Anyone use thunder betas?
bando?ers
e-mail because of t-bird's nasty habit of not giving access to
screenreaders. Sometimes I can read msg edit tabs when the computer has
just been rebooted, but....I've been told that t-bird 3.x betas are much
more accessible, but have yet to install. I have a copy of beta2, but
beta4 is the current trial ever that is available. Any experience with
either of these/don't want to install a buggy beta, but don't know which
to try, and as the rc will be out with in a week or two..maybe an
official ever in less than a month...don't want to waste myhme
I know that there are several errors, but for the aforementioned prob
and lack of time to copy and edit....
Cheers,
Burt Henry
Steve Urbach
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I must; I'm using Windows.
Brian Gaff
Ido know that the betas of Thunderbird 3 work well with nvda, but I do not
like the interface myself, though loads do.
Brian
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Brian Gaff
called Thunder.
Brian
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bando?ers
And to answer your other post-no, never tried seamonkey. I got a tip
from someone on another group that nvda was likely to or does work with
t-bird 3.beta.(and as the tip came from one of the main nvda dev
guys...think it is likely to be true)
Brian Gaff escribi�:
Tiddy Ogg
wrote:
>I have heard of thunder, but thought it was a news reader?
>And to answer your other post-no, never tried seamonkey. I got a tip
>from someone on another group that nvda was likely to or does work with
> t-bird 3.beta.(and
Used to use Tbird 1.5 with Jaws. The only fault with it was that it
wouldn't read back your own messages. Just learned how to sort this -
insert-Z, but can't get Tbird 2 started... so I'll wait for ver 3
proper. Let us know when it's out.
bando?ers
Tiddy Ogg escribi�:
z> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:06:48 -0500, bando?ers <burt1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have heard...
>> And o answer your other post-no, never tried... I got a tip
>>from someone on another group that nvda was likely to or does work with
>> t-bird 3.beta.(and
>
> Used to use Tbird 1.5 with Jaws. The only fault with it was that it
> wouldn't read back your own messages.
I am writing this with 2.23, and although after computer runs a while
I often have this problem, it is working today. I just saw that NVDA
should work pretty well, (much better than it has) with TB3.x They are
organizing the testers for the TB3rc now/should start a short intensive
test in a week or so, but I don't know what the plans are for a
public trial of the rc are. Judging by firefox 3.5 the rc won't be
around for more than a few days before the official release.
Just learned how to sort this -
> insert-Z,
I don't know as much as I should about jaws/just tried "ins+z", looks
like it might be the ticket. I saw that there are jaws scripts for TB
, but they seem to be for ever 1.x and older vers of JAWS.
just
but can't get Tbird 2 started... so I'll wait for ver 3
> proper.
sounds reasonable/may do the same.
Let us know when it's out.
Will do.
Burt H.
(not a f'ing spammer)
chris mcmillan
<burt1...@gmail.com> writes
>I have heard of thunder,
Here's Thunder, Burt.
Sincerely Chris
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chris mcmillan
<Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>PS, you had me going for while with the sub line as there is a screenreader
>called Thunder.
>
to give Narrator a go.
What I can't get either Narrator nor Thunder to do is *read* web sites
nor read pre-typed documents. Am I being a fool?
I actually want to try and persuade someone that if Narrator or Thunder
will read a basic web site then our church web site should be built with
that sort of functionality in mind because I'm thinking that in time to
come lots of people who are now verging on 60 are going to need to
access the web site in the next few years and if it can be done by using
what's around so much the better.
I need to have cracked this - or thrown the whole idea out by a week
today.
Help!!
Chris
burt henry
I'd like to take a look at the site, and I'll send you or your webmaster
any access issues.
On 10/29/2009 3:56 chela, chris mcmillan wrote:
> In message <PpQEm.1358$5w5...@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Brian Gaff
> <Bri...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes
>> PS, you had me going for while with the sub line as there is a
>> screenreader
>> called Thunder.
>>
> ...
> to give Narrator a go.
>
> What I can't get either Narrator nor Thunder to do is *read* web sites
narrator doesn't do that/it's not you.
> nor read pre-typed documents. Am I being a fool?
>
narrator reads notepad txt docs, but doesn't seem to work with word....
I still haven't tried thunder, but it should work with the webbie
browser interface-down-loadable from the thunder folks, or at least
linked on the thunder site where I down-loaded.
> I actually want to try and persuade someone that if Narrator or Thunder
> will read a basic web site then our church web site should be built with
> that sort of functionality in mind because I'm thinking that in time to
> come lots of people who are now verging on 60 are going to need to
> access the web site in the next few years and if it can be done by using
> what's around so much the better
As I said before NVDA is free/easy to down-load, and although you seem
not to have found it automatic (no learning curve) to use-1.you can see
enough that you have not been forced to make the leap. 2. anyone with a
little experienced with other screenreaders can probably make a go of
it. nvda's keystrokes are similar to jaws which for better or worse is
the most popular screenreader in the world. 3. NVDA is improving very
quickly. 5. NVDA seems to be better known than thunder in most circles,
and continues to receive more and more publicity. (nothing against
thunder/I want to try it)
.
>
> I need to have cracked this - or thrown the whole idea out by a week today.
>
> Help!!
>
> Chris
>>
Why the pressure? Surely the site could be redesigned at some date in
the future, and if you won't have anyone available to do so it would be
easier to add a few links for the most important stuff/txt only format
for reading. Let me take a look at the site at any rate/you have my
interest up. And with out having tried it this webbie thinggy looks
like it could be fairly easy for a non-comp-user to learn and use for
this type of site. (guessing that you mainly need to read up-dated info)
Another thought is e-mail for blind-users with links for accessing a
volunteer's mail to help with the hard stuff. Also, for reading only
one could use one of many txt to speech programs, and you could embed a
link on your church site. Then have links for the stuff they would most
likely want to read/txt only-have links to download a txt document for
each subject?
As I am still sorting out a few issues, and don't have time to look for
your other msg in google groups or the like, when I mentioned
thunderbird it was just a way of saying a news reading client/not
program specific.
I know it is late from what you said, and you are tired of this, but
maybe something can be done for the VI folks in your parish, just not
this week, and maybe the site's not so bad. Send me the url please.
Burt
Brian
>>
>
chris mcmillan
<burt1...@gmail.com> writes
>Hi, Chris,
>I'd like to take a look at the site, and I'll send you or your
>webmaster any access issues.
>
web site has been designed commercially so what I've got in mind is for
future consideration and if anyone turned up tomorrow in our
congregation with less sight than me, we could still show them the site
is accessible with no extra outlay.
But I have achieved a lot today. Up-dated WebbIE which I've never used,
and up-dated Thunder which I only use as a Word reader.
Now I can get speech for all the links everywhere but I can't get actual
articles to read - even using a low graphics page. The most irritating
thing is that it seems you do read it one line at a time. I thought it
was me being daft or dim.
Copy and paste into Word any article, no problem. Reads nicely.
Whether the problem is that its written to be compatible with IE and
similar and not Firefox I'm not sure.
I gather one can also use Narrator with WebbIE which might be useful as
its already there (and rubbish even in Win 7). But I can't be bothered
to play any more for now till I find out what happened to my colleague.
Or my emails last week and this week fell into black holes and he's not
had them.
Thanks, Burt for the moment.
Chris
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