Who Draws a Sleek Batman?
Wretch
(I'm 29, and when I was young I collected the old Neal Adams
classics).
I tuned out right around the time when Miller submitted his
monstrously blobby version of Batman in 1986 or so. So, spurred
by my recently renewed interest in Batman, I went to my local
comic shop to see what was out there these days. Based only on
the art, I can't say I was tremendously impressed. The Batmans
I saw either looked cartoonish or excessively muscular, like
Schwarznegger in underoos.
I have no desire to see new generations of Adams clones. I
respect people with their own visions and inspirations, however
different (but it doesn't mean I have to like it!). However,
I don't like fat Batmans, nor Batmans with muscles bursting out
of their ears. Does anyone draw a cool, lean version of Batman
anymore, with some connection to the actual physique of most
human beings?
Thanks,
AC
BWP
Anglki74
Paul Mc Cormack
Anglki74 wrote in message <19990901104304...@ng-co1.aol.com>...
> i like nolans batman its pretty sleek
Barry Kitson
Wretch
In which particular mags do Nolan and Kitson strut their
stuff?
AC
Loren Di Iorio
: Paul wrote:
: > Anglki74 wrote
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: >> i like nolans batman its pretty sleek
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: > Barry Kitson
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: In which particular mags do Nolan and Kitson strut their stuff?
Graham Nolan used to work on Tec, from around #687-718 or so, and I think
Kitson worked on Azrael.
...Loren
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>anymore, with some connection to the actual physique of most
>human beings?
For me, Norm Breyfogle is still my definitive Batman artist.
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> AC,
> i am 31 and I also grew up with Batman in the 70s. I must admit that I still
> prefer the Adams, rogers, and even John Byrne versions. The only one I have
> seen lately that I liked was Todd Mcfarlane's version in YEAR TWO in detective
> comics.
> I thought and still think, that Kelly Jones
> should be hung for his disgusting attempts at drawing the dark knight.
>
> Randy
Sounds like we're in the same ballpark. I'll hunt down the
Mcfarlane works on your suggestion.
One thing that strikes me about the new-fangled Batman sketchers
is the lack of detail in their drawings. Remember when Mort Drucker
of Mad Magazine was in his prime, and how those movie spoofs were
stuffed with absurd little details and in-jokes from the first to
the last panel? Well, now that Drucker is older and less energetic,
there's a hell of a lot more blank space between the characters and
objects of each panel, and the detail of the caricatures is far less
meticulous. This is about the best analogy I can draw that expresses my
sentiments about the new wave of Batman artists (for instance, Dean
Zachery's work in "Batman: Day of Judgement"). But they don't have
the excuse of age like old man Drucker. Maybe I just need to get used
to the new style, but I can't help suspecting that either laziness or a
lack of talent plays a large role in it. And please, for God's sake, no
more ridiculous visions of Batman as some half-assed spawn of Lou
Ferrigno. Batman is cool and muscularly lean, not some bulbous,
chocolate cake chompin' fatty (hey to Frank Miller).
AC
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Amanatullah
RWIG30 wrote in message <19990902205153...@ng-ck1.aol.com>...
I think you should shot by the firing squad for being so small-minded.
Jones' version was a deliberate world away from the classic Adams
incarnation. It was as deliberately expressionistic as "The Cabinet Of
Doctor Caligari,"--there are of course some major drawbacks, such as Jones'
failure to be anywhere near consistent, but after the third-rate, dull
artwork of Aparo and ilk, Jones' idiosyncrasy was a breath of fresh air. His
version of Batman is the best of
the-weird-and-grostesque-creature-of-the-night category.
IA
Neil4161
From: "Amanatullah" amana...@worldnet.att.net
Date: Tue, 07 September 1999 01:41 AM EDT
Message-id: <7r289i$6sl$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
I tend to disagree. I'm not heavily into stylistic artists who do
impressionistic work. They seem to, as other critics explain, be lazy. Kelley
Jones, at first a Berni Wrightson clone, has become so grptesque, I can't tell
the heroes from the villians visually.
My favorite Batman artists are: Marshall Rogers (who had a feel of art deco and
great architectural rendering), the late Don Newton (especially his Dick Sprang
homage shots), Brian Bolland(tight artist), Kevin Nowlan, Neal Adams (very
realistic), Jose Luis Garcia Lopez (very emotional artist) and Jim Aparo (a
very underrated storyteller and page designer).
Neil Hansen
Amanatullah
Neil4161 wrote in message <19990908230759...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
><< Subject: Re: Who Draws a Sleek Batman?
