What free software are you still missing?
Guyon Morée
preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still using
'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware alternative?
kind regards,
Guyon Morée
Henry The Mole
You wrote on Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:17:27 +0100:
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still
> using 'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware
> alternative?
A valid freeware alternative for this:
http://www.cdrlabel.com/
(never found nothing similar... excellent and easy to use)
for this:
http://www.genie-soft.com/products/oeb/default.html
(there's Outlook Express Freebie Backup, but its interface is terrible!!!)
and something similar to GoBack by Symantec, that allows me to revert my
drives (in case of viruses, crashes, software conflicts, ecc.) and also
recover accidentally lost files... really useful!
Kindly regards.
--
Henry The Mole.
_________________________________
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remove EHILABEPPE to e-mail me
John Corliss
How about a freeware truetype font editor? 80)>
--
Regards from John Corliss
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware,
nagware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses
or warez please.
Bjorn Simonsen
Nice request. You should have a look at:
<http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/freewarewishlist.htm>
Personally I can think of a few DOS commandline utilities I'd like to
see "cloned" with full LFN support, but I guess that was not what you
had in mind? :)
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
kritikul
right to iso or juliet
the stupid nero than refuses to burn the cd
would be handy to have a tool to test name convention, and manual or auto
correct the names
"Guyon Morée" <gu...@looze.net> wrote in message
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Bjorn Simonsen
>when i want to burn a cd i sometimes get an error that the names are not
>right to iso or juliet
>the stupid nero than refuses to burn the cd
>would be handy to have a tool to test name convention, and manual or auto
>correct the names
<http://www.dcsoft.com/products/longff/longff.htm>
<quote
Long Filename Finder is the easiest way to find and shorten
filenames that are too long to be backed up to CD-R (or CD-RW).
Many CD-R mastering programs limit the length of the filenames
that can be stored on the CD-R. In some cases, this length is as
short as 62 characters. Your files can easily have names that
exceed the limit, especially for multimedia files such as MP3
that contain artist, album, title, track number information.
Before backing up to CD-R, you must rename all your files so that
none of the filenames exceed the limit.
Never before has this been so easy.
</quote>
ALL THIS!!@hotmail.com Pivert
http://www.interq.or.jp/www1/anzawa/tte410.exe
Look also here for other "TrueType" utilities :
http://jeff.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/ttsoftware.html ( not all freeware though, but
usefull list)
"John Corliss" <jcor...@secrewspam.to#> a écrit dans le message de
news:105gaud...@corp.supernews.com...
Steve H
wrote:
This should be an easy one.
I use a shareware program called Advanced Call Centre - and the ONLY
feature I need from it is that it will monitor the modem for incoming
calls and display the caller ID, and will then pass the number as a
variable to a command line option...which I use to trigger ( through a
tortuous combination of batch files and small .com apps ) a database.
That's what I need - a simple app that does nothing but pass the
caller ID to the command line, preferably with a degree of optional
formatting built in.
No phonebook, no diary, no notepads, no addressbook, no
sounds...nothing but the raw meat.
Regards,
--
Steve ( out in the sticks )
Email: anyoldname(*AT*)gmx(*dot*)co(*dot*)uk
Onno Tasler
> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing.
There are a lot of programs I would like to have...
Here are some of them:
1) A combination of WordPad and TreePad. While having basic text editing
skills (and can use free available spell checker), it also has
additional windows to store information. Great for scientific work to
save notes that are used in the text and need to be checked occasionally
- but also for authors who can check their narrators background (or
other things) I would wish for a main window to write in, and some
additional Windows that do not need to be connected (like in WinAMP or
GIMP); while the main text is in the main window, I could open
additional windows for the other infos I need at that moment. These
other windows can be set as "always on top" if necessary.
The program cannot do any layout - so, not positioning pictures exactly
or something like that.
2) A program to convert any text format into any other text format.
3) A program that let me include/exclude plugins from the Acrobat Reader,
so that I can choose for specific functions that are necessary for a PDF
without having to load the whole bloated stuff.
bye,
Onno
Roger Johansson
> <http://www.dcsoft.com/products/longff/longff.htm>
> Long Filename Finder is the easiest way to find and shorten
> filenames that are too long to be backed up to CD-R (or CD-RW).
> Before backing up to CD-R, you must rename all your files so that
> none of the filenames exceed the limit.
> Never before has this been so easy.
Reading the web page about this program it sounds like you have to manually
rename every one of the files it finds.
That could take a long time if there are many such files.
What is needed is a program which renames such files automatically.
--
Roger J. (No Emails)
God has ruled the world for thousands of years.
Can he be proud of the history of mankind and the present situation in the
world?
I wouldn't. You need to have a lot of "energy" in your mind to feel good
about that.
MightyKitten
1) MS Access! (I'currently trying Alpha Five as a possible cheaper
alternative)
Waiting for Kexi to finnish and to port to win32
2) Dreamweaver
(NVu and others are nice, but still have a long way to go)
I mostly need it for a WYSIWYG CSS Font apply thigny (Dreamweaver reads
the
internalor external css file, and but s it in a box. then you can
selected a
piece of text and apply a font syle by selecting it from the list. That
is what I
realy need, infact it is about the only thing I realy want in a WYSIWYG
HTML Editor
3) I support John Corliss cry for a TTF editor
(The link given by onno Tasler gave me a corrupt exe file)
Software with (IMHO) a poor replacement
1) A real Small, quick and easy to use PDF Reader
2) PC Anywhere Alternative
I alway have lots of arguments with VNC and it's offspring
I never realy got it to work the way it should
3) A real win32 based solution for photoshop (not The gimp) would be nice,
though If
I use all freeware freeware editors around, I do get to 99%
functionality, but I
would apriciate to have it all in 1 package. I don;t like the gimp for
personal
reasons and I will never ever use it for myself.
Freeware that would be the least likely to happen:
1) An userfriendly OS that could replace Windows and still can use the apps
;-)
Ik know about lindows, but I'm sad to have to admit it is the closest
thing to it.
A linux live cd might also be an answer for a compleet destop enviroment,
but adding and modifieing applications will be very difficult. I'm thinking
of people are the king of the neigborhood because they can actualy read ther
email without calling their kids/nephew to the resque.
Wow, even if this will not get any results, it atleast releaved some stress
;-)
MightyKitten (Who is of th Hammburg tomorrow, going Cebit 2004)
MightyKitten
<SNIP>
> A fast picture viewer like ACDSee Classic, except without all the
> browser and thumbnail features. Windows Explorer makes these
> redundant. Just fast viewing is all that's needed.
> Thanks, and good luck.
<Snip>
<OT>
I've seen ACDSee 3.01 being offered on PC Magazine CD's hete in the
Netherlands.
You might check out your local book store if you are in the neigborhood, who
knows?
> Bob
>
> Remove "kins" from address to reply.
Ben Cooper
John Corliss wrote:
> Guyon Morée wrote:
>> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
>> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>>
>> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you
>> still using 'commercial'-software because there is no decent
>> freeware alternative?
>
> How about a freeware truetype font editor? 80)>
Ha! That's *exactly* what I was going to say! :)
--
Ben Cooper
histo...@hotmail.com
Bjorn Simonsen
>> <http://www.dcsoft.com/products/longff/longff.htm>
>
>> Long Filename Finder is the easiest way to find and shorten
>> filenames that are too long to be backed up to CD-R (or CD-RW).
>
>> Before backing up to CD-R, you must rename all your files so that
>> none of the filenames exceed the limit.
>> Never before has this been so easy.
>
>Reading the web page about this program it sounds like you have to manually
>rename every one of the files it finds.
>That could take a long time if there are many such files.
>What is needed is a program which renames such files automatically
You are right. Did not look close enough and had not tried it.
Tried it now. Bummer, have to manually edit each name.
Maybe one of the regular freeware renamers can do this? The renamer in
Total Commander (shareware file manager) can - of course ;) (via the
"range" feature). This can also be done via some batch file writing,
say with help of regular DIR command output and some third party
utilities like SED ( to output only lines longer than...) etc....
Glenn
This one should be easy.
I have been targeted lately for spam on "nail fungus". I added the 2 words
to my filter but they are smarter than that. The last ones were variations
of "na il fung us" and each with different "froms". The body is a picture
so a word in it can't be targeted.
What I want is a program that reads the subject and will remove all spaces,
dots etc. Then "nailfungus" or "Viagra" etc, could be targeted and would
bounce. That would be easy to write. What I need is a tie-in to OE.
Challenge?
Glenn
Roger Johansson
>>What is needed is a program which renames such files automatically
> You are right. Did not look close enough and had not tried it.
> Tried it now. Bummer, have to manually edit each name.
>
> Maybe one of the regular freeware renamers can do this? The renamer in
> Total Commander (shareware file manager) can - of course ;) (via the
> "range" feature). This can also be done via some batch file writing,
> say with help of regular DIR command output and some third party
> utilities like SED ( to output only lines longer than...) etc....
Earlier today I tried a renamer program called Siren, which was announced
here a few days before. It didn't solve the problem either, it would need a
specially created filter, if at all possible.
I tried the renamer in TC, it needs a specially written filter.
I do not know enough to write such a filter expression, and I doubt that it
can recursively go through all subdirectories.
So the problems with automatically shortening of file names is still
unsolved. Still looking for an easy solution.
suspect@yahoo.com Chief Suspect
A small project Address Book which will permit the user to
enter about six lines of standard data about each entry. No more.
Name, Street, City, State, Zip, Telephone, Email, Remarks.
