Best Airfares?
Lime Green
Thanks, LG
Stuart O. Bronstein
Lime Green wrote:
>
> Do you find the best airfares online, if so where, if not where else?
> Thanks, LG
The airlines want you to think so, because it's cheaper for them when
you buy on line. You can try orbitz http://www.orbitz.com/ which is run
by a bunch of the major airlines and has some deals not available
elsewhere.
If your travel plans are flexible, I've found travelocity to have
easiest access to great deals. http://www.travelocity.com/
Hotwire http://www.hotwire.com/index.jsp has some even better deals but
you don't get to choose your airline or travel time. If you use them,
visit them last because if you don't book within an hour after finding a
flight on their site, you're locked out for the next day.
There's also priceline.com. It's similar to Hotwire in that you don't
get to choose your airline or time. When I've used it, I wasn't able to
find better prices than elsewhere.
Stu
Laphboy
>Do you find the best airfares online, if so where, if not where else?
On-line - haven't used a travel agent in years...
www.priceline.com
www.travelocity.com
www.lowestfare.com
www.sidestep.com
Usually I'll check prices on Travelocity or Lowestfare first, then I'll stop
by Priceline and make bids based on a percentage of their prices...
Sidestep is useful for finding low prices available from the airlines
through 'back doors' - specials they have access to, but don't make public.
BTW, Limey, I disagree with the "not using your name for fear of reprisal"
thing. You're welcome to introduce yourself or not, but those of us who have
been posting under our real identities for years haven't faced much in the way
of reprisals.
It's just comedy talk...nothing to be afraid of. ;^)
steve gelder
http://www.stevegelder.com
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Lime Green
> On-line - haven't used a travel agent in years...
>
> www.priceline.com
> www.travelocity.com
> www.lowestfare.com
> www.sidestep.com
>
> Usually I'll check prices on Travelocity or Lowestfare first, then I'll stop
> by Priceline and make bids based on a percentage of their prices...
>
> Sidestep is useful for finding low prices available from the airlines
> through 'back doors' - specials they have access to, but don't make public.
Thanks. Have tried Priceline but the travel parameters are too broad for me.
Never heard of Sidestep, will check it out.
> BTW, Limey, I disagree with the "not using your name for fear of reprisal"
> thing. You're welcome to introduce yourself or not, but those of us who have
> been posting under our real identities for years haven't faced much in the way
> of reprisals.
>
> It's just comedy talk...nothing to be afraid of. ;^)
>
No fear here, Steve, just don't care to get into the clutter. Did that before, got
spammed relentlessly by a disgruntled group member. What's the advantage of not
using an alias anyway? I'm here as Lime Green and can be held accountable for what
I post as Lime Green. It just allows me to keep the kooks off my doorstep. Thanks
for the input anyway and perhaps I'll change my mind. Have to say that I'm finding
the group more and more affable as i hang around. Thanks again for the info. LG
(Not my real color.)
Ryan Silverman
>I post as Lime Green.
Which is exactly why it bugs some of the regulars, because we have a lot of
trolls on here who post under fake names and then come back with a different
names and therefore are held unacountable for their previous actions.
As long as you play nice I don't think an alias is a big deal, but if you start
shit, then it becomes one.
Rye
ComicCryeBaby
>trolls on here who post under fake names and then come back with a different
>names and therefore are held unacountable for their previous actions.
>
>As long as you play nice I don't think an alias is a big deal, but if you
>start
>shit, then it becomes one.
>
>
>
>
>
>Rye
>
Boy you sure are an effeminate bitch. You are everytnihng about middle America
that makes the rest of the country sick. You know everything, experienced
nothing, you're sheltered, spoiled and self centered.
Crye
KlownHumpr
is. ACS happens to be an exception.
You don't know what's a real name from a false name anyway other than for those
you have met or heard of on the comedy circuit, and there's many in here who
don't fall in either category.
Anyway, aliases are more common on the Internet than real names. Deal with it.
Harb7707
>Anyway, aliases are more common on the Internet than real names. Deal with
>it.
Actually, aliases generally cut down on a lot of bs, because
criticism is less likely to be taken personally and discussions
tend to stay more on the subject.
I've tried to tell 'em, but nooooobody listens.
Harb
Linda H.
> No fear here, Steve, just don't care to get into the clutter. Did that before, got
> spammed relentlessly by a disgruntled group member. What's the advantage of not
> using an alias anyway? I'm here as Lime Green and can be held accountable for what
> I post as Lime Green. It just allows me to keep the kooks off my doorstep.
Hi, Limey,
I'm not saying you 'should' do it but do you know anyone from on this
group that has worked with you/knows you and they could put a word in
for you? You know, just to say you exist and not one of the tr0lls?
There've been a couple of people that have verified a new poster with
something like "this guy with the fake name actually IS a comic, friend,
associate or whatever and he/she's legitimate/okay/not-okay/whatever"
and that's great because sooner or later (in this biz)someone's gonna
run into you/work with you. Sorts out the disruptive tr0ll types from
those genuinely interested in this business.
There's been so much deliberate disruption of late that I think it's
handy to know that the person behind the handle is the real thing
otherwise you might run the risk of being slammed at every turn by those
who are NOT genuinely interested in comedy and take it as being from the
group in general when it's not. Put it this way, that Chrisalsch is not
'real' and not worth conversing with.
> Thanks
> for the input anyway and perhaps I'll change my mind. Have to say that I'm finding
> the group more and more affable as i hang around. Thanks again for the info. LG
> (Not my real color.)
Nevertheless, welcome Limed Person.
L (the rest have always known that stands for Linda Haggar and I'm
real.... old.)
Linda H.
> I'm not saying you 'should' do it but do you know anyone from on this
> group that has worked with you/knows you and they could put a word in
> for you? You know, just to say you exist and not one of the tr0lls?
> There've been a couple of people that have verified a new poster with
> something like "this guy with the fake name actually IS a comic, friend,
> associate or whatever and he/she's legitimate/okay/not-okay/whatever"
> and that's great because sooner or later (in this biz)someone's gonna
> run into you/work with you. Sorts out the disruptive tr0ll types from
> those genuinely interested in this business.