>I tend to disagree. I'm not heavily into stylistic artists who do
>impressionistic work. They seem to, as other critics explain, be lazy.
Nonsense. Isn't far easier to go for a realistic style than to enhance
reality? I've seen Jones' other work for companies like Marvel and it's
generally more restrained and realistic.
Kelley
>Jones, at first a Berni Wrightson clone, has become so grptesque, I can't
tell
>the heroes from the villians visually.
I have a very easy time telling them apart. Batman is a grotesque character,
inhabits a grotesque world, and thus can be drawn that way. Coming after
Aparo's increasingly awful work and the dreariness of Manley's, Jones'
Batman was a positive breath of fresh air. I'm sorry people seem to get so
hung up whenever someone doesn't conform to the usual modes.
IA
Wretch
> Kelley
> >Jones, at first a Berni Wrightson clone, has become so grptesque, I can't
> tell
> >the heroes from the villians visually.
>
> I have a very easy time telling them apart. Batman is a grotesque character,
> inhabits a grotesque world, and thus can be drawn that way. Coming after
> Aparo's increasingly awful work and the dreariness of Manley's, Jones'
> Batman was a positive breath of fresh air. I'm sorry people seem to get so
> hung up whenever someone doesn't conform to the usual modes.
Well now, isn't that a convenient generalization? Is it possible
that Aparo's Batman didn't conform to YOUR vision of the Dark
Knight, thence completely accounting for your thorough distaste
for his work? I think not -- that sort of view is very condescending.
I happen to dislike Jones's work because I find it inelegant and
ugly. I feel the same way about Monet paintings, but it's not because
I can't "handle" (or don't understand) impressionism, or am wholly
averse to novel styles. I find blotchy impressionism ugly and unmoving.
You don't. Fine, but don't pretend that those who dislike Jones just
don't get it, as if your artistic sensibilities are somehow more finely
tuned and versatile merely because you appreciate the work of someone
who a lot of people don't particularly like.
AC
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a...@astro.columbia.edu (Wretch) wrote:
> I happen to dislike Jones's work because I find it inelegant and
> ugly.
While I don't feel very strongly either way (I rarely buy a book purely
on the basis of an art team, occasionally steering clear of certain
combinations of penciller and inker), Jones' work on Batman: Red Rain
was a major influence in bringing me back to comics. What you say about
his inelegance is true up to a point, but his work has a lot of energy
and movement in it. It's not traditional physiques, and certainly I'm
not a great fan of his facial positionings, but it does work beautifully
in certain circumstances. His Spectre two-parter around Batman 540 was
brilliant, as is the Batman/Dracula trilogy.
I love Aparo's traditional style as well - the drawings from classic
artists who can still cut it in the modern world of computer-enhanced
visuals and colours is what draws me to the MC2 line, Avengers and many
Batman books.
> don't pretend that those who dislike Jones just don't get it
One way of seeing this is that those who don't like *anything* aren't
getting it - the value of media like art isn't intrinsic, it's a
personal perspective.
> AC
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Neil4161
Date: Mon, 13 September 1999 12:56 AM EDT
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Neil4161 wrote in message <19990908230759...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
><< Subject: Re: Who Draws a Sleek Batman?
>I tend to disagree. I'm not heavily into stylistic artists who do
>impressionistic work. They seem to, as other critics explain, be lazy.
Nonsense. Isn't far easier to go for a realistic style than to enhance
reality? I've seen Jones' other work for companies like Marvel and it's
generally more restrained and realistic.
Kelley
>Jones, at first a Berni Wrightson clone, has become so grptesque, I can't
tell
>the heroes from the villians visually.
I have a very easy time telling them apart. Batman is a grotesque character,
inhabits a grotesque world, and thus can be drawn that way. Coming after
Aparo's increasingly awful work and the dreariness of Manley's, Jones'
Batman was a positive breath of fresh air. I'm sorry people seem to get so
hung up whenever someone doesn't conform to the usual modes.
IA >>
I must disagree that realistic is lazy. It actually takes a great deal more
effort to be concerned about anatomy, perspective and composition. You can be
stylistic whithin those parameters. I don't care for Kelley Jones' stylization
of the caped crusader, but that's me. Flash seems to be a tendency in today's
market, hence the popularity of Todd McFarlane, J. Scott Campbell and Joe
Madueira. I appreciate the more realistic material. While you believe Jim Aparo
is bland, he invites an artist more into a scene than Jones does using very
interesting camera angles, many times placing them behind the head or using an
oblique angle to guide the reader's eye through a page. There are some very
talented stylists that have rendered the Batman, most notably Frank Miller. I
guess my perspective is differnt than most fans, but examine his work in terms
of movement and page design. You might appreciate him more in that regard. His
material is a little blander, but to my mind it is still solid storytelling.
