folder synchronizing

[tomkelsey]

I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
the following reviewed ones are free:
unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync

regards,
Tom

[FTR]

This is quite a useful review. Thanks

Frank

[Chrissy Cruiser]

Nice work.
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[Susan Bugher]

tomkelsey wrote:

Nice job. :) May I suggest you add another row in the table to show
which ones are free. ISTM that would be helpful.

re: Allway Sync http://www.allwaysync.com/
aka: Good Sync http://www.goodsync.com/

You might want to take a look at this ACF thread: Subject: [Update]
Allway Sync v2.08 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:04 +1100

From: "Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org>
<q>
Looks like a front-end on top of Unison:
<http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/>, which is GPLed and free
refardless of usage.
</q>

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[FTR]

Susan Bugher wrote:
> tomkelsey wrote:
>
>> I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
>> synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
>> www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
>> the following reviewed ones are free:
>> unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync
>
>
> Nice job. :) May I suggest you add another row in the table to show
> which ones are free. ISTM that would be helpful.
>
> re: Allway Sync http://www.allwaysync.com/
> aka: Good Sync http://www.goodsync.com/
>
> You might want to take a look at this ACF thread: Subject: [Update]
> Allway Sync v2.08 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:04 +1100
>
> From: "Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org>
> <q>
> Looks like a front-end on top of Unison:
> <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/>, which is GPLed and free
> refardless of usage.
> </q>
>
> Susan

Goodsync looks quite nice. I dont really see the difference between
folder synchronising and backing up. Is this a question of size ?
Synchronising software will sychnronise a few folders whereas backup
software can synchronise entire HDs ? I use SyncBack for backing up my
HD on my external HD. Couldn't I use the backup program to get what the
folder synchronisers do ?

I think to well do the job I'd prefer to limit the number of programs I
have to handle.

Frank

[tomkelsey]

Thankyou for your kind words.
I am thinking of also doing a review of duplicate file finders, and I
am glad to see people are interested in this sort of review.

Tom

[tomkelsey]

Susan Bugher wrote:
> tomkelsey wrote:
>
> > I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
> > synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
> > www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
> > the following reviewed ones are free:
> > unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync
>
> Nice job. :) May I suggest you add another row in the table to show
> which ones are free. ISTM that would be helpful.

thanks :). I will add a row with the prices on.

>
> re: Allway Sync http://www.allwaysync.com/
> aka: Good Sync http://www.goodsync.com/
>
> You might want to take a look at this ACF thread: Subject: [Update]
> Allway Sync v2.08 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:04 +1100
>
> From: "Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org>
> <q>
> Looks like a front-end on top of Unison:
I am sure this is not the case, if only because alway sync uses MSSQL
and unison uses its own file format.
> <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/>, which is GPLed and free
> refardless of usage.
> </q>
>
> Susan
> --

cheers,

Tom

[FTR]

Excellent idea. I use the duplicate file finder from funduc (but is this
payware ???) .

I think it would be a great help if you could list which of the numerous
indicators can best distinguish two files, as this is the crux for the
layman like me.

Frank

[tomkelsey]

The main difference is synchronising programs can move files in both
directions, but a backup program will always move files from one HD to
the other.
e.g. if you have a desktop and a laptop, and you edit files on both of
them, a synchronising program saves you the trouble of remembering
which is the latest version of any file.
backup programs also have other features, like scheduling, and
compression.

> I think to well do the job I'd prefer to limit the number of programs I
> have to handle.
>
> Frank

cheers,
Tom

[Gary R. Schmidt]

tomkelsey wrote:
[SNIP]

>>You might want to take a look at this ACF thread: Subject: [Update]
>>Allway Sync v2.08 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:04 +1100
>>
>>From: "Gary R. Schmidt" <grsc...@acm.org>
>><q>
>>Looks like a front-end on top of Unison:
>
> I am sure this is not the case, if only because alway sync uses MSSQL
> and unison uses its own file format.

Hmm, it seems to have changed slightly since I looked at it, presumably
there have been some changes.

If the "free" version uses MSSQL, I wonder how that are paying the
license fees?

And, for that matter, the underlying database is the most trivial part
of such a tool, you could store the information in a flat-file and still
be fine until you got to many millions of files.

Changing databases is a SMOP - a Simple Matter Of Programming, it merely
takes time, sometimes very little time, sometimes years.

The tough bit in synchronisation is working out which files are changed,
_without_ doing a full read of each file, which can take forever.
That's what the blokes who wrote Unison wrote their paper(s) on, because
that's the interesting bit.

And, of course, there's the Harmony Project
<http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/harmony/index.html>, which is
where they all went.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

P.S. I still think alwayssync is built on Unison code.

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[Cha Bar]

tomkelsey schrieb:

Interesting work!
What about adding syncback v3.2 (freeware)?
http://www.2brightsparks.com/freeware/freeware-hub.html

Regards
Cha

[FTR]

Syncback is a backup program, as far as I understand. At least I use it
this way.

