RISING AV UPDATE
Bear Bottoms
September 23 - RISING
RISING, the well-known security vendor, announces that there is an issue
which is caused by system maintenance task, and appears in the using
process of Rising Antivirus Free Edition, will make users of Rising
Antivirus Free Edition confused.
Some customers use Rising Antivirus Free Edition, there will be a popup
window with the words: "Your subscription will expire in 31 days at which
time it will automatically switch to the scan version which will not be
able to update or clean any viruses....."
This problem is caused by system maintenance task.
To fix this issue, users of Rising Antivirus Free Edition need to update
Rising Antivirus Free Edition to the latest version, and the popup window
will not appeared any more.
We apologized to users for being this issue, RISING promise Rising
Antivirus Free Edition is free antivirus, and also a full-functions and
services as Rising Antivirus 2008. We promise FREE to our free version
products, and also this would be available to our new products which are
going to be released.
Any questions you can logon http://support.rising-global.com to get
answers and guidance from Rising Support Centre.
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
Olivier
> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
> September 23 - RISING
>
> RISING, the well-known security vendor
Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
Bear Bottoms
$ba62...@news.skynet.be:
A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
Cawshus
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> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>
>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
>>> September 23 - RISING
>>>
>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
>>
>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
> AVAST.
>
>
The same as one religion is better than another?
--
Steve
Due to the volume of garbage I filter out googlegroups. So do many
others. Gmail posters are currently scored down pending troll filter
work.
Bear Bottoms
news:Xns9B296A8EAA1F0...@203.26.24.228:
> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9B28C0C06A7C5b...@85.214.90.236:
>
>> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
>> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>>
>>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
>>>> September 23 - RISING
>>>>
>>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
>>>
>>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>>
>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
>> AVAST.
>>
>>
>
> The same as one religion is better than another?
>
No. I've used all of the top free antiviri proggys. There is no question
FreeRAV is the best. No religion is better than the other, though that is
actually a backwards statement. Is Pagan better than reality?
§
> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>
>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
>>> September 23 - RISING
>>>
>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
>
>
Why is it better? What was your criteria for testing? Did you test it
against actual viruses?
Ari
> Declaration
Bear Bottoms aka William "Bear" Bottoms (Google for more info) infamous
for his posting of *any* freeware regardless of its lack of development
as a means to draw attention to himself.
Bottoms claims to be a "freeware scientist", "a beta tester" and
a "security expert". He is none of these. He *is* a full blown,
dirt-dumb imbecile though.
William "Bear" Bottoms is devoid of integrity and is untrustworthy even
with his closest and most trusted friends.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4y6qqz
His attempted dominance of Alt.Comp.Freeware (ACF) is his only,
self-absorbed priority.
!!*BEWARE OF BEARWARE*!!
Ari
> It's better than
Ari
> I've used all
Luciano.pd
> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>
>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
>>> September 23 - RISING
>>>
>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
>>
>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
> AVAST.
>
>
Well just surf to some sites that promise free porn for example, you'll
quickly see how good it is.
I had installed it and removed it from my testsystem even before you
mentioned it here, and although other people informed you already about
some problems with that app you react as you always do, all the other
people are wrong and your expertise is the only one that counts.
Don't get me wrong here, i appreciate it that you bring new apps to the
attention of the readers of this newsgroup, but your attitude makes you
loose alot of credit.
For your information on the test system there is now the new eset being
tested, on my production system (ubuntu linux) i use avscan (gui for clam)
and amavis before sending files (one does never know if the other one has
windows installed.)
Ari
>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
>> AVAST.
>>
> Well just surf to some sites that promise free porn for example, you'll
> quickly see how good it is.
> I had installed it and removed it from my testsystem even before you
> mentioned it here, and although other people informed you already about
> some problems with that app you react as you always do, all the other
> people are wrong and your expertise is the only one that counts.
Wrong. Bear Butthole's expertise only counts in his head.
alvey
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
Not according to AV-Test.org. On this reputable organisation's list Rising
actually rates as one of the least effective products available. Would love
to read your rebuttal of http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
alvey
John Stubbings
news:gbrrug$gvg$1...@registered.motzarella.org...> Half a billion in China and one lonely guy somewhere in the southern
> US?
>
> F. Reeware
:)
John Stubbings
news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.dlg@40tude.net...
Now, now...you're just bear baiting
Cawshus
I confess to never using RISING but have only used AVG and AVAST.
How did you reach the conclusion AV is best? RISING's own website seems
to indicate AVAST and AGV both achieved better detection results
http://www.rising-
global.com/Published/InformationCenter/NewsEvents/2007-06-
29/20070629150908.htm
The above is 2007 data but is the only comparison data they seemed to
have on their site. Irrespective, skeptical me says, "the results depend
what you are checking for".
Bear Bottoms
news:Xns9B29C23625BC1...@203.26.24.228:
Use it for a month...then go back.
Bear Bottoms
news:IoidnTc90vdgF3zV...@posted.visi:
Yes. At any rate...use it for a month...then see if you want to go back.
Bear Bottoms
news:48e19...@news4us.nl:
Pre-conceived erronous statements formed from group think. I haven't said
anything about anyone being right or wrong or about my expertise being
any better than anyone elses. The only attitude I see here is yours.
Rising has made significant improvements. You yourself can decide for
yourself as I have. Use it for a month...see if you wish to go back. I've
been to many sites that I know to be dangerous (only using Rising and a
firewall-nothing else) and performed many of my own tests with fake and
real viri as I have posted about. It has performed flawlessly. I tried
AntiVir and AVAST under the same circumstances...they need help from
other proggys. It is the most polished free av I have used that also
intercepts spyware well before Spyware Terminator. I finally took ST off
of my computer...with Rising you don't need it.
At one point, I came close to making an announcement rejecting FreeRAV,
but they fixed the issue...which I just posted about. As I find
questions, I communicate them to their support, get excellent response
and active results. What it may lack slightly in one area, it more than
makes up for it in others.
AntiVir has the highest detection rates from most tests, but many people
don't use it for various reasons, you included from your statements. Why?
I can tell you why I don't...Rising covers a broader area better. Many
people get along fine with ClamAV or even less. Such doesn't work for me
as I push the envelope too much.
Bear Bottoms
news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.d...@40tude.net:
I suscribe to virusbtn. The version they tested is much different from the
current version. BTW...I saw that test result prior to 9/2/08...where did
you get your date.
alvey
Come on then Bumhead. Where's your rebuttal?
No fact-free "try it for a month..." tripe for me?
And gentle readers let's pause a moment to reflect on what marvellous
advice that is for an anti-virus program. It's like; "Try sex with people
you don't know without using a condom for a month."
C'mon Bumhole! Stump up. These people
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02 say that you're sprouting rubbish.
alvey
alvey
snip
> Such doesn't work for me
> as I push the envelope too much.
Given the amount that pull the pud this casts severe doubt over Newton's
Third...
alvey
alvey
> alvey <al...@play.com> wrote in
> news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.d...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
>>> AVAST.
>>
>> Not according to AV-Test.org. On this reputable organisation's list
>> Rising actually rates as one of the least effective products
>> available. Would love to read your rebuttal of
>> http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>
> I suscribe to virusbtn. The version they tested is much different from the
> current version.
So you're pushing an untested av product. Nice.
Of course if you could supply test results from a reputable for this "much
different" version then you might get some credibility.
> BTW...I saw that test result prior to 9/2/08...where did
> you get your date.
