Kompozer and put a page together quite easily. CSS is
really simple, so use a simple styling sheet to set your font, size and
colors for starters. Also put your HTML file and CSS file into PSPad and
find the sections of code and create empty lines between them so you can
break them into componants to understand the code...after a while it
becomes clear.
Ron May
> > If you mean the Pricelessware list,
> Yes I did and no, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you -
> it'd be pointless.
It's a pissing contest *YOU* chose to start when you made a claim you
can't back up. For that reason, I agree it would be pointless for you
to continue. (But you will continue, and I will continue to point out
you were just running your mouth without thinking first as you've done
before, so let the games begin.) <g>
Leon Howes
news:1214219393.318447@ftpsrv1...
No problem. Apology accepted. I'm sure you're not normally a grumpy old man
though :o)
Leon Howes
news:MPG.22c9ec527...@news.motzarella.org...
Excellent. Thanks for the tips/advice... much appreciated.
Anonymous Remailer
About 1/4 of the junk you recommend. Mostly because you're an
incompetent Wintard judging things by how pretty they are.
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Franklin wrote:
> On Mon 23 Jun 2008 02:04:44, hummingbird wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:54:49 -0400 'Krazee Brenda'
> > wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
> >>On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:15:32 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
> >>
> >>> How about a darker shade of pale?
> >>
> >>I find the term "pale" pejorative. I prefer "Whitey The Negro Killer"
> >
> > I thought Whitey was one of Ari's nicks?
> >
>
> Hummingbird, are you trying to get elected as the group's Netkop?
Why not? You've locked down Village Idiot and he needs some sort of
official title.
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:06:44 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>>> If you mean the Pricelessware list,
>> Yes I did and no, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you -
>> it'd be pointless.
>
> It's a pissing contest *YOU* chose to start when you made a claim you
> can't back up. For that reason, I agree it would be pointless for you
> to continue. (But you will continue, and I will continue to point out
> you were just running your mouth without thinking first as you've done
> before, so let the games begin.) <g>
>
No, you're the one who's keeping it going because your too fucking
stupid to know when to shut up. Obviously you have a hard time
understanding English, fool. Go back and *READ* what I posted - I don't
need to *back* anything up. You may want to visit an online dictionary
and look up the word SUBJECTIVE, you twit. Just because *YOU* think
something is good, doesn't necessarily make it so. Oh and you don't
hear me demanding you back up *YOUR* claim that everything listed on the
Pricelessware List is "the best freeware", do you. Of course not,
because I understand some things are subjective.
Oh and next time, don't make a song and dance about putting someone in
your killfile and then not having the backbone to follow through with
it, you downie.
*PUT ME IN THERE SO I DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO YOUR RETARDED CLAPTRAP
THAT SEEMS TO PERVADE THIS NEWSGROUP WHENEVER SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH
SOMETHING ABOUT THE PRICELESSWARE LIST.*
Bear Bottoms
Bear Bottoms
>> Leon, look at the tools in the web development category on my site. You
>> can start with Kompozer and put a page together quite easily. CSS is
>> really simple, so use a simple styling sheet to set your font, size and
>> colors for starters. Also put your HTML file and CSS file into PSPad and
>> find the sections of code and create empty lines between them so you can
>> break them into componants to understand the code...after a while it
>> becomes clear.
>
>
> Excellent. Thanks for the tips/advice... much appreciated.
Also, view the source code of pages you visit that you like. Copy it and
put the code in Kompozer and watch what happens. Take snippits of code you
like and use the techniques above. Also in the <head> </head> part of the
code, you will see code something like <link href="default.css"
rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
default.css is the name of the seperate css file you can create to link to
your styling. Some simple CSS styling looks like:
/* Styling to make design how your links look and react to mouse over and
clicks: */
/* putting this tag around text in a CSS file is non-functional
descriptive text. */
a:link {color: rgb(50,152,101);
background-color: transparent;
font-weight: bold;
font-style: normal;
text-decoration: none}
a:visited {color: rgb(67,191,118);
background-color: transparent;
font-weight: normal;
font-style: normal;
text-decoration: none}
a:hover, a:active {color: rgb(47,107,63);
background-color: transparent;
font-weight: bold;
font-style: italic;
text-decoration: none}
a img {border: none;}
/* The following is how to style for example a div container named text1 */
.text1 {position: absolute;
top: 495px;
left: 238px;
height: 422px;
width: 390px;
z-index: 3;
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12pt;
font-weight: bold;
color: rgb(52,152,101);
line-height: 125%;
background-color: transparent;
overflow: hidden}
This is what a CSS file looks like, save it (like default.css) and put it
in the same directory as your HTML file...or you have to further define
the path to it in the HTML <head> code.
