It starts pretty fast on my system and doesn't seem to need that readersl.exe process anymore.
A problem I was having in Adobe Reader 8.12, in that the "Check for Updates..." menu item was missing, is no longer occurring in ver. 9.
Now the bad:
It's a HUGE download and, as usual, really rapes the registry, according to Total Uninstall 2.35. The installation is AGONIZINGLY slow, almost as slow, in fact, as installing an operating system. And when you're done, it leaves an orphaned "Config.msi" folder on your hard drive.
The help file is no longer on your system, it's online.
Adobe Reader 9 comes bundled with two things, both of which are installed whether or not you like it:
1. Acrobate.com (which gets a separate shortcut on the desktop). "Acrobat.com is a set of online services — file sharing and storage, PDF converter, online word processor, and web conferencing — you can use to create and share documents, communicate in real time, and simplify working with others." But... but... I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED, YOU ADOBE ASSHOLES!
2. Adobe Air (12 mb according to http://get.adobe.com/air/?promoid=BUIGQ) "The Adobe® AIR™ runtime lets developers use proven web technologies to build rich Internet applications that deploy to the desktop and run across operating systems" and "Adobe AIR offers an exciting new way to engage customers with innovative, branded desktop applications, without requiring changes to existing technology, people, or processes." Just what we need, now Adobe has their own version of dotnet.
As can be expected, both continually call out to various servers and since both are listed under Add or Remove Programs, I uninstalled them. Of course, the debris that both left behind is insufferable.
According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: _______________________________________________________________________ 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF file that has been enabled to display ads through registration with the Ads for Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a website operated by Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. Your Internet Protocol (IP) address is sent when this happens. The party hosting the site may use technology to send (or "serve") advertising or other electronic content that appears in or near the opened file. The website operator may also use JavaScript, web beacons (also known as action tags or single-pixel gifs), and other technologies to increase and measure the effectiveness of advertisements and to personalize advertising content. Your communication with Adobe websites is governed by the Adobe Online Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. Adobe may not have access to or control over features that a third party may use, and the information practices of third party websites are not covered by the Adobe Online Privacy Policy. _______________________________________________________________________
The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you can't copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here manually!
Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here:
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
> It starts pretty fast on my system and doesn't seem to need that > readersl.exe process anymore.
> A problem I was having in Adobe Reader 8.12, in that the "Check for > Updates..." menu item was missing, is no longer occurring in ver. 9.
> Now the bad:
> It's a HUGE download and, as usual, really rapes the registry, according > to Total Uninstall 2.35. The installation is AGONIZINGLY slow, almost as > slow, in fact, as installing an operating system. And when you're done, > it leaves an orphaned "Config.msi" folder on your hard drive.
> The help file is no longer on your system, it's online.
> Adobe Reader 9 comes bundled with two things, both of which are > installed whether or not you like it:
> 1. Acrobate.com (which gets a separate shortcut on the desktop). > "Acrobat.com is a set of online services — file sharing and storage, > PDF converter, online word processor, and web conferencing — you can use > to create and share documents, communicate in real time, and simplify > working with others." > But... but... I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED, YOU ADOBE ASSHOLES!
> 2. Adobe Air (12 mb according to http://get.adobe.com/air/?promoid=BUIGQ) > "The Adobe® AIR™ runtime lets developers use proven web technologies > to build rich Internet applications that deploy to the desktop and run > across operating systems" and "Adobe AIR offers an exciting new way to > engage customers with innovative, branded desktop applications, without > requiring changes to existing technology, people, or processes." > Just what we need, now Adobe has their own version of dotnet.
> As can be expected, both continually call out to various servers and > since both are listed under Add or Remove Programs, I uninstalled them. > Of course, the debris that both left behind is insufferable.
