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(PeteCresswell)
May 1, 2013, 2:40:41 PM5/1/13
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Just got a call from somebody who closed a MS Access 2003 app and then
watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68 Outlook
windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
Screen snap of task bar: http://tinyurl.com/cztcgbt
He estimates that this has happened to him at least 10 times in the past
18 months.
Back in days of greater innocence/ignorance I clicked on a link that
somebody sent me in a business communication and it triggered some sort
of loop where the link opened a web page and the web page opened another
web page... and on-and-on.... all porn with audio to match. Only
reason I kept my job was that the PC's power cord was close and I had
the sense to yank it.
But this seems different from any link-list/loop sort of thing.
I can't rule out some weird behavior by the user... but if that were the
case I'd expect the problem more often.
I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has anybody
heard of anything that does this?
--
Pete Cresswell
watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68 Outlook
windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
Screen snap of task bar: http://tinyurl.com/cztcgbt
He estimates that this has happened to him at least 10 times in the past
18 months.
Back in days of greater innocence/ignorance I clicked on a link that
somebody sent me in a business communication and it triggered some sort
of loop where the link opened a web page and the web page opened another
web page... and on-and-on.... all porn with audio to match. Only
reason I kept my job was that the PC's power cord was close and I had
the sense to yank it.
But this seems different from any link-list/loop sort of thing.
I can't rule out some weird behavior by the user... but if that were the
case I'd expect the problem more often.
I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has anybody
heard of anything that does this?
--
Pete Cresswell
Mark Warner
May 1, 2013, 4:01:54 PM5/1/13
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On 5/1/2013 2:40 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Just got a call from somebody who closed a MS Access 2003 app and then
> watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68 Outlook
> windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
>
> Screen snap of task bar: http://tinyurl.com/cztcgbt
>
> He estimates that this has happened to him at least 10 times in the past
> 18 months.
Replace the mouse and/or keyboard.
> Just got a call from somebody who closed a MS Access 2003 app and then
> watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68 Outlook
> windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
>
> Screen snap of task bar: http://tinyurl.com/cztcgbt
>
> He estimates that this has happened to him at least 10 times in the past
> 18 months.
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Mark Warner
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mark lewis
May 1, 2013, 2:49:11 PM5/1/13
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P> Just got a call from somebody who closed a MS Access 2003 app and
P> then watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68
P> Outlook windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
sounds like they got a VB script or some sort of macro infestation thing... a
virus scan may not find it... they should disable their atomatic macro
execution stuff and then hunt it down and kill it... i forget how to find them,
though, or i'd offer some help on that side :(
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P> Just got a call from somebody who closed a MS Access 2003 app and
P> then watches as their PC went nuts opening windows - as in 68
P> Outlook windows, 37 IE Windows, 11 folders... and on-and-on.
sounds like they got a VB script or some sort of macro infestation thing... a
virus scan may not find it... they should disable their atomatic macro
execution stuff and then hunt it down and kill it... i forget how to find them,
though, or i'd offer some help on that side :(
)\/(ark
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+ The views of this user are strictly his or her own. +
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Virus Guy
May 2, 2013, 7:57:37 AM5/2/13
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(PeteCresswell)
May 2, 2013, 2:05:20 PM5/2/13
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Per Mark Warner:
How about you? Have you seen it with your own eyes?
If so, was it mouse or keyboard or both?
--
Pete Cresswell
>Replace the mouse and/or keyboard.
I note that Dustin speaks from direct experience.
How about you? Have you seen it with your own eyes?
If so, was it mouse or keyboard or both?
--
Pete Cresswell
Mark Warner
May 2, 2013, 3:21:09 PM5/2/13
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On 5/2/2013 2:05 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Mark Warner:
>> Replace the mouse and/or keyboard.
>
> I note that Dustin speaks from direct experience.
>
> How about you? Have you seen it with your own eyes?
Exactly? No. But quite similar. I have *never* seen an infection of any
> Per Mark Warner:
>> Replace the mouse and/or keyboard.
>
> I note that Dustin speaks from direct experience.
>
> How about you? Have you seen it with your own eyes?
sort cause what you've described.
> If so, was it mouse or keyboard or both?
Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
any large amount of time or money involved.
(PeteCresswell)
May 2, 2013, 8:36:47 PM5/2/13
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Per Mark Warner:
guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
This guy and others I serve are bond traders and bond trading puts a
whole new spin on the term "on a treadmill"... I can't even get him to
keep the screen up long enough to call their Help Desk and have them RDP
in to take a look - he just re-boots and gets on with his work.
The macro/malware angle doesn't ring true to me because I would expect
the problem to be more frequent. He's in and out of this MS Access
application all day, every day - yet the problem has only manifested
about 10 times in the past year-and-a-half.
--
Pete Cresswell
>Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
>proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>any large amount of time or money involved.
Yeah. That's pretty much what I'm trying to sell to the client. Two
>proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>any large amount of time or money involved.
guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
This guy and others I serve are bond traders and bond trading puts a
whole new spin on the term "on a treadmill"... I can't even get him to
keep the screen up long enough to call their Help Desk and have them RDP
in to take a look - he just re-boots and gets on with his work.
The macro/malware angle doesn't ring true to me because I would expect
the problem to be more frequent. He's in and out of this MS Access
application all day, every day - yet the problem has only manifested
about 10 times in the past year-and-a-half.
--
Pete Cresswell
micky
May 2, 2013, 10:17:52 PM5/2/13
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On Thu, 02 May 2013 20:36:47 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per Mark Warner:
>>Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
>>proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>>people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>>You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>>any large amount of time or money involved.
>
>Yeah. That's pretty much what I'm trying to sell to the client. Two
>guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
>
>His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
>out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
>interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
I saw keyboards for Acer Aspire One 8.9" screen for sale cheap on
Ebay, and I rthink two hours would be plenty of time to replace it, an
hour if one has worked with that model before.
But I'd get him to try a USB keyboard for a few weeks first. Even
eaiser and cheaper. Won't he be annoyed if you replace the keyboard
and the problem still exists? Well, maybe not so much, based on
what's below, if you give him a choice.
If I'm going to be on the computer for more than 2 hours, I use and
external mouse and keyboard.
laptops with you and you use it until this problem exists?
wrote:
>Per Mark Warner:
>>Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
>>proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>>people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>>You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>>any large amount of time or money involved.
>
>Yeah. That's pretty much what I'm trying to sell to the client. Two
>guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
>
>His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
>out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
>interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
Ebay, and I rthink two hours would be plenty of time to replace it, an
hour if one has worked with that model before.
But I'd get him to try a USB keyboard for a few weeks first. Even
eaiser and cheaper. Won't he be annoyed if you replace the keyboard
and the problem still exists? Well, maybe not so much, based on
what's below, if you give him a choice.
If I'm going to be on the computer for more than 2 hours, I use and
external mouse and keyboard.