From the website today. Where do think it's from? Uranus?
alvey
alvey
Errr apart from the fact that there are no "erronous (sic) statements above
Luciano said; "I had installed it and removed it from my test system even
before you mentioned it here...". So how did group-think effect him then?
> I haven't said anything about anyone being right or wrong
Neither did L. He said; "Don't get me wrong here...". Try using context
instead of picking out individual words.
> or about my expertise being any better than anyone elses.
Noooo. You don't think... Hang on, I'll start again. The fact that you
dismiss everyone else's opinion, including actual experts and continue to
blunder out your opinion means precisely what L said.
> The only attitude I see here is yours.
Too funny.
>
> Rising has made significant improvements.
Prove it.
> You yourself can decide for
> yourself as I have. Use it for a month...see if you wish to go back.
Wonderfull advice for an av program.
> I've been to many sites that I know to be dangerous
Such as?
> (only using Rising and a
> firewall-nothing else) and performed many of my own tests with fake and
> real viri as I have posted about. It has performed flawlessly. I tried
> AntiVir and AVAST under the same circumstances...they need help from
> other proggys. It is the most polished free av I have used that also
> intercepts spyware well before Spyware Terminator. I finally took ST off
> of my computer...with Rising you don't need it.
Could you supply a supporting *authoritive* opinion?
>
> At one point, I came close to making an announcement rejecting FreeRAV,
> but they fixed the issue...which I just posted about. As I find
> questions, I communicate them to their support, get excellent response
> and active results. What it may lack slightly in one area, it more than
> makes up for it in others.
What would those areas and shortcomings be then? Tell tell!
>
> AntiVir has the highest detection rates from most tests, but many people
> don't use it for various reasons, you included from your statements. Why?
> I can tell you why I don't...Rising covers a broader area better. Many
> people get along fine with ClamAV or even less. Such doesn't work for me
> as I push the envelope too much.
Look, this Rising may be the best av that the world has ever seen, but
until you can supply some independent supporting cites then your opinion
isn't worth a pinch of pelican poo.
alvey
badgolferman
>I confess to never using RISING but have only used AVG and AVAST.
>
>How did you reach the conclusion AV is best? RISING's own website
>seems to indicate AVAST and AGV both achieved better detection results
>http://www.rising-
>global.com/Published/InformationCenter/NewsEvents/2007-06-
>29/20070629150908.htm
>
>The above is 2007 data but is the only comparison data they seemed to
>have on their site. Irrespective, skeptical me says, "the results
>depend what you are checking for".
Purely subjective in this case.
Ari
> Use it
Ari
> use it
Ari
> performed many of my own tests
Ari
> I suscribe
Ari
But it is oh so fun to toy with an idiot who makes his own dunce cap
*and* stool for the corner.
--
Ari
>> BTW...I saw that test result prior to 9/2/08...where did
>> you get your date.
>
> From the website today. Where do think it's from? Uranus?
>
> alvey
wow surely can't be. Not with Corliss, Me.Where and humminghomo up there
too.
Iapetus
> Rising has made significant improvements. You yourself can decide for
> yourself as I have. Use it for a month...see if you wish to go back. I've
> been to many sites that I know to be dangerous (only using Rising and a
> firewall-nothing else) and performed many of my own tests with fake and
> real viri
No such word in English, it's viruses. In Latin viri means 'men'.
John Stubbings
Please don't cloud BB's pretty little head with nasty facts...
He'll be up all night now conjuring up rebuttals...
... and you know he'll prove you all wrong
Gordon Darling
> alvey <al...@play.com> wrote in
> news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.d...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
>>> AVAST.
>>
>> Not according to AV-Test.org. On this reputable organisation's list
>> Rising actually rates as one of the least effective products available.
>> Would love to read your rebuttal of
>> http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>
> I suscribe to virusbtn.
and...........?
> The version they tested is much different from
> the current version.
They (VB) didn't. The test were done by AV-Test.org
> BTW...I saw that test result prior to
> 9/2/08...where did you get your date.
The URL?
Gordon
§
I did for over a month. It failed miserably on catching
win32/spy.agent.niy trojan whereas Avast and AntiVir caught it. ClamWin
caught it as well. And of course NOD32 caught it too.
So, how *exactly* did you test Rising and determined it is better than
AVAST and AntiVir?
Ari
> I did for over a month. It failed miserably on catching
> win32/spy.agent.niy trojan whereas Avast and AntiVir caught it. ClamWin
> caught it as well. And of course NOD32 caught it too.
Little Luke put the bastard on Krazee Brenda's machine, tried to
uninstall it and it wiped out all kinds of files. We had to Sys Restore
and reload WinPatrol, killed her puppy too. More bearshit.
Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>
>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
>>> September 23 - RISING
>>>
>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
>>
>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
It most certainly is not, according to any authoritative source I can
find. In fact it's notably pale and impotent compared to either of
those products. Now if you have some actual proof that it's better,
something besides you parroting "It is it is it is!" over and over,
then by all means out with it.
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Non scrivetemi
> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9B28CC60C583Db...@85.214.90.236:
>
> > Cawshus <YaWontFindIt@Here> wrote in
> > news:Xns9B296A8EAA1F0...@203.26.24.228:
> >
> >> Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in
> >> news:Xns9B28C0C06A7C5b...@85.214.90.236:
> >>
> >>> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> >>> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
> >>>
> >>>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
> >>>>> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
> >>>>> September 23 - RISING
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RISING, the well-known security vendor
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
> >>>>
> >>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
> >>> AVAST.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The same as one religion is better than another?
> >>
> > No. I've used all of the top free antiviri proggys. There is no
> > question FreeRAV is the best. No religion is better than the other,
> > though that is actually a backwards statement. Is Pagan better than
> > reality?
> >
> >
>
> I confess to never using RISING but have only used AVG and AVAST.
>
> How did you reach the conclusion AV is best? RISING's own website seems
> to indicate AVAST and AGV both achieved better detection results
Please.... don't muddy up the waters with anything as insignificant
as facts here. Bare Butthead likes the way the pretty icons are
arranged on his screen, so the software is obviously
top-of-the-line shit.
Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
Bear Bottoms wrote:
>> How did you reach the conclusion AV is best? RISING's own website seems
>> to indicate AVAST and AGV both achieved better detection results
>> http://www.rising-
>> global.com/Published/InformationCenter/NewsEvents/2007-06-
>> 29/20070629150908.htm
>>
>> The above is 2007 data but is the only comparison data they seemed to
>> have on their site. Irrespective, skeptical me says, "the results
> depend
>> what you are checking for".
>>
> Use it for a month...then go back.
Why are you fleeing the question BB?
Once again, how exactly have you made the determination that RAV is the
best, or equal to or better than any other AV software for that matter?
Detail your testing methodology please, and provide the raw data you
collected.
TIA!
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Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> alvey <al...@play.com> wrote in
> news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.d...@40tude.net:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
>>> AVAST.
>>
>> Not according to AV-Test.org. On this reputable organisation's list
>> Rising actually rates as one of the least effective products
>> available. Would love to read your rebuttal of
>> http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>
> I suscribe to virusbtn. The version they tested is much different from the
> current version.
I call bullshit. You've been yapping about RAV for quite a time now,
and those results were posted LESS than a month ago. There's been no
significant improvement (aside from some mostly aesthetic pop-up
nonsense being addressed) during any of that time frame. In fact, if
there's been any real trend at all it's been FreeRAV's usefulness
deteriorating as it's real world detection rates fall off steadily.