> According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: > _______________________________________________________________________ > 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF file that > has been enabled to display ads through registration with the Ads for > Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a website operated by > Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. Your Internet Protocol (IP) > address is sent when this happens. The party hosting the site may use > technology to send (or "serve") advertising or other electronic content > that appears in or near the opened file. The website operator may also > use JavaScript, web beacons (also known as action tags or single-pixel > gifs), and other technologies to increase and measure the effectiveness > of advertisements and to personalize advertising content. Your > communication with Adobe websites is governed by the Adobe Online > Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. Adobe may not > have access to or control over features that a third party may use, and > the information practices of third party websites are not covered by the > Adobe Online Privacy Policy. > _______________________________________________________________________
> The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you can't > copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here manually!
> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft > is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here:
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss <jcorl...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft > is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: > http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
That is not the/his point. The point is to address the practice, not find ways around it. The fact that the practice is instated creates the need to find an alternative. Adobe needs that type of feedback.
On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:22:32 -0500, Jones <no...@noaddy.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 11:09:54 -0500, "Bear Bottoms" > <bearbotto...@gmai.com> > wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss <jcorl...@fake.invalid> >> wrote:
>>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft >>> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >>> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
>> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
>> I agree wholeheartedly.
> Maybe this is a stupid question, but what benefit is to be gained > from using this new version? If you have formed the opinion from > this post that I am NOT computer literate ten marks and go to > the top of the class. I am at a loss as to why I should bother > with this new version.
> Thanks in advance.
> Jones.
That is not the/his point. The point is to address the practice. The fact that the practice is instated creates the need to find an alternative. Adobe needs that type of feedback.
If you are literate enough to be here, that is all that matter...we love you :)
John Corliss wrote: > John Corliss wrote: >> First the good:
>> It starts pretty fast on my system and doesn't seem to need that >> readersl.exe process anymore.
>> A problem I was having in Adobe Reader 8.12, in that the "Check for >> Updates..." menu item was missing, is no longer occurring in ver. 9.
>> Now the bad:
>> It's a HUGE download and, as usual, really rapes the registry, >> according to Total Uninstall 2.35. The installation is AGONIZINGLY >> slow, almost as slow, in fact, as installing an operating system. And >> when you're done, it leaves an orphaned "Config.msi" folder on your >> hard drive.
>> The help file is no longer on your system, it's online.
>> Adobe Reader 9 comes bundled with two things, both of which are >> installed whether or not you like it:
>> 1. Acrobate.com (which gets a separate shortcut on the desktop). >> "Acrobat.com is a set of online services — file sharing and >> storage, PDF converter, online word processor, and web conferencing — >> you can use to create and share documents, communicate in real time, >> and simplify working with others." >> But... but... I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED, YOU ADOBE ASSHOLES!
>> 2. Adobe Air (12 mb according to http://get.adobe.com/air/?promoid=BUIGQ) >> "The Adobe® AIR™ runtime lets developers use proven web >> technologies to build rich Internet applications that deploy to the >> desktop and run across operating systems" and "Adobe AIR offers an >> exciting new way to engage customers with innovative, branded desktop >> applications, without requiring changes to existing technology, >> people, or processes." >> Just what we need, now Adobe has their own version of dotnet.
>> As can be expected, both continually call out to various servers and >> since both are listed under Add or Remove Programs, I uninstalled >> them. Of course, the debris that both left behind is insufferable.
>> According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF file >> that has been enabled to display ads through registration with the Ads >> for Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a website operated >> by Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. Your Internet Protocol >> (IP) address is sent when this happens. The party hosting the site may >> use technology to send (or "serve") advertising or other electronic >> content that appears in or near the opened file. The website operator >> may also use JavaScript, web beacons (also known as action tags or >> single-pixel gifs), and other technologies to increase and measure the >> effectiveness of advertisements and to personalize advertising >> content. Your communication with Adobe websites is governed by the >> Adobe Online Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. >> Adobe may not have access to or control over features that a third >> party may use, and the information practices of third party websites >> are not covered by the Adobe Online Privacy Policy. >> _______________________________________________________________________
>> The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you >> can't copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here manually!