Neil again
Shaun Pendergast
most. love his stuff. I'de read a Batman comic by Timm, over any other
artist...ever! I like Timm for a couple of reasons. In his style,
everything is reduced...there's nothing complicated to struggle over
while reading.
Although it is "reduced", it's not cheap looking. Sure it's cartoony,
but it gives things more characture, you know when someone is mad, angy,
frightend, happy...ect. It's fun to look at. He has the PERFECT
combonation of comic and toon. If I had my way, Bruce Timm would be the
head artist for one of the Bat books!
Then there would be Mike Mingola. But that's a different thread!
-Shaun
Neil4161
From: pen...@webtv.net (Shaun Pendergast)
Date: Thu, 16 September 1999 09:27 PM EDT
Message-id: <28551-37...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>
-Shaun
>>
Bruce Timm? Yes, that's a pretty darn good idea. His work on Batman: Black and
White (reminiscent of European comic artists) and mad Love were stylistic, yet
extremely cleanand slick. Timm is also a decent storyteller. That could
definitely work. Mignola has moments, but I always nitpick with his
proportions. My favorite work of his was the Topps' Dracula movie adaptation.
Neil
Amanatullah
Wretch wrote in message <37DD11...@astro.columbia.edu>...
>Well now, isn't that a convenient generalization? Is it possible
>that Aparo's Batman didn't conform to YOUR vision of the Dark
>Knight, thence completely accounting for your thorough distaste
>for his work?
Bull. I like Batman dark but like him equally well when drawn by other
artists like Bruce Timm or Neal Adams. My problem with Aparo's Batman is
that it's basically a poor variant of Adams', and I've found his work to
have been going downhill. His placement of characters, perspective and
lay-outs all seem doddering, and his work in general seems to me to be quite
numbing.
>I think not -- that sort of view is very condescending.
And your view of my view is off by several yards.
>I happen to dislike Jones's work because I find it inelegant and
>ugly. I feel the same way about Monet paintings, but it's not because
>I can't "handle" (or don't understand) impressionism, or am wholly
>averse to novel styles. I find blotchy impressionism ugly and unmoving.
Ah, well, I'm so very very sorry you weren't moved. I wouldn't consider
Monet one of my favorite artists, but I've always found his work to posess a
certain relaxing beauty--it certainly doesn't have much in common with
Jones' drawings. As for blotchiness, I guess that's a valid description--to
me look as though viewed throuh a haze of sunlight. I don't find Jones' work
ugly--grotesque maybe, but there's a certain form of mishappen beauty in the
grotesque and purposely overwrought. And I've never found inelegance to
solely block my liking for an artist--sometimes a degree of heavy inelegance
is necessary to achieve certain effects--and if you happen to dislike the
end results that's something for you to get distressed about and not me.
>You don't. Fine, but don't pretend that those who dislike Jones just
>don't get it, as if your artistic sensibilities are somehow more finely
>tuned and versatile merely because you appreciate the work of someone
>who a lot of people don't particularly like.
A lot of people like Monet as well, so so what?
At the risk of being an arrogant jerk, which I probably am, if you find
Jones or Monet's work "ugly" then to me you don't get it. Say what you like,
but I haven't pretended anything--I stand by what I write and so do you.
All the best,
IA
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>Bruce Timm? Yes, that's a pretty darn good idea. His work on Batman: Black and
>White (reminiscent of European comic artists)
What's that? Is it available in reprint anywhere? ME WANT BRUCE TIMM
NOW! GIVE HIM TO ME!!!!1!
>and Mad Love
Damn straight! Better than the animated version. I am DOWN with
semi-transparent underwear.
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> Quoth neil...@aol.com (Neil4161):
> >Bruce Timm? Yes, that's a pretty darn good idea. His work on Batman:
Black and
> >White (reminiscent of European comic artists)
>
> What's that? Is it available in reprint anywhere? ME WANT BRUCE TIMM
> NOW! GIVE HIM TO ME!!!!1!
Batman: Black & White consisted of four anthology titles. There's a rather
expensive hardcover available. There's a TPB being released in Britain in
February 2000, so I assume that it will be out in the US by then.
