LFW of Code-Genie ?
omega
LFW: v3.09.12, 2002-09-12
Does anyone have this release, who would be willing to share it?
.....
Development of the later shareware has been dead for quite a while
now. The author has apparently vanished without trace. (And the
former domain, code-genie.com, has been taken over by some sleazy
retard. One who monopolizes old links to code-genie sw download by
sending one a mal/spy/krap pos.)
--
Karen S.
antoine
Dolfysoft (Adolf S.) stopped developping code-genie about a year ago
because it didn't bring enough feedback and income. At that time
code-genie was shareware ; as you mentionned, earlier versions were
freeware but afaik Adolf never wanted his software to be freely
distributable.
--
Antoine, registered code-genie user
Tom McDonald
@news.wanadoo.fr:
Then why did he write:
<quote
Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
Freeware. Freely distributable.
English
Installation not required, simply unpack the files
to a directory, and run cgenie.exe. Uninstaller
included.
Editor for programmers.
Powerful text and binary editor designed for
programmers. Key features: AutoSave, AutoComplete,
Code Fragment Libraries, Syntax-highliting for any
programming languages, Color printing, Text
justification, word-wrap Block and Chart
operations, Macro support in VBScript and JScript
languages, HTML and RTF output, keyword lookup
and much more.
Made by DolfySoft
http://www.code-genie.com
sup...@code-genie.com
end quote>
This is from v3.0, executable dated Feb 14, 2002, so it's somewhat
earlier than the Last Freeware Version mentioned above.
--
Regards,
Tom McD
antoine
> antoine <noe...@noemail.com> wrote in news:4403f477$0$21298$8fcfb975
> @news.wanadoo.fr:
>
>
>>omega wrote:
>>
>>>Code-Genie, by DolfySoft
>>>LFW: v3.09.12, 2002-09-12
>>>
>>>Does anyone have this release, who would be willing to share it?
>>>.....
>>>Development of the later shareware has been dead for quite a while
>>>now. The author has apparently vanished without trace. (And the
>>>former domain, code-genie.com, has been taken over by some sleazy
>>>retard. One who monopolizes old links to code-genie sw download by
>>>sending one a mal/spy/krap pos.)
>>
>>Dolfysoft (Adolf S.) stopped developping code-genie about a year ago
>>because it didn't bring enough feedback and income. At that time
>>code-genie was shareware ; as you mentionned, earlier versions were
>>freeware but afaik Adolf never wanted his software to be freely
>>distributable.
>
> Then why did he write:
>
> <quote
> Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
> Freeware. Freely distributable.
> English
You are right Tom. From what I learned when discussing with Adolf is
that when he switched licence from freeware to shareware, he made 2 things :
1) first modified the distribution policy in the new (shareware)
versions so that the sole distribution point was code-genie.com
2) he contacted most of the download sites and ftp sites where free
versions of code-genie were available to withdraw those versions.
Yet, as you pointed out, the LFW should normally intrinsequally be
legally distributable. Unfortunately, the oldest version I have is
v3.11.12, which is according to omega, not freeware.
Regards,
Antoine
Tom McDonald
news:44048959$0$20174$8fcf...@news.wanadoo.fr:
Charming.
> Yet, as you pointed out, the LFW should normally intrinsequally be
> legally distributable. Unfortunately, the oldest version I have is
> v3.11.12, which is according to omega, not freeware.
>
> Regards,
> Antoine
>
>
Remembering so many broken treaties, my people sometimes call this
practice "Caucasian-giving". A Google for cgenie30.zip turns up several
links, such as
http://adultxf.250free.com/filedown/CGENIE30.HTM
cgenie30.zip 568k
the executable is 836k, and was
Modified Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 8:53:02 AM
which brings us closer to Karen's LFW date.
--
Regards,
Tom McD
David
typed furiously:
What does the documentation originally included with the prigram
state? If it states that the program is distributable then it is.
regardless of subsequent releases or changes to later versions.