Frank

[MLC]

Fine!
Another good synchronizer program, but only for Windows XP, is Microsoft
SyncToy:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=49818CF1-2287-40EA-8A6F-57BD8695F23D&displaylang=en

--
Maria Luisa C - 29/10/2005 11.28.36
Sometimes the best engineers come in bodies that can't talk.
Nolan Bushnell
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[Cha Bar]

FTR schrieb:

So do I, but there also some synchronizing options (advanced settings)

Cha

[Curt]

Great job! The only thing I would recommend adding is a line for whether
the app has UNICODE support. This is very important for those of us who
need to back up Japanese and Chinese filenames. :-) SyncBack and
AllwaySync both have UNICODE support. FileSync does not.

Also, you may want to review MS's SyncToy. It's pretty nice and probably
friendlier for less technical people.

[John Fitzsimons]

On 28 Oct 2005 16:11:26 -0700, "tomkelsey" <thomas...@techie.com>
wrote:

< snip >

>I am thinking of also doing a review of duplicate file finders, and I
>am glad to see people are interested in this sort of review.

If you want to find the best duplicate file detector for large numbers
of duplicates then try Dupeless. I have found nothing that comes close
in regards to the visual display/functionality.

Regards, John.

[FTR]

>
On the ZDNet site a user - not me - says:
>
> Dupeless Not Free!
>
> Actually Dupeless itself is free, but only if you subscribe to PC magazine either digitally or deadtree version.
>
> Not really a freebee by my way of thinking.....
>
> Posted by: Username_Again Posted on: 04/26/04

Frank

[Susan Bugher]

tomkelsey wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>tomkelsey wrote:

>>>I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
>>>synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
>>>www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
>>>the following reviewed ones are free:
>>>unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync

>>Nice job. :) May I suggest you add another row in the table to show
>>which ones are free. ISTM that would be helpful.

> thanks :). I will add a row with the prices on.

Many thanks. :)

[tomkelsey]

Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
>tomkelsey wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>>>You might want to take a look at this ACF thread: Subject: [Update]
>>>Allway Sync v2.08 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:44:04 +1100
>

>>>From: "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschm...@acm.org>
>>><q>
>>>Looks like a front-end on top of Unison:
>
>> I am sure this is not the case, if only because alway sync uses MSSQL
>> and unison uses its own file format.
>
>Hmm, it seems to have changed slightly since I looked at it, presumably
>there have been some changes.
>
>If the "free" version uses MSSQL, I wonder how that are paying the
>license fees?
>
>And, for that matter, the underlying database is the most trivial part
>of such a tool, you could store the information in a flat-file and still
>be fine until you got to many millions of files.
>
>Changing databases is a SMOP - a Simple Matter Of Programming, it merely
>takes time, sometimes very little time, sometimes years.
>
>The tough bit in synchronisation is working out which files are changed,
>_without_ doing a full read of each file, which can take forever.
>That's what the blokes who wrote Unison wrote their paper(s) on, because
>that's the interesting bit.
>
>And, of course, there's the Harmony Project
><http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/harmony/index.html>, which is
>where they all went.

This is a shame because it means unison is no longer being developed.
One reason I recommend jfilesync instead.

>
>Cheers,
>Gary B-)
>
>P.S. I still think alwayssync is built on Unison code.

This is drifting a bit OT, so we will have to agree to disagree. But
alway sync does use the same algorithm as unison and jfilesync, whether
it is plagiarised, or, as the developer claims, independently
"developed by a team of prominent mathematicians"

cheers,
Tom

[tomkelsey]

MLC wrote:

> venerdì 28 ottobre 2005 tomkelsey ha scritto:
>
> > I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
> > synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
> > www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
> > the following reviewed ones are free:
> > unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync
>
> Fine!
> Another good synchronizer program, but only for Windows XP, is Microsoft
> SyncToy:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=49818CF1-2287-40EA-8A6F-57BD8695F23D&displaylang=en
>

Quando ho tempo, aggiungerò questo alla mia lista
(translation: I'll add it when I can.)

> --
> Maria Luisa C - 29/10/2005 11.28.36
> Sometimes the best engineers come in bodies that can't talk.

whatever turns you on
> Nolan Bushnell
> -

[tomkelsey]

Curt wrote:
> tomkelsey wrote:
> > I know previously on this group people have asked about folder
> > synchronizer programs. I have written a review of the best ones (at
> > www.tomkelsey.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/projects/synchronizer_review.html).
> > the following reviewed ones are free:
> > unison, Xfiles, directorysync, and jfilesync
> >
> > regards,
> > Tom
> >
>
> Great job! The only thing I would recommend adding is a line for whether
> the app has UNICODE support. This is very important for those of us who
> need to back up Japanese and Chinese filenames. :-) SyncBack and

I hadn't thought of that

> AllwaySync both have UNICODE support. FileSync does not.
>
> Also, you may want to review MS's SyncToy. It's pretty nice and probably
> friendlier for less technical people.

ok

Tom

[Box134]

In addition to what others have said about synchronizers Vs backup: If a
file is deleted on one side, it will be deleted on the other side also with
synchronization

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