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 More options May 28 2012, 9:19 am
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From: Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com>
Date: 28 May 2012 13:19:26 GMT
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 9:19 am
Subject: Time to Dump Firefox
"Depending on which statistics you look at, about 2.5% of all Firefox users
are still working with version 3.6 of the browser.  That’s millions of
users who are currently working with a version of the web browser that is
no longer maintained or supported with security updates.

Mozilla recently ended support for the browser and tried to get Firefox 3.6
users to update through the browser’s automatic update feature. The
organization furthermore published blog posts and information on its core
websites to inform users about the the unsupported version, and recommended
there as well to upgrade to the latest version of Firefox."

Add-ons keeping you on Firefox 3.6?

http://www.ghacks.net/2012/05/28/add-ons-keeping-you-on-firefox-3-6-try-
these-alternatives/

http://goo.gl/Q0EcJ

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From: Man-wai Chang <toylet.toy...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:23:12 +0800
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 9:23 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox

The HTML standard is evolving. New browser functions are emerging. You
have to adapt, or stay with old versions.

On 28/05/12 9:19 PM, Bear wrote:

> "Depending on which statistics you look at, about 2.5% of all Firefox users
> are still working with version 3.6 of the browser.  That’s millions of
> users who are currently working with a version of the web browser that is
> no longer maintained or supported with security updates.

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 More options May 28 2012, 9:35 am
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:35:53 +0200
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 9:35 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted 28 May 2012 13:19:26 GMT to alt.comp.freeware,
Bear posted this..  

> "Depending on which statistics you look at, about 2.5% of all Firefox users
> are still working with version 3.6 of the browser.  That?s millions of
> users who are currently working with a version of the web browser that is
> no longer maintained or supported with security updates.

Many of 3.6 users were interprise users,
where prolonged support of FF 3.6 was maintained by Mozilla
due requirements of enterprise support policies.

It is superseded by FF 10 ESR, and by future ESR releases in about
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 More options May 28 2012, 10:51 am
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From: Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanni...@yaSMPAhoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:51:01 -0700
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 10:51 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On 05/28/2012 06:23 AM, Man-wai Chang wrote:

> The HTML standard is evolving. New browser functions are emerging. You
> have to adapt, or stay with old versions.

I remember when I finally had to quit using Netscape 3.04 after several
months of pages not loading and/or displaying improperly.

It took me awhile to get used to the different interface of IE, but in
time I managed.

I'm finally back with Mozilla using FF, now that there is an add-on that
substistutes for the "inline-autocomplete" feature which has kept me
glued to IE for lo these many years.   There's also a really good
community around Mozilla, as well as a devotion to customization.

Jon


 
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From: Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com>
Date: 28 May 2012 15:20:01 GMT
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanni...@yaSMPAhoo.com> wrote in news:jq03cj$esn$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

> I'm finally back with Mozilla using FF, now that there is an add-on that
> substistutes for the "inline-autocomplete" feature which has kept me
> glued to IE for lo these many years.   There's also a really good
> community around Mozilla, as well as a devotion to customization.

> Jon

Chrome's in-line autocomplete is much better than both IE & FF.

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 More options May 28 2012, 12:26 pm
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From: par4thecourse
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:26:10 -0500
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com> wrote in
news:XnsA061691F4B415bearbottoms1gmail.AC@130.225.254.104:

It's the Chrome menu I can't get used to.  I'm tempted to install it again
because of all the excellent Google add-ons (and of course the resulting
loss in privacy).  I think I read that you can default to a File/Edit/View
etc menu in Chrome.  True?

Firefox 12 is great for some things like download management and some cool
add-ons, but it gets bogged down with multiple pages opened and video
caching.  I seem to have better luck with Opera.  I find Internet Explorer
to be problematic for one reason - not enough adblockers for it.


 
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 More options May 28 2012, 1:36 pm
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From: Bear <REMOVEbear.botto...@gmai.com>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:36:11 +0100
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
par4thecourse wrote in news:T96dnShnsp-_Ol7SnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com:

Google Chrome has other features that web browsers have and doesn't have
like speed, easeof use, HTML5 support and better phishing and malware
blocker and most of all the speed, oh did I mention that?

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 More options May 28 2012, 2:05 pm
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From: Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com>
Date: 28 May 2012 18:05:05 GMT
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
par4thecourse wrote in
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> It's the Chrome menu I can't get used to.  I'm tempted to install it
> again because of all the excellent Google add-ons (and of course the
> resulting loss in privacy).  I think I read that you can default to a
> File/Edit/View etc menu in Chrome.  True?

