Word (2003) to PDF?

[Terry Pinnell]

I was advised by a friend that using Microsoft Word I could convert a
document to a PDF. But I'm guessing he hadn't realised I'm using a 9 year
old version of Word, 2003. That has no provision to save as a PDF.

Anyone have a personal recommendation for directly converting a Word doc
to PDF please?

Alternatively, as I can save from Word 2003 to HTM, an easy to use HTM to
PDF converter would be fine.

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

[Ivan V. Klattrup]

Terry Pinnell skrev:

>That has no provision to save as a PDF.

use a pdf-printer and print to pdf
an example pdf creator http://www.pdfforge.org/

--
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http://klattrup.dk

[terry...@gmail.com]

Thanks Ivan. Yes, you just beat me to it. Was about to confess with embarassment that I'd just remembered that. I installed PDF Creator years ago but haven't used it for ages.

--
Terry, UK

[Bear]

Terry Pinnell <terr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in
news:q3p27817vo3bblvm5...@4ax.com:

GoogleDocs or SkyDrive will easily do it.

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[VanguardLH]

"Terry Pinnell" wrote:

> Anyone have a personal recommendation for directly converting a Word
> doc to PDF please?

With an emulated PDF printer, you simply use the Print function in an
application and select to print to the emulated PDF printer. I used to
use PDFcreator but eventually moved to Bullzip. Features vary amongst
them. Some users like a very basic PDF printer and some prefer more
options. Below is a partial list of PDF printers:

BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)

+ Licensing allows non-commercial and commercial use. Others not marked
are licensed ONLY for personal (non-commercial) use.

* I don't know the resources consumption of PrimoPDF. Their PDF reader
was a pig on disk and memory consumption when I last trialed it.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/58cc1ecf568e3dd9

** In-your-face adware. "The free versions display a sponsor page in
your web browser each time you run the software."

*** PDFxchange is usually associated with just their PDF reader (i.e.,
PDFxchange Reader). PDFxchange Lite is their emulated PDF printer.

If you don't want to install any software and want to upload your file
to an online converter, and if your document doesn't contain any
sensitive information, and if you're willing to divulge your e-mail
address (or you could use a disposable account or e-mail address), see:

http://www.primopdf.com/online.aspx
(make sure to UNCHECK the "Send news & special offers" option)

[Man-wai Chang]

Using PDFCreator over here...

> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)

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[Saint Michael Archangel]

Bear, when did you stop your lies to ACF?

[Craig]

On 10/07/2012 06:13 AM, Bear wrote:
> Terry Pinnell <terr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in
> news:q3p27817vo3bblvm5...@4ax.com:
>
>> I was advised by a friend that using Microsoft Word I could convert a
>> document to a PDF. But I'm guessing he hadn't realised I'm using a 9 year
>> old version of Word, 2003. That has no provision to save as a PDF.
>>
>> Anyone have a personal recommendation for directly converting a Word doc
>> to PDF please?
>>
>> Alternatively, as I can save from Word 2003 to HTM, an easy to use HTM to
>> PDF converter would be fine.
>>
>
> GoogleDocs or SkyDrive will easily do it.

larf


--
-Craig

[Craig]

On 10/07/2012 09:38 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
>
> Using PDFCreator over here...
>
>> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
>> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
>> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
>> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
>> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
>> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
>> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)

nice list, thx


--
-Craig

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4siq2$d0h$1@dont-
email.me:

>> GoogleDocs or SkyDrive will easily do it.
>
> larf

Nice to see how little you know about GoogleDocs

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4siqn$d0h$2@dont-
email.me:

Combine all of those together and still falls short of what
GoogleDocs/Drive can do.

[Sir Cumference]

Bear wrote:

> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4siq2$d0h$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>>> GoogleDocs or SkyDrive will easily do it.
>>
>> larf
>
> Nice to see how little you know about GoogleDocs

Nice to see how little you care about the privacy of your data.

[Bear]

Sir Cumference <si...@nowhere.inv> wrote in news:k4sq9q$obn$1@dont-
email.me:

> Nice to see how little you care about the privacy of your data.

That is quite funny...so much so it is worth this response. Are you telling
me you have unencrypted sensitive data on your computer? Laymen, sheesh.

Better yet, you have sensitive data in PDF format? LMAO.

[troppo]

"Ivan V. Klattrup" <ivan.k...@gmail.com> wrote in news:507166a9$0$284
$1472...@news.sunsite.dk:

> Terry Pinnell skrev:
>
>>That has no provision to save as a PDF.
>
> use a pdf-printer and print to pdf
> an example pdf creator http://www.pdfforge.org/

+2 for pdf creator @ pdfforge.