JC007 (twelve hours away from flying away - hyperactive, nauseous and tired
all at the same time - not sure that my baggage is less than 32 kilos - that
Crisis hardcover is heavy - and the Cages hardcover - and The Complete Frank
Miller Batman - and the Fortunate Son HC that I got as a leaving present
from my comic shop - and... - Black & White is staying behind though - sob -
sleep or stay up? - see you all on the other side - upset about the Astros
losing today - over - and out)
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: ...and the Fortunate Son HC that I got as a leaving present from my
: comic shop -
Did you say present? (I must be hard of hearing today... :) ) They *gave*
you a free copy of a $40+ book...?
: Black & White is staying behind though - sob -
I think you'll survive... :)
: sleep or stay up? -
Stay up. You won't be there much longer, so enjoy it, dude.
: Upset about the Astros losing today -
It was a tough loss. Hampton's a great pitcher. Jays lost, too. No
playoffs for them. :(
...Loren
JC007
> JC wrote:
> : ...and the Fortunate Son HC that I got as a leaving present from my
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> Did you say present? (I must be hard of hearing today... :) ) They *gave*
> you a free copy of a $40+ book...?
Yep - £18.95 UK price. :-) It was a nice gesture, but then it's a nice shop.
Friendly staff, good selection. And they did a great job with my pull list,
which was basically 'everything Batman and all the other stuff I normally
pick up'. I hadn't picked up Fortunate Son because of the price and the
owner remembered and gave it to me the last time I went in. If my new shop
in Houston is even half as good I'll be lucky.
> : Black & White is staying behind though - sob -
>
> I think you'll survive... :)
You sound like my father. ;-)
> : sleep or stay up? -
>
> Stay up. You won't be there much longer, so enjoy it, dude.
Well, the flight is ten and a half hours long and I would like to sleep
through as much as possible. Those economy seats are not good for someone of
my, er, stature. I pity the poor person who'll be sitting next to me...
> : Upset about the Astros losing today -
>
> It was a tough loss. Hampton's a great pitcher. Jays lost, too. No
> playoffs for them. :(
Eight runs in the fourth inning. Not good. I watched Wednesday's game this
evening, New York Vs Toronto. I'd avoided seeing the result so I was rooting
for the Jays, on your behalf. Didn't do any good though. :-(
JC007
Loren Di Iorio
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JC wrote:
: Loren wrote:
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: Yep - Ł18.95 UK price. :-) It was a nice gesture, but then it's a nice
: shop.
Sure must be! About the only thing I got free from my shop was a copy of
some Wildcats book last year. Wasn't particularly good. :)
But they're good guys, anyway. They said they'd give me their copy of
Dark Victory #0 when I come in next week!
I just finished reading JLA: Superpower, and I dunno how you do it, JC,
but you were right again! :) The only thing I didn't really like about it
was the fact that Batman referred to Superman as Kal, instead of Clark.
Maybe my memory just figured that the way Bruce called him in KC was the
way he always did...
And Clark's rage at Kyle right at the end just didn't seem right. I'll
admit that I loved the part where Batman was just about to explode at
Kyle, when GL was talking about Mark's power, earlier in the book. And
how Batman stared down Mark near the end. Oh, and when Mark wondered how
Batman, a non-superpowered hero, was gonna take him down, Batman just
said, he'd do "whatever it takes"...that was sure neat, too. :)
Mark's anger at GL was never really explained, but it must've had
something to do with the fact that Kyle's got a pretty snazzy power ring,
sorta like how Batman was lecturing to him.
J'onn had to go eating those Oreos again... :) When did he start doing
that, I wonder?
It almost seemed like Kyle was looking for trouble. Right after Superman
calmed Mark down, Kyle had to go throw that insanity/lawyer crack in
there.
I didn't have any problems with the art, unlike some of the other comments
I'd heard that floated around on racdcu. Great book.
One more thing... I *really* liked how Superman explained how it pains him
to have to hurt people - that every punch he throws in the name of peace
feels like failure. *That* was awesome.
: > I think you'll survive... :)
:
: You sound like my father. ;-)
"Owen, I *am* your father!" ;)
: Eight runs in the fourth inning. Not good. I watched Wednesday's game
: this evening, New York Vs Toronto. I'd avoided seeing the result so I
: was rooting for the Jays, on your behalf. Didn't do any good though. :-(
Thanks, man. :) Yanks won again today, along with Boston and Oakland, so
there's just no way the Jays can get in there. I don't know how Boston
keeps doing it...