--
David
At the bottom of the application where it says
"sign here". I put "Sagittarius"
antoine
> What does the documentation originally included with the prigram
> state? If it states that the program is distributable then it is.
> regardless of subsequent releases or changes to later versions.
Tom found an old freeware version of Code-Genie and indicated that the
help file stated that the program is free and freely distributable.
I guess that, till the application went from freeware to shareware, this
policy was unchanged but I cannot say that for sure. We (and especially
Karen) are still looking for the LFW of Code-Genie.
--
Antoine
omega
> >> Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
> >> Freeware. Freely distributable.
>
>
> http://adultxf.250free.com/filedown/CGENIE30.HTM
> cgenie30.zip 568k
>
> the executable is 836k, and was
> Modified Wednesday, August 28, 2002, 8:53:02 AM
> which brings us closer to Karen's LFW date.
Thank you!!
Last year, I'd done what I thought was very thorough searching. Came
up with a number of freeware code-genie 2x releases, but every time I
worked on hits for version 3, I only got the later shareware, or often,
just false leads back to the abandoned site that has been seized by the
sleazy new inhabitant. So I appreciate your success in this find. (I'd
given up, why I requested here.)
--
Karen S.
omega
> Remembering so many broken treaties, my people sometimes call this
> practice "Caucasian-giving".
LOL 8)
. . . .
<ot> Hey, as partial reparations for the sins of my ancestors, I went out
last year to deposit some contributions to a couple of local (Ameri)Indian
casinos. (My sole motivation, of course) </ot>
--
Karen S.
omega
In the meantime, I downloaded Tom's find, the freeware 3 release with date
August 2002, from http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/cgenie30.ZIP.
I was going to immediately upload a copy to my web space, but am pausing
a minute, after finding my investigation of this package turned out a
weird complication.
[1] File-id.diz
: Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
: Freeware. Freely distributable.
[2] Help/About
Nothing pertinent
[3] Cgenie.chm
: Licence
[...]
: Distribution
:
: Code-Genie V3.0 is FreeWare i.e. you can freely use it for your needs
: without charges of any kind. Code-Genie is an Internet-only program.
: It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
: asking us first. But you can place a link to the program (http://www.code-
: genie.com/cgenie30.zip) on your site, and we encourage you to do this
: if you like it.
So we have here that there are two pertinent (re distribution) docs in the
package, each contradicting the other.
Perhaps some here will have an opinion on that?
As to that which is stated in this second part, I do have some observations,
and opinion. I'm just going to sort of ramble (hope not to sloppy), and hope
that from there, can get followup of other opinions.
My opinions are very centered around this fact: The old domain is no longer
owned by the author, there is no new domain, and the development has ceased.
It appears to me that the story is that the author was soliciting feedback
(btw, in the chm, there is request for suggestions) -- the free beta testing
practice. And: monitoring downloads. During that point in time where he was
planning to gage when to flip his developing freeware over to market. That's
all done and past, now. He no longer needs freeware beta testers, nor to
gage downloads.
At this time the link http://www.code-genie.com/cgenie30.zip is being
abused. The person that now uses the domain sends over a trojan.
I don't mean that it's so bad as a virus, but that it is a trojan: There
are links all over the web to the code-genie text editor, pointing to that
URL, and one receives something else instead. Some sort of krap (Kerio alert
when I launched it), some sort of stupid trick. It would be hard for me to
believe that, given this situation, the author would today want that
interested parties end up with the trojan file that is linked to that URL.
That is, it's my opinion that the text in that CHM does not reflect what
one would reasonably expect to be the current wish of the author.
Also, again speculating on author's interest. At this time, there is not
currently developing shareware of Code-Genie against which a freeware
release would seen to be competing. Presuming this as the primary reason
that authors like to try to remove their earlier freeware releases. So,
his freeware licenses aside even, it's that I don't think there would be
the least lack of servicing him at this point, in making the freeware
easily available.
