Re: {UPDATE} CSVed v1.4.9
Bear Bottoms
news:3c34755ilcmuh0bmd...@net.com:
> "CSVed is an easy and powerful CSV file editor, you can manipulate any
> CSV file, separated with any separator.
> New in version (1.4.9):
> * added: set space between max cols in the function save fixed fields;
> * repaired: position insert char(s);
> * added: move selected items to Top;
> * replaced: new splitter between main screen and move to column panel;
> * added: autosize column widths;"
> http://csved.sjfrancke.nl/index.html
>
> A good and simple database program.
>
> Yrrah
>
How can you call this a database program?
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sam francke
Mr BB is correct, CSVed is only a csv-file editor.
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Andy
<samfrancke@_nvalid.nl> wrote:
>F. Reeware wrote:
>> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How can you call this a database program?
>>
>> Because he knows what he is talking about, Mr Bottoms?
>
>Mr BB is correct, CSVed is only a csv-file editor.
It is a CSV-File editor but CSV files are for the most part
databases. Yrrah is right.
Andy
Bear Bottoms
news:ojns75l4j2t2vtu6n...@4ax.com:
No he isn't. CSVed is not a database program. Definition: A database is
an application that manages data and allows fast storage and retrieval of
that data.
I'm not getting into an argument of pedantry here. CSVed is NOT a
database program.
John Corliss
> Andy wrote:
>> sam francke wrote:
>>> F. Reeware wrote:
>>>>> How can you call this a database program?
>>>> Because he knows what he is talking about, Mr Bottoms?
>>> Mr BB is correct, CSVed is only a csv-file editor.
>> It is a CSV-File editor but CSV files are for the most part
>> databases. Yrrah is right.
> an application that manages data and allows fast storage and retrieval of
> that data.
I think you meant to say, "A database *program* is an application..."
etc. A database is only a data file or a set of data.
> I'm not getting into an argument of pedantry here. CSVed is NOT a
> database program.
Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could serve
as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all circumstances.
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John Corliss
> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>> Andy wrote:
>>> sam francke wrote:
>>>> F. Reeware wrote:
>>>>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>> How can you call this a database program?
>>>>> Because he knows what he is talking about, Mr Bottoms?
>>>> Mr BB is correct, CSVed is only a csv-file editor.
>>> It is a CSV-File editor but CSV files are for the most part
>>> databases. Yrrah is right.
>> No he isn't. CSVed is not a database program. Definition: A database
>> is an application that manages data and allows fast storage and
>> retrieval of that data.
>
> I think you meant to say, "A database *program* is an application..."
> etc. A database is only a data file or a set of data.
>
>> I'm not getting into an argument of pedantry here. CSVed is NOT a
>> database program.
>
> Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could serve
> as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all circumstances.
I retract that. I database program usually allows you to create and use
forms and reports. At best, it would be stretching things to call it a
database program under any circumstance.
Bear Bottoms
news:h5nr75$58m$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> John Corliss wrote:
>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> Andy wrote:
>>>> sam francke wrote:
>>>>> F. Reeware wrote:
>>>>>> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>>> How can you call this a database program?
>>>>>> Because he knows what he is talking about, Mr Bottoms?
>>>>> Mr BB is correct, CSVed is only a csv-file editor.
>>>> It is a CSV-File editor but CSV files are for the most part
>>>> databases. Yrrah is right.
>>> No he isn't. CSVed is not a database program. Definition: A database
>>> is an application that manages data and allows fast storage and
>>> retrieval of that data.
>>
>> I think you meant to say, "A database *program* is an application..."
>> etc. A database is only a data file or a set of data.
>>
>>> I'm not getting into an argument of pedantry here. CSVed is NOT a
>>> database program.
>>
>> Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could
>> serve as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all
>> circumstances.
>
> I retract that. I database program usually allows you to create and
> use forms and reports. At best, it would be stretching things to call
> it a database program under any circumstance.
>
Agreed. CSVed is not in any way a database program. It is a CSV file
editor. CSV-ed ... CSV editor... as in not CSVdb.
Ron May
wrote:
> > Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could serve
> > as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all circumstances.
>
> I retract that. I database program usually allows you to create and use
> forms and reports. At best, it would be stretching things to call it a
> database program under any circumstance.
