A "BET" for Henry Coleman
Shep Slater
following.... "I am to strong to feature because my thirty minute set will
murder any headliner. My fifteen minute showcase set will slaughter the
masses."
Well Henry, I'm no where near the headliner status much less a feature
status since I haven't been on a comedy stage in over a year, at best I'd
probably qualify as a open mic comic however I'm willing to put up a $500.00
bet that I can blow your nigger ass off any, mixed audience, comedy club
stage. So if you're man enough and have $500.00 to your worthless name, pick
a club, we will both go up as open mic nobodies, I'll follow you as a
headliner would and I'll show you what funny is.
If $500.00 isn't enough, I'll throw in the extra bonus that after I blow
"you" off the stage and take your money, I'll get you a job at burger king
so you can get back to doing what you're really good at.... taking out the
trash.
Shep Slater
Henry isn't a pussy.
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Chrisalsch
>From: "Shep Slater" sheps...@earthlink.net
>Date: 1/12/2002 6:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Fi608.26120$Vz3.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
BigGivey
EyeSalmon
>Henry isn't a pussy.
I can't think any decent club owner doing business with a racist like you,
would you call Henry a nigger to his face?
>
>
I'm no where near the headliner status much less a feature
status since I haven't been on a comedy stage in over a year, at best I'd
probably qualify as a open mic comic however I'm willing to put up a $500.00
bet that I can blow your nigger ass off any>
>
>
>
The fucking nerve, this place is getting wild.
Where did that come from?
Ian Salmon
www.iansalmon.com
Big Tom
EyeSalmon <eyes...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >$250.00 to any comedy club owner who wants to host this event, that is if
> >Henry isn't a pussy.
>
> I can't think any decent club owner doing business with a racist like you,
> would you call Henry a nigger to his face?
>
is probably going to get accepted at some rather large club.
BTW, I'll put $20 on Henry.
--
Big Tom
www.telerama.com/~tsmith/
ICQ# 14634475
John Curtin
to dick jokes at 20 paces." Shep, why don't you just admit you're in love
with Henry and ask him to marry you?
--
Curtin
"Let it blurt"
http://www.johncurtin.net
in article 49608.26086$Vz3.2...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net, Shep
Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/12/02 9:19 PM:
Dylan Brody
This message could really have stood on its own without the gratuitous use of
the word "nigger." Come on, people. Let's strive, if nothing else, for
civility.
I'm willing to debate in a firendly fashion almost any political viewpoint. I'm
willing to tolerate opinions and idead that are vastly different from my own.
But I really do find bigotry ugly and offensive. Racism, sexism, anti-semitism,
gay-bashing... it all really bugs the hell out of me. So, while I would defend
to the death your right to think what you want and to say what you want, I would
not allow such sentiments in my home. Since what you post on this board comes
directly to my desktop I feel justified in requesting that you keep an eye on
the sentiments you post here.
Go ahead and flame me people. But if you do it by calling me a faggy kike, you
better damn well be doing it with a knowing smile and not a casual hatred.
Dylan
--
Dylan Brody
Nick Adams
to kill file this ignorant son of a bitch too.
nick adams
Shep Slater
> would you call Henry a nigger to his face?
Black people call each other nigger all the time. It seems to be their way
of communicating. They don't seem to be offended at each other. Why is it
that when a white person calls one a nigger in the same context it comes
across as racist. If black people are going to keep the word alive by using
it in a communicating fashion then they should treat it like any other word
when another nationality uses it in the same manner.
KlownHuntr
~KB
Henry Coleman
Shep, you are so eager to lose the money you earned on the backs of
the Mexican Lawn workers you employ. I am not going to take your dirty
money. And plus I look at challenges from you as I would look at my
sweet baby girl pouting about me not giving her a toy or cookie she
wants. Why judge this on one show. I am not going to come anywhere to
perform for free, just to stroke your ego. You do not deserve to be in
my presence. You can pay me to come and rip your stage for 500.00
bucks anything other than that, I am not interested. Sorry Shep. If
you were a working comic, paying your dues on the road or in NYC/LA
then maybe. But you are a quiter. You quit comedy, remember. You are
not allowed to challenge comics. To me you are a little more than a
troll. Merely because I have seen you hack your way through a five
minute set before.