Then the program will permit printing out the results in book format
of several size choices: 8x11 sheets, 5x7 booklet, and MOST
IMPORTANT ... 2.5 x 3.5 inches for carrying in shirt pocket.
I realize that such booklets could be manufacturered with MSWord
with a lot of planning and manipulation. This project needs a
program dedicated ONLY for this purpose. I would buy it.
There exists one program called The Book for Windows, but
it is not very easy to learn; too many excessive variables.
=========================================
"Guyon Morée" <gu...@looze.net> wrote in message
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suspect@yahoo.com Chief Suspect
"Bob Adkins" <boba...@charter.net> wrote
> I use Firegraphic for now, and it's actually a pretty good graphics
viewer.
>
====
Just curious, Bob ... have you checked how many entries in the registry for
Firegraphic?
dadiOH
> Reading the web page about this program it sounds like you have to
> manually rename every one of the files it finds.
> That could take a long time if there are many such files.
> What is needed is a program which renames such files automatically.
Or a burning program - such as CDExtreme - which allows file names up to 212
characters. And if you exceed the alloted number, it tells you. Pretty
hard to exceed, though...
Info and d/l links in my dandies below.
--
dadiOH
_____________________________
dadiOH's dandies v3.0...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
____________________________
suspect@yahoo.com Chief Suspect
"Glenn" <pil...@planet.com> wrote
>
> I have been targeted lately for spam on "nail fungus". I added the 2
words
> to my filter but they are smarter than that. The last ones were
variations
> of "na il fung us" and each with different "froms". The body is a picture
> so a word in it can't be targeted.
>
> What I want is a program that reads the subject and will remove all
spaces,
> dots etc. Then "nailfungus" or "Viagra" etc, could be targeted and would
> bounce. That would be easy to write. What I need is a tie-in to OE.
What I think would be better than that is ... a program to work with the
most
popular email clients, especially OEX, and would permit creating message
filters that would work on strings found *anywhere* in the headers. For
instance, I have found a lot of spam coming from places that might read:
Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40])
Currently, you can deal only with From, To, Subj, Body ... but, with ability
to
home in on some data from one of the specific IP addresses in the chain ...
Chief Suspect
Bjorn Simonsen
>
>I tried the renamer in TC, it needs a specially written filter.
>I do not know enough to write such a filter expression, and I doubt that it
>can recursively go through all subdirectories.
Don't doubt, just do it <g>. Just to show you it can done very simply:
search for *.* from where you want to start,recursively so, then feed
the results to list box, then select all and choose Muli Rename...you
take it from there :).
But to keep this on topic, I haven't had the time to look at the
various renamers for said feature/option, but if I where to look I
guess The Rename would be among the first on my list.
Roger Johansson
>> What is needed is a program which renames such files automatically.
>
> Or a burning program - such as CDExtreme - which allows file names up to 212
> characters. And if you exceed the alloted number, it tells you. Pretty
> hard to exceed, though...
>
> Info and d/l links in my dandies below.
Reading it now, nice helpfile, thanks.
A comment to Bob Adkins: Many burner programs have automatic renaming of
too long file names, so it doesn't have to be such a bad surprise at burn
time, it just takes extra time when burning.
But it would be better to fix these problems on the hard disk once and for
all, so these problems can be avoided.
I don't want to have any files with really long file names on my hard disk.
I understand that some people want to cram in a lot of information into the
file name, like title of the song, performer, recording date, etc..
They need to use a burner program like CDExtreme, which can handle such
extremely long file names.
monkeyman
<onno....@spamfence.net> wrote:
>Guyon Morée scribebat:
>> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
>> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing.
>
>There are a lot of programs I would like to have...
>Here are some of them:
>
><snip>
>
>3) A program that let me include/exclude plugins from the Acrobat Reader,
>so that I can choose for specific functions that are necessary for a PDF
>without having to load the whole bloated stuff.
>
>bye,
>
>Onno
This one already exists:
Adobe Reader SpeedUp
http://www.tnk-bootblock.co.uk/prods/misc/index.php
Roger Johansson
> Don't doubt, just do it <g>. Just to show you it can done very simply:
> search for *.* from where you want to start,recursively so, then feed
> the results to list box, then select all and choose Muli Rename...you
> take it from there :).
But there is where I lose it :-)
How to tell multirename to shorten filenames to say 60 characters?
But thanks for the idea to start with a search and feed to listbox, that is
a good way to select all files recursively in all subdirectories.
I didn't think about that before.
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>> Guyon Morée wrote:
>>
>>> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
>>> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>>> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still
>>> using 'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware
>>> alternative?
>>
>> How about a freeware truetype font editor? 80)>
>>
>> --
>> Regards from John Corliss
>> No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware,
>> nagware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses
>> or warez please.
>
> http://www.interq.or.jp/www1/anzawa/tte410.exe
After translating the page, I discovered the following:
"Price * 3,000 Yen (including tax)"
> Look also here for other "TrueType" utilities:
> http://jeff.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/ttsoftware.html (not all freeware though, but
> usefull list)
Thanks, but I've had that site bookmarked for years. Even been in
contact with Luc about this. There's a freeware Truetype editor
(PFAEdit) listed there, but it requires that Cygwin be installed, and
that's a real pain in the a**. Other than that, the page has no other
links to a freeware truetype font editor for Windows.
Bjorn Simonsen
<43st2aph8xo9$.1w2vy9rnuhfly$.d...@40tude.net>:
>But there is where I lose it :-)
>How to tell multirename to shorten filenames to say 60 characters?
use the range feature when you select a rename mask. Fx [N1-62] will
only use character 1 through 62 from the existing file base names. Any
names shorter than that will simply be renamed back to their original
name, any names longer will be truncated at 62. See?
Alexei and Cory Panshin
says...
> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still using
> 'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware alternative?
Household-related software seems to be the biggest gap, maybe because
most freeware is produced by college-age geek guys.
I've never found a free recipe program that wasn't crude and limited.
I've even paid for a couple of shareware programs, and I'm still not
completely satisfied. What I'm looking for is something that (1) has
tree-style organization, so I don't have to scroll through hundreds of
recipes in a single huge database and (2) isn't bloated with a million
side functions (recipe planners, shopping lists, nutritional analyses.)
I've also never found a comprehensive free program for maintaining lists
of auto repairs -- one that allows for multiple cars, information on
warranties, reminders of when you're due for an oil change, etc.
A household maintenance organizer would also be great -- something that
could include a maintenance history of your house, a list of local
repairmen, plumbers, etc. with notes on who did what work (and how you
liked it and whether they overcharged), and a reminder/budgeting function
to show when major jobs or inspections will come due and how much you
should expect to pay for them.
Cory Panshin
MightyKitten
button to check? I call that hyper-active! ;-) Auto check at the start of
the burning process and give a suggested name (and stting the default -
enter- button on [OK] )
MightyKitten
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:14:19 +0100, Roger Johansson <no-e...@home.se>
> wrote:
>
>> A comment to Bob Adkins: Many burner programs have automatic
>> renaming of too long file names, so it doesn't have to be such a bad
>> surprise at burn
>
> Yea, I like my file names short and in a certain format. Sometimes I
> forget to check, and start burning. Automatic renaming does not
> always create file names I am happy with.
>
> It would be nice if all burning programs had a button for "Check File
> Name Compatibility" that you press before burning. I guess that
> really shows how lazy I am! :)
DanN
<jcor...@secrewspam.to#> wrote...
| How about a freeware truetype font editor?
This is also at the top of my wish list.
(don't live at a com or net - address listed is altered)
Andreas Kaestner
> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing.
o Hard disk activity indicator "LED" in the tray notification area
(should be easy to do based on some sources from sysinternals.com)
o A program which asks for confirmation when any program
tries to access the registry (filters for read, write, keys, ...)
o A FAST registry search tool
(features as in REGDET, speed like RegShot)
o A program which logs all downloads (date, time, website),
and issues a warning when a file already has been downloaded
o A favourites (bookmarks)link checker which also
manages/maintains favicons (like FavOrg)
o A program which does the following upon a right-click
on an .exe- or .dll.file:
- extract all icons from the file
- ask to select one of the icons
- copy the icon to a default folder
- set the current folder's sys-attribute
- create a desktop.ini file which references the selected icon
RESULT: individual icons for folders
o A program which does the following:
- ask for a drive
- remove all r-, s-, h-attributes from all files on that drive
- invoke DEFRAG
- restore all attributes
o A Program which displays all used, partially used, and free
clusters on a harddrive, and which also shows all files in
a specific cluster
This would be heaven for Win9x :))
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Bjorn Simonsen
<c3a26a$26ee1h$1...@ID-60242.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>o Hard disk activity indicator "LED" in the tray notification area
> (should be easy to do based on some sources from sysinternals.com)
Will this do:
<http://www.oo-software.com/en/products/oodl/index.html>
(registerware, that is: freeware but they require you to fill in their
registration to download)
Le Loup
> Software without current replacement:
> 1) MS Access! (I'currently trying Alpha Five as a possible cheaper
> alternative)
I want it too !
> 2) Dreamweaver
> (NVu and others are nice, but still have a long way to go)
Oh yes pleeeeeease !
> 3) I support John Corliss cry for a TTF editor
> (The link given by onno Tasler gave me a corrupt exe file)
My wish too !
> 1) A real Small, quick and easy to use PDF Reader
Well, let's say : a good PDF creator !
And :
- a good and real replacement for MS Publisher or -better- Quark Xpress
!
(I tried some freewares, but the result was poor)
- a SWF creator
- a good SoundForge-like
That's all for the moment...
Just ship me all that stuff on a cd when it's done.