General public interest. I think that having better downloads of any kind
for Code-Genie, any releases at all, would be a good service for everyone.
All except for that dirty & sneaky entity that has taken over code-genie
domain and is feasting on a current monopoly of links to code-genie.
--
Karen S.
omega
there was only the text of the chm, a question on one main part there:
> : It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
> : asking us first.
Extent of my knowledge is that there is known contact for this author.
In cases where that is known to be true (no way to contact), moving this
part to general question, (even, what if author dies?) ---- what then?
--
Karen S.
Tom McDonald
4ax.com:
You're welcome. A happy opportunity to repay you for much help that
you've given me here in the past.
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Tom McD
Susan Bugher
> In the meantime, I downloaded Tom's find, the freeware 3 release with date
> August 2002, from http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/cgenie30.ZIP.
>
> I was going to immediately upload a copy to my web space, but am pausing
> a minute, after finding my investigation of this package turned out a
> weird complication.
>
> [1] File-id.diz
dated 2001-11-26
> : Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
> : Freeware. Freely distributable.
> [3] Cgenie.chm
dated 2002-08-24 (and cgenie.exe v 3.0 is dated 2002-08-28)
> : Licence
> [...]
> : Distribution
> :
> : Code-Genie V3.0 is FreeWare i.e. you can freely use it for your needs
> : without charges of any kind. Code-Genie is an Internet-only program.
> : It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
> : asking us first. But you can place a link to the program (http://www.code-
> : genie.com/cgenie30.zip) on your site, and we encourage you to do this
> : if you like it.
>
> So we have here that there are two pertinent (re distribution) docs in the
> package, each contradicting the other.
>
> Perhaps some here will have an opinion on that?
IMO the file with the more recent date governs. :( (Looks like he
simply forgot to update the other file.)
> It appears to me that the story is that the author was soliciting feedback
> (btw, in the chm, there is request for suggestions) -- the free beta testing
> practice. And: monitoring downloads. During that point in time where he was
> planning to gage when to flip his developing freeware over to market. That's
> all done and past, now. He no longer needs freeware beta testers, nor to
> gage downloads.
Actually the ware type flip-flopped (Shareware to Freeware to
Shareware). See: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.code-genie.com
BTW - I downloaded another version from here:
http://www.devhood.com/tools/tool_details.aspx?tool_id=405
cgenie30.zip
596 KB (610,693 bytes)
That turned out to be Shareware.
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11
FWIW - the LFW was labeled v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12 on the ACF pages
(based on a post in ACF) - that combination of date/version number
doesn't make sense:
cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
cgenie.exe v 3.09.12(?) dated 2002-09-12
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11
OR
cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11
cgenie.exe v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12(?)
anyway. . .
Thanks to Tom :) we've found a last *available* Freeware version:
Program: Code-Genie (v 3.0)
Company: DolfySoft
Author: Adolf Szabo
Install: (n.i.)
W: LFW
Ware: (Freeware) last available Freeware version (v 3.0) cgenie30.ZIP
568 KB (581,942 bytes)
http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/
Susan
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David
furiously:
>Again pretending that the one file-id.diz doc did not exist, and instead
>there was only the text of the chm, a question on one main part there:
>
>> : It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
>> : asking us first.
>
The .chm would probably be considered to be the most relevant file as
it is more difficult to change. The .diz could have been witten by
anyone.
>Extent of my knowledge is that there is known contact for this author.
>
>In cases where that is known to be true (no way to contact), moving this
>part to general question, (even, what if author dies?) ---- what then?
If the author dies then it would be up to his estate to give
permission. If the author, or his estate, are not reachable then
permission cannot be obtained and distribution would be prohibited in
my considered opinion.
Man-wai Chang
Anyone remembered Norton's on-line help system?
> The .chm would probably be considered to be the most relevant file as
> it is more difficult to change. The .diz could have been witten by
> anyone.