>
>This guy and others I serve are bond traders and bond trading puts a
>whole new spin on the term "on a treadmill"... I can't even get him to
>keep the screen up long enough to call their Help Desk and have them RDP
>in to take a look - he just re-boots and gets on with his work.
Does he ever have this problem when he's not working? Can he trade
>This guy and others I serve are bond traders and bond trading puts a
>whole new spin on the term "on a treadmill"... I can't even get him to
>keep the screen up long enough to call their Help Desk and have them RDP
>in to take a look - he just re-boots and gets on with his work.
laptops with you and you use it until this problem exists?
Mark Warner
May 2, 2013, 10:32:49 PM5/2/13
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On 05/02/2013 08:36 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Mark Warner:
>> Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
>> proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>> people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>> You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>> any large amount of time or money involved.
>
> Yeah. That's pretty much what I'm trying to sell to the client. Two
> guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
>
> His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
> out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
> interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
A laptop. Fer fucks sake. That's an important piece of information that
> Per Mark Warner:
>> Try one, then the other. Diagnostics and repairs are a hands-on
>> proposition, and each case is different. You've had two experienced
>> people point you in the same direction, independent of each other.
>> You're way ahead of where you were. Try it. It's not like there will be
>> any large amount of time or money involved.
>
> Yeah. That's pretty much what I'm trying to sell to the client. Two
> guys who aren't in the same place coming up with the same explanation.
>
> His device is a laptop and I'm trying to get to their Help Desk to find
> out if a laptop keyboard can be replaced without significant
> interruption to the user - like while he's at a meeting or something.
should have been provided initially, or at the very least immediately
after two people independently point to *hardware*. Kinda puts a simple,
hands-on, swapout diagnosis in a different light.
> This guy and others I serve are bond traders and bond trading puts a
> whole new spin on the term "on a treadmill"... I can't even get him to
> keep the screen up long enough to call their Help Desk and have them RDP
> in to take a look - he just re-boots and gets on with his work.
road, either. If he can't be interrupted long enough to let someone fix
the bastiid, tell him your magic wand is broken and to buy a new
computer and stop bugging you. Sheesh.
> The macro/malware angle doesn't ring true to me because I would expect
> the problem to be more frequent. He's in and out of this MS Access
> application all day, every day - yet the problem has only manifested
> about 10 times in the past year-and-a-half.
inclined to think Dustin and I are probably correct. If he's pounding on
a laptop keyboard and/or the trackpad constantly all day every day, an
intermittent failure there seems all the more likely. (I have an old
laptop myself that the mouse pointer will occasionally go haywire. I
need to squeeze and slightly twist the case to make it functional.)
Plus, the fact that it's running Access 2003 -- rather than a later
version -- tells me the machine has some age on it.
--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying
mark lewis
May 2, 2013, 4:39:43 PM5/2/13
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VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no problems...
other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you seem to be
having with my posts... you don't explain anything about the problem but
instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of participating in this
area... why? i don't know...
mark lewis
May 2, 2013, 8:32:45 PM5/2/13
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P> The macro/malware angle doesn't ring true to me because I would
P> expect the problem to be more frequent. He's in and out of this
P> MS Access application all day, every day - yet the problem has only
P> manifested about 10 times in the past year-and-a-half.
in that case, add my vote to the keyboard/mouse problem, then... it was my
second option but i remember MSOffice macros being some critters that could do
this type of thing... we haven't heard much about them in recent mainstream
activities but it would not surprise me to find that they are still running
around out there...
the keyboard should, depending on the make of the machine, be able to be
swapped out in less than five minutes... ya generally remove a cover near the
screen, slide a clip, lift it up and undo the ribbon cable retainer... fit the
new keyboard's ribbon into the connector and seat the retainer, put the KB in
place slide the locking clip and replace the cover... done... power it up and
test the keys...
the mouse (touchpad??) may or may not be as easy... touchpads may require the
case to be opened... the eraser nipple type mice critters that live between the
G and H keys are already handled with the KB replacement...
Virus Guy
May 3, 2013, 4:08:30 AM5/3/13
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mark lewis wrote:
> > Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> > Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> > "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
Yes you do.
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
> problems...
only ones that I've ever seen not insert "Re:" into the subject line of
a reply.
It should not be necessary to use threaded views to know at a glance
which posts are original and which are replies.
I don't happen to like using threaded view - I prefer simple temporal
(linear) view of posts in a given newsgroup.
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
> seem to be having with my posts...
software in comparison to otherwise universally-recognized standards
that are adhered to by all "normal" usenet clients.
That you access usenet from a FidoNet gateway should make no difference
in terms of this conformity.
Or perhaps the gateway itself is responsible for the half-baked
formatting of your posts - formatting that you have no control over... ?
FromTheRafters
May 3, 2013, 7:09:48 AM5/3/13
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mark lewis laid this down on his screen :
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no problems...
>
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you seem to be
> having with my posts... you don't explain anything about the problem but
> instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of participating in this
> area... why? i don't know...
Windows 98 causes brain damage.
> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no problems...
>
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you seem to be
> having with my posts... you don't explain anything about the problem but
> instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of participating in this
> area... why? i don't know...
Jax
May 3, 2013, 4:06:50 PM5/3/13
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Dustin <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsA1B3E530E881CB7...@127.0.0.1:
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in
> news:k0o2o8hlhunc33ara...@4ax.com:
> keyboard.
>
> Another possibility is a problem with the mouse.
>
> It could be an application error, but ... I'd check the keyboard/mouse
> first.
>
> While it's possible a virus? could be responsible, fwiw, I've never
> heard of this as a payload.
Dustin do you think the mouse has a virus? Just asking!
--
Jax
news:XnsA1B3E530E881CB7...@127.0.0.1:
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in
> news:k0o2o8hlhunc33ara...@4ax.com:
>
>> I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has anybody
>> heard of anything that does this?
>
> I've seen something like this happen before. It turned it to be a bad
>> I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has anybody
>> heard of anything that does this?
>
> keyboard.
>
> Another possibility is a problem with the mouse.
>
> It could be an application error, but ... I'd check the keyboard/mouse
> first.
>
> While it's possible a virus? could be responsible, fwiw, I've never
> heard of this as a payload.
Dustin do you think the mouse has a virus? Just asking!
--
Jax
mark lewis
May 3, 2013, 11:17:08 AM5/3/13
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> > Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> > "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
VG> Yes you do.
> > "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
no sir, i do not... i don't even use an usenet client at all in this
environment... i use a local sysop's editor that accesses my message bases
directly... the messages are not even in news format or transferred to my
system via the nntp protocol...
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
> problems...
20? is that all? geez you're a young'un ;)
VG> your posts are the only ones that I've ever seen not insert "Re:"
VG> into the subject line of a reply.
i can't help that... some editors do it and others do not... it is not required
by the specifications that i've ever seen...
VG> It should not be necessary to use threaded views to know at a
VG> glance which posts are original and which are replies.
agreed... one can also simply look at the reply's references line(s)... in my
editor, i see additional message numbers and i can easily CTRL-Left or
CTRL-Right to jump to them if i want to...