This is more configurable, produces more compact files than most other free
pdf virtual printers I've tried. Also better for some purposes than my
paid-for pdfFactory.

[Sir Cumference]

Bear wrote:

> Sir Cumference <si...@nowhere.inv> wrote in news:k4sq9q$obn$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> Nice to see how little you care about the privacy of your data.
>
> That is quite funny...so much so it is worth this response. Are you
> telling me you have unencrypted sensitive data on your computer?

Sure, lots of it. Do realize none of it is in "the cloud." No need to
encrypt it, because you surely have absolutely no access to it. Neither
does your master, Mr. Google.

> Laymen, sheesh.

Not in my house. Do realize, however, that most people who use this
"cloud" you keep touting won't even know *how* to encrypt their data.

> Better yet, you have sensitive data in PDF format? LMAO.

Not me. LMAO.

[Mike Dee]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

> Anyone have a personal recommendation for directly converting a
> Word doc to PDF please?

As well as the mentioned PDF print drivers, there is also:

LibreOffice:
http://www.libreoffice.org/
and OpenOffice:
http://www.openoffice.org/

Either of the above can open Word documents and print directly to PDF,
nicely.

--
dee

[p-0'0-h the cat]

On 07 Oct 2012 21:44:41 GMT, Bear <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:

>Sir Cumference <si...@nowhere.inv> wrote in news:k4sq9q$obn$1@dont-
>email.me:
>
>> Nice to see how little you care about the privacy of your data.
>
>That is quite funny...so much so it is worth this response. Are you telling
>me you have unencrypted sensitive data on your computer? Laymen, sheesh.
>
>Better yet, you have sensitive data in PDF format? LMAO.

What are you waffling on about now Bottom. What does the format matter?
LMAO.

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Taking a break from John Corliss

[Bear]

Sir Cumference <si...@nowhere.inv> wrote in news:k4t2uq$8u7$1@dont-
email.me:

>> Better yet, you have sensitive data in PDF format? LMAO.
>
> Not me. LMAO.
>

Well what the fuck are you touting on about.

[Sir Cumference]

Bear wrote:

> Sir Cumference wrote:

>> [restored] Bear wrote:
>>> Better yet, you have sensitive data in PDF format? LMAO.
>>
>> Not me. LMAO.
>
> Well what the fuck are you touting on about.

Your touting of Mr. Google's "cloud" and how insecure it is. Why do you
want to give all your data to him?

I'm sorry you couldn't figure that out.

[VanguardLH]

From Google Images, I found the following dialogs used within
OpenOffice's Writer to create a .pdf file:

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/File-Export-as-PDF-in-OpenOffice-Writer_thumb.png
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Save-a-PDF-in-OpenOffice-Writer_thumb.png

So it looks like there you export to a PDF file versus using Print to
create the .pdf file in other apps.

[Bear]

Sir Cumference <si...@nowhere.inv> wrote in news:k4t71u$46c$1@dont-
email.me:

You have been caught in your own contradicitons.

[Mark Warner]

Bear wrote:
>
> You have been caught in your own contradicitons.

fdisk -l

--
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MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

[Craig]

On 10/07/2012 06:13 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> So it looks like there you export to a PDF file versus using Print to
> create the .pdf file in other apps.

It's the same result. IOW, there's little practical difference between
"export to" and "print to."

--
-Craig

[Mike Dee]

VanguardLH wrote:

> "Mike Dee" wrote:
[...]

>> As well as the mentioned PDF print drivers, there is also:
>>
>> LibreOffice:
>> http://www.libreoffice.org/
>> and OpenOffice:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/
>>
>> Either of the above can open Word documents and print directly to
>> PDF, nicely.
>
> From Google Images, I found the following dialogs used within
> OpenOffice's Writer to create a .pdf file:
>
> http://www.online-tech-tips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/File-Export-as-PDF-in-OpenOffice-Writer_thumb.png
> http://www.online-tech-tips.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Save-a-PDF-in-OpenOffice-Writer_thumb.png
>
> So it looks like there you export to a PDF file versus using Print
> to create the .pdf file in other apps.

Yes. From the "Export as PDF..." options via the "File" menu you can
also set print quality & JPEG resolution & how the document should
display in a PDF reader, etc. And from the "File" menu,
"Properties..." sub-menu you can set additional meta-data for the
PDF if you wish to (Creator name, document name, description, etc).

Although, perhaps most folks would likely click the handy "Export
Directly as PDF" button (next to Printer icon in the tool bar),
negating going through the Export dialog, via the menu selection in
those pics.

I actually prefer using the one click button in the tool bar if
converting a web page to PDF, especially one with a lot of links, as
they all transfer seamlessly with URLs intact. Very nice and as they
say, "a no brainer".