No, you were closer to being right before the retraction. <g>
My answer would be is that CSVed obviously lacks all the bells and
whistles of a full featured database program, but could serve that
purpose for those who only need a very simple database.
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John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>
>>> Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could serve
>>> as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all circumstances.
>> I retract that. I database program usually allows you to create and use
>> forms and reports. At best, it would be stretching things to call it a
>> database program under any circumstance.
>
> No, you were closer to being right before the retraction. <g>
>
> My answer would be is that CSVed obviously lacks all the bells and
> whistles of a full featured database program, but could serve that
> purpose for those who only need a very simple database.
Ron, AFAIK, the program doesn't allow you to create forms and reports.
It does allow you to manipulate data though.
After a quick Google, I was unable to find a definition for "database
program". In the Wikipedia article on "Database", I did find a reference
to "Database Management System (DBMS)":
___________________________________________________________________________
A Database Management System (DBMS) is a set of computer programs that
controls the creation, maintenance, and the use of the database of an
organization and its end users. It allows organizations to place control
of organizationwide database development in the hands of Database
Administrators (DBAs) and other specialist. DBMSes may use any of a
variety of database models, such as the network model or relational
model. In large systems, a DBMS allows users and other software to store
and retrieve data in a structured way.
A computer database relies on software to organize the storage of data.
This software is known as a database management system (DBMS). Database
management systems are categorized according to the database model that
they support. The model tends to determine the query languages that are
available to access the database. A great deal of the internal
engineering of a DBMS, however, is independent of the data model, and is
concerned with managing factors such as performance, concurrency,
integrity, and recovery from hardware failures. In these areas there are
large differences between products.
A Relational Database Management System (RDBMS) implements the features
of the relational model outlined above. In this context, Date's
"Information Principle" states: "the entire information content of the
database is represented in one and only one way. Namely as explicit
values in column positions (attributes) and rows in relations (tuples).
Therefore, there are no explicit pointers between related tables."
Five Components of DBMS
* DBMS Engine accepts logical request from the various other DBMS
subsystems, converts them into physical equivalent, and actually
accesses the database and data dictionary as they exist on a storage device.
* Data Definition Subsystem helps user to create and maintain the
data dictionary and define the structure of the files in a database.
* Data Manipulation Subsystem helps user to add, change, and delete
information in a database and query it for valuable information.
Software tools within the data manipulation subsystem are most often the
primary interface between user and the information contained in a
database. It allows user to specify its logical information requirements.
* Application Generation Subsystem contains facilities to help
users to develop transactions-intensive applications. It usually
requires that user perform a detailed series of tasks to process a
transaction. It facilities easy-to-use data entry screens, programming
languages, and interfaces.
* Data Administration Subsystem helps users to manage the overall
database environment by providing facilities for backup and recovery,
security management, query optimization, concurrency control, and change
management.
___________________________________________________________________________
This is not to say that Wikipedia is the final authority on any subject,
but the article does seem to be well written at a glance.
Ron May
wrote:
> Ron May wrote:
>
> > My answer would be is that CSVed obviously lacks all the bells and
> > whistles of a full featured database program, but could serve that
> > purpose for those who only need a very simple database.
>
> Ron, AFAIK, the program doesn't allow you to create forms and reports.
> It does allow you to manipulate data though.
No form "creation" but hitting enter on any line (or menu "Edit > Edit
Record") brings up a form record view that you can navigate through
with the buttons at the bottom of the record form.
> After a quick Google, I was unable to find a definition for "database
> program". In the Wikipedia article on "Database", I did find a reference
> to "Database Management System (DBMS)":
<snipped, but info can be found at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_system>
> This is not to say that Wikipedia is the final authority on any subject,
> but the article does seem to be well written at a glance.
It's a good description. I think your reference accurately describes
"all the bells and whistles of a full featured database program" but
as I noted above, "for those who only need a very simple database"
CSVed might do the job.
Minor point really, John, but I just happened to think your first
thoughts (before the retraction) were more accurate. A database is
what someone needs it to be. I can't remember the last time I had to
fire up OO Base or M$ Access or similar "full featured" DBMS but I've
got scores of "databases" of all kinds that serve my purposes and I'm
sure you do too.