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David
<toylet...@gmail.com> typed furiously:
>
>Anyone remembered Norton's on-line help system?
>
Did Norton ever "help" anyone.
omega
>
> omega <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
>
>> So I appreciate your success in this find. (I'd given up, why
>> I requested here.)
>
> You're welcome. A happy opportunity to repay you for much help that
> you've given me here in the past.
Ahh, you are supremely gracious! I always enjoy your posts, you might
know, and your emphasis on tools that are adroit and fine-tuned.
--
Karen S.
omega
> FWIW - the LFW was labeled v 3.09.12 dated 2002-09-12 on the ACF pages
> (based on a post in ACF) - that combination of date/version number
> doesn't make sense:
>
> cgenie.exe v 3.0 dated 2002-08-28
> cgenie.exe v 3.09.12(?) dated 2002-09-12
> cgenie.exe v 3.03.13 dated 2003-06-11
Story I found is that he'd changed the versioning format mid-stream. Below
is a chunk from the history page (copied from the chm of the v3.03.13):
.....................................................................
| 2002-09-02
| Program update: Lot of smaller bug fixes, enhancements,
| corrections and modifications took place in the program and its
| accompanying files.
| Build-date caused a lot of confusions amongst the users, so from
| now it is built in the version-number. So Version: 3.09.02 means
| that the build date of the exe file is 2nd of September. Version
| number is displayed in the About Box of the Help menu.
| From now on Code-Genie supports the new XP-look. So people who
| use Windows XP can enjoy the new sleek look.
|
| 2002-09-04
| Bug fixed: UnIndent didn't unindent the last line of the
| selection if the last line was the last line of the document.
| Discovered by: Nous
|
| 2002-09-10
| Bug fixes: The new build fixes several smaller bugs in the
| program, and in the tips.txt file.
|
| 2002-09-24
| Licence change: Code-Genie is not freeware any more. This is
| because the possibility of voluntarily donations was not
| incentive enough for you to support the program. So this was a
| neccessary step to keep the product alive.
.....................................................................
> anyway. . .
>
> Thanks to Tom :) we've found a last *available* Freeware version:
>
> Program: Code-Genie (v 3.0)
> Company: DolfySoft
> Author: Adolf Szabo
> Install: (n.i.)
> W: LFW
> Ware: (Freeware) last available Freeware version (v 3.0) cgenie30.ZIP
> 568 KB (581,942 bytes)
> http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/
This is good news; I think the world is a better place now. :) Hope it
will soon work out that there can be fewer hits to the sleaze site that's
hosting the fake cgenie*.zip files.
. . . .
Incidentally, encouraged by Tom's success, I went out once again to scrape
the web as thoroughly as I could. I did /sort of/ find a download link for
the LFW (cgenie.exe v3.09.12, 2002-09-12), but not quite. I mean that it's
basically the LFW -- but that it is not in the intended distribution form.
http://empire.iwireweb.com/forums/index.php?download=14
| [...] I've customized this copy specifically for Euphoria programmers,
| and packaged it as a self extracting executable.
The config files are not as originally issued. They are altered to someone's
personal prefs. Also this is inconveniently packed up as a WinRAR SFX. I
see this only as a usable download for someone (like me) who might want
to converge their config files with the unaltered components of the package.
But clearly it does not make a good link for the LFW; best to stay with the
unaltered package.
--
Karen S.
omega
> omega wrote:
>
> > In the meantime, I downloaded Tom's find, the freeware 3 release with date
> > August 2002, from http://adultxf.250free.com/descarge/cgenie30.ZIP.
> >
> > I was going to immediately upload a copy to my web space, but am pausing
> > a minute, after finding my investigation of this package turned out a
> > weird complication.
> >
> > [1] File-id.diz
> dated 2001-11-26
>
> > : Code-Genie V3.0 for Windows 98/ME/NT/2k/XP
> > : Freeware. Freely distributable.