--
dee

[Mike Dee]

Yes, both methods end in creating a PDF file ;-)

Technically _it is different_, I said "Print to..." in my 1st post, but
it is more correct to say "Export As..." in this case, as you don't go
via the Print setup to "print" a document to PDF in LO/OOo.

Although you could choose to print to a PDF printer in LO/OOo if you
have a PDF print driver set up.

--
dee

[Bear]

Mike Dee <mik...@emteedee.invalid> wrote in
news:XnsA0E687CF...@emteedee.invalid:

OMG - VangaurdLH,Craig, and Mike Dee - you have got to be kidding us,
right?

[John Corliss]

Craig wrote:
> Man-wai Chang top posted:

>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>> Using PDFCreator over here...
>>
>>> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
>>> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
>>> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
>>> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
>>> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
>>> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
>>> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)
>
> nice list, thx

But you know it was VanguardLH who originally posted the list though,
not Man-wai Chang.

--
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freeware- which I define as legally obtainable, local install computer
programs that can be used indefinitely at no cost, monetary or otherwise.

Filtering out messages containing b7r...@gmail.com in the "From:" header
and messages containing "mixmin.net" in the path statement will knock
out more than half or even three quarters of the forgeries and trolling
in this group. I also recommend filtering out any messages which are
crossposted to other newsgroups.

Forger-trolls use altered headers, rogue services and anonymous
remailers and feeds to hide their identities and to forge messages from
others. Unless otherwise noted, you can at least block messages from
these sources by setting up filters based on the path header for the
following domains:

aioe.org
alt.net
anonymous
astraweb
datemas.de
dizum.com
ecn.org
enfer-du-nord.net
frell.theremailer.net
google.com
googlegroups.com
mail2news
mixmaster.*
mixmin <----------ESPECIALLY this one!
newshosting.com
newsreader.com
octanews.net
open-news-network.org
reece.net.au (in the Message-ID header)
remailer
rip.ax.lt
tioat.net
usenet4all.se
xsusenet.com
x-privat.org
etc. (as they appear).

[johnpe...@gmail.com]

You can use Kernel for word to pdf software for the same purpose, visit http://www.wordtopdffree.net for the demo and working of the software.

[Craig]

On 10/08/2012 03:48 AM, John Corliss wrote:
> Craig wrote:
>> Man-wai Chang top posted:
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>> Using PDFCreator over here...
>>>
>>>> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
>>>> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
>>>> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
>>>> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
>>>> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
>>>> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
>>>> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)
>>
>> nice list, thx
>
> But you know it was VanguardLH who originally posted the list though,
> not Man-wai Chang.
>

Nope. And, tbh, was somewhat shocked at the utility of Man-wai's
"post." %-0 Thanks Van & John.

--
-Craig

[Ezekiel 25:15]

Bear, when did you stop lying to us? Advise.

[Duddits]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:58:32 -0700, Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com>
wrote:

IME "export to" makes the links work where as "print to" does not.

regards

Dud
--
"My idea of an interesting person is someone who is quite proud of their
seemingly abnormal life and turns their disadvantage into a career."
- John Waters

[Gordon Darling]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:46:46 +0000, Bear wrote:


> Combine all of those together and still falls short of what
> GoogleDocs/Drive can do.

fdisk -l ?????

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Bear" <bearbo...@gmai.com>

> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4siqn$d0h$2@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> On 10/07/2012 09:38 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> Using PDFCreator over here...
>>>
>>>> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
>>>> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
>>>> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
>>>> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
>>>> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
>>>> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
>>>> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)
>>
>> nice list, thx
>>
> Combine all of those together and still falls short of what
> GoogleDocs/Drive can do.
>

Yes, Google also profits from the content of your documents. Nobody in
their right mind would EVER use GoogleDocs to process company sensitive
documents. In fact, I can see an employee getting fired if it was
discovered they did so when processing a Gov't. SOW.

Not in the list, LibreOffice and OpenOffice can directly create a PDF from a
MS Word 2003 DOC or DOCX file.



--
Dave
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http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

[Mark Warner]

No, I don't think Google Docs can quite do /that/.

[Bear]

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in
news:AcGdnTv9J6Ju3O7N...@giganews.com:

> From: "Bear" <bearbo...@gmai.com>
>
>> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4siqn$d0h$2@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> On 10/07/2012 09:38 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Using PDFCreator over here...
>>>>
>>>>> BullZip PDF Printer (www.bullzip.com)
>>>>> PDFcreator (www.pdfforge.org)+
>>>>> CutePDF Writer (www.cutepdf.com)+
>>>>> PrimoPDF * (www.primopdf.com)
>>>>> PDF995 ** (www.pdf995.com)
>>>>> doPDF (www.dopdf.com)+
>>>>> PDFxchange Lite *** (www.tracker-software.com)
>>>
>>> nice list, thx
>>>
>> Combine all of those together and still falls short of what
>> GoogleDocs/Drive can do.
>>
>
> Yes, Google also profits from the content of your documents. Nobody
> in their right mind would EVER use GoogleDocs to process company
> sensitive documents. In fact, I can see an employee getting fired if
> it was discovered they did so when processing a Gov't. SOW.

Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
sensitive documents should be fired. Are you speaking about fly-by-night
companies?

[p-0'0-h the cat]

On 08 Oct 2012 22:34:17 GMT, Bear <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:

>Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
>approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
>sensitive documents should be fired.

Seig Heil!

Back in the real world where everyone isn't a disenfranchised drone
Dalek, and innovation, agility, and personal expression aren't
considered to be a threat to the hive, you don't go sacking valuable
employees because some silly tart in the IT department says so.

[Craig]

http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html

--
-Craig

[Mark Warner]

American Red Cross. Now *there's* a fly-by-night outfit if I ever heard
of one.

Oh, and then there's Boise State. With that sick blue football field.
Fuck me runnin'...

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4vn00$7gh$3@dont-
email.me:

>> Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
>> approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
>> sensitive documents should be fired. Are you speaking about fly-by-night
>> companies?
>
> http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html

Nice. Thanks for the corroboration. Over 5 million businesses have gone
Google - company provided or approved software on their Intranets.
Outstanding.

[David H. Lipman]

From: "Craig" <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com>

>> Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
>> approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
>> sensitive documents should be fired. Are you speaking about fly-by-night
>> companies?
>
> http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html
>

Google K00l-aide slupers.

[Craig]

On 10/8/2012 6:45 PM, Bear wrote:
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4vn00$7gh$3@dont-
> email.me:
>
>>> Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
>>> approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
>>> sensitive documents should be fired. Are you speaking about fly-by-night
>>> companies?
>>
>> http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html
>
> Nice. Thanks for the corroboration. Over 5 million businesses have gone
> Google - company provided or approved software on their Intranets.
> Outstanding.

BB, again, is misrepresenting the facts; that is, lying.
Google Apps is not an Intranet.

--
-Craig

[Trent Manzanares]

Thanks Bear, much obliged. I asked for crapola,and boy,you handed it
out. PLEASE DROP BEAR SHIT FOR ANOTHER 200 LYING SUBMISSIONS. I have
faith in you Bear, I know you have the crap! SPAM US
BEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[james...@gmail.com]

You can directly convert one or more word files to a pdf file using Kernel for word to pdf software, for more info and demo of the software visit http://www.wordtopdffree.net

[Terry Pinnell]

Many thanks all, much appreciate what looks like a nearly exhaustive list
of alternatives. Special thanks to Vanguard for initiating that methodical
analysis.

As per my initial follow-up to Ivan yesterday, I've now re-familiarised
myself with my long installed (but forgotten!) PDF Creator. It works well
and it did help me complete the immediate project that prompted the thread
(posting a few tutorials). However I will work my way through some of the
other freeware suggested.

In particular can anyone recommend one which has flexibility over the
resulting layout? In several PDF files I wanted to either remove unwanted
white space or add a little to separate images from text. I fell back on
doing this in Word 2003.

In fact most of the time on this project was spent trying to work out
1. How to format my document in Word (an app I use very infrequently, so
I'd forgotten a lot).
2. How to map between what I do there in Word and what I get in my PDF.

My documents all took the form of a title followed by series of full width
images interspersed with explanatory text. But the best result I could get
usually looked like this:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/ExamplePDF-1.jpg

I would have preferred to get right away from those A4 pages and see my
material on a continuous background, with much less vertical white space.
The reader could then just scroll down. I even tried using the custom
paper size 'Continuous' in Word (which was anyway limited to the odd size
of 57.67 cm, no idea why), but that got me in a worse mess.

Is there some basic concept or technique I'm missing here please? Or any
of those converters that will let me edit the layout in the resultant PDF,
regardless of how I might display it in Word?

--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK

[Terry Pinnell]

james...@gmail.com wrote:

>You can directly convert one or more word files to a pdf file using Kernel for word to pdf software, for more info and demo of the software visit http://www.wordtopdffree.net

The free demo watermarks the PDFs but thought I'd check the commercial
version price. However laziness/impatience got me at this stage:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/NoActiveLink.jpg

[Terry Pinnell]

...but curiosity trumped those. The prices are at:
http://www.nucleustechnologies.com/buy-word-to-pdf.html

$29 single user.