Thank You
Henry Coleman
Shep Slater
"Dylan Brody" <dylbro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3C418FD2...@pacbell.net...
> Shep Slater wrote:
> This message could really have stood on its own without the gratuitous use
of
> the word "nigger." Come on, people. Let's strive, if nothing else, for
> civility.
Why are you so quick to judge that using the word nigger is racist. Have you
never been around a big group of black folks. They use the word nigger as a
way of communicating. To them it's just a word. So when another nationality
uses the word nigger in the same context it should be viewed as just a word.
I find it completely racist that black people have a word that they can use
regularly in speech but that no one else can. If anything is racist, that
is. If black people are going to be offended every time someone uses that
word, then they should abandon it from their vocabulary, otherwise it is
fair game and should be treated like any other word in the English
vocabulary.
Shep
a.w
white nation, huh?
which the hell nation would that be?
the racist nation?
a.w
---
Paul Goebel
>uses the word nigger in the same context it should be viewed as just a word.
Nationality? Hey dumbass, we all live in the same nation. African American
means just that... AMERICAN!
Go get your G.E.D. first and then you can use big words like that.
From the King of TV
"Who's the King?" -The King
www.thekingoftv.com
Shep Slater
"Henry Coleman" wrote
I'm not going to go anywhere to perform for free just to stroke your ego.
Are you admitting right here that you are afraid to go up against an open
mic comic because you know you will lose.
Shep. If you were a working comic, paying your dues on the road or in NYC/LA
then maybe. But you are a quiter. You quit comedy, remember. To me you are a
little more than a troll. Merely because I have seen you hack your way
through a five minute set before.
Well if the above is true, then blowing me off the stage should be a breeze.
Hell, I'm a nobody, my timing is off, I might have a hard time remembering
my punchlines, I might even do something stupid like open with new material
or wear a shower curtain on stage. This is a golden opportunity for you
henry. The golden opportunity is to actually get "paid" as a comic,
something you haven't experienced before unlike myself ,before I "quit" that
is. $500.00 to be exact henry. You could use that money to have your
electricity turned back on, well that is if you would win, and we all know
that is not possible.
By the way, if coming up with $500.00 on your end is the actual reason why
you won't except the bet, then i'll be happy to give your wife the time she
needs to put on those knee pads and go back to yelling curb service so she
can earn enough money for you to except the bet.
Thank you
Shep Slater
Shep Slater
incorrect word rather than typing white, black, hispanic etc. etc. etc.
"a.w" <sunn...@ganglion.of.impar.ca> wrote in message
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Shep Slater
"Paul Goebel" <kingofte...@cs.comengetit> wrote in message
news:20020113120956...@mb-ca.news.cs.com...
> >So when another nationality
> >uses the word nigger in the same context it should be viewed as just a
word.
>
> Nationality? Hey dumbass, we all live in the same nation. African American
> means just that... AMERICAN!
Maybe, but many came from different parts of the world to form our great
nation, dip shit. Think before you type.
a.w
Fire to frying pan. Come in pan.
a.w
--
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > Nationality?
John Curtin
jamile...@hotmail.com wrote on 1/13/02 10:16 AM:
> not only did i have to kill file Henry for being an asshole. now i have
> to kill file this ignorant son of a bitch too.
That's "nig-nant" if you please.
Chrisalsch
>Date: 1/13/2002 8:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <8e11ec12.02011...@posting.google.com>
boat. i suggest hatred 4 da white slave mastah is very inteligent until u move
2 east la
John Curtin
Henry: 1
Shep: 0
--
Curtin
"Let it blurt"
http://www.johncurtin.net
in article 8e11ec12.02011...@posting.google.com, Henry Coleman at
lust...@yahoo.com wrote on 1/13/02 11:37 AM:
John Curtin
Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/13/02 11:37 AM:
> Why are you so quick to judge that using the word nigger is racist.
Because it is?
John Curtin
Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/13/02 12:14 PM:
> Hell, I'm a nobody
Most accurate post you've made in here.
Steve Marmel
From the ashes of our trolls, a new one rises.
Let's be smart about this one, eh?
-- Steve Marmel: Http://www.marmel.com
Comic books. That's right. And lots of them.