A simple HTML file consists of tags like:
<html>
<head>
(code between head tags)
</head>
<body>
(code between body tags)
</body>
</html>
All code is contained between <> tags, and displayed text is not.
Also Google for some free templates for page design, and CSS files for it
and try those. It is pretty easy then to get started on the right path.
Bear Bottoms
<mixm...@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de> wrote:
>> ...and those programs are?
>
> About 1/4 of the junk you recommend. Mostly because you're an
> incompetent Wintard judging things by how pretty they are.
>
I would say 90% of the programs I post about here never make it to my
site. I'm mostly interested in comments about them...or what alternative
suggestions turn up :)
Bear Bottoms
I've got buffoon ;) What is yours?
Ron May
Me Here
Ha, thanks for proving me right - you do have a hard time understanding
English. Read my last paragraph again and try to follow it.
Your sig shouldn't be *Ron M.*, it should be *M O Ron.*
Ron May
Oooohhh! Did *I* hit a nerve. I *KNEW* this was going to be as much
fun as the last time I had you twisting yourself into a human pretzel
trying not to contradict yourself after running your mouth before you
engaged your brain.
(By the way, clueless, you've got it ass backwards about kill files.
When I put you back in my kill file, it's because I don't care to read
what you have to say. If you object to reading what *I* post, you put
*ME* in *YOUR* kill file so you don't have an uncontrollable urge to
make a fool of yourself by responding.)
Now, back to the fun and games.
First off, my comments about the Bearware site were a realistic
assessment. Content aside, the look, feel and function is on a par
with the majority of member sites listed in the ACF pages on the
Pricelesswarehome site. On content, however, the problem is that it's
no more than a set of links to author sites, and, as is obvious to the
most casual ACF reader, brother Bear just throws stuff out there
without doing much checking of the quality of the software (or
vendors) on the other end of those links. I don't think you can
dispute that, but you may be gullible enough to try. We'll see.
Next, it was Ari who wrote:
>> you mean like they are BearCrapWare?
To which I replied:
> Let's just say that, unlike Pricelessware, some of the offerings
> aren't exactly "The best of the best in Freeware."
It was *YOUR* sorry ass who decided to jump in at that point with the
following statement:
>> Pricelessware can't make that claim either - there's some crap in there too.
To which I replied:
> If you mean the Pricelessware list, you'll need to back that up with
> examples.
A reasonable request, ISTM, but instead you replied with:
> Yes I did and no, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you -
> it'd be pointless.
You obviously decided, for whatever reason, you *wanted* to pick a
fight with me over something that *ARI* wrote, but no matter. You
have the fight you deliberately went looking for.
Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
Pricelessware list are "crap"? Let's see if (1) you make more of a
fool of youeself by answering or (2) expose yourself as a bullshitter
who's mouth writes checks his brain can't cash.
If I were you, I'd look for a third choice, perhaps rethinking your
original decision to start a "pissing contest" but then, you're not
much of a critical thinker, are you? In any case, the next move is
yours. I'm ready to go with it either way. <g>
hummingbird
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:10:05 -0500 'Ron May'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:06:44 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>> > If you mean the Pricelessware list,
>> Yes I did and no, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you -
>> it'd be pointless.