Forget what I said, Limey. I just downloaded the next set of posts and
read some of your opinions on working in this biz and I believe you're
the real deal. Others will believe that, too, I'm sure.
L
Tuntzer
handy to know that the person behind the handle is the real thing
otherwise you might run the risk of being slammed at every turn by those
who are NOT genuinely interested in comedy"
Wrong. It is the "regulars"--- those interested in comedy--- who slam people at
every turn, especially ones who won't display their names and credentials.
Credentials in here mean everything. Far be it from anyone to take advice from
someone who doesn't play some shithole every week.
Even when the subject isn't comedy, the regulars slam the shit out of someone
who doesn't agree with the newsgroup majority opinion. Look how McGrew is
getting gangbanged in one of the political threads.
It wasn't too long ago one regular threatened another with spreading ill-will
among club owners.
I'd think twice before letting anyone in here know my real name. Once you
disagree with them, they get real vicious.
Lime Green
You oughta see my act.
Ryan Silverman
>America
>that makes the rest of the country sick. You know everything, experienced
>nothing, you're sheltered, spoiled and self centered.
Wow that's sweet, thanks.
(83)
Rye
~Official Symbol of all that is wrong with middle america.
Tuntzer
86
87
88
89
That's 90 people I can't handle!
mamu
the hot one said:
> Others will believe that, too, I'm sure.
> >
> > L
>
then the green one said:
>
> You oughta see my act.
now the shiny one says:
maybe she could see it if she knew who you were?
<shrug>
~kristine mamu
Ryan Silverman
>
you're just jealous cause you didn;t have the cool incest joke in the pyscho
babble game.
;-)
Father Luke
From my chair along the wall, I read Linda H. write . . .
L
(the rest have always known that stands for Linda Haggar and I'm real.... old.)
=============\\=========
I know this Elno Dot person.
She is a akshul comdean.
Father Luke
Birfday comin' up fer ya` sweets, no ?
Linda H.
> you're just jealous cause you didn;t have the cool incest joke in the pyscho
> babble game.
>
> ;-)
Oh, forget our shiny Mamu, Rye, *I'm* jealous. Ain't it a cool game?
What's yer name in that gameroom? I played it with Baldwiny (real name
known) and Limey (real name... 'Limey?') today. Baldwiny kept winning -
the slut.
C'mon, let's go there and play NOW - it's daytime!
L
Linda H.
> Wrong. It is the "regulars"--- those interested in comedy--- who slam people at
> every turn, especially ones who won't display their names and credentials.
Hmm, maybe but I think they're kinda 'play-slammin' ya know? Like, I
think they know the people - not always but mostly. And yeah, maybe
some of the 'regulars' slam those who won't display their names
(initially on an intro to the group - forever displaying ain't
necessary.) And why not? Besides, you (kindly) told me your name in
private email and I've told you I found you funny and yeah, as far as
I'm concerned you're a REAL person.
> Credentials in here mean everything. Far be it from anyone to take advice from
> someone who doesn't play some shithole every week.
Nope, I don't know if you actually do standup or are in the business of
creating, promoting it etc. but I appreciate your reality.
Anyway, I don't see what your problem is with that (i.e. taking advice
from a professional in any field is always preferable to taking advice
on say, lung transplants with someone who once saw some photos of the
procedure.) That's only natural.
> Even when the subject isn't comedy, the regulars slam the shit out of someone
> who doesn't agree with the newsgroup majority opinion. Look how McGrew is
> getting gangbanged in one of the political threads.
Nope, the regulars are individuals with their own opinions. It's not a
"group opinion." I don't agree with the opinions of some of the regs
and they with mine so that's no different to everyday life. Using
McGrew as an example is not valid as far as I can tell because he's so
often had vastly different opinions to people in general. I can't say
without being rude to him and I don't want to.
> It wasn't too long ago one regular threatened another with spreading ill-will
> among club owners.
Fair enough that might be so but one or two 'regulars' can't tar the
whole group with the same brush. Everybody else here is NOT responsible
for what others post.
> I'd think twice before letting anyone in here know my real name. Once you
> disagree with them, they get real vicious.
I'm disagreeing with you now, Tunz but I'm certainly not revealing your
name and I won't get vicious with you unless you're the one lighting the
fuse. I betcha if you told a couple of others (privately) your name
you'd be received with way more credibility. There are people from in
here I respect, trust and love and they're not even IN the business of
selling standup comedy. They didn't come in here guns a-blazin' using
anonymous names. Some of them came in not even thinking they might get
up on a stage, we ("we" meaning most people from acs) encouraged them
and they did it! A couple of them didn't want to and that's fine, too.
L
Linda H.
> Birfday comin' up fer ya` sweets, no ?
Yes, today. I'm thirty-fourteen. Ugh.
L
Lime Green
Damn that Game! Okay, see ya there!
Linda H.
> Besides, you (kindly) told me your name in
> private email and I've told you I found you funny and yeah, as far as
> I'm concerned you're a REAL person.
Uh-oh, wrong Tunzter. The original Tunzter is real. Not this one
'tuntzer.' That one I'll hafta plonk.
L
Tuntzer
>
You got that right. Add to it "and the youth of today."
Tuntzer
>old.)
>=============\\=
You made a punny. Haggar(d) and Old.
Australians use their real names more often, because the chance of some psycho
wrecking their career ot their life is slim.
Tuntzer
>'tuntzer.' That one I'll hafta plonk.
>
>L
>
>
Oh! So as long as they tell YOU in E-mail what their real name is, it is OK if
they remain anonymous to everyone else.
You are not in the business, but you can decide for everyone else who is worthy
of giving out advice.
I get it. ;o)
Stuart O. Bronstein
Tuntzer wrote:
> Linda Heatplate
>
> >Uh-oh, wrong Tunzter. The original Tunzter is real. Not this one
> >'tuntzer.' That one I'll hafta plonk.
>
> Oh! So as long as they tell YOU in E-mail what their real name is,
> it is OK if they remain anonymous to everyone else.
>
> You are not in the business, but you can decide for everyone else
> who is worthy of giving out advice.
>
> I get it. ;o)
That's not at all what Linda said. And if you're too dense to
understand the difference, you really are an idiot.
Stu
Stuart O. Bronstein
Just a young babe! Linda, I have underwear older than you are.