Thanks ;-)
--
Cordialement,
Hervé LOTH
LE LOUP THEATRE
2, rue Flatters 80000 AMIENS (F)
http://lelouptheatre.free.fr
nouveau spectacle : http://lelouptheatre.free.fr/TERMOR
Deb
> I've never found a free recipe program that wasn't crude and limited.
> I've even paid for a couple of shareware programs, and I'm still not
> completely satisfied. What I'm looking for is something that (1) has
> tree-style organization, so I don't have to scroll through hundreds of
> recipes in a single huge database and (2) isn't bloated with a million
> side functions (recipe planners, shopping lists, nutritional analyses.)
Have you looked at Accuchef (www.accuchef.com)? There's now an Express
version which is freeware. It does contain a recipe planner & shopping
list, but you can easily ignore them :-). It's good software, with good
support, & easy to use. And you can have as many different "cookbooks" as
you want, so no need to have all your recipes in one database.
--
Deb
Roger Johansson
>>How to tell multirename to shorten filenames to say 60 characters?
>
> use the range feature when you select a rename mask. Fx [N1-62] will
> only use character 1 through 62 from the existing file base names. Any
> names shorter than that will simply be renamed back to their original
> name, any names longer will be truncated at 62. See?
Yes, now I got it, thanks.
Onno Tasler
> 3) I support John Corliss cry for a TTF editor
> (The link given by onno Tasler gave me a corrupt exe file)
Ahhh... That link wasn't from me. I do not know any TTF editors.
Thus, it would be strange if you had found a working TTF editor on any
link I gave. ;) (Perhaps it was the other Onno, here are two of us)
bye,
Onno
Andreas Kaestner
"Display of read and write activity on all visible partitions and all connected network drives for Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT"
I'm at Win98 - thx anyway.
Gerry
> I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still
> using 'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware
> alternative?
Something like Quicken or MS Money.
The existing freewares are very limited, and not as easy to use.
And none have auto-reconcile.
Whacky Tabaccy
>>
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:41:18 +0100, "MightyKitten"
> <Mighty...@mightyKitten.zap> wrote:
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>><SNIP>
>>> A fast picture viewer like ACDSee Classic, except without all the
>>> browser and thumbnail features. Windows Explorer makes these
>>> redundant. Just fast viewing is all that's needed.
>>> Thanks, and good luck.
>><Snip>
>><OT>
>>I've seen ACDSee 3.01 being offered on PC Magazine CD's hete in the
>>Netherlands.
>>You might check out your local book store if you are in the
>>neigborhood, who knows?
>
> Thanks MK, but 3.xxx and above are bloated. I use Firegraphic for now,
> and it's actually a pretty good graphics viewer.
>
> Bob
>
> Remove "kins" from address to reply.
Why do you class ACDSEe 3.x as bloated?? Thats reserved for 5.x and 6.x/
2.43 might be the fastest.
Onno
$4d4e...@news.nl.uu.net:
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing.
A decent stand alone spreadsheet program. I don't want to install an entire
office suite just for the spreadsheet.
--
Onno
William F. Adams
save!) form information in a .pdf, as well as allowing one to do annotations.
One could start that by porting xpdf.
Alternately, if you're interested in Objective C, take a look at the recently
updated Windows install for the base parts of GNUstep, install that and see if
you could get the GNUstep pdf viewing utility working.
I'd dearly love to see a replacement for Creature House Expression,
http://www.creaturehouse.com --- Microsoft bought them out and despite a
promise to have downloads / purchasing working again in November of _2003_, no
joy.
Or, a replacement for Adobe's (formerly Right Brain's) TouchType.app for
NeXTstep. Take a look at http://www.rightbrain.com which has a brief mention of
it, as well as a link to my page on it:
http://www.members.aol.com/willadams/gnustep/apps/type/touchtype.html
William
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Jan
@SVPxs4all.nl says...
(not identities), has calendaring and scheduling and minimizes to the
system tray. Or is there one already?
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John Fitzsimons
wrote:
>I am a developer waiting to get my hands on a nice project to do and
>preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still using
>'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware alternative?
Three programs.
(1) A freeware version of ;
http://www.funduc.com/app_inv.htm
(2) A similar one would be able to search a directory and tell which
.exe files were extracted and which were not. Perhaps being able to
do a "compressed" and an "extracted" list ?
(3) Another would be able to search a list of compressed .exe and .zip
files and list the application, name, version etc. of each.
AFAIK neither of the last two exist in freeware OR as commercialware.
Regards, John.
Bjorn Simonsen
[about: file-renamers that can shorten very long filenames,
if needed prior to CD-burning for example]
>But to keep this on topic, I haven't had the time to look at the
>various renamers for said feature/option, but if I where to look I
>guess The Rename would be among the first on my list.
Just had a quick look and can confirm that "The Rename"
(a very flexible file renamer IMHO)
<http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004FILEUTILITIES.htm#FileRenamer>
can do this.
Another candidate with such capabilities is "1-4a Rename"
<http://www.1-4a.com/rename/> (not as flexible as The Rename it seems,
but perhaps - and maybe for this reason - easier to use for some).
See: <http://www.1-4a.com/rename/rename-examples.htm>
just below middle of page - under the heading;
"Some file names are longer than 64 chars. I cannot write them on
my CD-Rs"
I am sure there are other renamers that can do the same (never felt
the need to look closer at the various the alternatives as I am quite
happy with the flexible renamer offered by my copy of Total Commander
(shareware)).
John Fitzsimons
<andreas...@web.de> wrote:
< snip >
>o A program which logs all downloads (date, time, website),
> and issues a warning when a file already has been downloaded
< snip >
Don't most download managers do that ? FlashGet (adware/spyware ?)
certainly does.
Regards, John.
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< snip >
>What I want is a program that reads the subject and will remove all spaces,
>dots etc. Then "nailfungus" or "Viagra" etc, could be targeted and would
>bounce. That would be easy to write. What I need is a tie-in to OE.
>Challenge?
PopFile or K9 would easily find those examples and set them as spam if
that is what you wanted :
http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
Anne
wrote:
> Earlier today I tried a renamer program called Siren, which was
> announced here a few days before. It didn't solve the problem
> either, it would need a specially created filter, if at all
> possible.
>
I'd say this can be done with Siren. Let's say you want to shorten file
names to 8 characters long. Type
%b(1,8).%e
in Siren's expression field. Change the number (8) to your liking. "%e"
means the extension.
--
Anne
All probabilities are really 50 per cent. Either a thing will happen or it won't.
Roger Johansson
> I'd say this can be done with Siren. Let's say you want to shorten file
> names to 8 characters long. Type
> %b(1,8).%e
> in Siren's expression field. Change the number (8) to your liking. "%e"
> means the extension.
I found another solution using Total Commander, but thanks anyway.
I suspected it could be done in Siren too, but didn't have time to learn
its expressions.
> --
> Anne
>
> All probabilities are really 50 per cent. Either a thing will happen or it won't.
There is a third alternative, something else could happen :-)
Andreas Kaestner
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:34:24 +0100, "Andreas Kaestner"
> <andreas...@web.de> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>> o A program which logs all downloads (date, time, website),
>> and issues a warning when a file already has been downloaded
>
> < snip >
>
> Don't most download managers do that ? FlashGet (adware/spyware ?)
> certainly does.
Sorry for being unclear. Should read "... issues a warning when a file
already has been downloaded but resides anywhere else than the
download folder to prevent multiple downloads of the same file"
Bjorn Simonsen
>I'd say this can be done with Siren.
Thank you Anne, good to know. To summarize so far, File Renamers we
know can handle shortening (truncation) of very long filenames:
1-4a Rename <http://www.1-4a.com/rename/>
Siren <http://www.scarabee-software.net/>
The Rename <http://www.herve-thouzard.com/therename.phtml>
<http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004FILEUTILITIES.htm#FileRenamer>
And a finder that can help you find long file names,
but where you must do the renaming file by file your self:
Long Filename Finder
<http://www.dcsoft.com/products/longff/longff.htm>
> Let's say you want to shorten file names to 8 characters long.
> Type %b(1,8).%e in Siren's expression field. Change the number
> (8) to tyour liking. "%e" means the extension.
The syntax in The Rename is slightly different, but follows the same
logic, so if 8 is the number then:
<PRLeft,8>.<curext>
Some other nice features I have noticed about The Rename program,
regarding very long file names: It has configurable options (under
View, Options menu) like:
under "General":
Find Long Names
[x] Check Path + Filename (default)
[ ] Filename Only
[ ] Path Only
[ ] Prefix Only
under "Monitor Long Names"
[ ] Monitor Long Names
Maximum Lenth of Name [255] (default)
When a filename is to long:
[ ] Ask confirmation before renaming it
[X] Don't rename it (default)
[ ] Ask me the name
[ ] Truncate the name with given length
Length [___]
Bjorn Simonsen
>> All probabilities are really 50 per cent. Either a thing will happen or it won't.
>
>There is a third alternative, something else could happen :-)
Nope, if "something else" implies "a thing" will not happen, then said
thing will not happen. If not, it happens. :)
Glenn
"John Fitzsimons" <beys...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:7u3k509kf9fvkfc6u...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:43:05 -0600, "Glenn" <pil...@planet.com> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >What I want is a program that reads the subject and will remove all
spaces,
> >dots etc. Then "nailfungus" or "Viagra" etc, could be targeted and
would
> >bounce. That would be easy to write. What I need is a tie-in to OE.
> >Challenge?
>
> PopFile or K9 would easily find those examples and set them as spam if
> that is what you wanted :
>
> http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
>
> http://keir.net/k9.html
>
> Regards, John.