>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way >> Microsoft is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell >> Adobe here:
> According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: > ______________________________________________________________ > 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF > file that has been enabled to display ads through registration > with the Ads for Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a > website operated by Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. > Your Internet Protocol (IP) address is sent when this happens. The > party hosting the site may use technology to send (or "serve") > advertising or other electronic content that appears in or near > the opened file. The website operator may also use JavaScript, web > beacons (also known as action tags or single-pixel gifs), and > other technologies to increase and measure the effectiveness of > advertisements and to personalize advertising content. Your > communication with Adobe websites is governed by the Adobe Online > Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. Adobe may > not have access to or control over features that a third party may > use, and the information practices of third party websites are not > covered by the Adobe Online Privacy Policy. > _____________________________________________________________ ____
> The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you > can't copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here > manually!
John, PDF Unlocker should let you copy and paste from locked PDFs.
> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way > Microsoft is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can > tell Adobe here: http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi > "God help us" indeed!
> That is not the/his point. The point is to address the practice, not find > ways around it. The fact that the practice is instated creates the need to > find an alternative. Adobe needs that type of feedback.
The feedback won't help if John is only posting it here. He needs to bitch to Adobe but it'll be tough getting past the wants and goals of their marketing and sales departments.
>> That is not the/his point. The point is to address the practice, not >> find >> ways around it. The fact that the practice is instated creates the need >> to >> find an alternative. Adobe needs that type of feedback.
> The feedback won't help if John is only posting it here. He needs to > bitch to Adobe but it'll be tough getting past the wants and goals of > their marketing and sales departments.
I took it as, he sent a compliant to them and enjoined others to do so as well...which I did. I support his idea.
| It starts pretty fast on my system and doesn't seem to need that | readersl.exe process anymore.
| A problem I was having in Adobe Reader 8.12, in that the "Check for | Updates..." menu item was missing, is no longer occurring in ver. 9.
| Now the bad:
| It's a HUGE download and, as usual, really rapes the registry, according | to Total Uninstall 2.35. The installation is AGONIZINGLY slow, almost as | slow, in fact, as installing an operating system. And when you're done, | it leaves an orphaned "Config.msi" folder on your hard drive.
| The help file is no longer on your system, it's online.
| Adobe Reader 9 comes bundled with two things, both of which are | installed whether or not you like it:
| 1. Acrobate.com (which gets a separate shortcut on the desktop). | "Acrobat.com is a set of online services — file sharing and storage, | PDF converter, online word processor, and web conferencing — you can use | to create and share documents, communicate in real time, and simplify | working with others." | But... but... I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED, YOU ADOBE ASSHOLES!
| 2. Adobe Air (12 mb according to http://get.adobe.com/air/?promoid=BUIGQ) | "The Adobe® AIR™ runtime lets developers use proven web technologies | to build rich Internet applications that deploy to the desktop and run | across operating systems" and "Adobe AIR offers an exciting new way to | engage customers with innovative, branded desktop applications, without | requiring changes to existing technology, people, or processes." | Just what we need, now Adobe has their own version of dotnet.
| As can be expected, both continually call out to various servers and | since both are listed under Add or Remove Programs, I uninstalled them. | Of course, the debris that both left behind is insufferable.
| According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: | _______________________________________________________________________ | 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF file that | has been enabled to display ads through registration with the Ads for | Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a website operated by | Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. Your Internet Protocol (IP) | address is sent when this happens. The party hosting the site may use | technology to send (or "serve") advertising or other electronic content | that appears in or near the opened file. The website operator may also | use JavaScript, web beacons (also known as action tags or single-pixel | gifs), and other technologies to increase and measure the effectiveness | of advertisements and to personalize advertising content. Your | communication with Adobe websites is governed by the Adobe Online | Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. Adobe may not | have access to or control over features that a third party may use, and | the information practices of third party websites are not covered by the | Adobe Online Privacy Policy. | _______________________________________________________________________
| The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you can't | copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here manually!
| Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft | is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here:
| -- | John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google | Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, | demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez | for me, please.