Happy birthday.
Stu
Stuart O. Bronstein
Jerks don't use their real names because they want to vile, unwarranted
accusations without having to take resonsibility for what they say.
Stu
Tuntzer
anonymity and then gave Tuntzer the Twat special privs simply because Tuntzer
E-mailed her with her real name. Fuck what she said.
If I were Tuntzer--- I wouldn't give anyone my real name with that
corn-cob-up-the-ass tude of hers.
Tuntzer
STUpid.
Ask the person who had his career threatened in here just weeks ago.
Jim Slotek
ACS happens to be an exception other people could learn from. We hook
up. Meeting people from this group has invariably been a pleasure. In
fact, in many cases people are far more likeable in person than they
are online.
I'm rapidly cooling on UseNet because of the Walter Mitty factor,
milquetoasts who become seething, contentious hormone cases under
cover of anonymity. This isn't honest debate. I'm not interested in
seeing people's civility go South and their neuroses unleashed because
they don't have to answer for anything. People should stand behind
what they say and answer for same. It's called maturity. Most
newspapers don't print unsigned letters, and I routinely fire back at
anonymous e-mailers for being cowards (also I love Star 69'ing people
who leave angry anonymous phone messages not knowing they can be
traced so easily - they hang up like scared rabbits).
I say this as someone whose name has been out there for target
practise since I got my first byline in a daily paper at 17 - a
depressing 26 years ago.
Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
Jim Slotek
"Like the pine trees lining the winding road, I got a name..." - Jim
Croce
Tuntzer
most cases they still come back online and use their nicknames and remain
anonymous to strangers.
Laphboy
>Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
>Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
>Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
Excellent point.
I've always thought that if you aren't willing to put your name on it and
take credit or blame for it, then it must not be something you're proud of.
It's been tossed out that 99/100 Usenet users use screen names, and don't
offer up their real names. In ACS, however, I think the numbers are more like
3 in 5 using their real identities. Partially, that's a result of our using
this forum for our business, which makes it more unique to Usenet.
Your name and reputation do matter within your business. If this were a
forum of Doctors (an analogy Ron Reid once used), you wouldn't take advice on
brain surgery from someone who had never performed the operation. You would
want/need to know if the person you were discussing points with was a doctor or
not, how long they'd been practicing, whether their reputation was any good or
not, and whether they were being sued for malpractice or honored by the AMA...
My wife used to post on a board related to her company (publicly held).
Someone from an opposing company was going in under a screen name, and
spreading rumors that were detrimental to her companies stock. That person was
turned in by their ISP (after warrants were issued), and subsequently
reprimanded, having to publicly post what names he had been posting under, and
apologizing for damages he may have done.
That's why the emphasis on "real" names by some of us in here. It's our
business, not some forum we jerk off in and leave.
steve gelder
http://www.stevegelder.com
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Rich Barber
<jsl...@sunpub.com> wrote:
> Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
> Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
> Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
Well said. BTW, doesn't anybody quote Canadians? I mean other than that
guy who gave his pro-American speech.
Rich
Harb7707
>Jerks don't use their real names because they want to vile, unwarranted
>accusations without having to take resonsibility for what they say.
>
Lawyers do use their real names because in our society, their vile, unwarranted
behavior is taken for granted.
Harb
Chrisalsch
>Date: 11/2/01 7:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <b7e2eeb6.0111...@posting.google.com>
Chrisalsch
>From: tun...@aol.com (Tuntzer)
>Date: 11/2/01 7:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011102092405...@mb-ch.aol.com>
>
>99/100 of internet users do not use their real names because doing so is
>STUpid.
>
*
'do 'u 'mean' klownpope/
Ryan Silverman
>What's yer name in that gameroom?
ComicRye, yeah, it's clever I know...
Rye
Harb7707
>up. Meeting people from this group has invariably been a pleasure. In
>fact, in many cases people are far more likeable in person than they
>are online.
So printing your name helps increase your social register.
Some don't consider that important.
>I'm rapidly cooling on UseNet because of the Walter Mitty factor,
>milquetoasts who become seething, contentious hormone cases under
>cover of anonymity.
As opposed to the seething, contentious hormone cases under
who are too stupid to avoid posting their name?
>This isn't honest debate.
Neither is yours. Watch. I'll show you.
>I'm not interested in seeing people's civility go South and their neuroses
unleashed because they don't have to answer for anything.
It happens here anyway, and more often, by people who post
their name. So you must admit your contention is irrelevant.
>People should stand behind what they say and answer for same.
>It's called maturity.
It's called vanity.
>Most newspapers don't print unsigned letters,
For legal reasons. You're painting it as if it's for moral reasons.
If I sent you a letter stating Tom Cruise fucks goats and it
wasn't signed, you wouldn't print it because he'd drill you.
If I sent a letter with my name and evidence that the above
was true, you'd print it in a heartbeat.
If it were signed by Nicole Kidman, without evidence, you'd still print it,
because you'd be off the hook while selling papers.
Furthermore, the Washington Post helped bring down a
presidency thanks to collusion with an anonymous contributor.
Please don't try to bring newspapers into the argument as a moral
touchstone. It only depresses me that you are so cynical or
insane to believe that anyone with half a neuron firing in their
brain would accept that as the truth.
>and I routinely fire back at anonymous e-mailers for being cowards
>(also I love Star 69'ing people who leave angry anonymous phone
>messages not knowing they can be traced so easily - they hang
>up like scared rabbits).
What could anonymous emailers possibly say to you that
would merit being called a coward?
Did they say something nasty about Julia Roberts?
Vanity. All is vanity.
>I say this as someone whose name has been out there for target
>practise since I got my first byline in a daily paper at 17 - a
>depressing 26 years ago.
That's like the tiny gang member stating his case for his
courageous efforts, discounting the large gang members
standing right behind him, and he's only able to do that because
he tows the "party line."
>Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
>Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
>Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
You also don't see JD Salinger posting in newsgroups.
There are people much more noteworthy than the above you
mentioned who HAVE published letters anonymously and sometimes
on a fairly routine basis.
Your arguments are worse than specious, Jim. It's propaganda.
Playing to the groundlings. It's not honest. It's common journalism.