Chrisalsch
>From: marm...@aol.commacommo (Steve Marmel)
>Date: 1/13/2002 10:39 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20020113133933...@mb-ct.aol.com>
when u go bakkk 2 da frozen tundra 2 visit your viqueen family do dey thinx u
iz blaq wid your dark cali tan?
EyeSalmon
>of communicating. They don't seem to be offended at each other. Why is it
>that when a white person calls one a nigger in the same context it comes
>across as racist.
Hey don't give me that bullshit, this country is full of people like you and
that is scary, you never know who they are until one day they just snap,
nigger....nigger...nigger, you wanted to hurt Henry's feelings so you used the
worst word you could think of to humiliate Mr. Coleman.
You may think nigger is just a word, but the word nigger changed my life before
I was even born. Which is why I have decided to coordinate with Henry and file
a civil rights law suit against you sir, we will call for a public apology to
be submitted in the form of a NG post, and that your online activity be
signature with the SIG "Shep Slatter Known Racist"
I do understand that in some ways this is very liberating for you....
But I remain confident that we will be able to work this out without further
embracements.
Ian Salmon
www.iansalmon.com
JHeneghen
>>of communicating. They don't seem to be offended at each other. Why is it
>>that when a white person calls one a nigger in the same context it comes
>>across as racist.
Black people may very well call each other n...., but I don't hear them
calling me N...... Why not call a black guy "Honkey"? That makes no sense.
While it is frustrating to be denied the use of any word, sometimes you just
gotta do what is right. If you are in a heated disagreement with someone,
motherfucker or just fuckin dickhead would probably work. If you are fighting
with a black guy and you arent getting your ass kicked quite quick enough,
maybe you have to catch a plane or something, then I would recommend breaking
out the "N" word, should do the trick.
Seriously, if you were raised by racists and bigots, get over it. Evolve.
If none of us ever hear the word again, does the world lose anything? Maybe
Def Jam. Peaceout, play nice. And as long as I'm off the subject... whoever
pulled Doug's plug is a Certified Asshole. Heneghen, white since 1947
Father Luke
From my chair along the wall, I read JHeneghen write . . .
> Why not call a black guy "Honkey"?
Properly, that would be " Cracker " Henny.
>And as long as I'm off the subject... whoever
>pulled Doug's plug is a Certified Asshole. Heneghen
What Mr. Henneghen said.
Father Luke
Shep Slater
you wanted to hurt Henry's feelings so you used the
> worst word you could think of to humiliate Mr. Coleman.
How do you know henry's feelings were hurt? Did he email you and say, wow,
that really hurt my feelings. Doubt it. Henry's a big boy and knowing
henry, he would have emailed me directly if he felt I went over the line in
my post. If anyones feelings were hurt, it was probably your feelings.
However the post wasn't about you nor directed to you, so why don't you just
butt out with your bad assumptions.
Shep Slater
"John Curtin" <come...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Round One-
>
> Henry: 1
> Shep: 0
I must disagree Curtin. I believe I'm loosing so far in the "nigger as just
another word" battle, but I am certainely winning the Henry vs Shep battle.
shep
Dylan Brody
I'm confused, Nick. Are you saying I'm an ignorant son of a bitch for
requesting civility? Or are you talking about the guy I was responding to?
Shep Slater
"JHeneghen" <jhen...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020113143942...@mb-cp.aol.com...
.
While it is frustrating to be denied the use of any word, sometimes you
just gotta do what is right.
Why should any person be denied the use of a word that one race can use
openly and freely, and not be bothered by it. What makes that right?
Sure it was created in the context of hate a hundred years ago, yet if it is
such a painfull word to remember, why is it so freely used amongst those who
it was designed to hurt?
.
Dylan Brody
> "Dylan Brody" <dylbro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3C418FD2...@pacbell.net...
> > Shep Slater wrote:
> > This message could really have stood on its own without the gratuitous use
> of
> > the word "nigger." Come on, people. Let's strive, if nothing else, for
> > civility.
>
> Why are you so quick to judge that using the word nigger is racist.
Because it started as an insult and efforts have been made over the decades to
expunge it from the vocabulary as part of the language of hate.
> Have you
> never been around a big group of black folks. They use the word nigger as a
> way of communicating. To them it's just a word.