[p-0'0-h the cat]

On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:54:09 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
<DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

>From: "Craig" <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com>
>
>
>>> Any employee using non-standard software other than company provided or
>>> approved software on other than their Intranet and managing company
>>> sensitive documents should be fired. Are you speaking about fly-by-night
>>> companies?
>>
>> http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html
>>
>
>Google K00l-aide slupers.

Well to be fair there are loads of companies who have no IP, or secrets
worth keeping. I have a building company who could use this, or similar
hosted solutions. Their emails are 99.9% "Bricks on site Tuesday", "Get
the **** over and finish it", simple spreadsheet snagging lists,
invoices and quotes, just knock about bollocks.

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
news:k5087i$n8s$1...@dont-email.me:

Most significant businesses work within Intranets and like the
International company I work for, has VPN access. The Cloud, especially
Google's is very similar and though my company doesn't use it, others,
like the link you provided utilize it in a very similar way. Obviously
eh! I'll bet you do not have access to their files. So yes, the Cloud
can be an Intranet for business'. It is the future.

Just a few examples of how wrong you are:

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/vizard/building-next-generation-social-intranets-for-the-cloud/?cs=49736

http://www.quora.com/Intranets/Which-is-the-best-intranet-solution-Cloud-Computing-and-open-source

http://www.cmswire.com/cms/social-business/dreamforce-2012-closer-towards-the-cloud-based-intranet-df12-017515.php

http://www.cmswire.com/cms/social-business/can-you-move-your-intranet-to-the-cloud--017152.php

http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/enterprise-software/TCH_ENT/1018342-20305432

[Craig]

On 10/09/2012 02:25 AM, Bear wrote:
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
> news:k5087i$n8s$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 10/8/2012 6:45 PM, Bear wrote:
>>> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k4vn00$7gh$3@dont-
>>> email.me:
>>>
>>>>> Any employee using non-standard software other than company
>>>>> provided or approved software on other than their Intranet and
>>>>> managing company sensitive documents should be fired. Are you
>>>>> speaking about fly-by-night companies?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/customers.html
>>>
>>> Nice. Thanks for the corroboration. Over 5 million businesses have
>>> gone Google - company provided or approved software on their
>>> Intranets. Outstanding.
>>
>> BB, again, is misrepresenting the facts; that is, lying.
>> Google Apps is not an Intranet.
>>
>
> Most significant businesses work within Intranets and like the
> International company I work for, has VPN access.

Perhaps they do, and yet, Google Apps is not an Intranet.

--
-Craig

[Bell Bottoms [Blue Crushed Velvet with a Flowery Shirt]]

On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:01:33 -0700, Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com>
wrote:

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'?" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't�till I
tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'?"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice
objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone,
"it means just what I choose it to mean�neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so
many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master
that's all."

[VanguardLH]

Emulated PDF printers are just that: printers. Whatever you want for
layout is done back in your word processor. I don't know what you mean
by "mapping" the layout from your editor into the PDF output since
whatever you do in the editor is what you get out from the PDF printer.

If you're looking on how to remove the top & bottom margins along with
the header and footer space inside your word processor, ask in a
community that knows that editor (Word, OpenOffice, etc). Or use a
plain text editor that doesn't have all those gizmos for features and
use its Print function to create a PDF without whitespace between pages,
especially if the text editor doesn't support paging.

While PDFxchange (their reader, not their Lite product which is their
PDF printer) lets you add annotation to a .pdf file, it isn't a PDF
editor to let you change paging, spacing, etc. You do that back in your
word processor or text editor before you use the Print function within
it to "print" to PDF output. Once in PDF format, you'll need a
different editor to directly modify the .pdf contents if you don't want
to go back to your original word processor/editor to deal with your
changes there. While conversion to PDF is free because the doc format
is open, editing a .pdf file delves into Adobe's proprietary software.
There are cheaper alternatives to Adobe Acrobat but they still cost
money.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9192927/Acrobat_and_its_alternatives_4_ways_to_edit_PDFs_

Currently your doc source is usable by some word processor or text
editor. Since you have that source doc, you edit it in your word
processor or text editor and then "print" it again into a .pdf file. If
the source doc is just the .pdf file then you have to get a PDF editor
to modify its contents.

I did find the following for free editing of PDF files but I don't know
how robust is their feature set. Online solutions means you better not
be uploading .pdf files with sensitive content.

PDFescape (www.pdfescape.com)* - no draw tool, 4 fonts max
PDFedit (pdfedit.cz)** - mostly for *NIX, Win32 GUI is beta
OpenOffice - import PDF into Draw
Inkscape (inkscape.org) - import/export PDF, draw tool, edit
Nitro PDF to Word (www.pdftoword.com)* - convert .pdf to Word
PDFxchange Viewer (tracker-software.com) - add text annotation

* Online tool.