VG> I don't happen to like using threaded view - I prefer simple
VG> temporal (linear) view of posts in a given newsgroup.
as do it and i read the messages in the order in whech they arrived... not in
some sorted by date and time order as used to be done ;)
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
> seem to be having with my posts...
VG> client software
again, i am not using any type of usenet software at all... your problem stems
from an incorrect assumption and i can only try to educate you about why it is
incorrect...
VG> in comparison to otherwise universally-recognized standards that
VG> are adhered to by all "normal" usenet clients.
see above...
VG> That you access usenet from a FidoNet gateway should make no
VG> difference in terms of this conformity.
i do not access it /from/ a fidonet gateway, either... once the messages hit
the gateway, they are converted to FTN format and transferred to other FTN
systems using FTN technology... i read the messages on my own BBS and actually,
right now, i'm reading them from one of my FTN point systems...
VG> Or perhaps the gateway itself is responsible for the half-baked
VG> formatting of your posts - formatting that you have no control
VG> over... ?
i do not know what software the gateway system is using so i cannot respond to
that...
mark lewis
May 3, 2013, 11:18:28 AM5/3/13
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+ User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
> problems... >
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>
> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>
> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
> problems... >
> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts that VG is
going on about? this system is not running w98 and other systems i use are not
even using winwhatever anyway...
Mark Warner
May 3, 2013, 5:56:46 PM5/3/13
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On 05/03/2013 03:18 PM, mark lewis wrote:
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
>> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
>> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>>
>> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
>> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>>
>> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
>> problems... >
>> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
>> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
>> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
>> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
>
> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts that VG is
> going on about? this system is not running w98 and other systems i use are not
> even using winwhatever anyway...
The point is that VG is running W98:
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
>> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
>> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>>
>> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
>> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>>
>> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
>> problems... >
>> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
>> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
>> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
>> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
>
> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts that VG is
> going on about? this system is not running w98 and other systems i use are not
> even using winwhatever anyway...
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Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert "Re:" in
the subject line when you post a reply?
FromTheRafters
May 3, 2013, 6:54:50 PM5/3/13
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mark lewis wrote :
him.
[...]
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
>> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
>> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>>
>> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
>> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>>
>> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
>> problems... >
>> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
>> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
>> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
>> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
>
> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts that VG is
> going on about?
Nothing, but it does relate to how far you will get trying to educate
>> VG> Why do you use a stupid-ass usenet client that does not insert
>> VG> "Re:" in the subject line when you post a reply?
>>
>> 1. i do not use a "stupid-ass usenet client"
>> 2. prepending RE: to the subject is not required
>>
>> if you use threaded views, my messages should thread in with no
>> problems... >
>> other than that, i cannot help you with whatever problem it is you
>> seem to be having with my posts... you don't explain anything about
>> the problem but instead seem to be attacking me for for my method of
>> participating in this area... why? i don't know...
>
> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts that VG is
> going on about?
him.
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Virus Guy
May 3, 2013, 9:29:33 PM5/3/13
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> > what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> > that VG is going on about?
>
> Nothing, but it does relate to how far you will get trying to educate
> him.
What "education" do you speak of?
> > what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> > that VG is going on about?
>
> Nothing, but it does relate to how far you will get trying to educate
> him.
How is there any "education" involved with the idea that usenet replies
denote themselves with the presence of "Re:" in the subject line?
Are you defending his lack of using the "Re:" convention? Or do you
deny that it is even a convention at all?
mark lewis
May 3, 2013, 5:03:44 PM5/3/13
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> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> that VG is going on about? this system is not running w98 and other
> systems i use are not even using winwhatever anyway...
MW> The point is that VG is running W98:
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> that VG is going on about? this system is not running w98 and other
> systems i use are not even using winwhatever anyway...
AH!! yeah, i knew that... i just didn't think about it... you are right :LOL:
thanks for giving my head a shake ;)
mark lewis
May 3, 2013, 5:05:26 PM5/3/13
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> F> Windows 98 causes brain damage.
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> that VG is going on about?
F> Nothing, but it does relate to how far you will get trying to
>
> what does that have to do with the supposed problem with my posts
> that VG is going on about?
F> educate him.
thanks! mark warner set me straight :)
FWIW: if my w98 box hadn't shit the sheets a few years ago, i'd still be using
it, too... i'd have installed on a clean drive it only bad part was not being
able to get all the security updates that were available for it before m$ EoL'd
it... once they killed the downloads, they also killed the CDs you could buy...
oh well... w2k is better anyway ;) :lol:
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Mark Warner
May 3, 2013, 11:04:54 PM5/3/13
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On 05/03/2013 09:05 PM, mark lewis wrote:
>
> oh well... w2k is better anyway ;) :lol:
If Windows was still my daily driver, I'd probably still be using W2K
>
> oh well... w2k is better anyway ;) :lol:
too. Or at least I'd like to be able to. I don't care that MSFT no
longer supports it, but I suspect it would be hard to get recent
applications to run on it.
FromTheRafters
May 4, 2013, 7:46:11 AM5/4/13
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Virus Guy used his keyboard to write :
RFC-850 states:
2.1.6 Subject The Subject line (formerly "Title")
tells what the article is about. It should be suggestive
enough of the contents of the article to enable a reader
to make a decision whether to read the article based on
the subject alone. If the article is submitted in
response to another article (e.g., is a "followup") the
default subject should begin with the four characters
"Re: " and the References line is required. (The user
might wish to edit the subject of the followup, but the
default should begin with "Re: ".)
It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a Usenet
client.
2.1.6 Subject The Subject line (formerly "Title")
tells what the article is about. It should be suggestive
enough of the contents of the article to enable a reader
to make a decision whether to read the article based on
the subject alone. If the article is submitted in
response to another article (e.g., is a "followup") the
default subject should begin with the four characters
"Re: " and the References line is required. (The user
might wish to edit the subject of the followup, but the
default should begin with "Re: ".)
It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a Usenet
client.
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 2:01:57 AM5/4/13
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> i do not access it /from/ a fidonet gateway, either... once the
> messages hit the gateway, they are converted to FTN format and
> transferred to other FTN systems using FTN technology... i read the
> messages on my own BBS and actually, right now, i'm reading them from
> one of my FTN point systems...
D> You've totally lost him. You know that right? :)
> messages hit the gateway, they are converted to FTN format and
> transferred to other FTN systems using FTN technology... i read the
> messages on my own BBS and actually, right now, i'm reading them from
> one of my FTN point systems...
that's part of educating him... give them exposure to the terms and
procedures... then educate them to remove their ignorance ;)
> VG> Or perhaps the gateway itself is responsible for the half-baked
> VG> formatting of your posts - formatting that you have no control
> VG> over... ?