Actually, no, it's not. It's a way of taking control and power over a word that
has been used by whites to demean and marginalize them for years. I'm betting
you are not black. You, therefore, are using it in a racist way with intent to
arouse anger.
> So when another nationality
NATIONALITY!?!?! Now blacks don't share your nationality? This is why I think
you're a racist. This kind of unthinking use of language belies your true
feelings.
Evolve. I told you that you'd offended me. The civil thing to do is to say,
"sorry. I won't do that again." Not justify the action knowing that it has
offended me.
Dylan
John Curtin
Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/13/02 4:01 PM:
> I must disagree Curtin. I believe I'm loosing so far in the "nigger as just
> another word" battle, but I am certainely winning the Henry vs Shep battle.
> shep
Only in your own mind. Welcome to this killfile. Sorry I even let it go
this far folks. *sigh*
Curtin
-Me and my Irish temper...
EyeSalmon
>that really hurt my feelings. Doubt it. Henry's a big boy and knowing
>henry, he would have emailed me directly if he felt I went over the line in
>my post. If anyones feelings were hurt, it was probably your feelings.
>However the post wasn't about you nor directed to you, so why don't you just
>butt out with your bad assumptions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
You have the right to remain silent................
Ian Salmon
www.iansalmon.com
JHeneghen
>such a painfull word to remember, why is it so freely used amongst those who
>it was designed to hurt?
>.
Because, for the first time, the word can be used with love. There is a
commonality among these people and they are taking the word as their own. If
you want to use it, that is fine. I know a few places in New York you can try
out your freedom of speech. Then you might just yell "fire" in the theatre if
you choose. As a matter of fact, the one time I think you should use the word
is in the middle of Henry's act at the Appollo. Get it on tape. Heneghen,
Gramma was a Cherokee (not a Jeep) and we been passin for 3 generations.
Africans were the first non-indigenous(sp) folks on this continent. Ran away
from the slavers and settled with the Indians in the Southeast. Henny
HENEGHEN
"Pulling Doug's Plug" does sound kinda like a porno. Sorry Doug,
sometimes building charater (sp) is a real pain. Hang in there pal.
henny
Shep Slater
Sure it was created in the context of hate a hundred years ago, yet if it is
such a painfull word to remember, why is it so freely used amongst those who
it was designed to hurt?
> >.
>
> Because, for the first time, the word can be used with love
Okay, I can understand that. But still the question remains why it means
hate and not a form of love or a friendly banter the minute another race
uses the word. Why does one jump to the conclusion that the speaker is
being racist. Why can't the speaker who uses the word be treated equally
regardless of race, that is what everyone seeks isn't it... to be treated
equally?
shep
Shep Slater
shep
>
Shep Slater
shep slater wrote
. To them it's just a word.
>
> Actually, no, it's not. It's a way of taking control and power over a
word that
> has been used by whites to demean and marginalize them for years. I'm
betting
> you are not black. You, therefore, are using it in a racist way with
intent to
> arouse anger.
>
to speed on this particular topic. I'm disappointed in you Dylan that you to
are so easily ready to label someone as rascist. It shows that you are
rather one sided in your point of view.
Linda
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Why should any person be denied the use of a word that one race can use
> openly and freely, and not be bothered by it. What makes that right?
> Sure it was created in the context of hate a hundred years ago, yet if it
is
> such a painfull word to remember, why is it so freely used amongst those
who
> it was designed to hurt?
Please forgive me if I'm wrong about this (to those it concerns) but I'm
ASKING if this is the thinking behind it? For one black person to greet
another black person with something like "What's up, my nigga?" -- and to
me, it sounds um... less harsh than *with* the ER sound on the end
(remembering that I don't have an American accent & I can hear the
difference more readily) -- isn't that with the tone of a 'brotherhood' of
love and respect and a 'belonging' to a group of once heavily persecuted
people? Isn't it done with a kind heart AND a sense of pride that says "I
know, you know, we all know, I'm with you in this?" I hope I understand it
that it's very, very few white/European descended people that could
understand this and really, have no right to use it in the way a black
person intends its use because they just *couldn't* know what the fuck it
means. Would it be similar, to say, if one holocaust victim/survivor said
to another knowing he/she too, were a holocaust victim (or descendant
thereof) used a term in greeting or general speech that identified this
"knowing" that only a holocaust survivor is capable of knowing? Remember,
I'm ASKING this, not stating this.