** Uses Qt libs: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(framework) (it's
not Quicktime crap). Digia acquired Qt in 2012 from Nokia (at a huge
loss to Nokia) who acquired Qt in 2008 from Trolltech. Qt's future
(suvivability, feature set, cross-platform support) is unclear.

[Terry Pinnell]

Excellent, thanks, I'll investigate all those suggestions.

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k5177d$i09$1@dont-
email.me:

> Perhaps they do, and yet,

There is no "perhaps" about it.../they do!/.

> Google Apps is not an Intranet.

Nobody except you even alluded that they were. It is in fact, a stupid
statement as they are by name Apps.

[Mike Dee]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

>>"Mike Dee" wrote:

>>> LibreOffice:
>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/
>>> and OpenOffice:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/
>>>

[...]

>
> My documents all took the form of a title followed by series of
> full width images interspersed with explanatory text. But the best
> result I could get usually looked like this:
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/ExamplePDF-1.jpg
>
> I would have preferred to get right away from those A4 pages and
> see my material on a continuous background, with much less
> vertical white space. The reader could then just scroll down. I
> even tried using the custom paper size 'Continuous' in Word (which
> was anyway limited to the odd size of 57.67 cm, no idea why), but
> that got me in a worse mess.
>
> Is there some basic concept or technique I'm missing here please?
> Or any of those converters that will let me edit the layout in the
> resultant PDF, regardless of how I might display it in Word?

Getting back to LO/OOo, both of which can open & edit Word 2003 docs
directly and export these to PDF.

In the Export to PDF dialog you get several choices such as how the
PDF is displayed at the receiving end.

Such as,
Page Layout: Default, Single Page, Continous, Continuous Facing.
Interface Options: Hide Menubar, Hide Toolbar, Hide Window Controls.
etc; etc...

Looking at that link you provided. What you're attempting looks like
it would be better suited to a DTP program than Word.

Again, LO/OOo is more suited to DTP than Word is. By using the LO/OOo
Draw module for layout you get a lot more control (and its easier
too) over how a page is laid out, instead of futzing around in Word.
But its what you're used too, I guess.

--
dee

[Craig]

On 10/09/2012 02:12 PM, Bear wrote:
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k5177d$i09$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> Perhaps they do, and yet,
>
> There is no "perhaps" about it.../they do!/.
>
>> Google Apps is not an Intranet.
>
> Nobody except you even alluded that they were.

Sure BB

> It is in fact, a stupid statement as they are by name Apps.

Uh huh

--
-Craig

[General Teddy Roosevelts Pistols]

Bear, when did you stop lying to us?

[p-0'0-h the cat]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT), General Teddy Roosevelts
Pistols <b7r...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bear, when did you stop lying to us?

Craig let him off too lightly. No killer instinct,

*** KILL BEARPAIR ***

[Bear]

Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k52b9h$1hh$2@dont-
email.me:

Too cute little one. Now run along and play - but do try to stay out of
trouble.

[p-0'0-h the cat]

On 10 Oct 2012 01:11:47 GMT, Bear <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:

>Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k52b9h$1hh$2@dont-
>email.me:
>
>> On 10/09/2012 02:12 PM, Bear wrote:
>>> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:k5177d$i09$1@dont-
>>> email.me:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps they do, and yet,
>>>
>>> There is no "perhaps" about it.../they do!/.
>>>
>>>> Google Apps is not an Intranet.
>>>
>>> Nobody except you even alluded that they were.
>>
>> Sure BB
>>
>>> It is in fact, a stupid statement as they are by name Apps.
>>
>> Uh huh
>>
>
>Too cute little one. Now run along and play - but do try to stay out of
>trouble.

This is the dawning of the age of the OVERCAT

[Mark Warner]

Bear wrote:
>
> Too cute little one. Now run along and play - but do try to stay out of
> trouble.

fdisk -l

[Terry Pinnell]

Thanks Mike, downloading OpenOffice now and hope to install this evening.

[Craig]

On 10/9/2012 6:11 PM, Bear wrote:

> Too cute little one. Now run along and play - but do try to stay out of
> trouble.

<shrug>

Maybe you'll feel sharper in the morning.

--
-Craig

[Terry Pinnell]

Went ahead earlier than expected. Obviously now need to study carefully
and experiment with those formatting suggestions. Thanks for the
recommendation.