All I'm saying is: An address book is a "database". Keeping track of
your videos with something like EMDB is creating and maintaining a
"database". Storing your passwords is using a "database". Keeping a
ToDo list is managing a "database". Treepad Lite can be an excellent
free form "database". I often use a spreadsheet (or even a simple
text file) as a quick, fast and dirty way making a smallish "database"
if I'm only dealing with a dozen or two items. Not every "database"
necessarily requires form design and report generation. Sometimes
simple is better.
Bear Bottoms
news:ukq185906sjdmrvrt...@4ax.com:
> All I'm saying is: An address book is a "database". Keeping track of
> your videos with something like EMDB is creating and maintaining a
> "database". Storing your passwords is using a "database". Keeping a
> ToDo list is managing a "database". Treepad Lite can be an excellent
> free form "database". I often use a spreadsheet (or even a simple
> text file) as a quick, fast and dirty way making a smallish "database"
> if I'm only dealing with a dozen or two items. Not every "database"
> necessarily requires form design and report generation. Sometimes
> simple is better.
>
But an address book isn't a database program. A password manager isn't a
database program etc. You my friend are an idiot. Yrrah is a coward for not
correcting his mistake.
Craig
>
> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
Fell off the meds again, eh?
--
-Craig
Bear Bottoms
september.org:
> On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>
>> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
>
> Fell off the meds again, eh?
Not necessary for to speak the truth.
Craig
> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:h5spqu$4qk$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>> On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>
>>> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
>>
>> Fell off the meds again, eh?
>
> Not necessary for to speak the truth.
Or did Nicodemus hijack your account?
--
-Craig
Bear Bottoms
news:h5sqca$9ev$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
Why do you resort to lies and deception?
Craig
> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
> news:h5sqca$9ev$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On 08/11/2009 03:10 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:h5spqu$4qk$1...@news.eternal- september.org:
>>>
>>>> On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
>>>>
>>>> Fell off the meds again, eh?
>>>
>>> Not necessary for to speak the truth.
>>
>> Or did Nicodemus hijack your account?
>>
> Why do you resort to lies and deception?
Logical fallacy on your part, BB. And neither is it your first, nor is
it accidental.
--
-Craig
Bear Bottoms
@news.eternal-september.org:
Not at all. You know damn good and well Nicodemus has nothing to do with
me. Therefore you lie. Speaking about meds is false deception tactics.
You are therefore utilizing underhanded methods and not honestly carrying
on fair discussion or debate. Not becoming at all Craig.
Craig
> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:h5svvs$iou$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On 08/11/2009 03:53 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:h5sqca$9ev$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> On 08/11/2009 03:10 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:h5spqu$4qk$1...@news.eternal- september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fell off the meds again, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not necessary for to speak the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Or did Nicodemus hijack your account?
>>>>
>>> Why do you resort to lies and deception?
>>
>> Logical fallacy on your part, BB. And neither is it your first, nor is
>> it accidental.
>>
>
> Not at all.
Yes, it is.
--
-Craig
Chrissy Cruiser
"LMAO" wrote.....
>Ron May wrote:-
>
>>My answer would be is that CSVed obviously lacks all the bells and
>>whistles of a full featured database program, but could serve that
>>purpose for those who only need a very simple database.
>You are an idiot .
>
>CSV-Ed is a CSV file editor , not a database . period .
>
>
>best regards,
>LMAO
Hello LMAO,
Ron May over on "alt.comp.freeware" was firing off his idiot mouth again.
He doesn't have a clue and can be safely ignored.
-Chrissy Cruiser-
Bear Bottoms
news:h5tm3b$mai$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
Damn...it's magic. You just created your own conversation with yourself.
al
Perhaps not an idiot, but he NEVER admits to mistakes....
Ron May
Chrissy,
I am very pleased you mentioned "that" Ron May over on
alt.comp.freeware being an idiot and NOT "this" one here on
rec.travel.cruises. I am getting fed up being mistaken for him by the
filth and scum on that newsgroup.
I am one of Good Guys and they are the bad guys. Let us get that clear
from the outset <VBG>.
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al
> al <a...@nospam.net>:
>
>>> But an address book isn't a database program. A password manager isn't a
>>> database program etc. You my friend are an idiot. Yrrah is a coward for not
>>> correcting his mistake.
>
>> Perhaps not an idiot, but he NEVER admits to mistakes....
>
>
> Yrrah
>
Like maybe not knowing the difference between a database and a CSV
editor ...
pistolero
Ron May wrote...........