>
> i do not know what software the gateway system is using so i cannot
> respond to that...
hahaha... that was good wasn't it :) but seriously, i don't know what software
the gateway site is using... i know that it is different than the software my
own system uses for gating but i don't gate this area on my system because
someone else is already gating it...
i do gate a few other areas but the software doesn't take it upon itself to
modify the header fields or to add/remove RE: for example... it would be quite
stupid if the gateway did do that...
if the gateway looked for the references line, how could the software tell from
that if i was actually responding to the current thread or just using it as a
shortcut to starting a new thread (bad netiquette) with the same subject or
even a new thread with a new subject? since the gateway can't tell that, why
would it unceremoniously prefix RE: to every post going thru it? all the
gateway is is a "media convertor" ;)
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 2:02:41 AM5/4/13
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> oh well... w2k is better anyway ;) :lol:
MW> If Windows was still my daily driver, I'd probably still be using
MW> W2K too. Or at least I'd like to be able to. I don't care that
MW> MSFT no longer supports it, but I suspect it would be hard to get
MW> recent applications to run on it.
yep for the most part... there are a few methods avaiable to help those
damnable installers do the installs... they provide the missing/updated
procedure calls in replacement dlls which also call the original dlls to pass
the information on thru the system...
an example is flash... it is the installer that has dropped support for w2k...
flash itself still runs on w2k without the additional kernel dll shims...
another package that has the same problem uses a different installer... it is
freepascal or lazarus... i forget which... the damned installer dropped support
for w2k so one has to use kernel dll shims to provide the missing reoutines...
in some cases, it is possible to hex edit the installer and change the name of
the missing routine(s) to what was used originally... they are the same length
and the parameters are the same between them... then you don't need the shims
at all... doing the hex edit thing on the binary each time can be troublesome,
though...
in any case, i've removed all that stuff... no flash or java on this
workstation... no quicktime, realaudio, shockwave or even silverlight... if i
absolutely need to see something that uses that technology, i go to another
machine and use it from there... it is the safest way to be sure ;)
Virus Guy
May 4, 2013, 8:26:21 AM5/4/13
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> RFC-850 states:
>
> (...) If the article is submitted in response to another
period?
Why qualify it by saying Usenet Clients?
Why should it matter if what-ever he's using doesn't meet your criteria
of what constitutes a usenet client?
Where else are his posts being seen, other than here on usenet?
How can it NOT be a function of what-ever software he is using that it
doesn't pre-pend "Re: " to the subject line of a reply -> yet it
apparently does understand enough to add a reference line?
> RFC-850 states:
>
> (...) If the article is submitted in response to another
> article (e.g., is a "followup") the default subject should
> begin with the four characters "Re: " and the References
> line is required. (The user might wish to edit the subject
> of the followup, but the default should begin with "Re: ".)
> It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a
> Usenet client.
Isin't it more correct to say that It *is* a convention for Usenet -
> begin with the four characters "Re: " and the References
> line is required. (The user might wish to edit the subject
> of the followup, but the default should begin with "Re: ".)
> It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a
> Usenet client.
period?
Why qualify it by saying Usenet Clients?
Why should it matter if what-ever he's using doesn't meet your criteria
of what constitutes a usenet client?
Where else are his posts being seen, other than here on usenet?
How can it NOT be a function of what-ever software he is using that it
doesn't pre-pend "Re: " to the subject line of a reply -> yet it
apparently does understand enough to add a reference line?
Virus Guy
May 4, 2013, 8:42:50 AM5/4/13
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mark lewis wrote:
> if the gateway looked for the references line,
The gateway need do nothing other than inject your post into usenet. A
> if the gateway looked for the references line,
post that was properly constructed to begin with - such as having "Re: "
in the subject line of a reply.
> how could the software tell from that if i was actually responding
> to the current thread or just using it as a shortcut to starting a
> new thread (bad netiquette) with the same subject or even a new
> thread with a new subject?
insert "Re: " into the subject line of a post when I hit reply. Why
doesn't your software do that?
Where are your posts being seen - other than on usenet?
Does fidonet have this exact "alt.comp.anti-virus" group?
Is it against fidonet message-composition rules to pre-pend "Re: " to
the subject lines of replies?
As for your comment "well my software includes a reference line so that
should tell you it's a reply" -> No usenet client will show reference
lines until or unless you actually bring up the post itself. When
displaying the contents of a given group in a linear view, I'm not aware
of any usenet client that will show anything beyond the subject, author,
and date of the post.
And why does your software strip away any existing "Re: " in the subject
line when you reply to a reply?
How can you (or anyone else here who is being an appologist for you)
explain that?
It's one thing when your software doesn't add "Re: " when you reply to
the original (first) post of a thread. It's yet something else when
your software *removes* the "Re: " when you reply to replies.
How do you explain that?
FromTheRafters
May 4, 2013, 9:45:06 AM5/4/13
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It happens that Virus Guy formulated :
> mark lewis wrote:
>
>> if the gateway looked for the references line,
>
> The gateway need do nothing other than inject your post into usenet. A
> post that was properly constructed to begin with - such as having "Re: "
> in the subject line of a reply.
>
>> how could the software tell from that if i was actually responding
>> to the current thread or just using it as a shortcut to starting a
>> new thread (bad netiquette) with the same subject or even a new
>> thread with a new subject?
>
> My god-damn 12-year-old Netscape Communicator knows to automatically
> insert "Re: " into the subject line of a post when I hit reply. Why
> doesn't your software do that?
>
> Where are your posts being seen - other than on usenet?
>
> Does fidonet have this exact "alt.comp.anti-virus" group?
>
> Is it against fidonet message-composition rules to pre-pend "Re: " to
> the subject lines of replies?
>
> As for your comment "well my software includes a reference line so that
> should tell you it's a reply" -> No usenet client will show reference
> lines until or unless you actually bring up the post itself. When
> displaying the contents of a given group in a linear view, I'm not aware
> of any usenet client that will show anything beyond the subject, author,
> and date of the post.
MesNews has thirteen options for displaying in the treeview pane.
>
>> if the gateway looked for the references line,
>
> The gateway need do nothing other than inject your post into usenet. A
> post that was properly constructed to begin with - such as having "Re: "
> in the subject line of a reply.
>
>> how could the software tell from that if i was actually responding
>> to the current thread or just using it as a shortcut to starting a
>> new thread (bad netiquette) with the same subject or even a new
>> thread with a new subject?
>
> My god-damn 12-year-old Netscape Communicator knows to automatically
> insert "Re: " into the subject line of a post when I hit reply. Why
> doesn't your software do that?
>
> Where are your posts being seen - other than on usenet?
>
> Does fidonet have this exact "alt.comp.anti-virus" group?
>
> Is it against fidonet message-composition rules to pre-pend "Re: " to
> the subject lines of replies?
>
> As for your comment "well my software includes a reference line so that
> should tell you it's a reply" -> No usenet client will show reference
> lines until or unless you actually bring up the post itself. When
> displaying the contents of a given group in a linear view, I'm not aware
> of any usenet client that will show anything beyond the subject, author,
> and date of the post.