Amused to see that OO's UK dictionary doesn't regard 'movie' as valid ;-)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/OO-Spell-Movie.jpg

[Terry Pinnell]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote:

[snipped]

>Emulated PDF printers are just that: printers. Whatever you want for
>layout is done back in your word processor. I don't know what you mean
>by "mapping" the layout from your editor into the PDF output since
>whatever you do in the editor is what you get out from the PDF printer.
>
>If you're looking on how to remove the top & bottom margins along with
>the header and footer space inside your word processor, ask in a
>community that knows that editor (Word, OpenOffice, etc). Or use a
>plain text editor that doesn't have all those gizmos for features and
>use its Print function to create a PDF without whitespace between pages,
>especially if the text editor doesn't support paging.
>
>While PDFxchange (their reader, not their Lite product which is their
>PDF printer) lets you add annotation to a .pdf file, it isn't a PDF
>editor to let you change paging, spacing, etc. You do that back in your
>word processor or text editor before you use the Print function within
>it to "print" to PDF output. Once in PDF format, you'll need a
>different editor to directly modify the .pdf contents if you don't want
>to go back to your original word processor/editor to deal with your
>changes there.

I tried changing the page layout in Word as shown, but the resultant PDF
still shows A4 pages.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/FormatingWordForPDF-1.jpg

There is a drop-down list of layouts in the PDF Creator dialogs before
'printing', but I tried a couple (such as 'A4 Small') and still got A4
pages in the PDF.

I'm sure it's my misunderstanding or error, but the penny hasn't dropped
yet.

[Mike Dee]

Terry Pinnell wrote:

> Went ahead earlier than expected. Obviously now need to study
> carefully and experiment with those formatting suggestions. Thanks
> for the recommendation.

Great, I hope it helps. You may find that it can open & edit a wide
range of MS Word doc versions, not only Word 2003. So it may come in
handy one day for those too (and Excel as well, if the need arises).

>
> Amused to see that OO's UK dictionary doesn't regard 'movie' as
> valid ;-) https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/OO-Spell-Movie.jpg

No idea why it should be doing that. My OOo dictionary is for
Australian English and that doesn't object to the word "movie".
You can always get it to "learn" to accept a word that you know is
correctly spelled, but it doesn't explain why its not there in the 1st
place. If a word is in the "Oxford" (and movie is) it should be there
in the OOo UK dictionary too.

--
dee

[Bob Maria]

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 4:52:02 PM UTC+5:30, Terry Pinnell wrote:
> I was advised by a friend that using Microsoft Word I could convert a
>
> document to a PDF. But I'm guessing he hadn't realised I'm using a 9 year
>
> old version of Word, 2003. That has no provision to save as a PDF.

>
>
>
> Anyone have a personal recommendation for directly converting a Word doc
>
> to PDF please?
>
>
>

> Alternatively, as I can save from Word 2003 to HTM, an easy to use HTM to
>
> PDF converter would be fine.

>
>
>
> --
>
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK

There are so many tool available for converting pdf file to word, some online tools and some need to be downloaded to convert pdf file to word. I personally use a tool named Kernel for PDF to Word which can convert upto 50 files at once moreover it maintains original formatting of pdf file as well. To download the tool visit
http://www.freepdftowordconverter.net/

[wasbit]

"Bob Maria" <bobma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fb065a8f-24cf-45be...@googlegroups.com...

Trial version, 3 pages only, not freeware.

" You can download the free trial version of the PDF to Word converter tool
and work on it to get a fair idea about the distinguished features,
capabilities, as well as performance of the tool. The free trial version
works just like the complete version of the tool except for one difference
and that is the free trial version converts only the first three pages of
the PDF into Word file format. In order to convert the entire PDF file,
purchase the full version of the PDF to Word converter tool. "

Regards
wasbit

[Terry Pinnell]

See also my post yesterday about this non-freeware program.

[Craig]

Terry;

Not to overwhelm but, LibreOffice is a two year old fork of OOo. Its
development has been a lot more active in that time than OOo, with a lot
of emphasis on MSO format interoperability.

IOW, LibO's MSO format support and PDF export functions might very well
be more current than OOo's. Regardless, please keep us posted.
Interesting project.

hth,

--
-Craig

[terry...@gmail.com]

Thanks Craig, I'll install and try it early next week.

I rather liked preparing my first few documents in OO. More so than Word. But so far whatever settings I've used for Export PDF the result has been identical to that with the defaults, namely a succession of A4 size pages.

--
Terry, UK

[Craig]

On 10/10/2012 02:06 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
> Amused to see that OO's UK dictionary doesn't regard 'movie' as valid;-)
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/OO-Spell-Movie.jpg

Silly Terry;

Everyone knows it's 'talkies', not 'movies'.

sheesh!

--
-Craig

[Craig]

On 10/10/2012 02:15 AM, Terry Pinnell wrote:
> I tried changing the page layout in Word as shown, but the resultant PDF
> still shows A4 pages.
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/FormatingWordForPDF-1.jpg
>
> There is a drop-down list of layouts in the PDF Creator dialogs before
> 'printing', but I tried a couple (such as 'A4 Small') and still got A4
> pages in the PDF.
>
> I'm sure it's my misunderstanding or error, but the penny hasn't dropped
> yet.