You're grasping at straws here, trying to avoid reality, and it ain't
doing your already questionable credibility any service. :(
> BTW...I saw that test result prior to 9/2/08...where did
> you get your date.
Uh, from the web page itself??
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George Orwell
> Use it for a month...then go back.
Did exactly that.
In fact I installed it on 3 machines I use as sacrificial goats and
actually put it through it's paces in real life scenarios on my
LAN, not some useless "zoo" test which tell you absolutely nothing
at all of any real value.
Rising sucks so hard it swallows. It misses an absolutely
ASTOUNDING number of very common malwares and delivery methods
almost every other product on the market protects you from
flawlessly. The AV component of their "suite" in particular is so
pathetically incompetent it's actually dangerous, giving unwitting
users such yourself that all too well known sense of false security,
while offering almost no real protection at all in the real world.
Your opinion in this matter, sir, is meaningless. It's based
entirely on vapor and misguided assumptions born of total
ignorance. You wouldn't know good AV/Security software from bad if
it crawled up your ass and set fire to your liver. You simply
aren't educated enough to make that call, or adult enough to even
attempt to gain that knowledge when someone points out the folly in
those very same misguided assumptions. Your recommendations are
100% based on superfluous, subjective opinions of how the software
looks to your highly untrained eye, and when this is brought to
light you befriend the same useless software you think looks pretty,
out of pure spite.
That is and probably always will be how you're defined, sadly, by
your own hand. :(
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> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>>> How did you reach the conclusion AV is best? RISING's own website seems
>>> to indicate AVAST and AGV both achieved better detection results
>>> http://www.rising-
>>> global.com/Published/InformationCenter/NewsEvents/2007-06-
>>> 29/20070629150908.htm
>>>
>>> The above is 2007 data but is the only comparison data they seemed to
>>> have on their site. Irrespective, skeptical me says, "the results
>> depend
>>> what you are checking for".
>>>
>> Use it for a month...then go back.
>
> Why are you fleeing the question BB?
>
>
Because BB's original BS claim about RAV was just BB trolling for
attention.
Just a guess.
Non scrivetemi
> > http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
> >
> >
> >
> > alvey
>
> I suscribe to virusbtn. The version they tested is much different from the
ROTFLMAO!
So your "rebuttal" is that Rising has made major renovations in
under 30 days, even though you've been harping about how wonderful
it is for far longer than that?
Your ability to self-debase rather than admit an error is becoming
positively legendary.
Face facts child..... Rising sucks now just like it sucked when you
first "discovered" it. It's absolute dross, and the only reason you
still suck its tits like a newborn is because the "group" you keep
trying to impugn as a concept proved it so. Your fragile little ego
just can't stand to admit anything like that.
And by the way liar, you do *not* subscribe to Virus Bulletin. If
you want me to embarrass you further just say the word. I'll be more
than happy to query you on excerpts from the copies that I *do* pay
for.
Don't just nibble on that barrel sonny, pull that trigger. :)
Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
Bear Bottoms wrote:
> Pre-conceived erronous statements formed from group think. I haven't said
There's no group-think manifesting here, it's a simple matter of people
reading the opinions and scientific conclusions of experts and giving
them considerably more weight than the subjective opinions of someone
with no credibility in the field at all, and a suspicious tendency to
be vague when pressed about his so called tests.
It's easy to see why you'd wish to lump that sort of decision making
into some singular pile so you can conveniently discredit it as a
whole, but what you're saying just isn't truthful. In fact it doesn't
even make much sense.
> anything about anyone being right or wrong or about my expertise being
> any better than anyone elses. The only attitude I see here is yours.
>
> Rising has made significant improvements. You yourself can decide for
> yourself as I have. Use it for a month...see if you wish to go back. I've
> been to many sites that I know to be dangerous (only using Rising and a
> firewall-nothing else) and performed many of my own tests with fake and
Once again, you need to enumerate these sites you used as a test bed,
along with the methodology and detailed results from any other tests you
performed.
> real viri as I have posted about. It has performed flawlessly. I tried
> AntiVir and AVAST under the same circumstances...they need help from
> other proggys. It is the most polished free av I have used that also
> intercepts spyware well before Spyware Terminator. I finally took ST off
> of my computer...with Rising you don't need it.
Oddly enough, spyware is one of FreeRAV's most weak of points according
to current results provided us by those who test AV software
professionally. So why do you suppose your own results (which of course
haven't really been defined by anything but words like "best" or
"better") seem to differ from theirs?
Are you telling us the experts don't know what they're doing, or
inadvertently admitting it's you who doesn't? Has to be one or the
other, there's no third option.
> At one point, I came close to making an announcement rejecting FreeRAV,
> but they fixed the issue...which I just posted about. As I find
The fact that you'd accept or reject something as important as AV
software based on an issue as utterly insignificant as an errant pop-up
speaks volumes about the methods you use to determine that software
classes efficacy.
> questions, I communicate them to their support, get excellent response
> and active results. What it may lack slightly in one area, it more than
> makes up for it in others.
>
> AntiVir has the highest detection rates from most tests, but many people
> don't use it for various reasons, you included from your statements. Why?
> I can tell you why I don't...Rising covers a broader area better. Many
> people get along fine with ClamAV or even less. Such doesn't work for me
> as I push the envelope too much.
I doubt that very seriously. In fact I doubt you really know what the
current state of the "envelope" really is.
Visiting a few shady pr0n sites without noticing any ill effects and
scanning some sort of "ZeroBull" collection isn't pushing anything, no
matter how self important it makes you feel to think it is. Sorry.
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Dave U. Random
> Olivier <nos...@verkissen.tk> wrote in news:48e16a3e$0$2859
> $ba62...@news.skynet.be:
>
> > Bear Bottoms schreef:
> >> Declaration upon Rising Antivirus Free Edition
> >> September 23 - RISING
> >>
> >> RISING, the well-known security vendor
> >
> > Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
> >
> A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
According to someone who has absolutely zero qualifications to make
that determination anyway. According to someone whose "expertise"
consists entirely of subjective "oooooohhh.... that looks so
pretty" assessments.
The fact of the matter is kiddo, Rising's performance is abysmal
compared to even the low end fare one finds in the mainstream. It's
junk software offered by a junk company, now being advocated by
someone whose self-aggrandizing nature makes them incapable of
producing anything that isn't junk itself.
>
>
Non scrivetemi
[insert cricket sounds here]
>
>
>
> alvey
>
Nomen Nescio
> Bear Bottoms wrote:
[...]
> > A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and
> > AVAST.
> >
> >
> Well just surf to some sites that promise free porn for example, you'll
> quickly see how good it is.
> I had installed it and removed it from my testsystem even before you
> mentioned it here, and although other people informed you already about
> some problems with that app you react as you always do, all the other
> people are wrong and your expertise is the only one that counts.
This is text book narcissism, and it's been made *abundantly* clear
over the course of time by Bottoms clinging to certain select
software like a puppy to a favorite sock, every time someone
points out some flaw or error in his opinion of said software.
It's rather pathetic actually. The more knowledgeable people point
out those problems the more enamored he becomes. It's truly
pitiable watching him stammer and stutter about "try it you'll see"
in spite of all the facts and common sense being thrown his way.
Klaatu
> Sparky wrote:
>>
>> Why are you fleeing the question BB?
>>
>
> Because BB's original BS claim about RAV was just BB trolling for
> attention.
