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A Camera that sux or a P&S that is a P.O.S. <G>

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myobic

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Oct 30, 2009, 2:26:15 PM10/30/09
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My wife bought a low end Vivitar X024 (Sakar = mfr?)
($59 at Kohl's) to have a pocket camera for a wedding.

This camera default power on is forced flash off. You hand this camera to a
friend- they assume its point and shoot.... so the camera sensitivity goes
to the slowest shutter speed and takes a picture that ends up all fuzzy
because of movement. You set the camera to flash on, or auto detect or
forced on, or red eye, your friend takes one picture and then scrolls to see
it- and it defaults back to forced flash off.
Consequently 95% of the photos that were taken were verrrry blurrrrrry. (low
end camera has no preview mode after taking...) you have to scroll thru each
time to see pictures... which ends up turning off the flash each time.

ARRGGGHH....

I have had several back and forth discussions with Sakar technical service-
they keep repeating that the camera defaults back to power up config- I tell
them "Duhh, I said that is not my problem- the problem is the logic in power
up with no flash detect is a bad configuration" for a consumer product and I
want them to take the camera back and give me one that has proper logic.
Still waiting for the answer from their business office on that one.

Am I wrong to expect a point and shoot to power up with ability to detect if
a flash is needed and to not use it if not needed? The other two cameras
are auto in that regards and I have to manually turn it off if I don't want
autoflash........


BEWARE
Notes to self:
-Don't let wife buy next digital camera <G>
-Ask more questions before buying one.


Johnny B Good

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Oct 30, 2009, 3:44:23 PM10/30/09
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The message <cdGGm.6454$uq6....@news.usenetserver.com>
from "myobic" <mi...@yourownbiz.com> contains these words:

> ARRGGGHH....

Aha! _you're_ the customer that Canon had in mind when they designed
the PS A720 IS then. You'd be very happy with this camera (I'm not).

> Am I wrong to expect a point and shoot to power up with ability to
> detect if
> a flash is needed and to not use it if not needed? The other two cameras
> are auto in that regards and I have to manually turn it off if I
> don't want
> autoflash........

Personally, I'd prefer it if it the damn thing could remember my last
setting between powering down then back up exactly like my trusty 3Mpxl
Nikon Coolpix 3200 does. However, I have to admit that this is the only
serious defect of operation in the Canon (apart from the slightly less
annoying lack of optical zoom in movei mode unless you've loaded the
CHDK[1] software).

In the case of the Canon, it is especially galling when you've
forgotten to cancel automatic flash and you're left to 'dry out' for the
unconscionable 8 second flash cycle time (WTF! it's using NiMH batteries
fer Christ's sake!). The cheap an' cheerful electronic flash guns of 30
years back had _much_ shorter cycle times and, that was with a set of
alkalines!

[1] Canon Hack Development Kit, istr. It's usually refered to as a CHDK
firmware
update but it does no such thing, just the equivilent without risk of
'bricking' the camera. It unhides the extra features that you normally
only expect to find on a DSLR. If you're interested you can google for
more info (I think I've said enough for now ;-).

HTH

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Johnny B Good

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Nov 25, 2009, 12:11:50 PM11/25/09
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The message <cdGGm.6454$uq6....@news.usenetserver.com>
from "myobic" <mi...@yourownbiz.com> contains these words:

====snip===

> Am I wrong to expect a point and shoot to power up with ability to
> detect if
> a flash is needed and to not use it if not needed? The other two cameras
> are auto in that regards and I have to manually turn it off if I
> don't want
> autoflash........

Which is just as bad. How it _should_ work is that it remembers your
preference in this regard and _NOT_ assume one default state over
another.

The little 3Mpxl Nikon I own works exactly this way unlike the 8Mpxl
A720 IS Canon I've replaced it with which works just like you prefer
(and I _don't_).

With the exception of the folk at Nikon, it seems those employed by
Canon and that cheap P&S camera of yours, are a disgrace to the
programming profession (probably ex-microsoft programmers).

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