>Jim Slotek
>"Like the pine trees lining the winding road, I got a name..." - Jim
>Croce
As far as a compelling argument, you lose.
The hint that you are, perhaps, on the wrong side of the
track is you have an attorney agreeing with you.
If I were forwarding an argument regarding the moral imperatives of the
citizens of the United States, and later recieved a fan letter from
Charles Manson, it would cause me to take pause.
Newspapers are rarely about maturity. They are about power.
In many cases, a journalist can be brave because there is a
newspaper's legal department behind him.
You sign your name to your columns because you expect the
paycheck from your newspaper to be spelled correctly,
and it serves as a working resume for your next job.
In the future, if you want to be taken seriously regarding your
views on ethical practices, you should begin each missive with
"I know I'm a journalist, so I shouldn't talk, but..."
Harb
Harb7707
> Your name and reputation do matter within your business. If this were a
>forum of Doctors (an analogy Ron Reid once used), you wouldn't take advice on
>brain surgery from someone who had never performed the operation. You would
>want/need to know if the person you were discussing points with was a doctor
>or not, how long they'd been practicing, whether their reputation was any good
>or not, and whether they were being sued for malpractice or honored by the
>AMA...
To take your analogy further, if acs posters were held to the same equivilant
scrutiny in comedy as brain surgeons and research scientists are to their
disipline, almost nobody here would be qualified to be published
Speaking on behalf of your proposed meritocracy... sorry you have to go, Steve.
Harb
Tuntzer
newsgroup do you just automatically ignore advice from anyone who doesn't have
a recognizable name in the computer industry?
Don't be foolish.
Tuntzer
volumes.
Dana
>>>>klown...@aol.com (KlownHumpr) wrote in message news:<20011101201439...@mb-fo.aol.com>...
>> Most people use aliases in public internet forums. That's the way the internet
>> is. ACS happens to be an exception.
>>
>> You don't know what's a real name from a false name anyway other than for those
>> you have met or heard of on the comedy circuit, and there's many in here who
>> don't fall in either category.
>>
>> Anyway, aliases are more common on the Internet than real names. Deal with it.<<<
>
>ACS happens to be an exception other people could learn from. We hook
>up. Meeting people from this group has invariably been a pleasure. In
>fact, in many cases people are far more likeable in person than they
>are online.
Then it doesn't belong on Usenet, it needs to be in a Specific Yahoo
Group or some other meeting place.
--
-=Dana=-
"
w w w . d f w m e t r o . o r g / d a n a
[To reply via email, please remove my pants.]
Chrisalsch
>From: harb...@aol.com (Harb7707)
>Date: 11/2/01 10:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011102125533...@mb-mb.aol.com>
Rich Barber
<harb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >ACS happens to be an exception other people could learn from. We hook
> >up. Meeting people from this group has invariably been a pleasure. In
> >fact, in many cases people are far more likeable in person than they
> >are online.
>
> So printing your name helps increase your social register.
> Some don't consider that important.
Wow, Harb. When people tell you to "take a flying leap," they don't
mean "in logic."
> >I'm rapidly cooling on UseNet because of the Walter Mitty factor,
> >milquetoasts who become seething, contentious hormone cases under
> >cover of anonymity.
>
> As opposed to the seething, contentious hormone cases under
> who are too stupid to avoid posting their name?
Exactly.
> >This isn't honest debate.
>
> Neither is yours. Watch. I'll show you.
>
> >I'm not interested in seeing people's civility go South and their neuroses
> unleashed because they don't have to answer for anything.
>
> It happens here anyway, and more often, by people who post
> their name. So you must admit your contention is irrelevant.
Wow, Harb! You really showed him. Here's the deal. Yes, people who sign
their names do unleash their neuroses, however, since they do post
their name, they are accepting responsibility for their nonsense. By
accepting responsibility they are owning up to their words, by owning
up to their words they are answering for their actions. Simple enough
for you? His contention, or his statement is relevant, says I.
>
> >People should stand behind what they say and answer for same.
> >It's called maturity.
>
> It's called vanity.
No, it's not called vanity, Harb. Once again, you make a statement that
people are supposed to take as fact without any shred of logic to back
it up. You could've called it a Moose and been just as convincing.
> >Most newspapers don't print unsigned letters,
>
> For legal reasons. You're painting it as if it's for moral reasons.
> If I sent you a letter stating Tom Cruise fucks goats and it
> wasn't signed, you wouldn't print it because he'd drill you.
> If I sent a letter with my name and evidence that the above
> was true, you'd print it in a heartbeat.
> If it were signed by Nicole Kidman, without evidence, you'd still print it,
> because you'd be off the hook while selling papers.
> Furthermore, the Washington Post helped bring down a
> presidency thanks to collusion with an anonymous contributor.
> Please don't try to bring newspapers into the argument as a moral
> touchstone. It only depresses me that you are so cynical or
> insane to believe that anyone with half a neuron firing in their
> brain would accept that as the truth.
You're mixing things up again, Harb. Yes, Woodward and Bernstein
(wonderful composers by the way) used an anonymous source, but that's
not what Jim was talking about. He was talking about letters to the
editor, not investigative reporting. Which peice of fruit is better?
The apple or the orange.
>
> >and I routinely fire back at anonymous e-mailers for being cowards
> >(also I love Star 69'ing people who leave angry anonymous phone
> >messages not knowing they can be traced so easily - they hang
> >up like scared rabbits).
>
> What could anonymous emailers possibly say to you that
> would merit being called a coward?
> Did they say something nasty about Julia Roberts?
> Vanity. All is vanity.
I'll just skip this as it is irrelevant.
> >I say this as someone whose name has been out there for target
> >practise since I got my first byline in a daily paper at 17 - a
> >depressing 26 years ago.
>
> That's like the tiny gang member stating his case for his
> courageous efforts, discounting the large gang members
> standing right behind him, and he's only able to do that because
> he tows the "party line."
Thank you, Captain Analogy.
> >Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
> >Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
> >Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
>
> You also don't see JD Salinger posting in newsgroups.
> There are people much more noteworthy than the above you
> mentioned who HAVE published letters anonymously and sometimes
> on a fairly routine basis.