And if this is so, I can understand that it is an exclusive right that is
earned and not readily shared with those who can't know, feel or respect.
Keeping in mind that the Human Race's time on this Earth has existed for
milenniums -- (see: Dinosaur threads, heh) -- and slavery and theft of a
race of people has only been abolished within the past century and that,
when you think of it, ain't so long ago.
L
Linda
"Nick Adams" <jamile...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> not only did i have to kill file Henry for being an asshole. now i have
> to kill file this ignorant son of a bitch too.
> nick adams
ARE you talking about Dylan, Nick? If so, Dylan is hardly ignorant. On the
contrary and his mother isn't even a bitch; she's quite nice, really.
L
Linda
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> "Paul Goebel" wrote
> > Nationality? Hey dumbass, we all live in the same nation. African
American
> > means just that... AMERICAN!
>
> Maybe, but many came from different parts of the world to form our great
> nation, dip shit. Think before you type.
>
What? You mean as freewilled tourists/immigrants? Heh. Goebel did
actually think first. You could give thinking first a go, too, if you like,
Shep. It's free!
L
Linda
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Why don't you read some of the other posts in this thread so you can get
up
> to speed on this particular topic. I'm disappointed in you Dylan that you
to
> are so easily ready to label someone as rascist. It shows that you are
> rather one sided in your point of view.
No, he isn't. As he said, you *could* just say sorry to him and any others
you've "accidentally" offended. The next step would be to learn why you had
this "accident" so as not to repeat it outside the home (because apparently
the greatest percentage of childhood accidents are from within the home.)
Best to find out before venturing out into the world.
L
JHeneghen
>uses the word. Why does one jump to the conclusion that the speaker is
>being racist. Why can't the speaker who uses the word be treated equally
>regardless of race, that is what everyone seeks isn't it... to be treated
>equally?
>shep
>
>
>
>
construed in that way. No the ideal is not to be treated equally. The ideal
is to be treated fairly. We are all just a little different, less than 1% of
the DNA determines all the differences. All men are not created equal. We are
different. Quit calling us names. I am Irish. Other Irishmen can call me
"mick" and there is no problem.
But if you call me "mick" and you are, let's say a Limeyfuckin Brit, things can
be misunderstood. Better with a Bro or Sir or something approriate. See how
that works? If you are sincere about gaining the right to say the n word
without people judging you. Get put in a cell with Iron Mike next time he gets
in the paper, practice saying the word aloud until he no longer punches you in
your bonehead. come on, do you really need that word? Did Jerry Seinfeld need
that word? Be responsible for your deeds and words are deeds dude. henegheni,
I'm just sayin...
>
>
>
PI COMIC
of this hole.
How do you explain to someone who doesn't get it that the problem is that they
don't get it?
Chris
Xpicomic
Dylan Brody
Well, apparently you haven't actually met my mom. But I thank you for leaping
to my defense, nonetheless, oh lovely one.
Kristi Kelly
openly and freely, and not be bothered by it. What makes that right?
Sure it was created in the context of hate a hundred years ago, yet if it is
such a painfull word to remember, why is it so freely used amongst those who
it was designed to hurt?<<<
Why don't you just admit that you were wrong, and that you said it to piss him
off, instead of trying to justify yourself?
The word is offensive when used in the context you used it in. You know it, I
know it. Stop trying to analyze the word, and your beliefs on whether it's
offensive or not just to cover your ass, and apologize. It was below the belt.
Kristi Kelly
brickwallcomedy.com
Joe Dixon
Probably Nelson George):
I just said Nigger a whole lot. You probably think I shouldn't use the
N-word, but that rule is just for white folks. Any black person can
say nigger and get away with it. Its true. Its like calling your kid
an idiot. Only you can call your kid an idiot. Someone else calls your
kid an idiot and there's a fight.
Yet, some white people still wonder why black people can say Nigger
and they can't. Believe it or not, its a very common question. I hear
it all the time.
White Person: Chris, can I say Nigger?
Me: Why would you even want to?
White Person: I don't mean anything by it. I've traveled the world. I
got a yacht. I fucked Raquel Welch. Now, if I could just say nigger,
everything would be complete.