Played some ball earlier today, myself. I had some really great pitches,
and I cranked a few, too, but too late in the game. :(
...Loren
Len-L
>Mini-spoilers for JLA: Superpower (almost forgot to put them in)...
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>I just finished reading JLA: Superpower, and I dunno how you do it, JC,
>but you were right again! :) The only thing I didn't really like about it
>was the fact that Batman referred to Superman as Kal, instead of Clark.
>Maybe my memory just figured that the way Bruce called him in KC was the
>way he always did...
When there are others around, Superman is "Kal." When it's just the
two of them, it's "Clark." Or that's how it should be.
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Loren Di Iorio
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Len-L wrote:
: Loren wrote:
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: > The only thing I didn't really like about it was the fact that Batman
: > referred to Superman as Kal, instead of Clark. Maybe my memory just
: > figured that the way Bruce called him in KC was the way he always did...
:
: When there are others around, Superman is "Kal." When it's just the
: two of them, it's "Clark." Or that's how it should be.
*Oh*...I gotcha. 'Cause everybody in the JLA knows he's Kal, but not
everyone knows he's Clark. Me, I'm slow. :)
...Loren
Englebert Lau
>Mini-spoilers for JLA: Superpower (almost forgot to put them in)...
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>: Yep - £18.95 UK price. :-) It was a nice gesture, but then it's a nice
>: shop.
>Sure must be! About the only thing I got free from my shop was a copy of
>some Wildcats book last year. Wasn't particularly good. :)
The last free comics I got from my shop was the SOTB that had the
"priinting error", and the Batman Beyond reprint. The shop I go to
will also lend me some b&w previews if I ask.
>But they're good guys, anyway. They said they'd give me their copy of
>Dark Victory #0 when I come in next week!
The one in Wizard, right? It's ten pages or so, and it looks like
Dark Victory will be another entertaining year... but if they make any
references to "Long Halloween", I'm not gonna understand.
>And Clark's rage at Kyle right at the end just didn't seem right. I'll
I liked it. Superman in the JLA is almost always cool and collected
(at least, since JLA #4)... so it seemed realistic for Clark to snap
at Kyle.
>It almost seemed like Kyle was looking for trouble. Right after Superman
>calmed Mark down, Kyle had to go throw that insanity/lawyer crack in
>there.
I guess maybe Kyle was being defensive... the JLA sort of treats Kyle
like a rookie prone to mistakes, so Kyle was being skeptical of the
new guy.
>Thanks, man. :) Yanks won again today, along with Boston and Oakland, so
>there's just no way the Jays can get in there. I don't know how Boston
>keeps doing it...
Too bad the Jays gave up on this season in August. I dunno what
happened during the collapse, but it's too bad. At least Green's only
one away from 40 HR, and Koch is a couple away from 30 saves.
Delgado's had a nice year in the HR/RBI department.
>Played some ball earlier today, myself. I had some really great pitches,
>and I cranked a few, too, but too late in the game. :(
> ...Loren
Did anybody mistake you for Olerud after your hits? :)
- Eng
Chris
> >But they're good guys, anyway. They said they'd give me their copy of
> >Dark Victory #0 when I come in next week!
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> The one in Wizard, right? It's ten pages or so, and it looks like
> Dark Victory will be another entertaining year... but if they make any
> references to "Long Halloween", I'm not gonna understand.
10 pages of story, 3 more of scetches and interviews.
You havn't read Long Halloween yet? Well, for one I'll recomend it. I
didn't think it was all what people were raving about, but it is up
there on my list. However, if you havn't read it, -don't- read Dark
Victory #0, it contains spoliers.
~Chris
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>*Oh*...I gotcha. 'Cause everybody in the JLA knows he's Kal, but not
>everyone knows he's Clark. Me, I'm slow. :)
In that case, so's everyone in the JLA. Jeezus. A pair of freakin'
glasses.
-Peter Destructo
Ferguson- "It's time the Darling family moved into the 80s."
Clarissa- "It's the 90s, fergwad!"
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Englebert Lau
>> The one in Wizard, right? It's ten pages or so, and it looks like
>> Dark Victory will be another entertaining year... but if they make any
>> references to "Long Halloween", I'm not gonna understand.
>10 pages of story, 3 more of scetches and interviews.
>You havn't read Long Halloween yet? Well, for one I'll recomend it. I
>didn't think it was all what people were raving about, but it is up
>there on my list. However, if you havn't read it, -don't- read Dark
>Victory #0, it contains spoliers.