Name them, Harb. I suspect it's probably true, but their life probably
depended upon their anonomynity. I doubt they were publishing letters
just to be a jackass.
> Your arguments are worse than specious, Jim. It's propaganda.
> Playing to the groundlings. It's not honest. It's common journalism.
>
> >Jim Slotek
> >"Like the pine trees lining the winding road, I got a name..." - Jim
> >Croce
>
> As far as a compelling argument, you lose.
> The hint that you are, perhaps, on the wrong side of the
> track is you have an attorney agreeing with you.
> If I were forwarding an argument regarding the moral imperatives of the
> citizens of the United States, and later recieved a fan letter from
> Charles Manson, it would cause me to take pause.
> Newspapers are rarely about maturity. They are about power.
> In many cases, a journalist can be brave because there is a
> newspaper's legal department behind him.
> You sign your name to your columns because you expect the
> paycheck from your newspaper to be spelled correctly,
> and it serves as a working resume for your next job.
> In the future, if you want to be taken seriously regarding your
> views on ethical practices, you should begin each missive with
> "I know I'm a journalist, so I shouldn't talk, but..."
>
>
> Harb
Never mind, Harb. If I had your weaknesses in the area of logic, I'd
post anonymously, too. Please, if an attorney agrees with you, you must
be wrong? I guess you were just attempting to add a little levity to
your post?
Rich
Rich Barber
<Lord...@sbcglobalPANTS.net> wrote:
> Then it doesn't belong on Usenet, it needs to be in a Specific Yahoo
> Group or some other meeting place.
Don't try to tell us what to do with our ng, Dana. Most of us were here
and doing fine without your little rules.
Rich
Lime Green
People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that
Benjamin Franklin said it first.
Rich Barber
<Lari...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I thought it was widely known that Benjamin Franklin had said that
first. Sorry.
Rich
Baldwiny
>> People will accept your ideas much more readily if you tell them that
>> Benjamin Franklin said it first.
>I thought it was widely known that Benjamin Franklin had said that
>first. Sorry.
>
>Rich
It's true, you know.
Steve
"I like to frolic in ladies undergarments."
~Benjamin Frankiln
Lime Green
have decided to reveal my true identity to the group. Not because of pressure
or moral obligation but because I grow weary of the regimen of maintaining two
identities. (Yesterday I signed a check, "LimeGreen.") And because it should
add a new dynamic to the discussion. It'll be interesting to see what, if any
difference it makes. But just to make it interesting, anyone care to venture
an opinion or guess before I do? LG (Soon to be LongGone)
Baldwiny
>an opinion or guess before I do? LG (Soon to be LongGone)
The Ghost of Ben Vereen?
Steve
Lime Green
I don't jog
Rich Barber
Tuntzer
>their name, they are accepting responsibility for their nonsense. By
>accepting responsibility they are owning up to their words, by owning
>up to their words they ar
What's the damn difference? Unacceptable behavior suddenly becomes acceptable
because someone is owning up to it?
LOL! Keep trying to make sense. You might get there one day.
Chrisalsch
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Tuntzer
>and doing fine without your little rules.
How dare you. You are all trying to tell everyone else what to do by setting
your own little rules. "Don't respect anyone who doesn't use a real name." In
other words, don't respect 99% of the internet. Your little 1% isn't elite.
It's stupid! Anyway, if you can try to dictate who should get respect, then
Dana can tell you where he thinks your bullshit belongs.
Eric B.
news:3BE2FDF4...@yahoo.com...
Clark Kent?
--
Eric B.
"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special
Olympics. Even if you win you're still retarded."
Chrisalsch
Tuntzer
Linda H.
> Oh! So as long as they tell YOU in E-mail what their real name is, it is OK if
> they remain anonymous to everyone else.
Nope, because 'they' know who I am and just as I would trust them if
they say 'this guy's cool' they'd do the same for me.
> You are not in the business, but you can decide for everyone else who is worthy
> of giving out advice.
That was not the point.
> I get it. ;o)
I don't think you do.
L
Rich Barber
<tun...@aol.com> wrote:
> What's the damn difference? Unacceptable behavior suddenly becomes acceptable
> because someone is owning up to it?
>
> LOL! Keep trying to make sense. You might get there one day.
Are you really laughing out loud? Sitting all alone at your computer
laughing maniacly like a cartoon villian in a prison made of your own
social ineptitude?
When you're in public, do people avoid you? Is that why you're here
instead of outside enjoying the day?
Killy
Linda H.
I already said it wasn't about a recognizable NAME. It's about advice
being taken according to experience.
L
Chrisalsch
--------->From: Rich Barber barbe...@hotmail.com
>Date: 11/2/01 2:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
-------------------------IS '-THAT' U 'AG-AIN'
P-R-------------------------KLOWNH--UM-
Joe Dixon
>
> My wife used to post on a board related to her company (publicly held).
> steve gelder
> http://www.stevegelder.com
>
> Questions about comedy? Check the FAQ first!
> http://members.aol.com/comedyfaq/faq.html
Chris Penny told me you were a homosexual. He said it was a secret, so
I guess you didn't tell your wife. It's okay if I post here though,
right?
I know. I know. You want to have a serious discussion but I'm not
doing anything right now, so I'm bothering you. Don't take it
personal. Had a nice visit with Mr. P and Mrs. P and Eric B. and Paul
Dennis, yesterday. I must have not drunk as much as I had thought,
because I didn't wake up hung over or anything. No one told me that
Penny was FUCKING HUGE. Jesus, we compared sizes and his was bigger.
Now, I will really have to move to Ohio. Last night was my
introduction to how much of an Oreo I really am. My mother said
listening to those Carpenter albums would be bad for me. I couldn't
help myself though, Karen had such a pretty voice.
Now I'm really sorry I won't be doing WFL, people ARE nicer when you
meet them in person. Not that anybody was an asshole on line, except
Eric B. Who, by the way, wore a fantastic leather bomber jacket
straight from Adolf himself.
Actually, Eric was a lot more laid back than I thought he would be. I
can see why he liked LA. You'd like him too, Mr. Gelder.
I had no idea so many people I did standup with hung out at the Strip.
I was amazed, that and Chris and Eric knew at least a few people.