Thanks but as near as I can tell from the write up, it is restrictive to
what you put into it.
The illustration I used of nail fungus comes as n.ail fungus, na il fung
us, and at least 30 more variations that I have seen. The last one even
spelled the last word wrong but recognizable. I suppose nothing could
combat that short of a bomb at the source. The body of the ad is a picture
so a word there can't be targeted either. (I did find a short line in the
body not in the picture to act on that I added to my filters that may have
worked because I haven't gotten one for a whole day.)
A program that would sort and remove *all* punctuation would let you target
particular phrases in filters like K9, etc. My isp has an add-to filter we
can extend with personal wants but these spellings have to be reduced down
to a common denominator to target. The sort I refer to would do that.
Sorry for getting so wordy but at least I think my wants are plain as well
as should be simple to program.
Glenn
William F. Adams
>>> All probabilities are really 50 per cent. Either a thing will happen or it
won't.
>>There is a third alternative, something else could happen :-)
and Bjorn Simonsen replied:
>Nope, if "something else" implies "a thing" will not happen, then said
>thing will not happen. If not, it happens. :)
I'm with Roger. Let's use the classical example of the coin flip onto a flat
surface:
- heads ~50%
- tails ~50%
(but see recent research on a slight bias towards the coin favouring the side
which was up)
A remote possibility is that the coin will land on its edge, or it might miss
the surface, go down an air vent &c.
There's even the astronomically remote possibility it might strick something in
its trajectory (say a micro meteorite) which destroys it.
Bjorn Simonsen
<20040319101843...@mb-m29.aol.com>:
> - heads ~50%
> - tails ~50%
Either a coin will flip heads, or it won't.
Either a coin will flip tals, or it won't.
Glenn
"William F. Adams" <will...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040319101843...@mb-m29.aol.com...
> Roger Johansson qoted and replied:
> >>> All probabilities are really 50 per cent. Either a thing will happen
or it
> won't.
> >>There is a third alternative, something else could happen :-)
>
> and Bjorn Simonsen replied:
> >Nope, if "something else" implies "a thing" will not happen, then said
> >thing will not happen. If not, it happens. :)
>
> I'm with Roger. Let's use the classical example of the coin flip onto a
flat
> surface:
>
> - heads ~50%
> - tails ~50%
> (but see recent research on a slight bias towards the coin favouring the
side
> which was up)
>
> A remote possibility is that the coin will land on its edge, or it might
miss
> the surface, go down an air vent &c.
>
> There's even the astronomically remote possibility it might strick
something in
> its trajectory (say a micro meteorite) which destroys it.
Come on now, we all know micro meteorites just bury them into the ground
without destroying them. It's happened for eons, that's why we dig up so
much silver.
Glenn
Roger Johansson
> Either a coin will flip heads, or it won't.
> Either a coin will flip tals, or it won't.
You see it in such strict logical or scientific terms.
When people say such things as if it meant something to them it often has
more subtile, social or psychological hidden meanings.
For example a girl is waiting for a boy to show up and save her like a
knight on a white horse. She thinks about him very much and wonders, will
he come or not.
In such a situation it can be useful to realize that there are other
alternatives than to just keep on waiting, as the tradition tells her to
do.
She could go and rescue him instead, for example.
His horse may have broken a leg so he cannot come.
She could realize that she is trapped in a dualistic traditional way of
thinking which is a problem for both her and the boy she is thinking about,
life is too short to waste on stupid old traditions, etc..
Roger Johansson
> There's even the astronomically remote possibility it might strick something in
> its trajectory (say a micro meteorite) which destroys it.
There is an even remoter possibility that reality as we know it doesn't
really exist, it is just an illusion we like to fool our children and young
girls with.
When love comes reality disappears.
And that is only a trick also. But a very impressive one.
What we really are, and what reality is really like, well, very few people
come that far. It is not easy to unlearn all the stupid ways of thinking
our culture teaches us and really become like children again.
Bjorn Simonsen
>I'd say this can be done with Siren. Let's say you want to shorten file
>names to 8 characters long. Type in Siren's expression field.
> Change the number (8) to your liking. "%e" means the extension.
Author of Siren sent me an e-mail after having read our initial
messages here, about how to shorten filenames with Siren. He sent his
message on the 17, before your reply - but I did not check my mail
before now.
Partial quote from his message, using desired max 64 character
length as an example:
<quote>
Select all files and then:
Two ways:
1) specify an expression to limit the size:
%b(1,60).*
(i suppose that extension is 3)
2) In option/modification specify 64
in the "Maximum filename length" field
and enter the expression: %f
in the expression combo
<quote>
Afaik his expression under 1) above means that he is counting the
dot+extension as 4 character, thus using 60 in the expression to get a
total name length of 64. That makes sense. Same applies no matter what
renamer we use I guess, must keep extension in mind when using
expressions/filters like the above.
Al Smith
> preferably release it as free. (given it is useful ofcourse)
>
> So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing. Where are you still using
> 'commercial'-software because there is no decent freeware alternative?
>
>
> Guyon Morée
Two things --
A font designer for TrueType fonts. I've been using CorelDraw 9,
which allows you to design TT Fonts, but it's awkard to use. As
far as I know there is no freeware font maker for Windows. There's
a DOS one around somewhere, but I haven't tried it.
A decent disk mirroring program that will back up entire drives,
or partitions, in compressed form and allow browsing the
compressed archive, in the same way that Drive Image does. I
bought Drive Image retail because there was nothing to take its
place in freeware software.
John Fitzsimons
>"John Fitzsimons" <beys...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:7u3k509kf9fvkfc6u...@4ax.com...
< snip >
>> PopFile or K9 would easily find those examples and set them as spam if
>> that is what you wanted :
>> http://popfile.sourceforge.net/
>Thanks but as near as I can tell from the write up, it is restrictive to
>what you put into it.
No idea what you are talking about. You don't "put in" anything. You
do NOT need to setup whitelisting OR blacklisting. I suggest you
don't. You just identify spam as spam until the program does that by
itself.
>The illustration I used of nail fungus comes as n.ail fungus, na il fung
>us, and at least 30 more variations that I have seen.
Bayesian filtering doesn't worry about variations. If all your spam
has n and a and i and l and f and.... etc. it "weights" things
accordingly. Rules based systems however will be pretty much useless
in that situation.
>The last one even
>spelled the last word wrong but recognizable. I suppose nothing could
>combat that short of a bomb at the source. The body of the ad is a picture
>so a word there can't be targeted either. (I did find a short line in the
>body not in the picture to act on that I added to my filters that may have
>worked because I haven't gotten one for a whole day.)
Info in headers and the body can create word frequencies that Bayesian
filtering can act on.
>A program that would sort and remove *all* punctuation would let you target
>particular phrases in filters like K9, etc. My isp has an add-to filter we
>can extend with personal wants but these spellings have to be reduced down
>to a common denominator to target. The sort I refer to would do that.
Programs such as the above often incorporate stripping of html, and
other, code "fillers".
William F. Adams
> Either a coin will flip heads, or it won't.
> Either a coin will flip tals, or it won't.
Well, that'll reduce it to a binary, either or, but it's a limited tree which
doesn't encompass all possibilities and isn't all that useful.
In particular, what if the flip is not accomplished for some reason?
Terry Russell
news:9m1m501pisepk0e19...@4ax.com...
If a name cannot fit on screen, it is too long.
long filenames , we can dream it for you .. wholesale
How does it handle files with paths >= 260 ?
while a path isn't supposed to be > 260 and filenames can be 256
it is easy to make such names and paths
accessing these files can then be a problem
Explorer/dos can behave eratically with names near or beyond these limits.
If you access by shortnames the longname aliases are not reliably
maintained.
there are many such actions and depends on the OS
the file access routines behave unreliably for these files, i.e. they may
not
work, or attempt to perform operations on wrong files.
eg. WARNING, results are not my responsibility
may be hazardous, depending on version and OS
create a new file in the root e.g. C:\
rename it to
"123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
6789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
2345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567
89012345678901234567890"
now drag-"copy here" to C:
or move or copy the file to the new empty directory named
'WellFragMyDisk"
Now, lets talk about directory tree depths > 64 ;-)
REM
> "Glenn" <pil...@planet.com> wrote:
>The illustration I used of nail fungus comes as n.ail fungus, na il fung
>us, and at least 30 more variations that I have seen. The last one even
>spelled the last word wrong but recognizable. I suppose nothing could
>combat that short of a bomb at the source. The body of the ad is a picture
>so a word there can't be targeted either. (I did find a short line in the
>body not in the picture to act on that I added to my filters that may have
>worked because I haven't gotten one for a whole day.)
>A program that would sort and remove *all* punctuation would let you target
>particular phrases in filters like K9, etc. My isp has an add-to filter we
>can extend with personal wants but these spellings have to be reduced down
>to a common denominator to target. The sort I refer to would do that.
>Sorry for getting so wordy but at least I think my wants are plain as well
>as should be simple to program.
It's tough trying to handle all ways a subject can be spoofed. Words
can be misspelled without punctionation characters. Partial words can
be used. The filters created would be numerous and would get many
valid messages.
Obviously the people who send the stuff look to see how filters work
and try a new attack. Eventually they will win in that your filters
filter pretty much everything, including valid subjects.
It is much easier to use "spam" filters first, and message filters as
the second line of defense. The filters for Thunderbird are pretty
amazing. Occasionally I get a valid email that was placed in the trash
can, but it's always from someone not in my address book that entered
a subject similar to previous spams. I normally get no spam in my
inbox after the filter runs. When I do it is a new way to spoof and
after clicking it as junk Tbird learns the new approach and gets any
future ones.