Bad you also share same name because back in "alt.comp.freeware" there
is scandal with people of Pricelessware that sells copies CD of the
FREEWARE without the permission of authors. I see name of Ron May of
*that* group mentioned much and some others. *That* Ron May was able
to get individual of the servant of the news of gabrix to block all the posts
to that groupe through his server informative by the people who set out
the criminal behavior.
Craig
> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
> news:h5tm3b$mai$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> On 08/11/2009 05:09 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in news:h5svvs$iou$1
>>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> On 08/11/2009 03:53 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:h5sqca$9ev$2...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/11/2009 03:10 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:h5spqu$4qk$1...@news.eternal- september.org:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/11/2009 02:55 PM, Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fell off the meds again, eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not necessary for to speak the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or did Nicodemus hijack your account?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you resort to lies and deception?
>>>>
>>>> Logical fallacy on your part, BB. And neither is it your first, nor
>>>> is it accidental.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all.
>>
>> Yes, it is.
>>
>
> Damn...it's magic.
Not sure how you arrived at that from:
> You my friend are an idiot... a coward...
But I doubt it was magic, BB.
-Craig
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You are mistaken but why is that surprising, you're an Asshole Coward
Troll.
Everyone, put this bozo on your killfile list ASAP.
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Bear Bottoms
news:9ap58551395csihc2...@net.com:
> al <a...@nospam.net>:
>
>> Like maybe not knowing the difference between a database and a CSV
>> editor ...
>
> I suggest you read my replies in the CSVed thread. I called CSVed a
> "good and simple database program", not a database. You know the
> difference? You know what CSV means? CSVed is an excellent program for
> maintaining simple databases.
>
> Yrrah
>
CSVed is not a database program. It is a CSV file editor. Your suggestions
will not change that fact.
Bear Bottoms
news:32n585pgnjgbu2ob7...@net.com:
> John Corliss <q34w...@yahoo.com>:
>
>> Perhaps the best answer is middle ground in that the program could
>> serve as a database program, but isn't necessarily one in all
>> circumstances.
>
> I am not really all that much interested in what the author calls his
> software. It's how it is used or can be used that counts. And CSVed
> can be used as a database program. I know, for I use it for my
> collections of books, newspaper and magazine articles and CDs. End of
> a non-discussion as far as I am concerned.
>
> Yrrah
>
That is simply a stupid reply. Using a program not designed for nor has
any of the capabilities or features of a database program, as a database
program, does not make it a database program. You are wrong Yrrah and not
man enough to admit it.
Bear Bottoms
news:tfo585lmeltu3p4ip...@net.com:
>
>> I am not really all that much interested in what the author calls his
>> software. It's how it is used or can be used that counts. And CSVed
>> can be used as a database program. I know, for I use it for my
>> collections of books, newspaper and magazine articles and CDs. End of
>> a non-discussion as far as I am concerned.
>
> To which I'll add that according to my Oxford dictionary a database
> is "a structured set of data held in a computer" and that
> Merriam-Webster calls it "a usually large collection of data organized
> especially for rapid search and retrieval (as by a computer)". CSVed
> can be used to create and maintain such a collection or structured set
> of data and to search and retrieve the stored information. Hence it's
> a database program, which is what I wrote in the first place.
> Definitely the end of this non-discussion as far as I am concerned.
>
> Yrrah
>
Bull shit. Any file is a structured database. That doesn't make them
database programs as you called CSVed. CSVed in no way can be considered
a database program, no matter how you use it.
Gordon Darling
Got it, thanks Ron!
Ron May
#Gordon Darling# wrote this on rec.travel.cruises:
>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:22:25 -0400, Gordon Darling wrote:
>
><snip.
>> Got it, thanks Ron!
>
>FORGERY
Who cares? You're one of the Bad Guys a.f.a.i.k.
OK Good Guys, you can killfile this asswipe scumboy.
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Lew
<F.Reewa...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
>
>> CSVed is not a database program. It is a CSV file editor. Your suggestions
>> will not change that fact.
>
>Mr Bottoms, you have no idea what you are talking about, as always.
>Perhaps you should post less and research more.
>
>Dr. F. Reeware,
>Professor of Freeware Science
>Director International Freeware Research Institute
>Le Bon Prize Laureate Extraordinaire
But he is ExtraSuperSpecial.
Lew