No. Thereis not and never has been a toolbar for File/Edit/View. The
options those menus contain are under the wrench tool. Some don't like
this non-standard approach, but it's only one menu versus three.

> Firefox 12 is great for some things like download management and some
> cool add-ons, but it gets bogged down with multiple pages opened and
> video caching.  I seem to have better luck with Opera.  I find
> Internet Explorer to be problematic for one reason - not enough
> adblockers for it.

Chrome doesn't bog down unless you run out of system resources. There
are no memory leaks as met with FireFox.

There are no issues with extensions when you update and Chrome
extensions have matured enough to rival and in many case exceed what's
available for FF.

There is a reason Chrome has been the browser to surpass IE.

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 More options May 28 2012, 2:27 pm
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From: Jaxoff <jax...@gmai.invalid>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:27:58 +0100
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On 28 May 2012 18:05:05 GMT, Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com> wrote:

*You love Chrome more than me*

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 More options May 28 2012, 5:11 pm
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 23:11:46 +0200 (CEST)
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
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I'm staying with 3.6 because 12 doesn't support certain Add-Ons I use
and have come to depend on.

 
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 More options May 28 2012, 5:41 pm
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From: Duddits <Dudd...@Dreamcatcher.com>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:41:17 -0400
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 5:41 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox

SRWare Iron is Chrome without Google's spyware.
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

regards

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 More options May 28 2012, 5:42 pm
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 21:42:51 GMT
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 5:42 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
Bear <REMOVEbear.botto...@gmai.com> wrote in
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> Google Chrome has other features that web browsers have and doesn't
> have like speed, easeof use, HTML5 support and better phishing and
> malware blocker and most of all the speed, oh did I mention that?

Chrome recently had over 8 bugs which allowed a couple of hackers to make
some money off google. IE: Chrome could be tricked into running code it
shouldn't be, outside the sandbox will full rights as chrome has. IE: the
code can make new files, delete files, whatever the author wants. An
uptodate chrome with a fully patched win7 machine.

Google hasn't fixed it completely yet either. they aren't diclosing over 4
of the bugs as they work to fix it. In the meantime, if it's taken
advantage of, it'll allow code to execute outside of the sandbox with
whatever rights the browser does.

You just keep preaching this browser. Google is taking days to fix it and
hoping security by obsecurity (IE: not telling anybody) will keep users of
it's browser safe until they fix it.

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 More options May 28 2012, 6:51 pm
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 00:51:06 +0200
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted Mon, 28 May 2012 23:11:46 +0200 (CEST) to
alt.comp.freeware,
Nomen Nescio posted this..  

> > Many of 3.6 users were interprise users,
> > where prolonged support of FF 3.6 was maintained by Mozilla
> > due requirements of enterprise support policies.

> > It is superseded by FF 10 ESR, and by future ESR releases in about
> > yearly intervals.

> > --
> > Poutnik

> I'm staying with 3.6 because 12 doesn't support certain Add-Ons I use
> and have come to depend on.

Yes, this is another reason.
I always stayed at older release,
until all my major addons were compatible with new one.

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 More options May 28 2012, 7:34 pm
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Date: 28 May 2012 23:34:17 GMT
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid> wrote in
news:MPG.2a2e1fc878973f425cd@news.eternal-september.org:

I just don't get sticking with a browser like that and it also still has
huge memory leak issues.

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 More options May 28 2012, 7:44 pm
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 01:44:21 +0200
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted 28 May 2012 23:34:17 GMT to alt.comp.freeware,
Bear posted this..  

> >> I'm staying with 3.6 because 12 doesn't support certain Add-Ons I use
> >> and have come to depend on.

> > Yes, this is another reason.
> > I always stayed at older release,
> > until all my major addons were compatible with new one.

> I just don't get sticking with a browser like that and it also still has
> huge memory leak issues.

Each has its own issues.

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 More options May 28 2012, 7:48 pm
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 01:48:39 +0200
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted 28 May 2012 23:34:17 GMT to alt.comp.freeware,
Bear posted this..  

Personally I take Chrome as one of worst "malware",
due its aggresive bundling policy.

One never knows, when he gets it on his PC,
if he is not careful enough.

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 More options May 28 2012, 7:57 pm
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 01:57:47 +0200
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted 28 May 2012 23:34:17 GMT to alt.comp.freeware,
Bear posted this..  

> I just don't get sticking with a browser like that and it also still has
> huge memory leak issues.

There would be much less number of software of any kind,
if both its authors and its users did not think it is the best.

Lets reserve for others right and freedom
to have different opinion than ours.....

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 More options May 28 2012, 10:01 pm
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From: Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanni...@yaSMPAhoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:01:24 -0700
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On 05/28/2012 09:26 AM, par4thecourse wrote:

> I find Internet Explorer
> to be problematic for one reason - not enough adblockers for it.