The message filters work great when looking for extensions. Set your
attachments inline so that the filename of the attachment is in the
message body. Then there is no way to "hide" and you simply filter:
.pif - delete
.scr - delete
.doc - move to suspect folder:
.exe
.zip
etc.
I move the zip, exe and doc extensions to a suspect folder with one
filter so I can do a quick scan of the subject lines to make sure that
someone hasn't sent me a valid attachment. It takes 3-4 seconds tops,
then I manually delete all.
The other extensions that are used for worm infections I delete
straight away. These are .pif, .scr, .bat and any other extension I
KNOW no one would send to me in an attachment with good intentions.
Note that spam filtering runs first in Tbird, so many .pif messages
are simply tcanned. I can run the message filter on the trash folder
just to see how many were caught with the spam filter before the
message filter was applied, just out of curiosity. No matter. I delete
all spam manually also after giving it a quick scan for valid
messages.
The main thing is that these two filtering methods remove almost
everything that I know I have no interest in. And when whitelisted, by
adding to the addressbook,I know my friends messages will always be
left in the inbox with no other distractions.
This works really well for me. It's an endpoint solution though. The
ISP does what it can before the stuff gets to me.
REM
> Bjorn Simonsen <bsus...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>William F. Adams wrote in
>> - heads ~50%
>> - tails ~50%
>Either a coin will flip heads, or it won't.
>Either a coin will flip tals, or it won't.
I think it might be safer to state that in a gravity field (like
Earth's) a flipped coin will land on heads; or it will not.
The same is true for tails. The same is true for edge, although it is
very unlikely. It might land in sand or something. Limiting it to one
possibility; or not, keeps the statement true in almost any situation.
A flip in zero gravity where "up" is unclear and the coin never really
lands presses the validity of even the safer statement.
Badger
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:34:24 +0100, "Andreas Kaestner"
> <andreas...@web.de> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
> >o A program which logs all downloads (date, time, website),
> > and issues a warning when a file already has been downloaded
>
> < snip >
>
> Don't most download managers do that ? FlashGet (adware/spyware ?)
> certainly does.
>
> Regards, John.
>
also run Adaware and Spybot regularly and they have never found any activity
from Flashget.
Badger
Bjorn Simonsen
<405bdc7e$0$20658$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
>If a name cannot fit on screen, it is too long.
>long filenames , we can dream it for you .. wholesale
>
>How does it handle files with paths >= 260 ?
I don't know, not tested.
You try (and let us know what you find if you do :)
> while a path isn't supposed to be > 260 and filenames
> can be 256
Not quite right, although I know many will consider names >260
characters long "illegal" as such. I will explain below.
> it is easy to make such names and paths accessing these files
> can then be a problem
Yes I know. I am familiar with the problem or the feature, which ever
way you look at it. First noticed this on my *Windows 2000* system
back in 2001.
First a disclaimer: I am not a programmer (if I was then I am sure my
reply would have been short and pregnant:) - and it follows my
knowledge of the internal workings of Windows is limited. Hopefully
some of our programming fellow members here will correct me if I am
wrong or have simply misunderstood some of the basics.
Also, my notes here are based on notes from my findings (on my Win2k
system) from back in 2001. I have not looked into the issue (or
tested) since, in part since the "very-long-file-name problem" is not
a problem for me anymore. And in part this is so because of my batch
solution to find any such very-LFN (to rename by hand) before they
might become a problem. About my VLFN (Very Long File Names) batch
finder solution, see further below.
OK, how is >256 character filenames possible when under Windows
MAX_PATH=256 seems to have been the rule? Well if I am not mistaken it
is because the Win32 API is a house divided, divided into ANSI
functions and (some) equivalent Unicode functions. For the ANSI part
MAX_PATH=256 still applies. But for the Unicode part the max possible
path length increases to nearly 32000 characters or so. Some
limitations seem to be inherited though: Each path segment, such as a
directory name and individual file name, can not exceed 256 characters
on its own.
Long story short: I first became aware of the problem in 2001 when two
of my AV scanners failed to find and scan certain files (saved web
pages/images). One of the scanners would simply ignore (and not
report) the files, the other would choke on them. Reason - names
(path+filename=truenames) exceed the standard max_path value - and
well beyond that. After several e-mails back and forth (and some group
discussions elsewhere) one of the AV companies acknowledged the
problem - and told me, basically, their program (at the time!) did not
yet support the relevant Unicode functions...but that it would be
implemented soon. (the other company simply said they would look into
it - but I never heard from them again).
So reason you may experience that some programs/utilities/ - even some
of Windows own, may fail to handle/display/delete etc files with names
that exceed the MAX_PATH= 255 limitation, is probably they where never
designed to do that in the first place. They probably only use (call)
the standard ANSI functions, doesn't know the Unicode ones.
Some apps, like Explorer in my tests (back in 2001) would crash if I
attempted to delete or rename a >261 characters long filename directly
(Event viewer:
"The shell stopped unexpectedly and Explorer.exe was restarted.")
and would only work if the name was 260 characters or less.
(That Explorer could fail with "path to long" errors was known from
Win95 and NT, when expanding a server directory structure beyond
MAX_PATH, search for MS KB Q177665 if curios)
On the other hand I found a simple workaround that worked in all or
most cases: In Explorer (or other FM) rename the preceding path,
meaning - shorten one or several directory names above the file in
question - until the final truename is 260 characters or less.
How did I get those very long filenames in the first place?
Saving web pages with IE on my Win2k system! I found that while IE
only allowed max 260 character in the name field when saving,
it also ignored the preceding path while so doing.
But if you take preceding path + individual filename of (up to) 260
characters long, it means the truename (path+filename) can get very
long!
(as a side note: When you save web pages with IE and do not input a
name your self, IE use what ever it finds between the <Title> </Title>
tags in the page- and using up to 260 characters of that for the
filename to be saved. Some sites seems to want to cram all sort of
info into their page titles - for you to see when browsing the page,
or for search engines to find. So names of saved pages can get very
long by them selves that way. And the truename even longer of course
if you save those pages deep into an existing directory structure
and/or you in IE use save as "complete" - where IE saves images etc in
subdirectories. btw: That IE could cause such problems seems to have
been a known problem for some time, search for MS KB Q226446 if
curios).
As for testing - to know if such long names are present so you can
deal with them, here is a copy of my <VLFN.cmd> (short for Very Long
File Names), a batch script I created when I became aware of the
problem in 2001.
What it does, in short: List only those directories/files whose name
exceed 255 characters.
Copy of this below, for anyone to copy and use as they please, but at
their own risk of course.:) (I am only using two drive letters in this
example for brevity - insert as many as you have/like).
VLFN.cmd (or VLFN.BAT, works the same)
<--------------cut below ------------->
IF EXIST max_path_warning.txt DEL max_path_warning.txt
pause
DIR c: d: /B /S | SED -n '/^.\{255\}/p' >>max_path_warning.txt
START max_path_warning.txt
<--------------cut above ------------->
You need SED (in your path) for this to work (about SED, see below).
The START line assumes you have a working Windows editor associated
with *.txt files (such as Notepad or any plain text editor). Also
notice the script might take some time to complete, depending on how
many drives/directories/files the DIR command (and SED) will have to
processes. Took 78 seconds last time I ran it on my 120GB drive
(checking C: through P: ).
Simply explained: The first line of the script is simply to delete any
existing "max_path_warning.txt" file, if it exist - since if it does
- any new info will be appended (>>) to the old - and I don't want
that. The DIR command then list all files on the given drives (here c:
d:) while recursing subdirectories (/S), and using the bare format
(/B) for the outputting of names. The output from DIR does not show on
screen, but is instead "piped" (|) to SED which uses it as its input.
SED then does its magic, and prints only those names that exceed 255
characters. The output from SED does not show on scrreen in this case,
but is appended (>>) to a text file named max_path_warning.txt (if you
want it on screen instead, just remove the append/filename). The Start
command then invokes my Windows text editor - passing it the
max_path_warning.txt file to load. I can there see if any such file or
directories found, and if needed I can go about renaming them to
shorten them as explained elsewhere.
The above can of course be modified (including save as bat for Win9x)
to use as a "pre-cd-burning test" for >64 names also, on any given
path/directory. Just change the value (255) and the path (c: d:)
accordingly. You can of course also change the path statement (c: d:)
to %1, so that you can input the search path on the commandline,
for example such as
C:> VLFN "C:\my documents\Myfilestoburn"
if you want to search a different path each time,
About the SED syntax used in the above, well I do not claim
credit for that, so don't ask :) I simply adapted it from
Eric Pement's extremely useful(!) collection of
"HANDY ONE-LINERS FOR SED (Unix stream editor)"
<http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt>
there, under the heading
SELECTIVE PRINTING OF CERTAIN LINES:
I found:
# print only lines of 65 characters or longer
sed -n '/^.\{65\}/p'
For info about SED how to get it. See
Eric Pement's SED page and SED FAQ (faq in html or plain text):
<http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/>
<http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sedfaq.html>
<http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sedfaq.txt>
I have been running the above VLFN.CMD script every now and then ever
since I first become aware of the problem in 2001. But only on a few
occasions have I come across such very long filenames again. In in all
but one instance did I find these after having saved some webpages
with IE. (the exception was my own doing, so never mind).