Fatz knew no one-HA HA
-Joe Dixon
Rich Barber
<tun...@aol.com> wrote:
> How dare you.
I rock, therefore I dare.
You are all trying to tell everyone else what to do by setting
> your own little rules. "Don't respect anyone who doesn't use a real name."
Big difference, whack job. I've never told anybody what to do on here.
I just say why I think people should use their names.
> In
> other words, don't respect 99% of the internet.
Sounds about right, fuck nut.
Your little 1% isn't elite.
> It's stupid!
Touche.
Anyway, if you can try to dictate who should get respect, then
> Dana can tell you where he thinks your bullshit belongs.
I have a feeling that you would be disrespect regardless of whether you
posted your name or not. It's obvious you're an unbalanced idiot
waterhead. That would make a much better screen name for you.
Killy
Eric B.
news:c33f08d0.01110...@posting.google.com...
>
> I know. I know. You want to have a serious discussion but I'm not
> doing anything right now, so I'm bothering you. Don't take it
> personal. Had a nice visit with Mr. P and Mrs. P and Eric B. and Paul
> Dennis, yesterday. I must have not drunk as much as I had thought,
> because I didn't wake up hung over or anything. No one told me that
> Penny was FUCKING HUGE. Jesus, we compared sizes and his was bigger.
> Now, I will really have to move to Ohio. Last night was my
> introduction to how much of an Oreo I really am. My mother said
> listening to those Carpenter albums would be bad for me. I couldn't
> help myself though, Karen had such a pretty voice.
Penny definitely looks like Jim Carrey. Mrs. P is a classy lady. How'd he
wind up with her?
> Now I'm really sorry I won't be doing WFL, people ARE nicer when you
> meet them in person. Not that anybody was an asshole on line, except
> Eric B. Who, by the way, wore a fantastic leather bomber jacket
> straight from Adolf himself.
>
> Actually, Eric was a lot more laid back than I thought he would be. I
> can see why he liked LA. You'd like him too, Mr. Gelder.
>
> I had no idea so many people I did standup with hung out at the Strip.
> I was amazed, that and Chris and Eric knew at least a few people.
>
> Fatz knew no one-HA HA
I think the only relationship that mattered to Fatz was with the bartender.
Lovely fella.
KlownHumpr
>being taken according to experience.
>
Then what difference does it make if someone E-mails you a real name as opposed
to saying "I go by the nickname Dub and I have performed in shitholes for 9
years now." Do you really take the real name and go digging around for
verification?
It shouldn't matter who lays down advice. As with anyone's advice, if it
sounds logical and reasonable, give it a shot. If it sounds ridiculous, ignore
it.
It's not like any of you are Jim Carrey.
KlownHumpr
Yes. When I watch TV I laugh out loud if something is ridiculously funny. Why
stifle yourself just because no one happens to be in the room? You must be one
miserable son of a bitch.
>When you're in public, do people avoid you? Is that why you're here
>instead of outside enjoying the day?
>
>Killy
You must be here too, or else you wouldn't know I'm here. ;o)
Lime Green
I don't know who that is but I'm pretty sure it's not them. LG
KlownHumpr
>
Well I do. Some people just can't fucking stand it when someone who might have
done less gigs than they did ends up being funnier or happens to have better
advice. They just *have* to know who it is so that when they disagree they can
beat them down with "where are your fucking credentials."
It's a crock of crap.
If you don't like people who don't use their names, ignore them. Cut this "If
I knew who you were I might take your advice" crap.
If it sounds like sound advice, try it! If it doesn't, don't! Is anyone in
here really so stupid that they cannot determine if someone is making sense
without their names attached?
Father Luke
From my chair along the wall, I read Joe Dixon write . . .
No one told me that Penny was FUCKING HUGE. Jesus, we compared sizes and his
was bigger.
Then I ' ve got you beat also.
Father Luke
KlownHumpr
>I just say why I think people should use their names.
>
--- and he said why he thinks this shithole should be moved to a shithole like
Yahoo.
>I have a feeling that you would be disrespect regardless of whether you
>posted your name or not.
Not according to some. Apparently, if I turned out to be Jim Carrey or Howie
Mandel I would suddenly become a genius worth listening to.
:o)
Lime Green
>
> Clark Kent?
>
> --
No, he's in a wheelchair.
Lime Green
Besides, what's the point? If the advice is good what does it matter the source. If
Hitler told Eva she should brush her teeth often even though it's from a despicable
and relatively, dentally ignorant person it's still valid advice. And in turn you
shouldn't accept advice or take criticism too much to heart just because you consider
the source credible. Mark Lanow ran the Improv when I tried to get in. He was the
credible source there (perhaps if only by ownership but nonetheless) and he told me I
wasn't "right for his room." I disagree with him. (However after working there a
few times I discovered that perhaps he was right, although I preferred to think of it
as "his room was not right for me." That room can really suck sometimes) Anyway
(Sorry I ramble) my point in identity is (and has been) that whether or not you use
an alias here you are still subject to the same ramifications of your opinions and
posts whether you're known or not. That's why I am going to just one identity. LG
(Six of one, half a dozen of the other)
Ryan Silverman
>an opinion or guess before I do?
Eddie Izzard?
Rye
~Official Symbol of all that is wrong with middle america.
VinnyBadabing
~Vinny
Ryan Silverman
>
Jerry Dorsey?
Jim Slotek
> In article <b7e2eeb6.0111...@posting.google.com>, Jim Slotek
> <jsl...@sunpub.com> wrote:
>
> > Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
> > Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
> > Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
>
> Well said. BTW, doesn't anybody quote Canadians? I mean other than that
> guy who gave his pro-American speech.
>
> Rich
Heh. We do all the time. My favourite is Jim Schoenfeld (then coach of
the Bruins) to referee Don Koharski - "Eat another donut, Koharski,
you fat pig!" Having aired on national TV in the playoffs, the line
was burned into every Canadian kid's psyche, to the extent that Mike
Myers had an Officer Koharski as a regular customer of Stan Mikita's
Donuts in Wayne's World.
On a more traditional note, there's Marshall McLuhan's "The medium is
the message." Pierre Trudeau's "The state has no business in the
bedrooms of the nation," Wilfrid Laurier's wonderfully prescient "The
20th Century will belong to Canada," and John A. MacDonald (our first
PM), who said "You call that a pour? Surrender that scotch bottle,
laddie, I'll show you a pour!"