Me: No, after I smack you upside the head everything would be
complete.
-Joe Dixon
Shep Slater
"Kristi Kelly" <lec...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020113201525...@mb-ce.aol.com...
> Why don't you just admit that you were wrong, and that you said it to
piss him
> off, instead of trying to justify yourself?
> The word is offensive when used in the context you used it in. You know
it, I
> know it. Stop trying to analyze the word, and your beliefs on whether it's
> offensive or not just to cover your ass, and apologize. It was below the
belt.
>
democrats and liberals in this newsgroup who I have offended by debating the
word, along with any republicans and other jump to the gun "you are a
racist" people, and as far as henry and I are concerned, we will leave the
said phrase as friendly banter until henry says otherwise.
Thank you
shep slater
We have now put a close to the once a year racist debate.
Duff
Though, as this thread grows, some parameters perhaps for the
discussion.
Egotist - Excessive reference to oneself; self-centerness.
Racist - A belief that one's own race is superior; a policy or
practice based on racism.
Prejudice - An opinion, especially an unfavorable one, formed
beforehand or without knowledge or thought;
unreasonable, hostile attitudes regarding a racial,
religious, or national group.
Apology - An expression of regret, as for having been rude.
Apologist - A person who defends an idea, faith, cause, or
institution.
Without a dog in this fight, it is my suspicion that both Shep and
Henry have provoked the kinds of responses each sought, though not for
the reasons the folks making the posts believe them each to hold.
I. M. Kinder-Dumm
> From the ashes of our trolls, a new one rises.
I almost hate to ask, but what, exactly, happened to the trolls in
this newsgroup? They just up and disappeared one day. It's like a
creepy "Night of the Comet" scenario, but with a happier ending.
Also, as far as the N-word goes, I remember a comic on Premium Belnd
this year who had a joke (forgive me, but I misremember other
peoeple's material) about how he was being interviewed, and the
interviewer asked him why black comics can say the N-word, but white
comics can't. He said, "I think white people abused that privilege a
long itme ago" or something like that. It made me laugh really hard.
Anyway, I'll allow myself the privilege of saying the N-word around
the time that black people have the privilege of walking from point A
to point B in this city without worrying about being stopped because
they "fit the profile."
Liam M.
Love is all you need - in the form of sweet, sweet white pootie
Dylan Brody
>
> I got a better idea Kristi, why don't I apologize to all the pansy ass
> democrats and liberals in this newsgroup who I have offended by debating the
> word, along with any republicans ...
Oddly, this is exactly what I was wondering. Why don't you?
SpikeRizzo
<snip>
>Yet, some white people still wonder why black people can say Nigger
>and they can't.
Im finding this thread very boring though I just want to point out that white
people call other white people cracker and redneck yet black folks call us that
too. How come they get a pass?
What up wit dat?
All I can say is.....NIGGA PLEEZE!
sr
mike shader
> > Shep Slater wrote:
> > This message could really have stood on its own without the gratuitous use
> of
> > the word "nigger." Come on, people. Let's strive, if nothing else, for
> > civility.
>
> never been around a big group of black folks. They use the word nigger as a
> uses the word nigger in the same context it should be viewed as just a word.
> I find it completely racist that black people have a word that they can use
> regularly in speech but that no one else can. If anything is racist, that
> is. If black people are going to be offended every time someone uses that
> word, then they should abandon it from their vocabulary, otherwise it is
> fair game and should be treated like any other word in the English
> vocabulary.
>
> Shep
Damm, thanks for the edification Shep. Its all so clear now. If only
we could all use the n word in peace.
mike
MARK KNOPE
>that really hurt my feelings. Doubt it. Henry's a big boy and knowing
>henry, he would have emailed me directly if he felt I went over the line in
>my post. If anyones feelings were hurt, it was probably your feelings.
>However the post wasn't about you nor directed to you, so why don't you just
>butt out with your bad assumptions.
I could give a flying poop either way, Shep...HOWEVER, you called Hank out in a
VERY public forum. By doing that, you left yourself open to criticism and
response.
Whether you feel you were right or wrong...it's too late to use the "butt out
with your bad assumptions" defense. YOU laid it out here for all to see -- so,
in turn, YOU also have to deal with those who decide to respond.