FromTheRafters
May 4, 2013, 9:52:51 AM5/4/13
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After serious thinking Virus Guy wrote :
I don't disagree with what you just wrote above, but if he were using
Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
Virus Guy
May 4, 2013, 10:03:14 AM5/4/13
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FromTheRafters used improper usenet message composition style by
unnecessarily full-quoting:
> > When displaying the contents of a given group in a linear view,
> > I'm not aware of any usenet client that will show anything beyond
> > the subject, author, and date of the post.
>
> MesNews has thirteen options for displaying in the treeview pane.
The tree-view mode will inherently show you the relationship between
posts (how they Reference each-other) regardless what tree-view-capable
reader you're using.
But I was talking about linear view, and how the information on the
Reference line of any given post is not viewable (or knowable) from a
linear view - no matter how many display columns your client has.
unnecessarily full-quoting:
> > When displaying the contents of a given group in a linear view,
> > I'm not aware of any usenet client that will show anything beyond
> > the subject, author, and date of the post.
>
> MesNews has thirteen options for displaying in the treeview pane.
posts (how they Reference each-other) regardless what tree-view-capable
reader you're using.
But I was talking about linear view, and how the information on the
Reference line of any given post is not viewable (or knowable) from a
linear view - no matter how many display columns your client has.
Virus Guy
May 4, 2013, 10:11:12 AM5/4/13
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FromTheRafters wrote:
> I don't disagree with what you just wrote above, but if he were using
> Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
> failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
It's one thing for his client software (which I think we know is not
> I don't disagree with what you just wrote above, but if he were using
> Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
> failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
telnet) to be ignorant of adding "Re: " to the subject line when
replying to the original (first) post of a thread.
It's quite another thing for that same software to STRIP AWAY "Re: "
when replying to a reply.
How would you explain that?
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 7:53:50 AM5/4/13
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> How is there any "education" involved with the idea that usenet replies
> denote themselves with the presence of "Re:" in the subject line?
>
> Are you defending his lack of using the "Re:" convention? Or do you
> deny that it is even a convention at all?
F> RFC-850 states:
> denote themselves with the presence of "Re:" in the subject line?
>
> Are you defending his lack of using the "Re:" convention? Or do you
> deny that it is even a convention at all?
i like this part at the very beginning of the document...
[quote]
[ This memo is distributed as an RFC only to make this
information easily accessible to researchers in the ARPA
community. It does not specify an Internet standard. ]
[/quote]
F> 2.1.6 Subject The Subject line (formerly "Title")
F> tells what the article is about. It should be suggestive
F> enough of the contents of the article to enable a reader
F> to make a decision whether to read the article based on
F> the subject alone. If the article is submitted in
F> response to another article (e.g., is a "followup") the
F> default subject should begin with the four characters
F> "Re: " and the References line is required. (The user
F> might wish to edit the subject of the followup, but the
F> default should begin with "Re: ".)
i also like the way it says "should" instead of "must" ;)
F> It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a
F> Usenet client.
this is correct... my current reader/editor is TimED as should be able to be
seen if my control lines make it thru the gateway's gating process... i'll be
checking on that later ;)
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 8:02:32 AM5/4/13
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> RFC-850 states:
>
> (...) If the article is submitted in response to another
> article (e.g., is a "followup") the default subject should
> begin with the four characters "Re: " and the References
> line is required. (The user might wish to edit the subject
> of the followup, but the default should begin with "Re: ".)
> It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a
> Usenet client.
VG> Isin't it more correct to say that It *is* a convention for Usenet
>
> (...) If the article is submitted in response to another
> article (e.g., is a "followup") the default subject should
> begin with the four characters "Re: " and the References
> line is required. (The user might wish to edit the subject
> of the followup, but the default should begin with "Re: ".)
> It *is* a convention for Usenet clients, but he is not using a
> Usenet client.
VG> - period?
nope...
VG> Why qualify it by saying Usenet Clients?
because usenet servers don't deal with things like this...
VG> Why should it matter if what-ever he's using doesn't meet your
VG> criteria of what constitutes a usenet client?
VG> Where else are his posts being seen, other than here on usenet?
errrmmmm... on Fidonet?
VG> How can it NOT be a function of what-ever software he is using that
VG> it doesn't pre-pend "Re: " to the subject line of a reply
because fidonet clients are not all programmed to add the "Re: " fluff to the
subject lines... it is not needed and serves no techinical purpose...
VG> yet it apparently does understand enough to add a reference line?
my client doesn't know what a Message-ID: or References line is so it does not
generate them at all... Fidonet uses MSGID and REPLY lines for message
identification and reply linking... these are used by the gating software to
generate the Message-ID: and References: lines... however, Fidonet also does
NOT require that MSGID or REPLY lines be used... they are add-ons to the
Fidonet message specifications... but if MSGID is created, then REPLY must also
be used in reply posts... in other words, one cannot support half of the
MSGID/REPLY specification...
you can find Fidonet's Message specifications at the FTSC (Fidonet Technical
Standards Committee) web site, ftsc.org... FTS-0009 is the one for MSGID/REPLY
lines... FTS-0004 is the one for basic Fidonet message formats...
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 8:57:02 AM5/4/13
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> if the gateway looked for the references line,
VG> The gateway need do nothing other than inject your post into
VG> usenet.
the gateway has to format the postings to fit the specification of the
destination network... from this side, that is usenet being the destination...
VG> A post that was properly constructed to begin with - such
VG> as having "Re: " in the subject line of a reply.
my posts are properly constructed... read the RFCs, my friend... they allow for
this...
> how could the software tell from that if i was actually responding
> to the current thread or just using it as a shortcut to starting a
> new thread (bad netiquette) with the same subject or even a new
> thread with a new subject?
there is no reason to cuss me is there?
VG> automatically insert "Re: " into the subject line of a post when I
VG> hit reply. Why doesn't your software do that?
because "Re: " is OPTIONAL.. read the RFC... the operative word is "should"...
"should" is not spelled "M U S T"... i also suggest you look at RFC-2119... in
particular, this section...
[quote]
1. MUST This word, or the terms "REQUIRED" or "SHALL", mean that the
definition is an absolute requirement of the specification.
2. MUST NOT This phrase, or the phrase "SHALL NOT", mean that the
definition is an absolute prohibition of the specification.
3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
carefully weighed before choosing a different course.
4. SHOULD NOT This phrase, or the phrase "NOT RECOMMENDED" mean that
there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances when the
particular behavior is acceptable or even useful, but the full
implications should be understood and the case carefully weighed
before implementing any behavior described with this label.
5. MAY This word, or the adjective "OPTIONAL", mean that an item is
truly optional. One vendor may choose to include the item because a
particular marketplace requires it or because the vendor feels that
it enhances the product while another vendor may omit the same item.
An implementation which does not include a particular option MUST be
prepared to interoperate with another implementation which does
include the option, though perhaps with reduced functionality. In the
same vein an implementation which does include a particular option
MUST be prepared to interoperate with another implementation which
does not include the option (except, of course, for the feature the
option provides.)
[/quote]
VG> Where are your posts being seen - other than on usenet?
uuhhh... Fidonet??