>
>It's a pissing contest *YOU* chose to start when you made a claim you
>can't back up. For that reason, I agree it would be pointless for you
>to continue. (But you will continue, and I will continue to point out
>you were just running your mouth without thinking first as you've done
>before, so let the games begin.) <g>
Ron, with all due respect, it was you who started the pissing
contest in this thread with 'Me Here'. Anybody reading the
posts will quickly see that you first appeared to slag down
BB's freeware website:
MID: <5t7t54t8b5sugr393...@4ax.com>
...in which you wrote:
" When it [BB's website] comes to the actual content, particularly
WRT the vetting of the freeware selections, I'd say that's where
it misses the mark. As many have continually pointed out here,
some of the Bear's faves have "issues." "
'Me Here' simply pointed out that there are "issues" with some
programs on the PLW website too. Then you started, because you
are emotionally unable to accept any criticism of PLW, given your
very close association with it for a long time. Blinkered comes to
mind. You also rarely let pass the opportunity to attack anyone
who have disagreed with you in the past, despite the truce called
several months ago.
May I also remind you of another thread back in April about Tray
Wizard, which you recommended to people on ACF in this thread:
>http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/browse_thread/thread/805cc6c430724a99/2b1dca3681450970#
-or- http://preview.tinyurl.com/698sct
As I pointed out in several posts at the time, not only is there
confusion about the true program version, but it also makes a mess
of certain Windows settings to the point that I had to uninstall
it and dump it. At the time, SB tried valiantly to defend you,
but sadly failed.
You completely ignored my concerns altogether. Why was that?
What I'm saying now is that if there are concerns about some
programs on ANY freeware website, and there are also concerns
about programs which you recommend. So I don't think you are in
a position to give lectures to others from the moral high ground.
-my 2c worth-
--
most people don't like to hear the truth,
so they elect politicians to hide it from them.
-I am now filtering ALL posts from Franklin
and ALL replies to Franklin-
Ari
>>> Hummingbird, are you trying to get elected as the group's Netkop?
>>
>> Why not? You've locked down Village Idiot and he needs some sort of
>> official title.
>>
> I've got buffoon ;) What is yours?
Hypocritical scourger that you are BoorBear.
--
http://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:54:42 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
LOL Did *I* hit a nerve. I didn't bother reading your crap and I'm
laughing my ass off because you obviously put so much time and effort
into it. Did you even look up the word SUBJECTIVE?
My guess is that you're up to your usual tricks in that you'll try one
of two things - waffle until everyone forgets what the fuck you're
talking about, or two, try to obfuscate the issue by misdirecting it.
Oh BTW, since *YOU* made the claim BB site was full of crap, you spend
your fucking time backing up your claim and stop being such a hypocrite.
Don't come on here spouting BB's site is full of crap and then expect
people to back up their claims if they say the same for PWL. I *know*
pricelessware lists what I'd consider crap programs.
Just in case you don't know, pricelessware isn't the be all and end all
of Freeware, far from it. Get your head out of your ass, fool,
*software is subjective* and what you and your cronies think is great,
others may not. See if you can wrap your tiny brain around that idea.
Listen up downie, I'll type this slowly so it doesn't overheat those two
small brain cells of yours... you're an idiot, a liar and well
deserving of the tag MoRon, now really put me in your killfile like you
said you did several months ago or prove to the world you're not a man
of your word and can't be trusted.
Me Here
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> For anyone who might be interested, I have redesigned my
> website...again. I had to agree with some comments about it being ugly.
> I was enamored by the three scroll columns for a while, but as time
> passed...I ended up hating the appearance and the functionality. After a
>
> Any comments are welcome.
>
Hey BB, those links on the NewsProxy archive page need to stand out more
- different colour perhaps?
Ari
> Hey BB, those links on the NewsProxy archive page need to stand out more
> - different colour perhaps?
Excellent advice. Flexcrap and Cryptoshit need to be coloured in red as
in "don't use this shite".
--
An Explanation Of The Need To Be "Anonymous"
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
iNcReDuLoUs
> Ron May wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:54:42 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>>
> //snipped a LOAD OF CRAP//
>
> LOL Did *I* hit a nerve. I didn't bother reading your crap and I'm
> laughing my ass off because you obviously put so much time and effort
> into it. Did you even look up the word SUBJECTIVE?
Oh, grasshopper :( You have learned your lessons too well...