>
> > [3] Cgenie.chm
> dated 2002-08-24 (and cgenie.exe v 3.0 is dated 2002-08-28)
>
> > : Licence
> > [...]
> > : Distribution
> > :
> > : Code-Genie V3.0 is FreeWare i.e. you can freely use it for your needs
> > : without charges of any kind. Code-Genie is an Internet-only program.
> > : It means that you cannot distribute the program in any form without
> > : asking us first. But you can place a link to the program (http://www.code-
> > : genie.com/cgenie30.zip) on your site, and we encourage you to do this
> > : if you like it.
Incidentally, the 2002-09-12 LFW has the exact same texts in each file,
with just the minute difference that that Help/About says "Donation-ware."
> IMO the file with the more recent date governs. :( (Looks like he
> simply forgot to update the other file.)
Too bad. I suppose that's why REM, for example, had not stepped up to host
this. The other day, I searched on the author's name (Adolf Szabo), in case
he had manifested visibly somewhere in Google's ken, so that I might find
an email contact address, but no go.
> > It appears to me that the story is that the author was soliciting feedback
> > (btw, in the chm, there is request for suggestions) -- the free beta testing
> > practice. And: monitoring downloads. During that point in time where he was
> > planning to gage when to flip his developing freeware over to market.
>
> Actually the ware type flip-flopped (Shareware to Freeware to
> Shareware). See: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.code-genie.com
Ah, I see. During the futile searches last year, I'd downloaded a few of
the 2x releases, and just assumed that they were within freeware stage.
But now actually looking at them, I discover the ones that I have of those,
they're shareware. Conclude: Code-Genie in freeware form is a very rare
find.
--
Karen S.
omega
> Dolfysoft (Adolf S.) stopped developping code-genie about a year ago
> because it didn't bring enough feedback and income. At that time
> code-genie was shareware ;
It's such an extremely crowded market, text editors, hard enough to
compete even as freeware. To succeed as shareware, I believe one has
to do far more that make an outstanding product; that heavy marketing +
longevity are crucial for that goal.
> as you mentionned, earlier versions were
> freeware but afaik Adolf never wanted his software to be freely
> distributable.
Antoine, any chance you might have a working email address for this author?
If you do, but you're reluctant to publicize it, then maybe you'll hint,
and I could go to next step (imploring you by private email or something)?
--
Karen S.
Susan Bugher
> Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>:
> Story I found is that he'd changed the versioning format mid-stream. Below
> is a chunk from the history page (copied from the chm of the v3.03.13):
> | 2002-09-24
> | Licence change: Code-Genie is not freeware any more.
Thanks for the date for the change to Shareware - one less mystery. :)
> Incidentally, encouraged by Tom's success, I went out once again to scrape
> the web as thoroughly as I could. I did /sort of/ find a download link for
> the LFW (cgenie.exe v3.09.12, 2002-09-12), but not quite. I mean that it's
> basically the LFW -- but that it is not in the intended distribution form.
>
> http://empire.iwireweb.com/forums/index.php?download=14
> | [...] I've customized this copy specifically for Euphoria programmers,
> | and packaged it as a self extracting executable.
>
> The config files are not as originally issued. They are altered to someone's
> personal prefs. Also this is inconveniently packed up as a WinRAR SFX. I
> see this only as a usable download for someone (like me) who might want
> to converge their config files with the unaltered components of the package.
>
> But clearly it does not make a good link for the LFW; best to stay with the
> unaltered package.
Yup, I agree.
omega
>
> Thanks to the kind person who sent me an insulting message.
> Even a post form can now be spammed...
Yikes, I feel guilty. :( But I promise, it wasn't me done such deed!
(It wasn't even my cat; he doesn't write insulting messages. Instead
just the sekrit cat chatter stuff. You know, the "rrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt
tttty77777777777777777...." types of messages.)
--
Karen S.