>
> Just a guess.
Then it would seem to me the better question to ask would be why the hell
is anybody still reading his posts? It's obvious he's a troll; as alvey so
succinctly put it: "He's a whining, ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritical
and destructive dingbat with a propensity for publishing rubbish." Surely
these people don't respond to "normal" trolls, but it seems this one they
continue to respond to day after day, month after month, and now year after
year. It's beyond me.
Anonymous Remailer
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
>
> >>
> > A good one to get to know if you don't. It's better than AntiVir and AVAST.
>
> Not according to AV-Test.org. On this reputable organisation's list Rising
> actually rates as one of the least effective products available. Would love
> to read your rebuttal of http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02
[insert cricket sounds here]
»Q«
Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote:
> alvey <al...@play.com> wrote in
> news:chaz3w57w4u0$.1jno4kxjaarxt$.d...@40tude.net:
>
> I suscribe to virusbtn. The version they tested is much different
> from the current version.
<shrug> There's no way to to have up-to-the-second comparative AV
tests handy, so people rely on history to judge how reliable the apps
are. With one that was as abysmal as Rising only a month ago, I'd wait
a year before even looking at it again.
> BTW...I saw that test result prior to 9/2/08...where did you get your
> date.
av-test.org released them on 1 Sept 2008, according to their website.
Maybe you've got this test confused with an earlier one in which Rising
also performed horribly?
John Stubbings
news:Xns9B297D6DB37CB...@individual.net...
It's real difficult to not read his posts, even though I killfiled him ages
ago, he makes so many posts someone's bound to reply, so you end up seeing
him making some new stupid claim, it's so ffing irritating, this freeware
researcher badge, security expert blah, it's like someone who buys a degree
without earning it, you just have to challenge that
Klaatu
alt.comp.freeware:
> It's real difficult to not read his posts, even though I killfiled him
> ages ago, he makes so many posts someone's bound to reply, so you end
> up seeing him making some new stupid claim, it's so ffing irritating,
> this freeware researcher badge, security expert blah, it's like
> someone who buys a degree without earning it, you just have to
> challenge that
Oh I know what you mean. It seems someone's always replying, and that's
the problem. If no one replies the rest of us don't have to read the BS,
plus it denies him what he so desperately seeks: the attention. It's like
they don't know the first rule of usenet (don't feed the trolls), even
through they've been posting to usenet for years and undoubtedly do know
it. It's just in this case they don't do what they know is right (ignore
it), forcing the rest of us (in a way) to participate because they can't
help themselves.
One can rail against the guy till doomsday, but in reality it's not BB
causing the problem. It's the people that reply to him. If he is denied
the attention he craves he'd fade away faster than, well, something fast.
--
Of course I have something "personal" against Bumhole. He's a whining,
ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritical and destructive dingbat with a
propensity for publishing rubbish.
-- alvey
Craig
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:48:17 GMT, John Stubbings posted to
> alt.comp.freeware:
>
>> It's real difficult to not read his posts, even though I killfiled him
>> ages ago, he makes so many posts someone's bound to reply, so you end
>> up seeing him making some new stupid claim, it's so ffing irritating,
>> this freeware researcher badge, security expert blah, it's like
>> someone who buys a degree without earning it, you just have to
>> challenge that
>
> causing the problem. It's the people that reply to him. If he is denied
> the attention he craves he'd fade away faster than, well, something fast.
>
Whoa!
I agree that BB, in and of himself, is not the problem. As far as I can
tell, it is *misinformation* that is the real issue.
And if we know something is whole-cloth inaccurate, we do have a duty to
raise the flag. If we don't, the value of acf drops. Dramatically.
Does it matter who posted it? Not one bit. I appreciate people
pointing out misinformation. Whether it's proffered by BB, me or Hello
Kitty.
One last thing, I *really* appreciate a lot of the high-caliber
responses. Pot-shots aside, when you people addressed the
misinformation head-on, I learned.
thx,
-Craig
Olivier
> Then it would seem to me the better question to ask would be why the hell
> is anybody still reading his posts? It's obvious he's a troll; as alvey so
> succinctly put it: "He's a whining, ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritical
> and destructive dingbat with a propensity for publishing rubbish." Surely
> these people don't respond to "normal" trolls, but it seems this one they
> continue to respond to day after day, month after month, and now year after
> year. It's beyond me.
You're right, but now, let's see, if you're new to this group, you see
someone posting alot, references to his own site with 'freeware',
someone who at first sight seems to have experience with freeware, what
would the newbie do?
I think the issue about AV is to important to let BB continue his
babbling about his beloved and 'oh so well known Rising' without
reaction to make people think about the value of what the self
proclaimed AV expert has to say.
hummingbird
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:04:59 +0200 'Olivier'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>Klaatu schreef:
>
>> Then it would seem to me the better question to ask would be why the hell
>> is anybody still reading his posts? It's obvious he's a troll; as alvey so
>> succinctly put it: "He's a whining, ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritical
>> and destructive dingbat with a propensity for publishing rubbish." Surely
>> these people don't respond to "normal" trolls, but it seems this one they
>> continue to respond to day after day, month after month, and now year after
>> year. It's beyond me.
>You're right,
No, Klaatu is a whining whinnie, quoting another whining whinnie.
They like to congregate doncha know.
>but now, let's see, if you're new to this group, you see
>someone posting alot, references to his own site with 'freeware',
>someone who at first sight seems to have experience with freeware, what
>would the newbie do?
>I think the issue about AV is to important to let BB continue his
>babbling about his beloved and 'oh so well known Rising' without
>reaction to make people think about the value of what the self
>proclaimed AV expert has to say.
Another view is that people should take what other people say
about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
--
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
Klaatu wrote:
The problem with leaving Bottom's nonsense go unanswered is pretty
simple. With this sort of software at least, the misinformation he
spouts could realistically lead some readers to peril. Antivirus
software in particular needs to be at least competent at what it does.
Ergonomics and such are a secondary consideration, but to Bottoms they
seem to be the only consideration. And he seems to defend that stance
even when it's so ridiculously obvious it's a mistake anyone with even
a cursory understanding of Antivirus software wouldn't.
It's the difference between the casual point-and-shoot photographer
using software to manage pictures of the relatives, and a professional
photographer needing professional grade software to manage their
portfolio. If the casual user's software falls short it's no great
loss. You can make a determination based on what pleases you
personally. Unfortunately, security software isn't that type of
software at all. :(
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John Stubbings
news:48e2b09c$0$2846$ba62...@news.skynet.be...
You're right, the shear volume of his posts are designed to promote him as a
freeware guru on the 'throw enough mud and some will stick' principle.
I'm sick of him diluting the real value of this newsgroup.
Non scrivetemi
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:10:53 GMT, =C2=A7 posted to alt.comp.freeware:
>=20
> > Sparky wrote:
> >>=20
> >> Why are you fleeing the question BB?
> >>
> >=20
> > Because BB's original BS claim about RAV was just BB trolling for=20
> > attention.
> >=20
> > Just a guess.
>=20
> Then it would seem to me the better question to ask would be why the hell=
=20
> is anybody still reading his posts? It's obvious he's a troll; as alvey s=
o=20
The only reason to mess with the troll's idiocy is so that it can
be dispelled, so fewer innocents fall victim to it.
In this specific case for example it could very well lead to some
person or persons losing data and/or money should they listen to
the troll and rely on a piece of software that's horribly
substandard.