It's like you're reading my mind.   Both IE7 and IE8 were just fine for
me, but without ABP they're not contenders.

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 More options May 28 2012, 10:02 pm
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Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:02:16 -0700
Local: Mon, May 28 2012 10:02 pm
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On 05/28/2012 08:20 AM, Bear wrote:

> Chrome's in-line autocomplete is much better than both IE&  FF.

This could be true, but I'm not going to use a google browser.

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 More options May 29 2012, 1:59 am
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:59:54 +0200
Local: Tues, May 29 2012 1:59 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted Tue, 29 May 2012 01:48:39 +0200 to alt.comp.freeware,
Poutnik posted this..  

> > I just don't get sticking with a browser like that and it also
> > still has huge memory leak issues.

> Personally I take Chrome as one of worst "malware",
> due its aggresive bundling policy.

> One never knows, when he gets it on his PC,
> if he is not careful enough.

Another thing is ( at least was ) it did not ask
for folder to install into at all and even worse,
installed itself into Appdata folder tree.

I have also seen Google autoupdate services too intrusive.

I cannot help myself, I do not like Chrome.
I am afraid Chrom is pushed mainly because being from Google,
not because being the best.

I have read interesting article,
that people are flapping their hands for Google,
that is doing many same things as Microsoft years ago,
and people did not like MS for that.

I do not pretend I like Google company these days.
I liked it in very early period when they started.

But it is my personal choice. Pushing my opinion to others
as if it was the only right one would not be good thing.

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 More options May 29 2012, 5:30 am
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From: Stephen Wolstenholme <st...@npsl1.com>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:30:34 +0100
Local: Tues, May 29 2012 5:30 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:02:16 -0700, Jon Danniken

<jonSPAMdanni...@yaSMPAhoo.com> wrote:
>On 05/28/2012 08:20 AM, Bear wrote:

>> Chrome's in-line autocomplete is much better than both IE&  FF.

>This could be true, but I'm not going to use a google browser.

Why?

I've been using Chrome as long as it has been available (even while in
development) and it has been no problem.

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 More options May 29 2012, 6:24 am
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From: Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com>
Date: 29 May 2012 10:24:56 GMT
Local: Tues, May 29 2012 6:24 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid> wrote in news:MPG.2a2e8429844198035d2
@news.eternal-september.org:

> But it is my personal choice. Pushing my opinion to others
> as if it was the only right one would not be good thing.

It is the best browser currently for many factual reasons, not opinions.
Synchronization is just one of them...were it IE or Firefox that contained
them, I would be 'pushing' them.

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 More options May 29 2012, 6:51 am
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:51:50 +0200
Local: Tues, May 29 2012 6:51 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted Tue, 29 May 2012 10:30:34 +0100 to alt.comp.freeware,
Stephen Wolstenholme posted this..  

Personal preference is not driven by if others have/have not problems.

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 More options May 29 2012, 6:56 am
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From: Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:56:01 +0200
Local: Tues, May 29 2012 6:56 am
Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
In article posted 29 May 2012 10:24:56 GMT to alt.comp.freeware,
Bear posted this..  

> Poutnik <pout...@privacy.invalid> wrote in news:MPG.2a2e8429844198035d2
> @news.eternal-september.org:

> > But it is my personal choice. Pushing my opinion to others
> > as if it was the only right one would not be good thing.

> It is the best browser currently for many factual reasons, not opinions.

As they are evaluated by persons, they ARE opinions.
So does every trademark "BEST (R)" is based on opinion,
at least on opinion of authors of evaluation rule set.

> Synchronization is just one of them...were it IE or Firefox that contained
> them, I would be 'pushing' them.

Hm, I did know I am not able to synchronize FF,
I have to stop doing that immediately.

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 More options May 29 2012, 7:10 am
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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:10:11 +0100
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Subject: Re: Time to Dump Firefox
On 29 May 2012 10:24:56 GMT, Bear <bearbotto...@gmai.com> wrote:

>It is the best browser currently for many factual reasons, not opinions.
>Synchronization is just one of them..

Oh! wow. Like I need that. I hardly ever use bookmarks. I have this
thing built in called memory, and when that's lacking a search engine is
a click away. It's quicker, and more intuitive to the search process, or
at least it is for me. There are no surprises with bookmarks.

Not everyone thinks like you bully boy. Telling us how to think will get
you nowhere unless you back it up with some empirical evidence as to why
changing our view is advantageous to us.

To put it bluntly *** SHUT UPPA YOUR FACE  ***

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Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker


 
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