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default

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Apr 27, 2006, 11:17:08 AM4/27/06
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Something that can't set persistent cookies, doesn't require a web
site to change the privacy settings, can't access the microphone and
camera, and contains no unique identifiers?

FF browser, Windows ME

I'd like to be able to look at some of the political satire animations
turning up on the web, but don't want to compromise my privacy or
safety to do it.

Thanks
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LordMax

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Apr 27, 2006, 11:21:54 AM4/27/06
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Use an anonimyzer

gwtc

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Apr 27, 2006, 11:38:46 AM4/27/06
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default wrote:

> Something that can't set persistent cookies, doesn't require a web
> site to change the privacy settings, can't access the microphone and
> camera, and contains no unique identifiers?
>
> FF browser, Windows ME
>
> I'd like to be able to look at some of the political satire animations
> turning up on the web, but don't want to compromise my privacy or
> safety to do it.
>
> Thanks

the only thing I know of is the flashblocker:
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/. But this can disable and enable flash
at your will, and thats about all.

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Canopus

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Apr 28, 2006, 9:47:27 AM4/28/06
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Enos Nivek on 27/04/2006 wrote:

>I don't allow
>flash in Firefox, when I really want to use Flash (rarely) I then
>switch to IE.

Why? I would have thought using FF for Flash would be more secure than
IE. What's the reason?

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Raincoater

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Apr 28, 2006, 4:18:47 AM4/28/06
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Hello, default !
You wrote:

>
> Something that can't set persistent cookies, doesn't require a
web
> site to change the privacy settings, can't access the
microphone and
> camera, and contains no unique identifiers?
>
> FF browser, Windows ME
>
> I'd like to be able to look at some of the political satire
animations
> turning up on the web, but don't want to compromise my privacy
or
> safety to do it.
>
> Thanks

Sadly, Greg Yardley, who wrote the wonderful Firefox extension
'objection', which dealt admirably with all that insidious flash
cr*p, has announced that he isn't going to update it for version
1.5*. Pity.
Yours, Raincoater

Arne

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Apr 29, 2006, 4:24:21 AM4/29/06
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Once upon a time *Canopus* wrote:
> Enos Nivek on 27/04/2006 wrote:
>
>>I don't allow
>>flash in Firefox, when I really want to use Flash (rarely) I then
>>switch to IE.
>
> Why? I would have thought using FF for Flash would be more secure than
> IE. What's the reason?

I'm using SeaMonkey but guess this apply to Frifox to.

It's not so much about security, but annoyance why I have Flash disabled
most of the time. There is to much flash crap (e.g. ads) used on sites
that I don't care to see. The abuse of flash is also today what in the
90's was abuse of animated gif's for no other reason than to show off
(hey, look what I did)!

BTW, there is addons that makes it possible to easy disable and enable
when it suites you. That's what I do. You don't need to use IE when you
wish to look at flash on sites.

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Proud User of SeaMonkey. Get your free copy:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

Newby

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Apr 29, 2006, 6:35:56 AM4/29/06
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"Arne" <inv...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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> Once upon a time *Canopus* wrote:
> > Enos Nivek on 27/04/2006 wrote:
> >
[snipped]

>
> It's not so much about security, but annoyance why I have Flash disabled
> most of the time.
[snipped]
> --
> /Arne
>
Please, how do you disable Macromedia Flash? I would like to disable it
too.

Thanks.


Canopus

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Apr 29, 2006, 7:44:04 AM4/29/06
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Arne on 29/04/2006 wrote:

>There is to much flash crap (e.g. ads) used on sites
>that I don't care to see. The abuse of flash is also today what in the
>90's was abuse of animated gif's for no other reason than to show off

Ah, now that I can understand and agree with.

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Arne

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:36:31 AM4/29/06
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I'm using the Preference Toolbar with several useful features, the flash
block is just one of them, and you can customize it to suite your needs.
Read about the other features and get the extension from
http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

A single flashblock extension is this from http://flashblock.mozdev.org/

With the flashblock extension you will see a placeholder everywhere
where a flash animation is placed. As I understand it, clicking on the
placeholder will open the animation.

With the prefbar extension you enable flash and reload the page if you
like to see the animations on the page.

default

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:40:48 AM4/29/06
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:35:56 -0400, "Newby" <nob...@nowhere.net>
wrote:

There's an extension called flashblock for mozilla browsers - I have
my wife's computer set up with it; works well - blocks by default and
you have to enable the flash to play.

For my own computer - I don't trust macromedia one iota. The idea
that some smarmy marketeer can set hidden flash cookies or a piece of
software that enables (by default) sites to access the camera or
microphone - tells me they aren't interested in my privacy.