I for one don;t care to simply let that sort of thing
slide. YMMV. If it were trivial software it would be, and absolutely
is, a different story.But AV, firewalls, encryption, and the like
are tools people rely on to protect them. Not dealing with FUD and
misinformation is as irresponsible as the troll itself making
recommendations without a single shred of knowledge or experience.
> succinctly put it: "He's a whining, ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritic=
al=20
> and destructive dingbat with a propensity for publishing rubbish." Surely=
=20
That's it exactly. The destructive part. You actually answered your
own question. :)
> these people don't respond to "normal" trolls, but it seems this one they=
=20
> continue to respond to day after day, month after month, and now year aft=
er=20
> year. It's beyond me.
I *never* respond to the idiot when it's about games, word
processors, video editing, etc. With very few exceptions those
things really are a matter of opinion and subjectivity. Even a
totally misinformed opinion has some value, or at least doesn't
place users in a position where harm can come to them.=20
Sparky
Hash: RIPEMD160
hummingbird wrote:
> Another view is that people should take what other people say
> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
What utter rubbish. This is a public discussion forum, and it's the
*responsibility* of knowledgeable participants to dispel the nonsense
wannabe experts egestate all over it. There absolutely *is* a need to
protect others from that sort of crap, even if you're doing so on pure
principal.
By your illogic there's no need for self professed "experts" like
Bottoms to post anything at all. No need to share information in the
first place. Doesn't that make him a "net nanny", inappropriately
trying to protect others when he shouldn't be?
You bethcha it does.
No, you're doing exactly what is expected of someone like you. Engaging
in a double standard whereby bad advice coming from a buddy is somehow
"noble", but good advice coming from everyone else is somehow
unnecessary. Shame on you for doing it, and shame on you for being so
blatantly transparent about it. :(
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Ari
> It's better than
On of your most endearing qualities is when you unzip your pants and
place your very own dick in the mini-guillotine. I can well imagine
dozens of us tooling up to drop the blade, slowly, inching every so
slowly, then slicing your bearhood at the rate of .1 mm per day. This
won't hurt long, about a week at most.
It's Bear hunting season boys, time to feast !!!
Ari
> Pre-conceived erronous statements formed from group think.
Oh, The Cult, the one that does not exist, except in the voids of your
mind? Is that 'the group" you speak of? The ACF cult who you battle on
the Fied of ACF Dreams?
When you drool, are you usually paranoid too?
This boy needs help. lol
Ari
>> C'mon Bumhole! Stump up. These people
>> http://www.virusbtn.com/news/2008/09_02 say that you're sprouting rubbish.
>
> [insert cricket sounds here]
Now where is that flaming homo, Milbank aka homobird, Looks like he has
abandoned you <again> as you take your usual, monthly ass kicking.
And Corliss?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA ... he's standing there like a newsman photographing a
burning street monk. VRooom Vrooom, off he goes on his cycle.
Ari
>> One can rail against the guy till doomsday, but in reality it's not BB
>> causing the problem. It's the people that reply to him. If he is denied
>> the attention he craves he'd fade away faster than, well, something fast.
>>
>
> Whoa!
>
> I agree that BB, in and of himself, is not the problem. As far as I can
> tell, it is *misinformation* that is the real issue.
>
> And if we know something is whole-cloth inaccurate, we do have a duty to
> raise the flag. If we don't, the value of acf drops. Dramatically.
> Does it matter who posted it? Not one bit. I appreciate people
> pointing out misinformation. Whether it's proffered by BB, me or Hello
> Kitty.
>
> One last thing, I *really* appreciate a lot of the high-caliber
> responses. Pot-shots aside, when you people addressed the
> misinformation head-on, I learned.
Spot on, it's nice for the Klaatu's of the world, isn't it? They leave
the heavy fucking lifting to all the rest of us.
Ari
> No, Klaatu is a whining whinnie, quoting another whining whinnie.
> They like to congregate doncha know.
They who?
Ari
> The problem with leaving Bottom's nonsense go unanswered is pretty
> simple. With this sort of software at least, the misinformation he
> spouts could realistically lead some readers to peril.
Screw that, wait until he pontificates on anonymity for Chinese
dissidents. *Then*e have a hyooge issue.
alvey
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:04:59 +0200 'Olivier'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>Klaatu schreef:
>>
>>> Then it would seem to me the better question to ask would be why the hell
>>> is anybody still reading his posts? It's obvious he's a troll; as alvey so
>>> succinctly put it: "He's a whining, ego-maniacial, vindictive, hypocritical
>>> and destructive dingbat with a propensity for publishing rubbish." Surely
>>> these people don't respond to "normal" trolls, but it seems this one they
>>> continue to respond to day after day, month after month, and now year after
>>> year. It's beyond me.
>
>>You're right,
>
> No, Klaatu is a whining whinnie, quoting another whining whinnie.
Your definition of 'whining' is novel. Possibly unique.
> They like to congregate doncha know.
I bet 'they' don't congregate in anywhere the numbers that critics of AVR
do.
Btw, the near-absolute lack of support that you and Stoopid.Here have given
poor Bumhead on his beloved Sinking AV has been noted. Is there trouble in
the Clan of the Crazed Bear?
>
>>but now, let's see, if you're new to this group, you see
>>someone posting alot, references to his own site with 'freeware',
>>someone who at first sight seems to have experience with freeware, what
>>would the newbie do?
>>I think the issue about AV is to important to let BB continue his
>>babbling about his beloved and 'oh so well known Rising' without
>>reaction to make people think about the value of what the self
>>proclaimed AV expert has to say.
>
> Another view is that people should take what other people say
> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
> always practice 'caveat emptor'.
Now there's informative advice folks!
Always beware when you're buying freeware.
It's certainly informed me about it's author.
> There is no need to become a
> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
Whoops! My bad. I apologise for having taken the piss out of what you've
written. It's only just become apparent to me that English isn't your first
language.
ps. What is? Hopefully I can take the piss out of you in your native
gibberish.
alvey
Bear Bottoms
news:gbu9oh$ref$1...@registered.motzarella.org:
You would do better to check it out yourself as those you think are
making corrections to alleged misinformation are wrong. I sent one
particular response to Rising and they laughed about it...saying the viri
in question in that post were basic and those and the variants /are/
covered in the basic levels of their schema. We shall see what develops
outside in the long run at any rate won't we :)
--
Bear Bottoms
Freeware website: http://bearware.info
alvey
>
> You would do better to check it out yourself as those you think are
> making corrections to alleged misinformation are wrong.
Why? How? Where?
alvey
hummingbird
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
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>Hash: RIPEMD160
>
>hummingbird wrote:
>
>> Another view is that people should take what other people say
>> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
>> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
>> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
>> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
>What utter rubbish. This is a public discussion forum, and it's the
>*responsibility* of knowledgeable participants to dispel the nonsense
>wannabe experts egestate all over it. There absolutely *is* a need to
>protect others from that sort of crap, even if you're doing so on pure
>principal.
Spoken like a true socialist believer.
I will continue to allow other people to make their own judgements
on what's right for them and to take responsibility for what they
do, offering help whenever I can.
Since you don't trawl this newsgroup 24x7 taking *responsibility*
for other people and protecting them from what's posted by others,
and only pop up to join in a bun fight, I assume that you have
other motivations. Right?