VG> Does fidonet have this exact "alt.comp.anti-virus" group?
you've been told that this group is being gated to fidonet so yes, fidonet has
this exact group... on this side, the echotag for this area is
ALT-COMP-ANTI-VIRUS... what's your point?
VG> Is it against fidonet message-composition rules to pre-pend "Re: "
VG> to the subject lines of replies?
i've been telling you since you brought this up that "Re: " is OPTIONAL in both
networks... do i need to write it slower so you can understand it easier? i'm
not trying to be an ass here... i am, however, trying to educate you about
something that you are apparently ignorant of...
additional, i'm trying understand why you are attacking me all of a sudden...
did you run out of other things to do so you figure you'll stir up some shit
and you chose me as the target?
VG> As for your comment "well my software includes a reference line so
VG> that should tell you it's a reply" -> No usenet client will show
VG> reference lines until or unless you actually bring up the post
VG> itself.
wrong... i have news client software that will show all the header lines
without pulling the message body... the headers are pulled first so they are
available for whatever purposes as desired... the bodies of the messages the
user chooses to read are pulled later when the users selects those messages for
reading or saving to disk...
VG> When displaying the contents of a given group in a linear
VG> view, I'm not aware of any usenet client that will show anything
VG> beyond the subject, author, and date of the post.
i can't help that you are not aware of such... i can't say one way or the other
if i am... it is not something i've gone looking for... it is not something
that i've had a need for, either... i suspect the same actually goes for you as
well...
VG> And why does your software strip away any existing "Re: " in the
VG> subject line when you reply to a reply?
AFAIK it does not but i will check that out especially for you... i will say,
though, that if it is, it is because "Re: " is not required... if it were
absolutely required, then the gateway software would ensure it was there to
meet the specifications... it would do this by detecting the REPLY and/or
References line as i noted before...
[edit] my reader/editor's documentation makes no mention of "Re: " at all...
nothing about adding it to or stripping it from replies... [/edit]
VG> How can you (or anyone else here who is being an appologist for
VG> you) explain that?
no one here is being an apologist for me... obviously you just aren't as
knowledgable as you think you are... i can only try to educate you in those
areas where you are ignorant and i am knowledgable...
VG> It's one thing when your software doesn't add "Re: " when you reply
VG> to the original (first) post of a thread. It's yet something else
VG> when your software *removes* the "Re: " when you reply to replies.
VG> How do you explain that?
"Re: " is not required... since it is not required, it may or may not be added
or stripped... now, let me ask you if it is wrong for a user to manually add or
remove "RE: " from an article's subject line?
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 9:39:30 AM5/4/13
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> I don't disagree with what you just wrote above, but if he were using
> Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
> failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
VG> It's one thing for his client software (which I think we know is
> Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client for the
> failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP "protocol".
VG> not telnet)
you are correct... telnet is a protocol ;)
VG> to be ignorant of adding "Re: " to the subject line when replying
VG> to the original (first) post of a thread.
VG> It's quite another thing for that same software to STRIP AWAY "Re:
VG> " when replying to a reply.
VG> How would you explain that?
because the editor or gateway software is coded to do that? makes sense to me
since "RE: " is not required...
mark lewis
May 4, 2013, 9:36:49 AM5/4/13
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> How can it NOT be a function of what-ever software he is using that it
> doesn't pre-pend "Re: " to the subject line of a reply -> yet it
> apparently does understand enough to add a reference line?
F> I don't disagree with what you just wrote above, but if he were
> doesn't pre-pend "Re: " to the subject line of a reply -> yet it
> apparently does understand enough to add a reference line?
F> using Telnet to post - *I* wouldn't be blaming his Telnet client
F> for the failure to comply to NNTP "convention" as opposed to NNTP
F> "protocol".
*APPLAUSE* i have been known to do just that, too... especially to show
someone that what they thought they knew wasn't as accurate as they believed it
to be... i've made more than one person's mouth drop open while the watched
over my shoulder when i've done things like that... especially sending email
via telnet ;) :)
Jax
May 4, 2013, 4:30:05 PM5/4/13
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Dustin <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:XnsA1B5EAB0A1652B7...@127.0.0.1:
> Jax <do.not.remov...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA1B5D6C8B...@127.0.0.1:
>
>> Dustin <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:XnsA1B3E530E881CB7...@127.0.0.1:
>>
>>> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in
>>> news:k0o2o8hlhunc33ara...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has
>>>> anybody heard of anything that does this?
>>>
>>> I've seen something like this happen before. It turned it to be a bad
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> Another possibility is a problem with the mouse.
>>>
>>> It could be an application error, but ... I'd check the keyboard/mouse
>>> first.
>>>
>>> While it's possible a virus? could be responsible, fwiw, I've never
>>> heard of this as a payload.
>>
>> Dustin do you think the mouse has a virus? Just asking!
>
> Nope. I know you don't understand english words well tho.
>
Dustin you've posted a lot recently..... have you not been fitting solar
panels? Just wondering! :)
--
Jax
news:XnsA1B5EAB0A1652B7...@127.0.0.1:
> Jax <do.not.remov...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:XnsA1B5D6C8B...@127.0.0.1:
>
>> Dustin <bughunte...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:XnsA1B3E530E881CB7...@127.0.0.1:
>>
>>> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in
>>> news:k0o2o8hlhunc33ara...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> I'm going to get him to run a virus scan, but meanwhile... has
>>>> anybody heard of anything that does this?
>>>
>>> I've seen something like this happen before. It turned it to be a bad
>>> keyboard.
>>>
>>> Another possibility is a problem with the mouse.
>>>
>>> It could be an application error, but ... I'd check the keyboard/mouse
>>> first.
>>>
>>> While it's possible a virus? could be responsible, fwiw, I've never
>>> heard of this as a payload.
>>
>> Dustin do you think the mouse has a virus? Just asking!
>
> Nope. I know you don't understand english words well tho.
>
Dustin you've posted a lot recently..... have you not been fitting solar
panels? Just wondering! :)
--
Jax
Virus Guy
May 5, 2013, 10:33:39 AM5/5/13
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mark lewis wrote:
> > Isin't it more correct to say that It *is* a convention for Usenet
> > - period?
> > Isin't it more correct to say that It *is* a convention for Usenet
>
> nope...
When the RFC states that "Re: " SHOULD be used for replies, how can that
not be interpreted as a convention?
As in Conventional Use.
I don't know how much of usenet you experience (or have ever
experienced) using a "conventional" news reader, connected to the real
internet, pulling postings from a real NNTP server, but if you ever have
- you would be very hard pressed to find any replies in any newsgroup
that don't use "Re: ".
And they also properly identify the person being replied to. Your posts
do not do that.
Note how this post begins with "mark lewis wrote:".
Virus Guy
May 5, 2013, 10:49:28 AM5/5/13
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mark lewis wrote:
> my posts are properly constructed... read the RFCs
Look.
> my posts are properly constructed... read the RFCs
We know you're here because fidonet is dying. There are not enough
people using fidonet to make for interesting discussions. Hence the
usenet gateway.