An unrelated amusing thread you shouldn't bother with:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/583wry
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6f3s44
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5k8oc7
And here's a useful PSA you probably won't bother with:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6pjt94
--
I lurk, therefore I am. If I post, I am iNcReDuLoUs.
hummingbird
On 24 Jun 2008 19:18:06 GMT 'iNcReDuLoUs'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
--nothing--
much more interesting and actually TRUE:
--
"If The Big Boys Can Fake Nyms Why Not Us Weenies"
...iNcReDuLoUs, <alt.test> 17-Aug-2006
iNcReDuLoUs exposed as an Internet Stalker:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/7289956d4abbd325
Ron May
> I didn't bother reading your crap
And that's obvious, because then you'd have to deal with the issues,
and everyone knows you can't.
This is going to be a "for the record" post so that I can refer back
to this Message-ID so everyone can see how you chose to pick a fight
and now can't find your way out of it withoiut looking like an idiot.
As for whether your choice of response to my message was #1 or #2 (I
really didn't think you'd be smart enough to take the clue I
generously gave you that just about any third option would have been
better), It seems like you're a "Number 2" kind of guy in more ways
than one.
You chose:
> (2) expose yourself as a bullshitter
> who's mouth writes checks his brain can't cash.
Now, to reconstruct the relevant part of my prior post:
======================================================
To which I replied:
To which I replied:
============================================================
Your move.
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:21:49 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>> I didn't bother reading your crap
>
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
> ============================================================
>
> Your move.
>
You obviously can't read so I did some finding of my own for you:
http://www.hawaiistories.com/madnamo/archives/Gov.%20Arnold.JPG
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=downie
And you *STILL* haven't put me in your killfile, MoRon.
Me Here
I tried standing up but the relevance is still lost on me. I can't seem
to find the relationship between MoRon's posts and the HB ones you seem
to be directing me to. I'll be honest and say I just glanced at them so
was there something about subjectiveness you wanted to show me?
iNcReDuLoUs
> I'll be honest and say I just glanced at them so was there something
> about subjectiveness you wanted to show me?
No.
Ron May
Ron May
The killfile is addressed in another thread. I'm not letting you
drift off the question at hand. You have again failed to back up your
bullshit as I pointed out in Message-ID:
<q3t264ho4tok2016p...@4ax.com>
The question you CAN'T answer and are trying to run away from is:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
--
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:24:16 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>> Ron May wrote:
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:21:49 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I didn't bother reading your crap
>> // SNIPPED MORE OF MoRon'S CRAP //
>>> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
>>> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
>>> ============================================================
>>>
>>> Your move.
>>>
>> You obviously can't read so I did some finding of my own for you:
>>
>> http://www.hawaiistories.com/madnamo/archives/Gov.%20Arnold.JPG
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=downie
>>
>>
>> And you *STILL* haven't put me in your killfile, MoRon.
>
> The killfile is addressed in another thread.
Crap - you said you would put me in your killfile several months ago.
Just goes to prove you're a fkn *LIAR*.
> I'm not letting you
> drift off the question at hand. You have again failed to back up your
> bullshit as I pointed out
Right back at you fool. Put up or shut up, downie.
Ron May
<SNIP>
You picked this fight:
<q3t264ho4tok2016p...@4ax.com>
I repeat my question:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
We're not changing the subject until you answer. If you want me to
abuse you some more after that with the other distractions you've
tried to throw in as part of a failed effort to draw attention away
from the fact that you're a bullshitter who makes claims you can't
back up, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:56:21 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> You picked this fight:
>
> <q3t264ho4tok2016p...@4ax.com>
>
You made the first claim:
<7t2u541lhp224omn0...@4ax.com>
> I repeat my question:
>
As do I.
>> Right back at you fool. Put up or shut up, downie.
> We're not changing the subject
Good, now back up your claim or *SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU RETARD*.
Ron May
<SNIP>
You went out of your way to pick this fight with ne over something
that *ARI* wrote about "BearCrapWare". That is obvious to anyone who
reads this:
<q3t264ho4tok2016p...@4ax.com>
...and the posts that lead up to it.
You ASKED for this fight, you WANTED this fight, you GOT this fight.
If you've finally figured out that you bit off more than you can chew,
well that's jusrt too goddamn bad. If you think I'm even CLOSE to
dropping it, you're delusional.