>~Chris
Too late... I bought the Wizard, and didn't figure I'd ever read "Long
Halloween" in the near future.... so I went ahead and read Dark
Victory #0. Doesn't matter though, I didn't understand the
references.
I've only heard good things about Long Halloween though, so maybe I'll
give it a shot sometime. I've read the first issue, but still twelve
more to find... maybe I'll buy the softcover some day.
- Eng
Loren Di Iorio
: Loren wrote:
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: > About the only thing I got free from my shop was a copy of some
: > Wildcats book last year. Wasn't particularly good. :)
:
: The last free comics I got from my shop was the SOTB that had the
Oh yeah, I forgot about those. And the guys were good enough to give me
Dark Victory #0 for free today (partly 'cause it was a little roughed up).
: Too bad the Jays gave up on this season in August. I dunno what
: happened during the collapse, but it's too bad.
They were winning earlier, while the country awards were on. :)
: At least Green's only one away from 40 HR, and Koch is a couple away
: from 30 saves. Delgado's had a nice year in the HR/RBI department.
Delgado's unhappy, Green's doing great, and Koch chalked up a couple more
losses in the past couple of weeks. :(
: > Played some ball earlier today, myself. I had some really great
: > pitches, and I cranked a few, too, but too late in the game. :(
:
: Did anybody mistake you for Olerud after your hits? :)
With the way I was hitting that day, not likely. :)
...Loren
Loren Di Iorio
: I've only heard good things about Long Halloween though, so maybe I'll
: give it a shot sometime. I've read the first issue, but still twelve
: more to find... maybe I'll buy the softcover some day.
You mean the first issue wasn't enough to hook you in? That's one story
you've gotta own, Eng (but do wait for the softcover).
...Loren
Len-L
characters and one crackpot idea. <ko...@softhome.net.net.net> wrote:
>Quoth yu21...@yorku.ca (Loren Di Iorio):
>>*Oh*...I gotcha. 'Cause everybody in the JLA knows he's Kal, but not
>>everyone knows he's Clark. Me, I'm slow. :)
>
>In that case, so's everyone in the JLA. Jeezus. A pair of freakin'
>glasses.
After seeing Mystery Men, I can see Kyle and Wally arguing over this
at a coffee bar:
"I'm telling you, Superman is Clark Kent."
"We've been through this before. Clark Kent wears glasses. If Clark
Kent is Superman, why doesn't Superman have to wear glasses?"
---
Len-L
Englebert Lau
Trust me, I wasn't too happy after I finished the first issue. My
first thought was, "how the $%?! am I gonna find the other 12
issues"... and then I reminded myself that's $60+, and the feeling
passed.
As for the softcover... I'm always reluctant to spend $30 on a comic
book, but I'll consider it. Maybe I'll spoil myself on my b-day, or
x-mas or something.
- Eng
Englebert Lau
>Oh yeah, I forgot about those. And the guys were good enough to give me
>Dark Victory #0 for free today (partly 'cause it was a little roughed up).
What'd ya think of it? I thought it was a decent set-up, but not
worth the $7 for it and the Wizard. Wizard wasn't especially good
that month...
>: Too bad the Jays gave up on this season in August. I dunno what
>: happened during the collapse, but it's too bad.
>They were winning earlier, while the country awards were on. :)
I didn't realize how well pop-country was doing in the awards
department. Or, at least, Shania enjoyed some success yesterday, and
I think Martina McBride picked up the female vocalist award.
>Delgado's unhappy, Green's doing great, and Koch chalked up a couple more
>losses in the past couple of weeks. :(
Yeah... but at least they won 14-9... they got some revenge, after
watching Pedro dominate the day before.
>: > pitches, and I cranked a few, too, but too late in the game. :(
>: Did anybody mistake you for Olerud after your hits? :)
>With the way I was hitting that day, not likely. :)
> ...Loren
Oh... well, when you said you cranked a few, that sounded like
something Johnny-O would do. :)
- Eng
Loren Di Iorio
: Loren wrote:
:
: > And the guys were good enough to give me Dark Victory #0 for free
: > today.
:
: What'd ya think of it? I thought it was a decent set-up, but not
: worth the $7 for it and the Wizard. Wizard wasn't especially good
: that month...
Glad to hear I didn't pay for it, then. I intentionally kept hounding them
for that month's Wizard, just for the #0 issue, and when they didn't have
any left, and after I told them that DV was the only reason I wanted to
get it, they just gave me their copy, from the Wizard they open each month.