-snip-
Bear Bottoms
@localhost.127.0.0.1:
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
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>>Hash: RIPEMD160
>>
>>hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Another view is that people should take what other people say
>>> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
>>> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
>>> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
>>> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
>
>
>>What utter rubbish. This is a public discussion forum, and it's the
>>*responsibility* of knowledgeable participants to dispel the nonsense
>>wannabe experts egestate all over it. There absolutely *is* a need to
>>protect others from that sort of crap, even if you're doing so on pure
>>principal.
>
>
> Spoken like a true socialist believer.
>
> I will continue to allow other people to make their own judgements
> on what's right for them and to take responsibility for what they
> do, offering help whenever I can.
>
> Since you don't trawl this newsgroup 24x7 taking *responsibility*
> for other people and protecting them from what's posted by others,
> and only pop up to join in a bun fight, I assume that you have
> other motivations. Right?
>
>
> -snip-
>
I really enjoy such a display of the scourge in this group. Notice who
they are :)
What I find really funny is how many people here are still using AVG.
AntiVir being the best 'free' AntiVirus proggy, is used the least by
those in this group. Of course it is adware though very insignificant ad
injected. I like FreeRAV over AntiVir because it does so much more and
frees me from a host of back-up or antispyware proggys. Craig seems to
think ClamAV is better than AntiVir.
How many of these people actually bring innovative, good new software to
this group? I don't see any of the scourgers do it. They are locked in
the past and haven't the skills to get outside the box.
hummingbird
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:35:05 +0000 (UTC) 'Bear Bottoms'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
That's the point. Some people are far too busy throwing stones,
they haven't got the time to post about freeware.
Lucius Solo
> What I find really funny is how many people here are still using AVG.
> AntiVir being the best 'free' AntiVirus proggy, is used the least by
> those in this group. Of course it is adware though very insignificant ad
> injected.
If they're only intrested in freeware then it's normal that they don't
use adware.
But when reading your post, finaly you've seen the light and noticed
Rising isn't the best free antivirus proggy?
alvey
>>
> I really enjoy such a display of the scourge in this group. Notice who
> they are :)
Yep. People with something you don't possess. Credibility. The bastards!
>
> What I find really funny is how many people here are still using AVG.
> AntiVir being the best 'free' AntiVirus proggy, is used the least by
> those in this group. Of course it is adware though very insignificant ad
> injected. I like FreeRAV over AntiVir because it does so much more and
> frees me from a host of back-up or antispyware proggys. Craig seems to
> think ClamAV is better than AntiVir.
Consignment of elderley shoe repairers.
>
> How many of these people actually bring innovative, good new software to
> this group?
And what has that to do with your pimping shithouse software?
> I don't see any of the scourgers do it.
Mate, you couldn't "see" the sunrise if you were on a raft in the middle of
a fucking ocean.
> They are locked in the past and haven't the skills to get outside the box.
I defy any rational reader of this ng to read that and not lol. And long.
BB the Visionary. lol. "outside the box"? Fuck me. Mate, you haven't got
the skills to get outside a wet paper bag.
Let's recap:
Fact #1: Despite multiple requests, you have not provided one single fact
to support your claim.
Fact #2: Several users have tried this software and found it to be
shithouse.
Fact #3: A reputable AV testing site's report on AV software has been
posted which showed Sinking AV to be shithouse.
Fact #1 is the most interesting. In spite of a zillion requests for you to
provide a supporting site over the last few weeks you haven't been able to
produce even one. Now presumably you've looked, and if you haven't then
you're an even bigger fool than I thought, so the logical conclusion is
that there isn't one site on the www that shares your opinion on this piece
of software.
Of course you can choose to continue to reply only to fellow Clan members
on this issue, and that is certainly your right, just as a lack of
specific, coherent response to this post would make you look an even bigger
fool.
Your choice sport.
alvey
Parker 51
news:gbugir...@localhost.127.0.0.1...
>
>
> Another view is that people should take what other people say
> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
>
Caveat Emptor? It means "Let the BUYER beware". So where's the buying aspect
in FREEware? Retard!
--
Parker 51
Nil Illegitimi Carborundum
Parker 51
"Bear Bottoms" <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9B2A261B22BBEb...@85.214.90.236...
>
<snip>
I sent one particular response to Rising and they laughed about it.
<snip>
Yeah - I bet they did! Just like the rest of us.
alvey
snipoo
>
> That's the point. Some people are far too busy throwing stones,
> they haven't got the time to post about freeware.
So posting criticism of freeware doesn't count as posting about freeware.
Another novel interpretation of reality.
alvey
Sparky
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> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
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>>hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Another view is that people should take what other people say
>>> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
>>> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
>>> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
>>> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
>
>
>>What utter rubbish. This is a public discussion forum, and it's the
>>*responsibility* of knowledgeable participants to dispel the nonsense
>>wannabe experts egestate all over it. There absolutely *is* a need to
>>protect others from that sort of crap, even if you're doing so on pure
>>principal.
>
>
> Spoken like a true socialist believer.
What pathetic flailing about and cowardice.
There's nothing socialist about calling crap crap, and you know it. And
there's nothing socialist about making the comparison public in a forum
dedicated to just that purpose. You know that too, but you heard the
word "socialist" on TV recently and thought it sounded mighty
impressive. Isn't that right.
You also conveniently ignored the fact that if we're "socialist" for
setting the record straight regarding the crap your buddy spews, he's
even more so for spewing it in the first place. You ran from that just
like Bottoms himself tucks tail and scampers whenever he's pressed for
an answer on how he's come to some of the ridiculous conclusions he's
come to.
See a pattern here? Want to know where the *real* group think is? It's
you and Bottoms. One can't fart without the other immediately knowing
what he had for dinner last night. Neither of you has the capacity for
independent thought. He post nonsense and you jerk your face away from
his crack barely long enough to screech "OH YEAH!".
> I will continue to allow other people to make their own judgements
> on what's right for them and to take responsibility for what they
> do, offering help whenever I can.
Do amuse us by trying to explain how anyone is doing anything
different, or if you believe we're not, how Bottom's endless harping
about Rising being "better than everything else" when every single
knowledgeable person and AV professional disagrees is anything but
trying to sway opinions. And sway them for no better reason than
whatever perverse personal satisfaction you weirdos get from pretending
you right?
>
> Since you don't trawl this newsgroup 24x7 taking *responsibility*
Yes, unlike you I have something called "a life". I simply don't have
enough hours in a week to waste here, pretending like you and Bottoms
do that I'm fighting socialism and thinking independently. I'm sorry,
but Making a living and nurturing a family are just too important to me
to dedicate my life to self serving rants about garbage software.
*chuckle*
> for other people and protecting them from what's posted by others,
> and only pop up to join in a bun fight, I assume that you have
> other motivations. Right?
Assume what you like. Be as wrong as you want about whatever you want.
You've made it abundantly clear that's your calling in life, so run
with it.
> -snip-
Yeah, when you have no answer...
Here it is again sonny. Warm up the track shoes:
By your illogic there's no need for self professed "experts" like
Bottoms to post anything at all. No need to share information in the
first place. Doesn't that make him a "net nanny", inappropriately
trying to protect others when he shouldn't be?
You bethcha it does.
No, you're doing exactly what is expected of someone like you. Engaging
in a double standard whereby bad advice coming from a buddy is somehow
"noble", but good advice coming from everyone else is somehow
unnecessary. Shame on you for doing it, and shame on you for being so
blatantly transparent about it. :(
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Sparky
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Bear Bottoms wrote:
> I really enjoy such a display of the scourge in this group. Notice who
> they are :)
I'm sorry... I must have missed the post where you explained your AV
software testing methodologies, provided the detailed results it
produced, and enumerated the evil web sites you visited to put RAV
through it's paces.