Bjorn Simonsen
><--------------cut below ------------->
>IF EXIST max_path_warning.txt DEL max_path_warning.txt
>pause
>DIR c: d: /B /S | SED -n '/^.\{255\}/p' >>max_path_warning.txt
>START max_path_warning.txt
><--------------cut above ------------->
Remove PAUSE line above, left there in error. (or leave it
and just follow on screen prompt to hit any key when ready :)
dszady
> Terry Russell wrote in
> <405bdc7e$0$20658$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
181 lines for your bio and a batch file. Find the right group and a
signature.
--
°¿° Maine SETI@home
http://www.earths-ocular.com
Registered Linux User: 347957
dszady
> On 20 Mar 2004 02:28:33 GMT, will...@aol.com (William F. Adams) wrote:
>
>>In particular, what if the flip is not accomplished for some reason?
>
> And what if I spin around and pin your arm behind your back? Now who's
> asking the questions?
No one. The hold you have to apply - and it's from behind - is the
so-called "sleeper". The only hold, if properly applied, from which
there is no escape. Fifteen seconds or less and your opponent is safely
subdued in la-la land. Of course he won't be able to answer your
questions for a few minutes. But you can bet he will when he comes to.
:)
But who the hell asked me?
The heads side of a coin is - in the USA - heavier. Someone who's job it
was to flip a coin a few thousand times found out that the heavier side
lands face-down a little over 50 per cent of the time.
Am I double off-topic now?
William F. Adams
>And what if I spin around and pin your arm behind your back? Now who's
>asking the questions?
Okay, let's apply Occam's Razor.
The original assertion was that any assertion could be reduced to a binary
either or. This classic question gainsays that:
``Have you stopped beating your wife?''
If limited to truthful replies, only a person who has in the past done so can
answer yes / no to that, anyone else has to say something else.
Anne
> 2) In option/modification specify 64
> in the "Maximum filename length" field
> and enter the expression: %f
> in the expression combo
If one needs to shorten filenames often, the above-mentioned method is
the best and perhaps the most reasonable solution, not to mention the
easiest, too. It automatically shortens all filenames to 64 characters, and
if you use '%f' expression, dot + extension are included in the count.
Clever.
--
Anne
Dew is formed on leaves when the sun shines on them and makes them perspire.
Terry Russell
> Terry Russell wrote in
> <405bdc7e$0$20658$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
>
> >If a name cannot fit on screen, it is too long.
> >long filenames , we can dream it for you .. wholesale
> >
> >How does it handle files with paths >= 260 ?
>
> I don't know, not tested.
> You try (and let us know what you find if you do :)
> > while a path isn't supposed to be > 260 and filenames
> > can be 256
>
> Not quite right, although I know many will consider names >260
> characters long "illegal" as such. I will explain below.
It varies, which is part of the problem.
Often webpages etc have unnecessarily , even insanely , long names
and paths.
e.g.
"The protected-mode FAT file system allows filenames of up to 256
characters, including the terminating null character. In this regard, it is
similar to the Microsoft® Windows NTT file system (NTFS), which allows
filenames of up to 256 characters. Protected-mode FAT allows directory paths
(excluding the filename) of up to 246 characters, including the drive
letter, colon, and leading backslash. This limit of 246 allows for the
addition of a filename in the standard 8.3 format with the terminating null
character. The maximum number of characters in a full path, including the
drive letter, colon, leading backslash, filename, and terminating null
character, is 260."
But that doesn't say it all.
> > it is easy to make such names and paths accessing these files
> > can then be a problem
>
> Yes I know. I am familiar with the problem or the feature, which ever
> way you look at it. First noticed this on my *Windows 2000* system
> back in 2001.
...
> How did I get those very long filenames in the first place?
> Saving web pages with IE on my Win2k system! I found that while IE
> only allowed max 260 character in the name field when saving,
> it also ignored the preceding path while so doing.
> But if you take preceding path + individual filename of (up to) 260
> characters long, it means the truename (path+filename) can get very
> long!
Thats what the example illustrated ;-)
...
> As for testing - to know if such long names are present so you can
> deal with them, here is a copy of my <VLFN.cmd> (short for Very Long
> File Names), a batch script I created when I became aware of the
> problem in 2001.
>
> What it does, in short: List only those directories/files whose name
> exceed 255 characters.
You are essentially correct, there are some other twists,
'Invalid' paths and file names may report only a shortname, usually if
long access fails you can still use the shortname to manipulate the file,
the problem is knowing whether the file manipulation API is using the
filename, or the name of the filename ;-)
The main point is very long filenames and tree depths are best avoided,
the directory and filename structure is largely unchecked and easily
mangled.
Terry Russell
news:pyomwq8umfu.hk...@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 07:43:03 +0100, Bjorn Simonsen wrote:
>
> > Terry Russell wrote in
> > <405bdc7e$0$20658$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
>
> 181 lines for your bio and a batch file. Find the right group and a
> signature.
Okay, we will take our landmine signs and go elsewhere.
Bjorn Simonsen
>181 lines for your bio and a batch file. Find the right group and a
>signature.
Anybody else that thinks my message was irrelevant under the subject
of freeware File Renamers that can shorten long filenames? If I'm just
wasting my time sharing what I considered very relevant info for the
subject at hand, let me know people...
omega
>
[...]
> I have been running the above VLFN.CMD script every now and then ever
> since I first become aware of the problem in 2001. But only on a few
> occasions have I come across such very long filenames again. In in all
> but one instance did I find these after having saved some webpages
> with IE.
I used to get those from a like operation: clicking "add to favorites,"
and not first truncating the name. Now I don't get them. Websites haven't
improved at all: they still abuse the <title> tag to write out six page
of spammy self-promotion crap. My own habits might have improved a little,
but not completely. I think MSFT might have fixed the MSIE problem, and
now automatically truncates the names to a less problematic state. I'm
leaving that thought as idle speculation...don't want to do a mskb search
for whether it was an official bugfix.
Another problem I get is bad characters in the names. A more common one
being the copywrite symbol. Characters that are not compatible with my
commandline ops. Regularly a difficulty for deltree.exe, which I use a
lot.
>(the exception was my own doing, so never mind).
I had a test bat file go wild one time, and copied a gazillion times a
folder path within itself. It took me over an hour of manual labor to get
rid of it. (None of the renamers etc can overcome that sort of thing.) I
had to start at the far right, and deltree, then move left(up) slowly,
deltree again, one step at a time. So very tedious! I almost get tired
from just the memory of that cleanup.
--
Karen S.
omega
>
> Bjorn Simonsen <bsus...@hotmail.com>:
> > I have been running the above VLFN.CMD script every now and then ever
> > since I first become aware of the problem in 2001. But only on a few
> > occasions have I come across such very long filenames again. In in all
> > but one instance did I find these after having saved some webpages
> > with IE.
>
> I used to get those from a like operation: clicking "add to favorites,"
> and not first truncating the name. Now I don't get them. Websites haven't
> improved at all: they still abuse the <title> tag to write out six page
> of spammy self-promotion crap. My own habits might have improved a little,
> but not completely. I think MSFT might have fixed the MSIE problem, and
> now automatically truncates the names to a less problematic state. I'm
> leaving that thought as idle speculation...don't want to do a mskb search
> for whether it was an official bugfix.
It does occur to me I could test this, for my MSIE 5.5 behaviour. Insert
x characters into the title tag of an htm, save on a slightly longer path,
and see if MSIE now truncates (if not to reasonable length, at least to
length that the OS/FS can handle). I'd have to queue the test for later
though (req'd to log off for external demands).
--
Karen S.
dszady
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:51:41 -0500, dszady <goi...@whe.re> wrote:
[...]
> Why not just use the Vulcan shoulder pinch?
That would work. Pull the head back. Hammer fist to the nose for added
emphasis.
> That could be me. When I answer a question on this news group, I flip a coin
> for what my answer will be. :)
I have a feeling somewhere in this thread I'll get a response that I can
bet on.
dszady
Calm down. You're ok. It's the length of the post. I read all of them
and almost all of them, except for the post where someone forgot to snip
and was jumped on for it. That person was a little touchy that day.
omega
>
[Snip some interesting stuff about Unicode and Ansi functions in file
names and path lengths]
[...]
> How did I get those very long filenames in the first place?
> Saving web pages with IE on my Win2k system! I found that while IE
> only allowed max 260 character in the name field when saving,
> it also ignored the preceding path while so doing.
> But if you take preceding path + individual filename of (up to) 260
> characters long, it means the truename (path+filename) can get very
> long!
I believe the bug has been since fixed in later MSIE. I ran a test on
my MSIE 5.5 sp2 version. I used an .htm with some 1000 chars between
the title tags. Results:
The saved length did not exceed a 256 max. First save, it made a filename
of 243 chars in length; the other 13 for a path name. Second save, on a
long path name, MSIE truncated the filename was truncated down as necessary
(about 50 chars for the name, afterthe long path I used).
Earlier I'd commented that MSIE used to make horribly named .url files. On
the same test htm file, I tried the favorites function. Add to favorites,
MSIE automatically truncated to 127 chars. I believe that figure is preset
(the path to my MSIE favs folder is 24 chars). Second, when I tried to drag
to the explorer to create an .url file that way, I was turned down. The
refusal message said, "Error copying file. The system cannot find the path
specified."
> btw: That IE could cause such problems seems to have
> been a known problem for some time, search for MS KB Q226446 if curios).
I don't know about using the Offline Favorites function, as I'd unregistered
that part of MSIE on my system. But at least in the other ways, I think MSIE
is no longer committing these filename length felonies. I am glad I went to
that page, but for another reason. A click from there is an mskb article
giving a method deal with overlong paths. Use of the substitute command. Not
someting that had occurred to me.
[...]