It's been a busy week, and I haven't had the chance to read it yet. I'm
sure I'll enjoy it a little bit more than you did, if only 'cause I've
already read TLH (and you can add *that* to the list of Bat-books I've
read that you haven't ;) ).
: > They were winning earlier, while the country awards were on. :)
:
: I didn't realize how well pop-country was doing in the awards
: department.
Unfortunately, yes. A bunch of performers last night tried to take country
music back to the way it was, and I hope they succeeded (at least, in some
small way).
: Or, at least, Shania enjoyed some success yesterday, and I think Martina
: McBride picked up the female vocalist award.
Both of which I didn't agree with. I mean, I can see why Shania *might*
get the Entertainer award, just because she (apparently) put on some great
shows this past year, but she just didn't happen to sing much (if any)
country music, so she really shouldn't have been nominated in the first
place.
Trisha should've won Female Vocalist (but you knew I'd say that). :)
Bruce has never gone to a karoake bar to sing country music. Though I hear
that Matches Malone can do a great crooner's rendition of "Fly Me To The
Moon"... :)
: Oh... well, when you said you cranked a few, that sounded like
: something Johnny-O would do. :)
He's a good kid, and if I had the kind of swing he's got, I'd be loving
the game a whole lot more than I do (which is tough to beat, already).
...Loren
Enoryt666
>: worth the $7 for it and the Wizard. Wizard wasn't especially good
>: that month...
Wizard only costs $5, idiot.
Chris
OMAR!!!
How's it going, buddy? I haven't seen you in such a long time! Still
using Enoryt666 I
see... Are you still trolling over at racdcu? Do any horrible things
with my mother
lately?
I don't suppose you've heard all about the Canadian dollar being a
different currency
then the US dollar, with an exchange rate, and all that?
No? Well, I guess skipping your 4th grade economics class will result in
your missing
out on this stuff. Try to show up tomorrow, okay?
--
~Chris
"There are those who insist that criminals don't come from
poverty or abuse. That some people are just born that way.
But when crime increases their only solution is more jails.
And when the jails are built they discover more and more
people are just born that way."
-Steve Darnall
"Uncle Sam"
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enor...@aol.com (Enoryt666) wrote:
> >: What'd ya think of it? I thought it was a decent set-up, but not
> >: worth the $7 for it and the Wizard.
>
> Wizard only costs $5, idiot.
It costs $7 Canadian.
__
/\
SF
Syl (Welcome to the USA...Enjoy your stay.);)
JC007 wrote:
> Loren wrote...
> > JC wrote:
> > : ...and the Fortunate Son HC that I got as a leaving present from my
> > : comic shop -
> >
> > Did you say present? (I must be hard of hearing today... :) ) They *gave*
> > you a free copy of a $40+ book...?
>
> Yep - £18.95 UK price. :-) It was a nice gesture, but then it's a nice shop.
> Friendly staff, good selection. And they did a great job with my pull list,
> which was basically 'everything Batman and all the other stuff I normally
> pick up'. I hadn't picked up Fortunate Son because of the price and the
> owner remembered and gave it to me the last time I went in. If my new shop
> in Houston is even half as good I'll be lucky.
>
> > : Black & White is staying behind though - sob -
> >
> > I think you'll survive... :)
>
> You sound like my father. ;-)
>
> > : sleep or stay up? -
> >
> > Stay up. You won't be there much longer, so enjoy it, dude.
>
> Well, the flight is ten and a half hours long and I would like to sleep
> through as much as possible. Those economy seats are not good for someone of
> my, er, stature. I pity the poor person who'll be sitting next to me...
>
> > : Upset about the Astros losing today -
> >
> > It was a tough loss. Hampton's a great pitcher. Jays lost, too. No
> > playoffs for them. :(
>
> Eight runs in the fourth inning. Not good. I watched Wednesday's game this
> evening, New York Vs Toronto. I'd avoided seeing the result so I was rooting
> for the Jays, on your behalf. Didn't do any good though. :-(
>
JC007
news:37EB3AD5...@earthlink.net...
> Have a safe trip! :)
> Syl (Welcome to the USA...Enjoy your stay.);)
Thanks Syl! I'm pretty much settled in now and I've just about recovered
from have to drive for the first time in three years. I've also found a
comic shop and given them a pull list. I'm still getting tired far too early
every evening, but I'm sure that'll pass soon.
I also get to see Batman Beyond. It's dead good - but I'll never get used to
seeing an old Barbara Gordon. (She's too old to be referred to as 'Babs'.)