Jim Slotek
As for the anonymouses, they can say what they like. Without a name,
it's still just high tech bathroom graffiti.
John Curtin
jsl...@sunpub.com wrote on 11/2/01 10:35 PM:
> Heh. We do all the time. My favourite is Jim Schoenfeld (then coach of
> the Bruins) to referee Don Koharski - "Eat another donut, Koharski,
> you fat pig!"
Point of order, Mr. Slotek. Jim Schoenfeld was the coach of the New Jersey
Devils at the time he made that statement. They were playing the Bruins in
the playoffs.
Curtin
-fuck Jeremy Jacobs
Dana
<barbe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
Psssst...... hey Barber, c'mere...
closer..
Go fuck yourself.
--
-=Dana=-
"
w w w . d f w m e t r o . o r g / d a n a
[To reply via email, please remove my pants.]
Harb7707
<snipped>
>> >This isn't honest debate.
>>
>> Neither is yours. Watch. I'll show you.
>>
>> >I'm not interested in seeing people's civility go South and their neuroses
>> unleashed because they don't have to answer for anything.
>>
>> It happens here anyway, and more often, by people who post
>> their name. So you must admit your contention is irrelevant.
>
>
>Wow, Harb! You really showed him. Here's the deal. Yes, people who sign
>their names do unleash their neuroses, however, since they do post
>their name, they are accepting responsibility for their nonsense. By
>accepting responsibility they are owning up to their words, by owning
>up to their words they are answering for their actions. Simple enough
>for you? His contention, or his statement is relevant, says I.
Nope. Reread his statement. I answered it just fine.
>> >People should stand behind what they say and answer for same.
>> >It's called maturity.
>>
>> It's called vanity.
>
>
>No, it's not called vanity, Harb. Once again, you make a statement that
>people are supposed to take as fact without any shred of logic to back
>it up. You could've called it a Moose and been just as convincing.
In this forum, it's vanity.
>> >Most newspapers don't print unsigned letters,
>>
>> For legal reasons. You're painting it as if it's for moral reasons.
>> If I sent you a letter stating Tom Cruise fucks goats and it
>> wasn't signed, you wouldn't print it because he'd drill you.
>> If I sent a letter with my name and evidence that the above
>> was true, you'd print it in a heartbeat.
>> If it were signed by Nicole Kidman, without evidence, you'd still print it,
>> because you'd be off the hook while selling papers.
>> Furthermore, the Washington Post helped bring down a
>> presidency thanks to collusion with an anonymous contributor.
>> Please don't try to bring newspapers into the argument as a moral
>> touchstone. It only depresses me that you are so cynical or
>> insane to believe that anyone with half a neuron firing in their
>> brain would accept that as the truth.
>
>You're mixing things up again, Harb. Yes, Woodward and Bernstein
>(wonderful composers by the way) used an anonymous source, but that's
>not what Jim was talking about. He was talking about letters to the
>editor, not investigative reporting. Which peice of fruit is better?
>The apple or the orange.
Hmmm. Let me introduce you to Mr. Name Withheld by Request.
He writes a lot of letters to editors.
I thought that went without saying, but in here, nothing is
left to the reader's knowledge.
>> >I say this as someone whose name has been out there for target
>> >practise since I got my first byline in a daily paper at 17 - a
>> >depressing 26 years ago.
>>
>> That's like the tiny gang member stating his case for his
>> courageous efforts, discounting the large gang members
>> standing right behind him, and he's only able to do that because
>> he tows the "party line."
>
>Thank you, Captain Analogy.
Anytime, Sgt. Hulka.
>> >Your name is what gives your opinions validity. People quote Voltaire,
>> >Jefferson, F.Scott Fitzgerald and Dorothy Parker - not FrogDude,
>> >Sallybanger, GatsbyGuy and RoundTableDancer.
>>
>> You also don't see JD Salinger posting in newsgroups.
>> There are people much more noteworthy than the above you
>> mentioned who HAVE published letters anonymously and sometimes
>> on a fairly routine basis.
>
>Name them, Harb. I suspect it's probably true, but their life probably
>depended upon their anonomynity. I doubt they were publishing letters
>just to be a jackass.
I'm so sorry. Did you miss American History in college?
There's a few examples, I'll give you one, as I'm not paid to finish
your education.
You've heard of "Poor Richard's Almanac"?
Benjamin Franklin would post under an alias when he knew
he was dealing with dickweeds.
I recall reading that Franklin was fed up with some group of women expouding
proper etiquette on a continual basis and he wrote them through
PR to rally for their support of farts into the etiquette arena.
He went on to discribe different types of farts, and how to
match the proper fart with the proper occasion, what type of
food for the correct aroma on such occasion, ect.
He also had a rival who printed an almanac which had a bias
for astrology. Franklin dispised astrology.
In his almanac, he posted as an astrologer and he predicted
that his rival would be dead in a few months.
After a few months, he pronounced his rival dead, and wrote
a small, compelling eulogy. Many people believed it.
His rival complained in his own almanac that he was not dead,
and that poor richard was a lying son of a bitch.
Franklin answered that he was aquainted with his rival and
knew him to be mild mannered, and would never speak to
anyone that way, which obviously was further proof that he was dead.
Franklin almost put the man out of business.
So there's an example good enough for you.
I shall take pause for a moment while you prepare to
KNEEL BEFORE HARB!
>> Your arguments are worse than specious, Jim. It's propaganda.
>> Playing to the groundlings. It's not honest. It's common journalism.
>>
>> >Jim Slotek
>> >"Like the pine trees lining the winding road, I got a name..." - Jim
>> >Croce
>>
>> As far as a compelling argument, you lose.
>> The hint that you are, perhaps, on the wrong side of the
>> track is you have an attorney agreeing with you.
>> If I were forwarding an argument regarding the moral imperatives of the
>> citizens of the United States, and later recieved a fan letter from
>> Charles Manson, it would cause me to take pause.
>> Newspapers are rarely about maturity. They are about power.
>> In many cases, a journalist can be brave because there is a
>> newspaper's legal department behind him.