OK;

I fired up LibO (v3.6 on Linux); set a custom page size and then, using
LibO's export function, saved as a pdf. Firing up the pdf viewer, it
appears to have kept the custom file size.

http://goo.gl/s4IiY

hth,
--
-Craig

[wilson]

If you are interested, I use a completely different approach to convert
stuff to PDF. Cute PDF acts as another printer. It works with any
program that can print stuff. After clicking on the print icon, you pick
Cute as your printer and it converts your output to a PDF file. Simple
and useful in several programs. The pdf outut is good quality.

Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

[Terry Pinnell]

Thanks Craig. Impatience prevailed and I went ahead this morning and
installed LibO (on this Win XP PC). Straying OT, one hurdle was that I've
always steered well clear of anything containing the string 'torrent' (out
of fear and ignorance) so I had to bite that bullet first. I installed the
first 'BitTorrent client' I could find, uTorrent, and that then enabled me
to install LibO. (Getting even further OT, that in turn threw up some as
yet unresolved puzzles, including this message from uTorrent's Setup
Wizard:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/uTorrent-SetupWizard-1.jpg ; I'd welcome
any insights from anyone.)

At first sight, LibO looks almost identical to OO (even down to its
rejection of 'movie'!). But that's after a mere hour's acquaintance, all
focused on this PDF format issue.

I studied your screenshot, thanks, but that seems to use a standard 8"x10"
format (US letter?) which is almost identical to our A4 (210 x 297 mm).
And unlike my example the contents all seem about the same size, with no
redundant white space.

Anyway, although I'm sure I'm making heavy weather of it, I've still been
unable to do what I'm aiming at. I'm seeking minimal white space between a
series of steps in a tutorial like those I've shown, from the default
layout in OO/LibO, A4 (i.e. about 20 cm x 30 cm or 8" x 12").

I can't find the winning combination with 'Export as PDF'. Using Print to
PDF Creator instead, I'm assuming that I need to setup the 'print' page
layout in LibO appropriately to achieve this:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/Libre-SetipForPdF-1.jpg

Or do all of these 3 programs (Word/OO/LibO) require the layout and
content to be carefully set up before trying to 'print to PDF'? Ditto
'export to PDF'?

[Terry Pinnell]

To further illustrate what I'm banging on about, this is what an example
ODT file looks like:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/LibO-Writer-1.jpg

All my attempts so far result in a PDF that looks the same, instead of
like this mock-up:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4019461/LibO-PDF-2.jpg

[terry...@gmail.com]

Thanks, Wilson, that was on the list Vanguard compiled upthread on 7th Oct. I've installed but not yet tried it, as I assume it's similar to PDF Creator. In particular it presumably has no facility for generating the sort of output style I've described?

--
Terry, UK

[Craig]

Hi Terry;

The example uses a custom-sized page (US = 8.5" x 11"). I'm beginning
to understand your... issue. My first inclination is to rethink the
format. Have you considered forgoing PDF as the presentation format and
using, say, html instead?

Best,
--
-Craig

[Terry Pinnell]

Hi Craig,

I've decided that it's probably not worth the effort to get a 'minimal
white space' result. The tutorial reader only has to hit scroll down a bit
to the next step, and if there happens to be two steps visible on the
screen at the same time, so be it.

Here's an example of a finished PDF:
www.magix.info/uk/how-to-use-effect-masks-in-movie-edit-pro.online-training.858837.html?action=getfile&did=2542
Tiny: http://tinyurl.com/9df25nz

So I'm going to forget about pursuing further customising. For now anyway
- I hate unsolved puzzles so I may fret away at it when I have more time.

[terry...@gmail.com]

Many thanks HK, I'll try those in the morning.

--
Terry, UK

[Terry Pinnell]

H-Man <Sp...@bites.fs> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:20:22 -0600, H-Man wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's another one, and pretty much automatic.
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/briss/
>>
>> No install for this one, and you can edit the cropped areas manually as
>> well. I did discover that when you load you should specify all of the pages
>> you'll need to load. For your sample I just entered "1-6".
>
>I should note that I found these little gems by searching for "crop pdf"
>(no quotes) and StartPage offered these items 4 and 6 as the results I
>posted. So, some further investigation may lead to more programs to try.

HK: You're a star, thanks! Both are great tools. PDF Scissors is ultra
simple. Briss with more functionality. In particular it allowed me to
split up Steps 3 and 4, which were originally on one 'page', making for a
more consistent appearance.

Need to study Briss a bit more to understand its Rectangle options. At the
moment can't see the one I would mainly want, namely to keep the widths of
all pages the same, while cropping their lengths.