Oh wait. You never managed to grow testicles large enough to address
those issues, preferring instead to play this sad little grab ass game
with the only person on Usenet who is stump stupid enough to stroke
your ego when it's so ridiculously obvious you're completely full of
shit.
Do you really think this coward's game makes you look like anything but
a pitiable, pathetic, loser? Well it doesn't. You're not being clever
or witty, you're just digging your hole ever deeper.
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Sparky
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hummingbird wrote:
> That's the point. Some people are far too busy throwing stones,
> they haven't got the time to post about freeware.
Waitaminute, what were we discussing again? Oh yeah... a program called
FREE RAV.
It sucks. Bottom's likes it because in his expert opinion all the icons
are in the right place and consistent with a pleasing color theme.
What's more important in a piece of security software, right?
Never mind the fact that it's got the worst detection rates of any AV
software being tested and falls over with the slightest of nudges in
real world scenarios or anything. Bothering with useless details like
that is "group think", right? And pointing it out is "socialism",
right?
By all means let's not actually discuss any of that. It's "stone
throwing" after all. Nothing like the content challenged banter between
you and BB where you offer up nothing of any greater value than
"they're this and they're that", right?
Honestly, you two are among the most clownish pair of kooks on Usenet.
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Ari
> You would do better to check it out yourself as those you think are
> making corrections to alleged misinformation are wrong. I sent one
> particular response to Rising and they laughed about it.
A Chink laugh? Did you call them in Peiping?
Ari
> Spoken like a true socialist believer.
Aw here we go, don't like BB, you're a fucking socialist.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Ari
> How many of these people actually bring innovative, good new software to
> this group? I don't see any of the scourgers do it. They are locked in
> the past and haven't the skills to get outside the box.
Let's recap:
Craig
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in
> news:gbu9oh$ref$1...@registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Klaatu wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:48:17 GMT, John Stubbings posted to
>>> alt.comp.freeware:
>>>
>>>> It's real difficult to not read his posts, even though I killfiled
>>>> him ages ago, he makes so many posts someone's bound to reply, so
>>>> you end up seeing him making some new stupid claim, it's so ffing
>>>> irritating, this freeware researcher badge, security expert blah,
>>>> it's like someone who buys a degree without earning it, you just
>>>> have to challenge that
>>> One can rail against the guy till doomsday, but in reality it's not
>>> BB causing the problem. It's the people that reply to him. If he is
>>> denied the attention he craves he'd fade away faster than, well,
>>> something fast.
>>>
>> Whoa!
>>
>> I agree that BB, in and of himself, is not the problem. As far as I
>> can tell, it is *misinformation* that is the real issue.
>
Wasn't able to find the FreeBSD version...
<grin>
-Craig
hummingbird
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:59:09 +0100 'Parker 51'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
Coming from someone hiding behind a new sockpuppet, I'll take
your ignorance of English language usage very seriously. Not!
hummingbird
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:46 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
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>hummingbird wrote:
>
>> That's the point. Some people are far too busy throwing stones,
>> they haven't got the time to post about freeware.
>
>Waitaminute, what were we discussing again? Oh yeah... a program called
>FREE RAV.
The first post of yours in this thread I read was:
Message-ID: <20080930...@hackedbox.nsa.gov>
...but you never mentioned FREE RAV once. Rather, you joined in
a bun fight. That was my previous point.
-snip-
hummingbird
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:15:21 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
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>hummingbird wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:03:01 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>>
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>>>hummingbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another view is that people should take what other people say
>>>> about programs as personal opinions and experiences, and should
>>>> always practice 'caveat emptor'. There is no need to become a
>>>> net nanny, trying to protect others from their own unwillingness
>>>> to satisfy themselves that a program is right for them.
>>
>>
>>>What utter rubbish. This is a public discussion forum, and it's the
>>>*responsibility* of knowledgeable participants to dispel the nonsense
>>>wannabe experts egestate all over it. There absolutely *is* a need to
>>>protect others from that sort of crap, even if you're doing so on pure
>>>principal.
>>
>>
>> Spoken like a true socialist believer.
>
>What pathetic flailing about and cowardice.
Sparky, I've got more important things to do than respond line
by line to your emotive, ego-driven rant. Post some more if you
want, but I won't be reading them.
Ari
> Sparky, I've got more important things to do than respond line
> by line to your ass kicking of me. Post some more if you
> want, but I won't be reading them, my boyfriend is in town
Works for me. lol
Luciano.pd
> Sparky, I've got more important things to do than respond line
> by line to your emotive, ego-driven rant. Post some more if you
> want, but I won't be reading them.
>
>
> -snip-
>
>
be mad.
hummingbird
On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:13:13 +0200 'Luciano.pd'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
Who gave you permission to speak on my behalf, sockpuppet?
Luciano.pd
>
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:13:13 +0200 'Luciano.pd'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
>>hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> Sparky, I've got more important things to do than respond line
>>> by line to your emotive, ego-driven rant. Post some more if you
>>> want, but I won't be reading them.
>>>
>>>
>>> -snip-
>>>
>>>
>>And in plain language: Sparky you're right but i can't admit that, BB
>>would be mad.
>
> Who gave you permission to speak on my behalf, sockpuppet?
>
Look who's talking.
Nice to see that i was right about BB getting mad at you.
Bear Bottoms
news:gbvl38$rnm$2...@news.mixmin.net:
I never said anything other than IMO for me, it is the all-around best of
the lot. AntiVir has better detection rates, but it stops there. AVAST is
not much behind AntiVir, but behind it is. AVG IMO is the worst of the
lot, I don't like anything about it.
Rising is about as rounded as you can get and steadily improving and good
enough because of it to usurp the others. All of this is my opinion
derived by my own means, as is yours. That there is much predjudice
against a Chinese product is normal human behavior, though it is wrong.
To say that ClamAV is better than Rising is simply wrong...I don't care
who does the tests. Too much credence is placed on these flawed tests
anyway...I have witnessed the flaws and they exist.
I have already proven wrong some of the statements about particular named
viruses being missed by Rising thus those arguments are intentionally
biased or the person making those statements didn't know what he was
doing or interpreting...that and he may not be using the most current
version.
At any rate, it is a very good product for free with awesome 24/7
support. The antivirus role is played the same as others with signature
based viruses. The zero day (behavior based) and HIPS performance is
where it excels which is much more important to me.
I really no longer need 10 programs to do what my firewall and Rising
does. When Spyware Terminator first came out, the main reason I moved to
it was the fact that it alone did what a host of programs were required
and freed me from the hassel of management of too many security programs.
You can install Rising and just forget it...freedom along with freeware.
I will add, and have said many times, I do not surf that safely though I
do use as safe of techniques as possible with what I do. Since using XP's
firewall and Rising AV alone...I don't have any program hassels and I
have stayed completely free of infections.
I tested a week of AntiVir, ST and XP firewall on one computer, and XP
firewall with Rising on another. I used all of the tricks I have and
bookmarks of known malware sites and XPFW with Rising flawlessly sailed
through them....the one with AntiVir and ST didn't. If anyone wants some
URLs to see for themselves...ask!
Bear Bottoms
@registered.motzarella.org:
drats...ya got me.