>> You sign your name to your columns because you expect the
>> paycheck from your newspaper to be spelled correctly,
>> and it serves as a working resume for your next job.
>> In the future, if you want to be taken seriously regarding your
>> views on ethical practices, you should begin each missive with
>> "I know I'm a journalist, so I shouldn't talk, but..."
>>
>>
>> Harb
>
>
>Never mind, Harb. If I had your weaknesses in the area of logic, I'd
>post anonymously, too. Please, if an attorney agrees with you, you must
>be wrong? I guess you were just attempting to add a little levity to
>your post?
You got me there. I meant to say if STU agrees with you, you
may want to review your argument to be on the safe side.
Harb
Harb7707
>
>I already said it wasn't about a recognizable NAME. It's about advice
>being taken according to experience.
Shut your gimme hole, Linda.
I'm weary of your Australian sass.
Harb
Harb7707
>As for the anonymouses, they can say what they like. Without a name,
>it's still just high tech bathroom graffiti.
As for entertainment journalists, they can say what they like.
Without a published novel, it's just a lazy hack talking out of his ass
between bar runs.
Harb
Chrisalsch
>From: harb...@aol.com (Harb7707)
>Date: 11/2/01 11:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011103015125...@mb-mc.aol.com>
*
''if 'u 'r 'asstrailian' y' u 'got 'a 'spanish 'first 'name??
Chrisalsch
>Date: 11/2/01 11:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011103015644...@mb-mc.aol.com>
Lime Green
Who?
Lime Green
Uh uh.
Laphboy
Actually, Harb, your lengthy statement proves almost the opposite of what
you seem to think - Franklin didn't use the Poor Richard alias when he was
dispensing the quips that are forevermore attributed to him ("Early to bed,"
etc.). No, he took full credit for that stuff...
He used the alias when he was annoying 'proper' ladies with fart jokes, and
when he was lying about the death of his competitor to advance his readership.
It wasn't when he was dealing with dickweeds; it was when he was being one.
Since you made my point for me, I won't ask you to kneel.
Laphboy
>How ridiculous. So if you have a computer problem and go into a computer
>newsgroup do you just automatically ignore advice from anyone who doesn't
>have
>a recognizable name in the computer industry?
>
>Don't be foolish.
I think it would be foolish to take a computer problem into a newsgroup and
take someone's advice blindly without knowing something about their level of
experience with computers, trouble-shooting, etc.
I also think it would be foolish for me to go into that same group and tell
them how great I was on computers ten years ago. After a while, with me
screaming COBOL at them as if it were the second coming of Jehovah, I suppose
they would start to tire of me, and eventually, they would killfile me, no
matter how many names I tried to re-enter and scream "FourTran!" at them.
Imagine that...
Dana
>Is anyone in here really so stupid that they cannot determine if someone is making sense
>without their names attached?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but..... yes.
Dana
> I also think it would be foolish for me to go into that same group and tell
>them how great I was on computers ten years ago. After a while, with me
>screaming COBOL at them as if it were the second coming of Jehovah, I suppose
>they would start to tire of me, and eventually, they would killfile me, no
>matter how many names I tried to re-enter and scream "FourTran!" at them.
Read the computer trades much Gelding? COBOL programmers are still
in pretty decent demand.
Harb7707
> Actually, Harb, your lengthy statement proves almost the opposite of what
>you seem to think - Franklin didn't use the Poor Richard alias when he was
>dispensing the quips that are forevermore attributed to him ("Early to bed,"
>etc.). No, he took full credit for that stuff...
>
> He used the alias when he was annoying 'proper' ladies with fart jokes,
>and when he was lying about the death of his competitor to advance his
>readership.
I don't believe his initial intent was to close down a competitors
business. It began as a joke for himself and his friends towards
someone who he regarded as an idiot, since his target was a
the man who took his astrological assertions very seriously,
and promoted it's validity to his readers.
If you read it as it progresses, the humorous intent of it is very clear.
Certainly the same is true with the "proper ladies."
> It wasn't when he was dealing with dickweeds; it was when he
>was being one.
What you call being a dickweed, I call great satire.
It wouldn't have been nearly as entertaining if he did use his
name in those instances.
He was capable of being a pain in the ass to people who
he concluded were morons, alias or not.
>Since you made my point for me, I won't ask you to kneel.
The point is that being anonymous is not an automatic
discount of whatever the poster has to say.
That's just childish.
Also, anonymous posting is not only used by those in
fear of their life, as Barber would have us believe, or
abstained from by greater minds, as Slotek would try
to mislead us.
Harb
Jim Slotek
harb...@aol.com (Harb7707) wrote in message news:<20011103015644...@mb-mc.aol.com>...
Jim Slotek
always be a glory days Buffalo Sabre who put out bad James
Taylor-esque records in his spare time.
Jim Slotek
Memories get hazy, but the Leafs will always find a way to suck
John Curtin <come...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<B808D855.11220%come...@hotmail.com>...
KlownHumpr
able to go into a computer newsgroup and detect who knew what they were talking
about.
You have to know a little about the subject before you can determine who is
making sense.
Therefore, anyone who knows a little about comedy should be able to determine
if someone is worth listening to without begging for a real name.
KlownHumpr
>in pretty decent demand.
>
>
Federal Government employs most of them in fact.
KlownHumpr
there and regroup your brain cells.
KlownHumpr
>someone who he regarded as an idiot
Interesting. That's what the regulars in here do with their real names. Gelder
just said he was a dickweed, so I guess that makes them dickweeds too. It
looks like anyone can be a dickweed whether or not they use a nickname. Moral
of the story? This is USENET. Names mean shit.
Rush Limbush
Being aynomous is the only way to say things that are unpopular
without being crucified. With all our posturing about free speech and
open mindness we are actually very petty about any view which doesn't
fit our conceived (pre or ill)ideas.
Things we could fell free to say in a private conversation can be
quickly used against you in a public forum. That is why succesful
politicians never say anything directly. On this NG I am not running
for an office so I say what I want - both true and false. Because some
of the things I say are for shock value or to provoke discussion I can
not afford to have my real name known.
Chrisalsch
>Date: 11/3/01 2:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20011103043624...@mb-mp.aol.com>
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