> As for testing - to know if such long names are present so you can
> deal with them, here is a copy of my <VLFN.cmd>
> <--------------cut below ------------->
> IF EXIST max_path_warning.txt DEL max_path_warning.txt
> pause
> DIR c: d: /B /S | SED -n '/^.\{255\}/p' >>max_path_warning.txt
> START max_path_warning.txt
> <--------------cut above ------------->
> <http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/>
I downloaded Sed <http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/ssed/sed-3.59.zip>,
dropped it into my path. I then tried to use your batch. I haven't rtfm'd
a single line of SED, instead figure I'll see if the error message means
anything obvious to you.
in
cmd /k DIR h: /B /S | SED -n '/.\{255\}/p' 1>>max_path_warning.txt
out
SED: -e expression #1, char 1: Unknown command: `''
I'd tried it first with my normal w99 command.com. Then next tried with
it with the 2000 command processor port: Win95Cmd.exe. Same error.
--
Karen S.
omega
> Calm down. You're ok. It's the length of the post. I read all of them
> and almost all of them, except for the post where someone forgot to snip
> and was jumped on for it. That person was a little touchy that day.
I figured that was what you were in about. The principle about glasses
houses > stones. Fortunately, Mike, the recipient of that criticism,
seems to be very mellow/mature, and good about letting the waters flow
off.
Btw. And this is !!not a stone from my glass house. Your reader is config'd
to where it is repeating the whole subject header when it is changed.
Instead of just adding an OT to the existing subject line. Although for
this particular thread, about name lengths, the subject header has looks
that are most appropriate.
--
Karen S.
omega
> cmd /k DIR h: /B /S | SED -n '/.\{255\}/p' 1>>max_path_warning.txt
> out
> SED: -e expression #1, char 1: Unknown command: `''
my way to the post. It was not in the .bat file I used. The only change
I'd made to the line you gave, it was to offer it only one directory at
a time, since two caused confusion with my command processor.
--
Karen S.
omega
> > deal with them, here is a copy of my <VLFN.cmd>
>
> > <--------------cut below ------------->
> > IF EXIST max_path_warning.txt DEL max_path_warning.txt
> > START max_path_warning.txt
> > <--------------cut above ------------->
>
> in
> cmd /k DIR h: /B /S | SED -n '/.\{255\}/p' 1>>max_path_warning.txt
> out
> SED: -e expression #1, char 1: Unknown command: `''
>
It now occurred to me to read the error message. So I found out how to make
my command processor happier about that line. Changing the quote symbol.
DIR i: /B /S | SED -n "/^.\{255\}/p" >>max_path_warning.txt
> I'd tried it first with my normal w99 command.com. Then next tried with
> it with the 2000 command processor port: Win95Cmd.exe. Same error.
That 2000 command emulator is not supposed to emulate everything, so I'll
make guess that part of the excluded support to do with using a single quote
thing.
The result file, it turned up the filenames from today's msie test, since
those were 256 path+name. I'll now point the command at my large archive
drive. I think I'd long since cleaned up the bad names that MSIE generated
in earlier years, but it should be a handy way to make sure.
--
Karen S.
John Fitzsimons
<viclin...@RUBBISH.tpg.com.au> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <beys...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:216k501kras8s79e6...@4ax.com...
< snip >
>> Don't most download managers do that ? FlashGet (adware/spyware ?)
>> certainly does.
>Why do you suppose Flashget is adware/spyware? I use it very successfully. I
>also run Adaware and Spybot regularly and they have never found any activity
>from Flashget.
You obviously have an old version of FlashGet. See ;
http://www.amazesoft.com/reginfo.htm
" Your code will remove the advertising banners and shareware reminder
windows."
There is no need to pay for removing something that isn't there.
dszady
alt.test.test group wrote:
> Btw. And this is !!not a stone from my glass house. Your reader is config'd
> to where it is repeating the whole subject header when it is changed.
> Instead of just adding an OT to the existing subject line. Although for
> this particular thread, about name lengths, the subject header has looks
> that are most appropriate.
I had not even noticed it before. One little checkbox solved it.
Thanks.
BTW I wanted to delete those replies the second after I sent them to
him. Oh well.
Bjorn Simonsen
>I believe the bug has been since fixed in later MSIE. I ran a test on
>my MSIE 5.5 sp2 version. I used an .htm with some 1000 chars between
>the title tags. Results:
>
>The saved length did not exceed a 256 max. First save, it made a filename
>of 243 chars in length; the other 13 for a path name. Second save, on a
>long path name, MSIE truncated the filename was truncated down as necessary
>(about 50 chars for the name, afterthe long path I used).
I have tested it with IE 6.0 now too. Had to install it on my test
setup first. IE 6.0 truncates also. This is good news. Since I don't
use IE very often my self, I have not payed much attention to the
updates for it - what they fixed etc. Even if the very-LFN problem is
still there (some "loop holes" left), now that IE seems to be fixed
those very long filename will probably not be very common or frequent
(unless some hacker/virus etc exploits it). Btw: One such "loop hole"
allowed me to try "The Rename" on 264 characters long file name when
Explorer could not delete it, but no go - see my reply to Terry
Russell about that.
>Earlier I'd commented that MSIE used to make horribly named .url files. On
>the same test htm file, I tried the favorites function. Add to favorites,
>MSIE automatically truncated to 127 chars. I believe that figure is preset
>(the path to my MSIE favs folder is 24 chars). Second, when I tried to drag
>to the explorer to create an .url file that way, I was turned down. The
>refusal message said, "Error copying file. The system cannot find the path
>specified."
Not tried w/favorites..but Explorer seems to be fixed also. I think
maybe the most relevant updates must have been done there. As
explained - in the past I would use Explorer to shorten very long
names (rename above). Still can, but back then I could also do the
reverse, use it to create a filename that exceed maxpath by increasing
the length of directory names above the file in question. No longer
can, as you found: Explorer gives a warning/error message if I try.
Still can move a very long file into an existing directory though,
to create a inaccessible LFN. And Explore still can not delete a such
a file. But at least now it helps prevent them being created in some
ways (even if not all).
> SED: -e expression #1, char 1: Unknown command: `''
I have seen your other message about it. Good that you found the
single quote character was causing it and the standard double quote
fixed it.
Bjorn Simonsen
<405e1574$0$27384$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>:
>> But if you take preceding path + individual filename of (up to) 260
>> characters long, it means the truename (path+filename) can get very
>> long!
>
>Thats what the example illustrated ;-)
Yes I know, irony is I snipped it for brevity. Btw see my other reply
of today to Karen (omega) about Explorer and IE now improved regarding
this. Only some loop holes remains it seems. Such as the one you
illustrated. I've used that method before, and used it again now to
test "The Rename". Test to see if it can rename a very long filename
when the GUI shell (Explorer) can not.
Created a 264LFN. Then after having verified Explorer could not delete
it, I tried "The Rename": First using free form method (expression).
Nope - filename to long it says - same as Explorer. Then tried the
"monitor long filenames" option (auto rename files that exceeds
certain limit, set to find >255 and auto-truncate at 250). But still
no go. So it seems if the system (GUI shell/explorer) can not handle
it, nor can the The Rename,. It behaves as most of the other utilities
I tried when I first ran into the problem in 2001. File is simply seen
as illegal or invalid it seems. Deleting it from the commandline still
works though, as it did back then.
Interestingly, in its preview window (click toolbar button after
selecting some files) The Rename offers a couple of checks, for
example "Find Long Names" (separate setting for this in registry,
default is 64), "Validate Filenames" (search for invalid characters in
filenames) and few others. Tried all of them on the very-LFN, and a
bit to my surprise it was given a OK, even on the LFN test. Anyway, as
long as names are not extremely long as in this case, I assume those
other features in The Rename might come in handy, such as the check
for illegal characters in names. I sometimes get them, and usually
have to drop to the commandline to handle it. I guess using the The
Rename can be faster in some such cases, like if you have more than
simply one or two illegal names that needs taking care of. When this
is said, I have yet to try this feature to see if they really work, I
mean on names that is not too long but otherwise illegal/invalid.
>> As for testing - to know if such long names are present so you can
>> deal with them, here is a copy of my <VLFN.cmd> (short for Very Long
>> File Names), a batch script I created when I became aware of the
>> problem in 2001.
One problem with my batch solution: it depends on the output of DIR.
What DIR can't see (if anything) it can't see. But so far DIR seems to
have coped, or so I like to belive. I can not be sure of course. Btw I
have not been using DIR from Win2k my self for this, but 4NT by
Jpsoft. Thus why I allow my self not to doubt the output of Dir that
much. Still, 4NT is also limited by what the OS allows it to see - so,
no way to be absolutely sure I guess... unless one use something to
read the filesystem/disk directly.
>You are essentially correct, there are some other twists,
>
>'Invalid' paths and file names may report only a shortname, usually if
>long access fails you can still use the shortname to manipulate the file,
>the problem is knowing whether the file manipulation API is using the
>filename, or the name of the filename ;-)
Yes, when name when alias. I only know for sure that system actually
use many of the short names (aliases) when booting/starting, so one
wold not want to "mangle" short names either - like with Xcopy - see
about this in: <http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy03.htm> and
<http://navasgrp.home.att.net/tech/clone_copy.htm>
>The main point is very long filenames and tree depths are best avoided,
>the directory and filename structure is largely unchecked and easily
>mangled.