I will be GLAD to discuss any of the smokescreen issues you're trying
to throw in now AFTER you either answer my question or face up to the
fact you were just running your mouth as usual when you STARTED this
"pissing contest" you claim you didn't want.
I repeat:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
You can't do it and everyone reading this knows it.
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:58:30 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>
>
Of course I can do it, I just chose not to because it's a waste of my
time arguing with a PW zealot, however, if you're willing to back up
your claims, I'll do the same.
Your move.
Ron May
I told you that you run your mouth without engaging your brain.
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see the irony in your
weak excuse that you "chose not to because it's a waste of my time
arguing with a PW zealot."
Attempted "PW zealot" insult aside, WTF do you think you're doing now?
(You're SO fucking easy!) <g>
The fact of the matter is you know you impulsively decided to jump in
and start something without thinking it through, and now you don't
know how to get out of it.
I repeat:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
The question ISN'T going away. How much time you decide to waste or
not waste is up to you. My plan is to continue until (a) you answer,
(b) you retract, or (c) you decide you've had enough and quit.
I can assure you right now I will not allow you to sidetrack the
conversation as you've been attempting to do. Once you answer, we can
talk about the questions you have for me, but your transparent
avoidance tactics won't work.
You picked this fight. If it's not working out like you planned, all
I can say is that you should have thought twice before starting it.
hummingbird
On 25 Jun 2008 01:03:52 GMT 'iNcReDuLoUs'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>> I'll be honest and say I just glanced at them so was there something
>> about subjectiveness you wanted to show me?
>
>No.
rotfl iNcReDuLoUsE. That reminds me of your response to a poster
on another newsgroup a short while ago after he commented about
the relevance of you posting the same list of URLs and other crap
about me in a totally unrelated thread on that group.
You replied: "Noted".
But here you are doing it again, on ACF.
No wonder you're called a stalker.
I know you've only been lurking on Usenet since about end 2006
when you got a shiny new computer for Christmas, but that ought
to be long enough to have learnt the basics of Usenet netiquette.
Don't you think?
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:48:00 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
I repeat: *YOUR* move.
I've stated I'm willing to back up my claims are you?
Answer that simple question or are you too afraid because you know where
it'll lead?
Ron May
I've already agreed to address any OTHER issues you want to discuss
AFTER you comply. In case you don't read what you snip, I made that
clear AT LEAST THREE TIMES ALREADY in this thread:
In Message-ID: <73r364hg73s7dial9...@4ax.com>:
> We're not changing the subject until you answer. If you want me to
> abuse you some more after that with the other distractions you've
> tried to throw in as part of a failed effort to draw attention away
> from the fact that you're a bullshitter who makes claims you can't
> back up, I'll be more than happy to oblige.
In Message-ID: <m0v364lgna5t94j2l...@4ax.com>
> I will be GLAD to discuss any of the smokescreen issues you're trying
> to throw in now AFTER you either answer my question or face up to the
> fact you were just running your mouth as usual when you STARTED this
> "pissing contest" you claim you didn't want.
In Message-ID: <jv646414q94fv4r8q...@4ax.com>
> I can assure you right now I will not allow you to sidetrack the
> conversation as you've been attempting to do. Once you answer, we can
> talk about the questions you have for me, but your transparent
> avoidance tactics won't work.
I can't make it clearer. No side issues, smokescreens, impotent and
pathetic attempts you're making to avoid answering the question will
work. What you choose to do about it is up to you, but I'm not going
to allow this discussion to drift away from the question you've
refused to answer despite it being asked EIGHT TIMES IN A ROW up to
this point.
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
It won't go away until you deal with it by answering, retracting, or
dropping out. I'm here for the duration whatever you decide, but I
won't allow you to alter the discussion until the above question is
addressed.
John Fitzsimons
>Ron May wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:58:30 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>> <SNIP>
>> You can't do it and everyone reading this knows it.
>Of course I can do it,
Obvious typo. Of course you "cannot" do it. Ron asked you to support
your claims and you cannot. No idea why you want him to continue
showing you up to be a fool though.