Fidonet has long outlived its usefulness as a file and message-transport
method given the practical and complete spread of broadband (and even
dial-up) internet connectivity.
You, Mark Lewis, has internet connectivity. Directly - not through
fidonet. I can say that with practical certainty.
So let go of your sad affiliation with fidonet, get yourself a real
usenet client, point it at any one of a number of free usenet servers,
and start experiencing usenet the proper, normal way.
Virus Guy
May 5, 2013, 11:05:28 AM5/5/13
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mark lewis wrote:
> you are correct... telnet is a protocol ;)
It's also a piece of software you numb nut. One that allows packet
> you are correct... telnet is a protocol ;)
connectivity on ports other than telnet.
> > It's quite another thing for that same software to STRIP AWAY "Re:
> > " when replying to a reply.
>
>
> > How would you explain that?
>
> because the editor or gateway software is coded to do that? makes
> sense to me since "RE: " is not required...
So you can't understand the difference between "not required" and
>
> because the editor or gateway software is coded to do that? makes
> sense to me since "RE: " is not required...
"prohibited"?
You can't have it both ways.
If you insist that your fidonet software is adhearing to usenet RFC
specs by not automatically inserting Re: into the subject line when you
reply to an original post, there is no possible reason why it should
strip it out EVEN IF THE USER WANTS IT THERE or if it ->ALREADY EXISTS<-
in the case where you are replying to a reply. You can't logically
argue that that behavior of your software is both rational and
desirable.
Your software is making a special effort TO REMOVE "Re:" when it finds
when you reply to a reply. There is no usenet RFC that states that that
behavior is allowed, recommended, desirable or even considered.
mark lewis
May 5, 2013, 10:10:13 PM5/5/13
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> you are correct... telnet is a protocol ;)
VG> It's also a piece of software you numb nut.
PLONK
mark lewis
May 5, 2013, 9:59:10 PM5/5/13
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> > Isin't it more correct to say that It *is* a convention for Usenet
> > - period?
>
> nope...
VG> When the RFC states that "Re: " SHOULD be used for replies, how can
> > - period?
>
> nope...
VG> that not be interpreted as a convention?
i pointed you toward the relevent document... please read it...
VG> I don't know how much of usenet you experience (or have ever
VG> experienced)
my system has been on the 'net since the days of UUCP transfers and bang
paths... i've been on it longer than that...
VG> using a "conventional" news reader, connected to the real
VG> internet, pulling postings from a real NNTP server, but if you
VG> ever have - you would be very hard pressed to find any replies in
VG> any newsgroup that don't use "Re: ".
[shrug]
VG> And they also properly identify the person being replied to. Your
VG> posts do not do that.
my posts leave my system with a TO: field in them indicating exactly who i am
replying to... can i help it if news is broken in such a way that it has no TO:
field in it? ;) :P
VG> Note how this post begins with "mark lewis wrote:".
i specifically do not use any of those and have them disabled in all of my
messaging software... even my newsreaders (eg: xnews, slrn, pan and a couple of
others)... they are of little use since the header should contain all the
information necessary... if one stops to think about news and why it is called
news, they will also understand why there is no TO: field as well as
understanding that these posts are articles like one would read in a
newspaper... thus the terms "news" and "articles"... you don't see articles in
the dead tree publications that start off with those attribution lines, do you?
;) ;) ;)
Virus Guy
May 6, 2013, 5:31:38 PM5/6/13
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mark lewis, who is now in my kill-file, wrote:
> > When the RFC states that "Re: " SHOULD be used for replies, how can
> > When the RFC states that "Re: " SHOULD be used for replies, how can
> > that not be interpreted as a convention?
>
> i pointed you toward the relevent document... please read it...
Can't answer a simple question.
>
> i pointed you toward the relevent document... please read it...
> > And they also properly identify the person being replied to.
>
> my posts leave my system with a TO: field in them indicating
> exactly who i am replying to... can i help it if news is broken
What kind of moron are you, exactly?
> my posts leave my system with a TO: field in them indicating
> exactly who i am replying to... can i help it if news is broken
The TO field is for e-mail, you door knob.
For usenet, the recipient of any post is THE NEWSGROUP YOU ARE POSTING
TO.
> > Note how this post begins with "mark lewis wrote:".
>
> i specifically do not use any of those and have them disabled in
> all of my messaging software... even my newsreaders (eg: xnews,
> slrn, pan and a couple of others)... they are of little use
> since the header should contain all the information necessary...
unconventional kook.
Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying. That's why
you're here. And you're pissed about it - that's why you did not
respond to my last post about the death of fidonet.
Mark Warner
May 6, 2013, 6:03:35 PM5/6/13
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On 05/06/2013 05:31 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
>
> Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying. That's why
> you're here. And you're pissed about it - that's why you did not
> respond to my last post about the death of fidonet.
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
>
> Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying. That's why
> you're here. And you're pissed about it - that's why you did not
> respond to my last post about the death of fidonet.
mark lewis
May 6, 2013, 9:00:39 PM5/6/13
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MW> From: Mark Warner <mhwarner.i...@gmail.com>
MW> On 05/06/2013 05:31 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
[...]
MW> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
it is rather cute, isn't it :)
he musta known he'd lost the discussion/debate/argument when he started calling
me names... that's always the first sign that someone has lost :)
it is even funnier how he tries to bait me yet i'm supposedly in his
killfile... oh well...
Mark Warner
May 7, 2013, 12:09:53 PM5/7/13
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On 05/03/2013 10:45 PM, Dustin wrote:
>
> That sounds like something sticking on the keyboard or mouse.
That does seem to be the consensus. It's a laptop. Used hard. And it's
probably pretty old, since it's running XP and Office 2003.
The OP seems to have vanished. Guess he wasn't told what he wanted to hear.
>
> That sounds like something sticking on the keyboard or mouse.
That does seem to be the consensus. It's a laptop. Used hard. And it's
probably pretty old, since it's running XP and Office 2003.
The OP seems to have vanished. Guess he wasn't told what he wanted to hear.
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(PeteCresswell)
May 7, 2013, 4:51:11 PM5/7/13
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Per Mark Warner:
The task now is selling the user on acquiring/using a USB keyboard/mouse
for the next year or so.
--
Pete Cresswell
>That does seem to be the consensus. It's a laptop. Used hard. And it's
>probably pretty old, since it's running XP and Office 2003.
>
>The OP seems to have vanished. Guess he wasn't told what he wanted to hear.
OP's still here. And he's on board with what's been said so far.
>probably pretty old, since it's running XP and Office 2003.
>
>The OP seems to have vanished. Guess he wasn't told what he wanted to hear.
The task now is selling the user on acquiring/using a USB keyboard/mouse
for the next year or so.
--
Pete Cresswell
Mark Warner
May 7, 2013, 4:56:55 PM5/7/13
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computer. <shrug>
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
Virus Guy
May 7, 2013, 8:13:08 PM5/7/13
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Mark Warner wrote:
> > Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying.