JC007 (let's see if I've got this PC set up correctly, shall we...)
--
The Better Batman Bureau
http://www.weld18.demon.co.uk
Loren Di Iorio
: I've also found a comic shop and given them a pull list.
Wow, that didn't take long! ;) Just don't get your bills mixed up -
American money can get to be confusing, since it's all the same colour. :)
: I'm still getting tired far too early every evening, but I'm sure
: that'll pass soon.
Sounds like Houston won't have a Batman around for quite a while. ;)
: I also get to see Batman Beyond. It's dead good - but I'll never get
: used to seeing an old Barbara Gordon. (She's too old to be referred to
: as 'Babs'.)
Would that the Southern Ontarian television broadcasters realize that
Canada's most populous area still goes without such fine programming... :(
(That sounded kinda awkward. :) )
...Loren
Englebert Lau
>sure I'll enjoy it a little bit more than you did, if only 'cause I've
>already read TLH (and you can add *that* to the list of Bat-books I've
>read that you haven't ;) ).
Yeah, uh, well... there's thousands of copies of NW/Huntress #3 in
near mint condition out there. (Dang, I need some new comebacks) :)
>Unfortunately, yes. A bunch of performers last night tried to take country
>music back to the way it was, and I hope they succeeded (at least, in some
>small way).
Interesting... but didn't some pop performers like Jewel or NSync show
up there? (Forgive me if I messed up somewhere, I may be jumbling
entertainment articles in my head)
>: Or, at least, Shania enjoyed some success yesterday, and I think Martina
>: McBride picked up the female vocalist award.
>Both of which I didn't agree with. I mean, I can see why Shania *might*
>Trisha should've won Female Vocalist (but you knew I'd say that). :)
Was Trisha nominated? As for Martina McBride, you may not be big fan
of hers, but at least her voice is deserving enough of an award. Of
course, you have a point when you said she sometimes uses the high
note too much.
>Bruce has never gone to a karoake bar to sing country music. Though I hear
>that Matches Malone can do a great crooner's rendition of "Fly Me To The
>Moon"... :)
Has Matches been around here lately, or has he joined the flock of acb
characters now on the Dixonverse message board?
- Eng
JC007
> American money can get to be confusing, since it's all the same colour. :)
And the same size! It's really strange, having to actually look at a note to
work out what it is.
> JC wrote:
> : I also get to see Batman Beyond. It's dead good - but I'll never get
> : used to seeing an old Barbara Gordon. (She's too old to be referred to
> : as 'Babs'.)
>
> Would that the Southern Ontarian television broadcasters realize that
> Canada's most populous area still goes without such fine programming... :(
>
> (That sounded kinda awkward. :) )
Yup. ;-) Only seen one episode so far - and that's the one that I saw 2/3 of
last time I was over. What are the chances of that, eh? (Probably about
1/13, I suppose...) Anyway I'll probably be watching more once I get a VCR
sorted out.
JC007
Loren Di Iorio
: Only seen one episode so far - and that's the one that I saw 2/3 of
: last time I was over. What are the chances of that, eh? (Probably about
: 1/13, I suppose...)
I've been going *so* crazy today, after I found out that Batman's back on
the air up here! Pulled out my Batman shirt, and everything. Every day
Batman's on! Woo-hoo!! :)
...Loren
Chuckg
Len-L <kan...@davlin.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:31:12 GMT, Note: This message contains three
> characters and one crackpot idea. <ko...@softhome.net.net.net> wrote:
>
> >Quoth yu21...@yorku.ca (Loren Di Iorio):
> >>*Oh*...I gotcha. 'Cause everybody in the JLA knows he's Kal, but not
> >>everyone knows he's Clark. Me, I'm slow. :)
> >
> >In that case, so's everyone in the JLA. Jeezus. A pair of freakin'
> >glasses.
Well, not to mention the fact that Clark Kent and Superman have both been
seen standing *next* to each other at least *twice*, one of them on national
TV.
JLA #18-19, when J'onn J'onnz impersonates Clark Kent among all the other
reporters on the Watchtower so that Superman can show up as himself to do
the JLA's speech. And "Return Of Superman", when Superman digs "Clark
Kent" (actually the Matrix-Supergirl, impersonating him) out from under the
Daily Planet building that was collapsed by Doomsday's rampage (and where
Clark Kent had been *supposedly* trapped all that while in a bomb shelter),
so as to 'explain' why Clark Kent had been missing for the entire month
after Doomsday's rampage.
--
Chuckg