Yes of course. I never asked for this in the first place, my
AV-clients and IE brought it to my attention long time ago, and you
did again now ;), but as explained I have liked to think my batch
finder have helped prevent any such very-LFN residing on my system
long enough to become a problem.
omega
> I have tested it with IE 6.0 now too. Had to install it on my test
> setup first. IE 6.0 truncates also. This is good news. Since I don't
> use IE very often my self, I have not payed much attention to the
> updates for it - what they fixed etc. Even if the very-LFN problem is
> still there (some "loop holes" left), now that IE seems to be fixed
I'd say it's no longer committing filename length felonies -- but that it
is an standing offender at the serious misdemeanor level. Saving web pages
with titles some 200+ chars in length, and the tiny little .url files with
127 spammy chars? GROSS. It's not just the practical problem of user later
moving those to a deeply nested directory. It's the outrageousness of their
length, and the ugliness.
I ran your SED batch on my archive disk. I didn't find anything illegal.
So then I changed the length seek number, to 200, to get a list of stuff
still overlong. In earlier times, I had already cleaned up my MSIE stuff
for the most part, by pointing my renamer utility at certain directories,
specifying extensions, and telling it truncate length to do. But there's
no way I'd try to point a renamer at that entire disk (70g data), and
expect my computer to not pass out. So the commandline SED was ideal for
this, rock-sturdy and fast. Your batch has now given me a good cleanup
filelist.
Is MSIE the only browser who does this, uses the abused title tag for the
file's save name? The Mozilla line, I think it uses the filename title.(?)
Even MyIE2, it offers an extra choice for save, letting you bypass the
intrinsic Browser Control's save-as dialog. But I think only for html,
no pics, and no source URL written in. I don't mind use of title instead
of filename per se, as it means having to spend less time oneself in having
to come up with a names to use for all those pages called index.htm. However,
what MSFT needs to do, it's to preset max length (in fav commands too) down
to something nearer the perimeter of civility.
> those very long filename will probably not be very common or frequent
> (unless some hacker/virus etc exploits it).
One of the first times I'd paid attention to someone reporting the problem
(it was on the pcmag message board), and they got it as a Kazaa lite user.
It is a very long file name that was apparently a download from some
peer sharing program because the folder this email automatically
installed on my computer was Kazaa lite/ sub folder My shared files.
[...] but when I get the error in explorer it says cannot find
Pokemo~2.bmp.
A responder at the time noted that a web search turned up a great number
of hits for others having problems with that particular file. I got the
impression that malice was not involved. Just some bad initial naming,
then the file sharing program wrote illegal length to everyone's disk.
I don't know any technical details, not used or paid attention to file
sharing programs, and cannot speculate why Windows allows illegal file
lengths to get written in that situation.
> Btw: One such "loop hole" allowed me to try "The Rename" on 264 characters
> long file name when Explorer could not delete it, but no go - see my reply
> to Terry Russell about that.
I'm believe none of the renamers can deal with the excess lengths, and that
it's a task strictly for the commandline. And once there, having to use the
more serious tricks. Btw, I noticed a syntax new to me. For dealing with a
not unrelated subject, reserved names:
RD \\.\<driveletter>:\<path>\<directory name>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315226&Product=winxp
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;120716
[...]
> Still can move a very long file into an existing directory though,
> to create a inaccessible LFN. And Explore still can not delete a such
> a file.
I have some fairly deeply nested paths (but not outside the OS/FS limits)
and need them that way. So my primary safety measure is to keep my file
names within reasonable length. The excess ones that I have gotten were
almost all MSIE's doing.
The only routine time I "type an essay" for a filename, it's with
screenshots. I am usually in the middle of something else when I take
them, and don't want to distract my attentions by going through any extra
dialogs for annotations. But I can clean up these names at later stage
easily enough (all the same extension, and there are not that many).
[...]
> > SED:
>
> I have seen your other message about it. Good that you found the
> single quote character was causing it and the standard double quote
> fixed it.
The batch works very nicely. And thanks for the pointer to SED. I see
that it's one of those venerable old warriors. I've downloaded the docs,
and might here and there rtfm a line or two. It's good to have on board
those tools that are strong and capable for text processing.
--
Karen S.
omega
>
> Now, lets talk about directory tree depths > 64 ;-)
Is there a simple util or script that could tell me if any of my paths
were getting near the outer reaches?
--
Karen S.
Bjorn Simonsen
>> Btw: One such "loop hole" allowed me to try "The Rename" on 264 characters
>> long file name when Explorer could not delete it, but no go - see my reply
>> to Terry Russell about that.
>
>I'm believe none of the renamers can deal with the excess lengths, and that
>it's a task strictly for the commandline. And once there, having to use the
>more serious tricks. Btw, I noticed a syntax new to me. For dealing with a
>not unrelated subject, reserved names:
>
> RD \\.\<driveletter>:\<path>\<directory name>
>
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315226&Product=winxp
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;120716
Re the syntax (NT/2k/XP/2003), trying to keep this as short as I can,
but that said - my *layman's attempt* at an explanation follows
(if I got any of this wrong, someone will hopefully tell us what's
right): It is a variant of UNC (Universal Naming Convention), handled
by the MUP - "Multiple UNC provider" (which I guess by *analogy* can
be said to operate sort of like a "DNS client" for the file system).
But the dot after the two slashes tells it the call is for the local
file system, not be directed to the DFS - "Distributed File System"
(again by *analogy*: sort of like a DNS server for the network file
system) - which it otherwise would - had the command contained a
server name instead of the dot. The advantage: skips normal path
parsing - including the check for reserved names (cf. articles). If
file exist locally, MUP establish a link for it and passes it to the
command used.
But this syntax/use does not work for deleting extremely long LFN
though - neither with RD nor DEL *.*, while both commands works fine
the normal way. Somewhat odd perhaps, although I would guess some of
the path-parsing it skips comes into play here, but anyway - that is
how it works (or not works) here. I guess the syntax/use can be useful
for the examples given in the articles though (like if a file happens
to be named with a reserved name like LPT1 and you want to delete it
etc).
As for various methods of handling bad names under NT/XP/2k,
a summary here:"You Cannot Delete a File or a Folder"
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=320081> see fx under:
"Cause 4: Files Exist in Paths That Are Deeper Than MAX_PATH
Characters",
which mentions the 8+3 method Terry Russel mention (see resolution 1),
and the "rename above" method I've used (see resolution 2). Then also
"Use a Network Share That Is As Deep As the Folder" (see resolution 3)
- which I have never tried - #2 worked for me. Finally "Use a Tool
That Can Traverse Deep Paths" (see resolution 4), which I guess is
what I have been doing when using various commandline utilities (like
DIR/SED/DEL) to find and get rid of those very long file names. See
also under resolution 4, confirming what we have said about max_path,
"NTFS does not have this limit and it is capable of accommodating much
longer paths."
Now to try keep our focus; I would just love to hear about any
freeware apps that can in fact "traverses deep paths" as explained in
the above article. This includes of course any of the other freeware
renamers (other than "The Rename" I have already tried) : like do any
of them handle extremely long filenames (>260) even when the
shell/explorer don't? Although I would guess not, you never know (cf
the last mention article with its references to "The CreateFile API",
and what I noted about Unicode equivalent functions in the API
previously).
Bjorn Simonsen
[...]
> So the commandline SED was ideal for this, rock-sturdy and fast.
> Your batch has now given me a good cleanup filelist.
I am glad you found it useful! :)
>Is MSIE the only browser who does this, uses the abused title tag for the
>file's save name? [...]
I think so, yes, at least I can not remember having tried any other
browser that did. (have not tried MYIE2, which you mentioned makes
this optional)
>> those very long filename will probably not be very common or frequent
>> (unless some hacker/virus etc exploits it).
>
>One of the first times I'd paid attention to someone reporting the problem
>(it was on the pcmag message board), and they got it as a Kazaa lite user.
[interesting case/illustration snipped for brevity]
Remember my initial post about several e-mails back and forth with a
AV company in 2001, who's client choked on those very long file names
I found back then? Let's just say I did not exactly feel very welcome
with my findings at the time...
>> > SED:
>The batch works very nicely. And thanks for the pointer to SED. I see
>that it's one of those venerable old warriors. I've downloaded the docs,
>and might here and there rtfm a line or two. It's good to have on board
>those tools that are strong and capable for text processing.
Yes very handy, and most certainly so with the over 100 handy
"one-liners" for SED collected and made available by Eric Pement at
his SED site <http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/index.htm>.
Btw, in case you haven't read all the DOCs inside out yet ;),
including the links in the FAQ at Eric Pement's site (I haven't :)
let me quote Al Aab, who once in alt.comp.editors.batch
<http://google.com/groups?&as_umsgid=FpLsu6.LF...@torfree.net>,
placed SED - the Stream EDITOR - in perspective as follows:
<quote>
sed &
its dad: ed
& younger moron brother: edlin
& big brothers: vi, vm, ...
are line oriented
<quote>
Btw: do you remember in a previous thread, about your chm, when you
said you (felt you) had "cheated" with FAR, and I jokingly said
(something like) I was under the impression you did all your coding in
Edlin? ;)
Bjorn Simonsen
>But this syntax/use does not work for deleting extremely long LFN
>though - neither with RD nor DEL *.*, while both commands works fine
>the normal way.
should have been: "while both commands works fine with SFN's AND the
normal way" :)
Baldie
Run dirms once every couple of months and then lett buzzsaw run
constantly. It defrags your HDD when there is inactivity on your PC
Derald <non...@nono.net> wrote in
news:o9vp50d93duhii79v...@4ax.com:
> "Guyon Morée" <gu...@looze.net> wrote:
>
>>So I was wondering, what freeware are you missing.
> No-nag; no-register; no time limit; simple; straightforward;
> reasonably fast windows hdd defragger.
> Thanks for asking.