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I was under the impression that Gotham was in New Jersey-- but as compared to a real city. I have heard it put this way. Metropolis => Park Ave in broad daylight. Gotham. => Hells Kitchen at 2 in the morning.
Hope the analgy works for you. As always, Scouter.
Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
I've always thought Gotham City was based on New York; you know, murders, crime running rampant, streets and streets of close-together roofs for Batman to jump on. Any other thoughts or suggestions on which city represents what?
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: Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located : all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York : and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
I can confirm that you're only partly correct.
Gotham is based on New York and Metropolis is based on Toronto (where I am). This can be found in one of the recent lettercols in a Bat comic. Sorry, I can't remember which one off-hand; it came out in the past few months when someone asked about it.
While Batman was located in NYC early on (c.1940), Gotham has been home to the Dynamic Duo for most of their careers. According to DC (and this was in the 70s, so it's probably been retconned away), Gotham was in New Jersey, and Metropolis was across the bridge in Delaware. =========================================================== "Those who like this sort of thing / --Dsik...@aol.com will find this is the sort of thing / they like." --Abraham Lincoln /
> Dreamkids1 <dreamki...@aol.com> wrote in article > <19970421155400.LAA21...@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > > What is Gotham equivelent to? Metropolis => New York Gotham => ?
>Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located >all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York >and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
In one of the issues I have, one of the editors said that Gotham was lower New York City and Metropolis was Upper New York City. Well, at least that is what they were based on.
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> What is Gotham equivelent to? Metropolis => New York Gotham => ?
Mayfair Games had exclusive rights to DC Comics for their role-playing game. They published "The Atlas Of The DC Universe" and on their map of the U.S. they had Metropolis in DELAWARE and Gotham City in NEW JERSEY. I think you can still get it at comic and game shops.
Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth: I always thought Gotham was Gotham (somewhere in the northeast--NJ) and New York was New York in its present location. I'm not positive, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Metropolis is based on Toronto and located somewhere in its general vicinity. Gotham, while it is undoubtably based on NY, is a separate city. For example, in a recent Spectre (no. 51--excellent issue, by the way: Batman: "Sometimes I think they should just put a revolving door on Arkham Asylum"), Batman left Gotham for NY to track The Joker down and bring him back. Also, I think Bludhaven (current home of Nightwing) is in the general area of Baltimore--it's always referred to as south of Gotham.
> > What is Gotham equivelent to? Metropolis => New York Gotham => ? > Mayfair Games had exclusive rights to DC Comics for their role-playing > game. They published "The Atlas Of The DC Universe" and on their map of > the U.S. they had Metropolis in DELAWARE and Gotham City in NEW JERSEY. > I think you can still get it at comic and game shops.
So where's Keystone City?
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: Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth: I always thought Gotham was Gotham : (somewhere in the northeast--NJ) and New York was New York in its present : location. I'm not positive, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that : Metropolis is based on Toronto and located somewhere in its general : vicinity. Gotham, while it is undoubtably based on NY, is a separate : city. For example, in a recent Spectre (no. 51--excellent issue, by the
So it wasn't just me who thought Metropolis was based on Toronto! Thanks for helping out. Like I said previously, I, too, read that somewhere. I went through all the Bat-comics and related titles that I have from the past half year, but came up empty in the lettercols. It's gotta be somewhere, though. Maybe it was in a recent Wizard...
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Just found the October '96 Wizard #62. On page 10, in answer to this question, the editor (or whatever position Jim McLauchlin fills) states that:
"...the fact of the matter is...that Gotham is loosely based on New York, while Metropolis is based on Toronto."
Hope that clears things up for everyone.
: bring him back. Also, I think Bludhaven (current home of Nightwing) is in : the general area of Baltimore--it's always referred to as south of Gotham.
In <5jglev$3u...@post.servtech.com> fal...@cyber1.servtech.com (robert
verrelli) writes:
>: Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located >: all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York >: and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
>I can confirm that you're only partly correct.
>Gotham is based on New York and Metropolis is based on Toronto (where I >am). This can be found in one of the recent lettercols in a Bat comic. >Sorry, I can't remember which one off-hand; it came out in the past few >months when someone asked about it.
>I could look it up for you if you want.
In an afterword written by Dennis O'Neil for the novelization of Knightfall, he states Gotham is "New York's mirror-world counterpart." He also adds "Batman's Gotham City is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street at eleven minutes past midnight on the coldest night in November." But don't get me wrong, Wizard Magazine stated New York does exist in the DCU (just read Green Lantern or Spectre) and is a one (or two) hour drive from Gotham. Though Metropolis was originally based on Toronto by Siegal $ Schuster, it has taken more New York characteristics for nearly 60 years. What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in Batman Forever. (GAH!)
In <5jglev$3u...@post.servtech.com> fal...@cyber1.servtech.com (robert
verrelli) writes:
> > >: Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located >: all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York >: and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this? > >I can confirm that you're only partly correct. > >Gotham is based on New York and Metropolis is based on Toronto (where I >am). This can be found in one of the recent lettercols in a Bat comic. >Sorry, I can't remember which one off-hand; it came out in the past few >months when someone asked about it. > >I could look it up for you if you want.
In an afterword written by Dennis O'Neil for the novelization of Knightfall, he states Gotham is "New York's mirror-world counterpart." He also adds "Batman's Gotham City is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street at eleven minutes past midnight on the coldest night in November." But don't get me wrong, Wizard Magazine stated New York does exist in the DCU (just read Green Lantern or Spectre) and is a one (or two) hour drive from Gotham. Though Metropolis was originally based on Toronto by Siegal $ Schuster, it has taken more New York characteristics for
nearly 60 years. What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in Batman
Forever. (GAH!)