>
> > Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying.
>
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
And look at how much of today's Win32 landscape I can still experience.
Now go and ask the typical Win-XP user back in 2003 - 2006 if he was
satisfied with his computing experience...
Now go ask someone who just bought a new WinTel computer if they're
happy with Windoze 8.
Even Macro$haft has admitted their failure with Windblows 8. Even when
given a monopoly position in the desktop and laptop space, even given
that they avoid competing with themselves by embargoing previous OS
versions from public retail accessibily, they still manage to make an
ass out of themselves.
Sometimes newer isin't better.
If you want to compare Fidonet to something - compare it to DOS.
(PeteCresswell)
May 7, 2013, 8:19:34 PM5/7/13
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Per Mark Warner:
Even so, they could probably swing it if they were convinced that was
the problem. OTOH, a new PC means a couple weeks of intermittent
hassles until they get set up the way they want.
--
Pete Cresswell
>You'd think a hard charging bond trader would be able to afford a new
>computer. <shrug>
The company is in a state of extreme contraction right now.
>computer. <shrug>
Even so, they could probably swing it if they were convinced that was
the problem. OTOH, a new PC means a couple weeks of intermittent
hassles until they get set up the way they want.
--
Pete Cresswell
Mark Warner
May 7, 2013, 8:40:48 PM5/7/13
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On 05/07/2013 08:13 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
> Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>> Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying.
>> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
>
> And look at how much of today's Win32 landscape I can still experience.
[snipped non-sequiturs]
> Mark Warner wrote:
>
>>> Go back to fidonet. Oh, that's right - fidonet is dying.
>> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
>
> And look at how much of today's Win32 landscape I can still experience.
Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with full and
proper attributions?
Mark Warner
May 7, 2013, 9:06:42 PM5/7/13
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you can out of a computer. But you can only expect to get so much use
out of a piece of machinery. If it's that critical to their operation
and is showing signs of hardware failure of any sort, it wouldn't be
smart to put off the inevitable. While there are no guarantees in life,
I stand behind my diagnosis. If they don't trust your (our) opinion,
then it's time to move on.
Virus Guy
May 7, 2013, 9:17:09 PM5/7/13
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Mark Warner wrote:
> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with full
> and proper attributions?
Why don't you tell me?
> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with full
> and proper attributions?
Mark Warner
May 7, 2013, 10:42:22 PM5/7/13
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Virus Guy
May 7, 2013, 11:14:25 PM5/7/13
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Mark Warner wrote:
> >> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with full
> >> and proper attributions?
> >
> > Why don't you tell me?
>
> Didn't look like it upthread.
You don't see this in the header of my previous post?
> >> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with full
> >> and proper attributions?
> >
> > Why don't you tell me?
>
> Didn't look like it upthread.
References:
<51866DC3...@Guy.com> <0002...@net396.fidonet.org>
<5188213A...@Guy.com> <km99bn$2e0$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
<51899894...@Guy.com> <kmc6ug$qso$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
???
Or, as links:
news://nntp.aioe.org/51866DC3.E6E93DD4%40Guy.com
news://nntp.aioe.org/000202fe%40net396.fidonet.org
news://nntp.aioe.org/5188213A.27276D64%40Guy.com
news://nntp.aioe.org/km99bn%242e0%241%40speranza.aioe.org
news://nntp.aioe.org/51899894.6DE5239D%40Guy.com
news://nntp.aioe.org/kmc6ug%24qso%241%40speranza.aioe.org
All work for me. Should also work for you too.
> PEBKAC error?
On your end maybe...
mark lewis
May 7, 2013, 4:08:12 PM5/7/13
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D> Virus Guy <Vi...@Guy.com> wrote in news:5185024A...@Guy.com:
VG> My god-damn 12-year-old Netscape Communicator knows to
VG> automatically insert "Re: " into the subject line of a post when I
VG> hit reply. Why doesn't your software do that?
D> His "god damn" xxx software probably has 10+ years on that...
close... the date on the binary is 1995 ;)
VG> Where are your posts being seen - other than on usenet?
D> A bbs. likely, a network of them.
yep!
VG> And why does your software strip away any existing "Re: " in the
VG> subject line when you reply to a reply?
D> Space limits. Not something you'd understand based on your questions
D> so far.
yeah, those limits are actually not of much concern any more but they were at
one time... not for me, so much, but back in the day when all this stuff was
being developed to allow folks to communicate and evolve into what we have
today...
> How do you explain that?
D> You don't know what a BBS is? :)
obviously he doesn't have a clue... he must have been bored, too... i can't
think of any other reason why he would suddenly attack me when i've done
nothing to anyone here and have only been helpful to others... oh well... the
world is full of folks afflicted with rectal-cranial inversion syndrome or the
well known "ID 10 T" syndrome... doctors haven't been able to find a cure for
either one but they keep practising and trying :)
mark lewis
May 8, 2013, 3:19:53 PM5/8/13
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MW> On 05/07/2013 09:17 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
VG> Mark Warner wrote:
MW>>
MW>> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with
MW>> full and proper attributions?
VG>
VG> Why don't you tell me?
MW> Didn't look like it upthread. PEBKAC error?
and he thinks that references control lines are attribution? :LOLOLOLOL:
[rhetorical]
why don't proper usenet (or even email) tools place the quoted poster's
initials in the quotes? fidonet has been doing that for years...
i won't even mention that fidonet has been using the internet before it was the
internet to transport fidonet traffic... that would be back in the 1985-1995 or
so era... it is how europe and australia were fed for a long time... that's not
even counting the other three zones (S.America, Africa, or Asia)...
Zone 1 - North America
Zone 2 - Europe
Zone 3 - Australia
Zone 4 - South America
Zone 5 - Africa
Zone 6 - Asia
[/rhetorical]
BTW: the proper quote initials have been added to the above as well ;) ;) ;)
Mark Warner
May 9, 2013, 11:18:02 AM5/9/13
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On 5/8/2013 7:19 PM, mark lewis wrote:
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
> MW> From: Mark Warner <mhwarner.i...@gmail.com>
>
> MW> On 05/07/2013 09:17 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
> VG> Mark Warner wrote:
> MW>>
> MW>> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with
> MW>> full and proper attributions?
> VG>
> VG> Why don't you tell me?
>
> MW> Didn't look like it upthread. PEBKAC error?
>
> and he thinks that references control lines are attribution? :LOLOLOLOL:
Yeah, that didn't even merit a response. I'll just let it sit there in
> + User FidoNet address: 1:3634/12.42
> MW> From: Mark Warner <mhwarner.i...@gmail.com>
>
> MW> On 05/07/2013 09:17 PM, Virus Guy wrote:
> VG> Mark Warner wrote:
> MW>>
> MW>> Is that antique Netscape of yours not capable of posting with
> MW>> full and proper attributions?
> VG>
> VG> Why don't you tell me?
>
> MW> Didn't look like it upthread. PEBKAC error?
>
> and he thinks that references control lines are attribution? :LOLOLOLOL:
all its glory for all to see.
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