The other option is to uninstall flash - and that requires another
executable from macromedia - although you can probably just rip out
the dll files and suffer a crash from time to time.

default

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:42:04 AM4/29/06
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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 04:11:52 +0100, Far Canal <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>default wrote

>
>>
>> Something that can't set persistent cookies, doesn't require a web
>> site to change the privacy settings, can't access the microphone and
>> camera, and contains no unique identifiers?
>>
>> FF browser, Windows ME
>>
>> I'd like to be able to look at some of the political satire animations
>> turning up on the web, but don't want to compromise my privacy or
>> safety to do it.
>>
>

>Use an offline flash player -
>http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Best/offline-flash.html

I'll be checking it out, thanks.

Offline means I'd have to look at the page info and find the location
of the flash then download it?

Ron Lopshire

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Apr 29, 2006, 11:32:40 AM4/29/06
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Newby wrote:

> "Arne" <inv...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4bgm4lF...@individual.net...
>
>>Once upon a time *Canopus* wrote:
>>
>>>Enos Nivek on 27/04/2006 wrote:
>
> [snipped]
>
>>It's not so much about security, but annoyance why I have Flash disabled
>>most of the time.
>
> [snipped]
>

> Please, how do you disable Macromedia Flash? I would like to disable it
> too.

1) Media Player Classic can play Flashcrap.

(http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/)

If I ever find any *.swf of any worth, I might try it myself.

2) Disabling Macromedia Flash plugins in Mozilla-based browsers:

a) Type about:plugins
b) Note the name of the Flash DLL.
c) In the app's (browser) plugin directory,
eg., C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\plugins,
delete/hide/rename the DLL.

3) Disabling Macromedia Flash plugins in Mozilla-based browsers:

a) Type opera:plugins
b) Note the name of the Flash DLL.
c) In Opera's plugin directory,
eg., C:\Program Files\Opera\program\plugins,
delete/hide/rename the DLL.

4) If you insist on using Macromedia software, at the very least undo
all of the adware/spyware settings that Macromedia has set up for you,
all out of the goodness of their hearts.

(http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/security/)

And since Macromedia software needs fixed/patched quite often, you
might need to do this every time that you update your player. I
wouldn't know.

Ron :)

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Howard Schwartz

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:37:48 PM4/29/06
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Arne <inv...@domain.invalid> wrote in news:4bh8dvF...@individual.net:

> I'm using the Preference Toolbar with several useful features, the flash
> block is just one of them, and you can customize it to suite your needs.
> Read about the other features and get the extension from
> http://prefbar.mozdev.org/
>
> A single flashblock extension is this from http://flashblock.mozdev.org/

Let me get this straight - to disable certain plugins and extensions, you
must install other plugins and extensions?

I never understood why an application or browser could not have a simple
preference screen that could disable plugins and extensions, hopefully even
prevent them from loading into memory, by simply clicking a checkbox.

Howard Schwartz

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Apr 29, 2006, 9:41:39 PM4/29/06
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Far Canal <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:4452d963$0$14505$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

(As I recall) do not many sites prevent you from seeing their web page(s)
at all, unless you install the flash player (e.g., ``to view this page, you
need an additional extension. Download Macromedia Flash Player Now?'')

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gwtc

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Apr 30, 2006, 1:53:24 AM4/30/06
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Geoff wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 03:39:16 +0100, Far Canal <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Howard Schwartz wrote

>>
>>
>>>Arne <inv...@domain.invalid> wrote in news:4bh8dvF...@individual.net:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm using the Preference Toolbar with several useful features, the flash
>>>>block is just one of them, and you can customize it to suite your needs.
>>>>Read about the other features and get the extension from
>>>>http://prefbar.mozdev.org/
>>>>
>>>>A single flashblock extension is this from http://flashblock.mozdev.org/
>>>
>>>Let me get this straight - to disable certain plugins and extensions, you
>>>must install other plugins and extensions?
>>>
>>>I never understood why an application or browser could not have a simple
>>>preference screen that could disable plugins and extensions, hopefully even
>>>prevent them from loading into memory, by simply clicking a checkbox.
>>>
>>
>>

>>Catch 22 ....
>>You'd have to download such a 'screen'.
>
>
> Actually, the screen exists for ActiveX controls. It's called Manage
> Add-ons in the IE tools menu.
what good is that. Its for IE and not FF.

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Canopus

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Apr 30, 2006, 7:27:33 AM4/30/06
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Howard Schwartz on 30/04/2006 wrote:

>(As I recall) do not many sites prevent you from seeing their web page(s)
>at all, unless you install the flash player (e.g., ``to view this page, you
>need an additional extension. Download Macromedia Flash Player Now?'')

Yes, for example www.flickr.com where I store and display my photos
require Flash for a lot of organisational and viewing activities. Not
only that, but, when people encounter problems organising photos into Sets
and rearranging them they are advised to update to the latest version
which normally solves the problem. Normal pages on the site can be viewed
without Flash though.

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Howard Schwartz

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May 1, 2006, 3:00:07 PM5/1/06
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Far Canal <m...@privacy.net> wrote in
news:4454a4fa$0$16281$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

> you use IE? Ah well ...

Not me, firefox for some time, but no screen there like the one I asked
about.

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