Ari
> At any rate,
alvey
> Lucius Solo <Luc...@nospam.be> wrote in
> news:gbvl38$rnm$2...@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> Bear Bottoms schreef:
>>
>>> What I find really funny is how many people here are still using AVG.
>>> AntiVir being the best 'free' AntiVirus proggy, is used the least by
>>> those in this group. Of course it is adware though very insignificant
>>> ad injected.
>>
>> If they're only intrested in freeware then it's normal that they don't
>> use adware.
>>
>> But when reading your post, finaly you've seen the light and noticed
>> Rising isn't the best free antivirus proggy?
>>
> I never said anything other than IMO
And who else would you be opining for? (Apart from the other two Stooges of
course.)
> for me, it is the all-around best of the lot.
So your screech "It's better than AntiVir and AVAST." means errr.
> AntiVir has better detection rates, but it stops there.
Yep. It's well known for detecting nasties but then doing nothing about
'em.
> AVAST is not much behind AntiVir, but behind it is. AVG IMO is the worst of the
> lot, I don't like anything about it.
And seeing as you're actually ranking products here then how about you
specify the criteria you used for them.
And I just love it when you talk science. It sends a warm flush right down
my lower intestine.
>
> Rising is about as rounded as you can get
What the fuck does this mean? It's gui is a circle?
> and steadily improving
Prove it.
> and good enough because of it
Because of what? That you, and you alone apparently, think that it's
"improving". This is hilarious.
> to usurp the others. All of this is my opinion
> derived by my own means,
And what pray tell would those "means" be? Rolling some dice? Blindfolded
darts? A random number generator perhaps?
> as is yours. That there is much predjudice
> against a Chinese product
Prove it.
> is normal human behavior,
Is what?
> is normal human behavior,
Is rubbish.
> though it is wrong.
Sure is. Is English bad.
> To say that ClamAV is better than Rising is simply wrong...
Prove it.
> I don't care who does the tests.
Hardly a revelation seeing as you don't care about tests period.
> Too much credence is placed on these flawed tests anyway
Gawd! And you profess to be an expert. Hilarious.
Anyhoo, care to explain why these "tests" (and which specific tests would
"these" be?) are flawed?
>...I have witnessed the flaws and they exist.
Crikey! It sounds like Martin Luther King.
And by golly there *is* a similarity between you two!
He fucked around a fair bit and you fuck up a lot.
>
> I have already proven wrong some of the statements about particular named
> viruses being missed by Rising
Pardon? Whereabouts did you publish this?
> thus those arguments are intentionally
> biased or the person making those statements didn't know what he was
> doing or interpreting...that and he may not be using the most current
> version.
Quick! Get your feet off the floor folks! There's a flood of bullshit
about!
>
> At any rate, it is a very good product for free
Well Done! You can actually support one of those two. That's a 50%
improvement right there!
> with awesome 24/7 support.
So you've had to contact them a lot then? Hmmmm.
> The antivirus role is played the same as others with signature
> based viruses.
Gibberish.
> The zero day (behavior based) and HIPS performance is
> where it excels
Prove it.
> which is much more important to me.
Good for you! But what about us humans?
>
> I really no longer need 10 programs to do what my firewall and Rising
> does.
Blimey! What were those 10 programs?
> When Spyware Terminator first came out, the main reason I moved to
> it was the fact that it alone did what a host of programs were required
> and freed me from the hassel of management of too many security programs.
>
> You can install Rising and just forget it...freedom along with freeware.
>
> I will add, and have said many times, I do not surf that safely though I
> do use as safe of techniques as possible with what I do. Since using XP's
> firewall and Rising AV alone...I don't have any program hassels and I
> have stayed completely free of infections.
>
> I tested a week of AntiVir, ST and XP firewall on one computer, and XP
> firewall with Rising on another. I used all of the tricks I have and
> bookmarks of known malware sites and XPFW with Rising flawlessly sailed
> through them....the one with AntiVir and ST didn't. If anyone wants some
> URLs to see for themselves...ask!
This is just arrant nonsense. How can urls show... Never mind.
You know, there's a huge number of personal pronouns in your posts. Huge.
The number could be significantly reduced if you used some actual findings
instead. Now obviously you wouldn't be aware of this, but there's
not-many-to-fuck-all used in a research paper. Or any sort of authoritive
report. Try reading some one day. It couldn't hurt. Lawdy, nothing you
tried could hurt.
alvey
alvey
Fly away little bird.
Flashback: Young HB just coulddn't understand why he, the smartest kid in
the school, could never make the debating team.
alvey
alvey
>>
>>Caveat Emptor? It means "Let the BUYER beware". So where's the buying aspect
>>in FREEware? Retard!
>
> Coming from someone hiding behind a new sockpuppet, I'll take
> your ignorance of English language usage very seriously. Not!
Somebody who pecks out; "...your ignorance of English language..." is not
in any position to criticise.
alvey
Sparky
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hummingbird wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:44:46 +0000 (UTC) 'Sparky'
> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
>
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>>hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> That's the point. Some people are far too busy throwing stones,
>>> they haven't got the time to post about freeware.
>>
>>Waitaminute, what were we discussing again? Oh yeah... a program called
>>FREE RAV.
>
> The first post of yours in this thread I read was:
> Message-ID: <20080930...@hackedbox.nsa.gov>
Bullshit. You're a bald faced liar. I posted 5 messages to this thread
in that date, that was the third, and every one of them referred to the
software in the Subject header.
>
> ...but you never mentioned FREE RAV once. Rather, you joined in
> a bun fight. That was my previous point.
>
>
> -snip-
>
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Sparky
hummingbird wrote:
The last desperate act of a thoroughly defeated coward. The on line
version of a toddler sticking its fingers in its ears and screaming
"NYA NYA NYA!". You're pathetic.
But at least your cowardice serves as proof that even you know every
single word I posted is dead on. Thank you. :)
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Dave U. Random
> > Pre-conceived erronous statements formed from group think.
>
> Errr apart from the fact that there are no "erronous (sic) statements above
> Luciano said; "I had installed it and removed it from my test system even
> before you mentioned it here...". So how did group-think effect him then?
That's nothing but Bottom's canned response to anyone and everything
that disagrees with him.
Of course his own obviously preconceived "notions" about the vast
majority being somehow wrong while he's right is nothing more than
a thoroughly self involved persona launching straight into self
preservation mode. It's a defense mechanism used by someone who
can't for the life of them "Bear" to admit they're wrong about
anything of consequence. ;)
> > I've been to many sites that I know to be dangerous
>
> Such as?
$100 says Bottom's ducks and runs from this question, exactly as he
ducked and ran from the question regarding exactly how he performed
his "tests". Dep down the poor sot knows he's full of shit, but
doesn't have the stones to simply admit it.
The only pinpoint of hope here is assuming his behavior is limited
to Usenet, where he's relatively safe hiding behind a keyboard. If
he acts this way IRL, he's got more major issues than I care to
consider.
> Look, this Rising may be the best av that the world has ever seen, but
> until you can supply some independent supporting cites then your opinion
> isn't worth a pinch of pelican poo.
It's not, it's absolutely one of the worst, and you'll not be
seeing anything but avian droppings in dispute of that plain and
simple fact.
Ari
>> Yeah right, wonder how many people know Rising.
>>
> A good one to get to know if you don't.
Let's make sure that we are perfectly clear about Rising. It is the
shittiest of the shit.
Period.