The FTP server has the standard version which does not include the bundled extras.
> Thanks for the warning. Is Lite worth getting or more crap?
Sorry, I couldn't tell you. I'm too exhausted from having to deal with AR9 to try anything else.
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
>> That is not the/his point. The point is to address the practice, not find >> ways around it. The fact that the practice is instated creates the need to >> find an alternative. Adobe needs that type of feedback.
> The feedback won't help if John is only posting it here. He needs to > bitch to Adobe but it'll be tough getting past the wants and goals of > their marketing and sales departments.
I *did* bitch to Adobe using the link I provided at the end of the OP. Believe me, it was a pretty harsh bitch too.
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
Bear Bottoms wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss <jcorl...@fake.invalid> > wrote:
>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way >> Microsoft is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell >> Adobe here: >> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
> I agree wholeheartedly.
Thanks, Bear! 80)>
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
Jones wrote: > Bear Bottoms wrote: >> John Corliss wrote:
>>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft >>> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >>> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi >> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
>> I agree wholeheartedly.
> Maybe this is a stupid question, but what benefit is to be gained > from using this new version? If you have formed the opinion from > this post that I am NOT computer literate ten marks and go to > the top of the class. I am at a loss as to why I should bother > with this new version.
> Thanks in advance.
Frankly, everybody is at a loss regarding any advantage to be gained by going with the new version. I had hoped to see some compelling, new features. I can only say that version 9 seems to load a whole lot faster than previous versions, and it does it without needing a process running in the background all the time.
-- John Corliss BS206. I use nFilter to block all crossposts and all Google Groups posts because of Googlespam. No ad, cd, commercial, cripple, demo, dotnet, nag, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares OR warez for me, please.
>> According to the Reader 9 EULA, AR is now adware: >> ______________________________________________________________ >> 6.1 Use of PDF Files. When you use the Software to open a PDF >> file that has been enabled to display ads through registration >> with the Ads for Adobe PDF service, your computer may connect to a >> website operated by Adobe, an advertiser, or other third party. >> Your Internet Protocol (IP) address is sent when this happens. The >> party hosting the site may use technology to send (or "serve") >> advertising or other electronic content that appears in or near >> the opened file. The website operator may also use JavaScript, web >> beacons (also known as action tags or single-pixel gifs), and >> other technologies to increase and measure the effectiveness of >> advertisements and to personalize advertising content. Your >> communication with Adobe websites is governed by the Adobe Online >> Privacy Policy found at http://www.adobe.com/go/privacy. Adobe may >> not have access to or control over features that a third party may >> use, and the information practices of third party websites are not >> covered by the Adobe Online Privacy Policy. >> _____________________________________________________________ ____
>> The jerks make this EULA only available via a .pdf file which you >> can't copy from. I had to type this whole portion in here >> manually!
> John, PDF Unlocker should let you copy and paste from locked PDFs.
Thanks, Franklin. I was trying to remember that program.
>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way >> Microsoft is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can >> tell Adobe here: http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi >> "God help us" indeed!
Damned fingers are cramping now. 80)>
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>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft >> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
>A spanking feedback has been sent :)
I wouldn't dream of sending feedback unless and until I had downloaded, installed and used the software, and experienced these irritations myself, firsthand, on my system. This is what you did isn't it? -- Roger Hunt
>> (snip) >> Adobe Reader 9 comes bundled with two things, both of which are >> installed whether or not you like it:
>> 1. Acrobate.com (which gets a separate shortcut on the desktop). >> "Acrobat.com is a set of online services — file sharing and storage, >> PDF converter, online word processor, and web conferencing — you can use >> to create and share documents, communicate in real time, and simplify >> working with others." >> But... but... I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE INSTALLED, YOU ADOBE ASSHOLES!