< snip >
Bear Bottoms
This is pathetic attempt at reversal...Ron Mo initiated allegation without
supporting it. You John, are one of the scourgers of the group.
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:39:03 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
> It won't go away until you deal with it by answering, retracting, or
> dropping out.
Been answered - learn to read. If you're not going to be bothered to
back up your claims, neither will I, chicken-shit.
Me Here
Oh, nice selective quoting Fitzsimons, they have a name for people like
you. Here's the *FULL* text of that message. Make sure you take note
of the part where I say I will back up my claims if MoRon can be
bothered to do the same:
Me Here wrote:
>
> Ron May wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:58:30 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>
>> You can't do it and everyone reading this knows it.
>>
>
> Of course I can do it, I just chose not to because it's a waste of my
> time arguing with a PW zealot, however, if you're willing to back up
> your claims, I'll do the same.
>
> Your move.
>
>
And another one in case you missed it the first time:
Me Here wrote:
>
> Ron May wrote:
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:48:00 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>>
> // SNIPPED LONG WINDED CRAP POST AGAIN//
>
> I repeat: *YOUR* move.
>
> I've stated I'm willing to back up my claims are you?
>
As you can see, I'm willing to get off my ass and back up my claims - he
obviously can't/won't so it's just going to turn into a circular argument.
Ron May
John Fitzsimons called you on yor bullshit. You're the one who
decided to jump in and start this. The record is clear. I've gone
over it before and outlined it here:
Message-ID: <q3t264ho4tok2016p...@4ax.com>
It was *ARI* who used the term "BearCrapWare" not me. Anyone can see
I gave Bear credit where credit was due, and offered candid feedback
regarding the content that few would disagree with.
It was *YOU* who decided to run your mouth and make a bullshit claim
you can't back up. Once you *finally* figured out you fucked up and
got yourself into the situation you're in, you've been trying to
change the subject and create distractions. It won't fly.
I repeat the unanswered question for the NINTH time in a row:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
It won't go away until you deal with it.
Me Here
Ron May wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:06:48 +1000, Me Here <me_here@home> wrote:
>
>>> It won't go away until you deal with it by answering, retracting, or
>>> dropping out.
>> Been answered - learn to read. If you're not going to be bothered to
>> back up your claims, neither will I, chicken-shit.
>
Get with the program, it's been answered. What part of the above have
you failed to comprehend, chicken-shit? My cards are on the table so
stop trying to avoid the issue - either back up your claims, retract
what you said about BB site or put me in your Killfile.
Ron May
What I said regarding the Bearware site is contained here for anyone
to read:
Message-ID: <7t2u541lhp224omn0...@4ax.com>
It stands on its own. There's nothing to back up.
You, OTOH, *HAVEN'T* answered the question.
I repeat the unanswered question for the TENTH time in a row:
> Back up your claim, shit for brains. Which programs on the
> Pricelessware list are "crap"?
You CAN'T answer it and you know it. Just keep on proving me right by
trying to avoid it. Your distraction tactics won't work, and the
record trail gets longer.
The question will NOT go away until you deal with it, retract, or drop
out. What you ultimately choose to do is of little interest to me in
the long run, but I *am* getting some mild entertainment value from
watching you twist in the wind. There will be plenty of time for me
to put you back in my killfile after I'm through amusing myself. <g>
hummingbird
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:04:41 +1000 'John Fitzsimons'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Obvious typo. Of course you "cannot" do it. Ron asked you to support
>your claims and you cannot. No idea why you want him to continue
>showing you up to be a fool though.
>
>< snip >
John Fitzsimons, you obviously haven't read the thread in its
entirety. If you had, you would have seen that Ron May started
the pissing contest in his first two posts, by slagging down BB's
website. He could have by-passed Ari's original comment but
couldn't resist the opportunity of sniping.
It was those criticisms that Me Here responded to, and the
evidence is there to see ... for those wanting to look.
Since then, Ron May's been arguing, and also lying using his same
old, same old bullying tactics, and trying to grab the moral high
ground. That is how he operates.
I expect nothing else from Ron May, after all, he's a socialist
with a strong authoritarian streak. <sigh>.
--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)