Vince Liu
It was not actually the statue of liberty. It had a sword or shield or something. It was more like the statue you see in "The Shadow of the Bat" episodes of the animated series.
-- "I do it for the weak, and the scared, and the oppressed. I do it for the victims - the innocent - the abused. I do it to try to end the suffering ... and I do it for the nobodies" - Batman. (Batman: Shadow of the Bat #13).
New York was actually called Gotham City back in the twenties, and if you remember the movie SUPERMAN, he and Lois Lane were flying around the Statue of Liberty. I guess Tricorner would be Brooklyn(right across the river from Gotham).
In <5jll8t$7d...@post.servtech.com> fal...@cyber3.servtech.com (robert
verrelli) writes:
>: drive from Gotham. Though Metropolis was originally based on Toronto >: by Siegal $ Schuster, it has taken more New York characteristics for >: nearly 60 years. What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of >: Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in Batman >: Forever. (GAH!)
>Ah, but now you're mixing comics and movies, two totally different >mediums. The movies always screw up what's put into the comics.
Yeah, I know. That was my whole point.
Even worse is television. An example is an early episode of Lois & Clark (I believe it was the first season) where Clark is shown flying from Metropolis, where New York should be, to China. But later, Clark flies home to Smallville, Kansas and explains his tardiness due to an electrical storm over Cleveland. Now how is Cleveland along the flight path from the eastern seaboard to Kansas? My best guess is it was just a blurb to pay homage to Siegal & Schuster.
BTW, it was in a recent issue of Wizard Magazine stating Gotham was a one (or two) hour drive from New York and Metropolis. And somehow Bludhaven is in between. Talk about some crowded demographics.
Someone wrote: > >What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of > >: Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in
Batman Forever. (GAH!)
Call me crazy, but I think the statue in the comics AND the movie is the Lady Gotham of something ridiculous like that... I know I've heard it mentioned in the books at one point or another...
robert verrelli (fal...@cyber3.servtech.com) wrote: > : Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth: I always thought Gotham was Gotham > : (somewhere in the northeast--NJ) and New York was New York in its present > : location. I'm not positive, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that > : Metropolis is based on Toronto and located somewhere in its general > : vicinity. Gotham, while it is undoubtably based on NY, is a separate > : city. For example, in a recent Spectre (no. 51--excellent issue, by the > So it wasn't just me who thought Metropolis was based on Toronto! Thanks > for helping out. Like I said previously, I, too, read that somewhere. I > went through all the Bat-comics and related titles that I have from the > past half year, but came up empty in the lettercols. It's gotta be > somewhere, though. Maybe it was in a recent Wizard... > (a few minutes pass...) > Just found the October '96 Wizard #62. On page 10, in answer to this > question, the editor (or whatever position Jim McLauchlin fills) states > that: > "...the fact of the matter is...that Gotham is loosely based on New York, > while Metropolis is based on Toronto." > Hope that clears things up for everyone. > : bring him back. Also, I think Bludhaven (current home of Nightwing) is in > : the general area of Baltimore--it's always referred to as south of Gotham.
Actually, Bludhaven is in the general area of Newark or Jersey City. Bludhaven has repeatedly been referred to as a drain-off type of city, and as being Gotham's ugly little sister. Baltimore isn't New York's ugly little sister, Newark and Jersey City are. Plus, Baltimore isn't that close to New York.
Thanks for the insights . I concur with your conclusions,I must admit that metropolis was always a mystery to me . Rather that I've always seen both place as a picture of the souls of thier respective heros light and dark and therefore not a question of (no disrepect to your insightfull observations)geography but of phsychology, not a map of the countryside but of the spirit(not the guy in fedora and gloves:) )
I am really getting tired of this. Gotham and Metropolis are both *fictional cities*. They are not some actual city in disguise. Maybe ideas are based on an actual city but that is it. There is no Gotham in New York or Jersey-- and there is not Metropolis in New York or Chicago-- so why the debate? Even if some bigwig at DC says "Metropolis is in NY or Gotham is in Jersey" then so what? As always, Scouter
i heard a lot of people say that it's in new jersey. dennis o'neille sticks true to the belief that gotham is an alternate new york city, only darker (NY exists in the DC universe too, but it's wimp ass compared to gotham).
new york was the setting for the batman stories in "detective comics" when it first started, but then they started to use the nickname for new york, which, at the time, was "gotham city". it then eventually turned into a city of it's own.
i heard a really interesting angle that gotham is actually based on chicago, because of it's gothic architecture. new york has some too, but chicago has a bit more up the ass.
i just think that it's a coastal city in the east with a huge port, some rivers, and a blown up section that got killed in "contagion". i'd really like to believe that it's in new york state.
but i think that bludhaven is in new jersey, because it;s supposed to be so shitty.
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i heard a lot of people say that it's in new jersey. dennis o'neille sticks true to the belief that gotham is an alternate new york city, only darker (NY exists in the DC universe too, but it's wimp ass compared to gotham).
new york was the setting for the batman stories in "detective comics" when it first started, but then they started to use the nickname for new york, which, at the time, was "gotham city". it then eventually turned into a city of it's own.
i heard a really interesting angle that gotham is actually based on chicago, because of it's gothic architecture. new york has some too, but chicago has a bit more up the ass.
i just think that it's a coastal city in the east with a huge port, some rivers, and a blown up section that got killed in "contagion". i'd really like to believe that it's in new york state.
but i think that bludhaven is in new jersey, because it;s supposed to be so shitty.
You are right about Gotham being New York, but Metropolis is actually moddeled after Toronto, Canada. I'm not shure about Jerry Siegle, but Joe Shuster is Canadian cousin to Frank Shuster from the renouned Canadian comic team of Wayne and Shuster.
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