>> 2. Adobe Air (12 mb according to http://get.adobe.com/air/?promoid=BUIGQ) >> "The Adobe® AIR™ runtime lets developers use proven web technologies >> to build rich Internet applications that deploy to the desktop and run >> across operating systems" and "Adobe AIR offers an exciting new way to >> engage customers with innovative, branded desktop applications, without >> requiring changes to existing technology, people, or processes." >> Just what we need, now Adobe has their own version of dotnet. >> (snip
> The FTP server has the standard version which does not include the bundled extras.
Thanks! Downloaded. And it did so at a much faster rate than the web download of the full version.
Not sure if I want to install it or not though.
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:32:30 -0500, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <op.udp4isd8jo4...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms > <bearbotto...@gmai.com> writes >> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss <jcorl...@fake.invalid> >> wrote:
>>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft >>> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >>> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
>> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
> I wouldn't dream of sending feedback unless and until I had downloaded, > installed and used the software, and experienced these irritations > myself, firsthand, on my system. > This is what you did isn't it?
Why, you doubt John's words? You think he is lying? I watched a guy get hit with a bullet once. I know it hurt, so please do not ask me to take one just to prove it :)
>> In article <op.udp4isd8jo4...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms >> <bearbotto...@gmai.com> writes >>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss <jcorl...@fake.invalid> >>> wrote:
>>>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way Microsoft >>>> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >>>> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
>>> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
>> I wouldn't dream of sending feedback unless and until I had downloaded, >> installed and used the software, and experienced these irritations >> myself, firsthand, on my system. >> This is what you did isn't it?
>Why, you doubt John's words? You think he is lying? I watched a guy get >hit with a bullet once. I know it hurt, so please do not ask me to take >one just to prove it :)
No, I am not doubting John you silly boy, I am being sensible, and your analogy is not realistic - this is freeware not warfare.
The purpose of feedback is to gather info about peoples personal experiences, and it would not be useful to write - "he found your product is crap, so I am writing to you to say so even though I have no personal experience." That's daft - I thought you researched freeware but in no way could that be described as "freeware research".
(A better approach would be to say that due to others' reported horrible experiences, you will not even bother downloading it.)
Anyhow ... have you tried it for yourself? -- Roger Hunt
> In article <op.udqheupejo4...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms > <bearbotto...@gmai.com> writes >> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:32:30 -0500, Roger Hunt >> <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> >> wrote:
>>> In article <op.udp4isd8jo4...@bwwlxc1.br.no.cox.net>, Bear Bottoms >>> <bearbotto...@gmai.com> writes >>>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:43:18 -0500, John Corliss >>>> <jcorl...@fake.invalid> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> Adobe needs to be spanked about this monstrosity the same way >>>>> Microsoft >>>>> is eating it on Vista. If you agree with me, you can tell Adobe here: >>>>> http://www.adobe.com/bin/webfeedback.cgi
>>>> A spanking feedback has been sent :)
>>> I wouldn't dream of sending feedback unless and until I had downloaded, >>> installed and used the software, and experienced these irritations >>> myself, firsthand, on my system. >>> This is what you did isn't it?
>> Why, you doubt John's words? You think he is lying? I watched a guy get >> hit with a bullet once. I know it hurt, so please do not ask me to take >> one just to prove it :)
> No, I am not doubting John you silly boy, I am being sensible, and your > analogy is not realistic - this is freeware not warfare. > The purpose of feedback is to gather info about peoples personal > experiences, and it would not be useful to write - "he found your > product is crap, so I am writing to you to say so even though I have no > personal experience." > That's daft - I thought you researched freeware but in no way could that > be described as "freeware research".
> (A better approach would be to say that due to others' reported horrible > experiences, you will not even bother downloading it.)
> Anyhow ... have you tried it for yourself?
You don't get it. I know what it does from John's relation of his experience. Therefore I experienced it by proxy and can make the same claim, without going through the motions (getting shot.) Are you proposing that if I download it, I will experience something different than John experienced? Get real Rog. If you research say local murders, you don't have to die ;)