There has to be more to this than Hank's ability and bravado, Shep...WHAT is it
about him that's really eating away at you?
kinetic
>
> I got a better idea Kristi, why don't I apologize to all the pansy ass
> democrats and liberals in this newsgroup who I have offended by debating
the
> word, along with any republicans and other jump to the gun "you are a
> racist" people, and as far as henry and I are concerned, we will leave the
> said phrase as friendly banter until henry says otherwise.
I'm with the Klansman Shep "the racist" Slater on this one. It's like the
Hitler-lover posted above: why are people so offended by words? They are
just words. Don't worry about a thing racist Shep Slater, I'll support your
white supremist views!
In fact, for fun, you should sign all your posts as "racist", "bigot",
"nazi", "Klansman", or "white supremist" - and demand that we refer to you
by these names as well. Because they are just words, and nobody would take
them the wrong way, right?
~ Jamie West
SpikeRizzo
<snip>
>Yet, some white people still wonder why black people can say Nigger
>and they can't.
White people call other white people cracker and redneck and black folks get to
do so too.
What up wit dat?
All I gots to say is.....NIGGA PLEEZE!
sr
Paul Goebel
oppressed for years in this country and have had their culture stripped away
and have to deal with racism every day of their lives.
Is it really that important for you to use that word? Jesus, have some
compassion and use your head. If it's not a big deal, be the bigger man and
recognize that people don't like to hear the word. How much fucking simpler can
it be?
From the King of TV
"Who's the King?" -The King
www.thekingoftv.com
John Rabon
Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/13/02 11:23 AM:
> all right I admit, bad choise of words, it just seemed easier to use one
> incorrect word rather than typing white, black, hispanic etc. etc. etc.
A normal person would have just referred to him as an asshole. Or a
hack...or a delusional freak...
You see, that's what we do in the real world. And it's not a liberal thing
to treat everybody equally.
Rabon, conservative
Tommy James
the word in their act, and yet no one considers them racist?
I can think of two off the bat. Doug Stanhope, and if my memory serves me
right, Kerry White uses it too. How come no one jumps down their throats? Is
it because we know them and no one knows this Shep fella?
If that's the case, everyone who feels that way is just as wrong as Shep may or
may not be. Any opinions?
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
John Rabon
jamie...@sympatico.ca wrote on 1/14/02 10:04 AM:
Point taken, Jamie, but Shep does have a vague point. While I don't agree
with his choice of language, I don't agree with crying "racist" at a drop of
a hat, either...because it comes back to the differences of being a racist,
bigot or just being prejudiced.
Maybe some of you remember the phrase "black people, as a rule, don't tip"
which started a 6 month flame war...Every person that called that individual
a racist because of that statement was wrong. It was prejudiced.
Shep's comments are closer to bigoted, unless he clarifies that he doesn't
hate people specifically because they're black or thinks he's better than
them. Then he's just an insensitive prejudiced prick.
Not that any of that matters, since Shep is just the creation of another
comedian. And a good one.
Shep vs. Henry? My money's on the club that competes with the one that will
actually host the event.
Rabon
Dylan Brody
In truth, Tommy, I used to have a joke that used the "n" word. I used in a way
that made it quite apparent that I was not in agreement with the character I was
quoting when I used it. It had marvellous shock value showing up in an act that
was so heavily geared to urge tolerance. I also used the word "fag" in a piece
about homophobia. The issue is context.
I've never seen Stanhope's use of the word. I'm willing to bet it's done with a
fair amount of self-awareness and an eye toward devaluing racism as opposed to
acceptance of it.
The problem with Shep's use is that he was using the word in the traditional,
venom-filled way. He was calling out Henry and called him a "nigger" (I can't even
type it comfortably without the quotation marks) as a deliberate insult.
I readily admit that I'm a wussy, left-leaning bleeding-heart. In high school I
used to call people on their bigotry and prejudice. All forms. I interrupted
teachers during class to point out gender bias in their presentation, I got my ass
kicked by football players for challenging their anti-gay crap, and I've always
been ready to call people on racism, anti-semitism and nationalistic and religeous
chauvenism. I think all modes of thinking that lead to exclusionary behaviour are
counter-evolutionary and unhealthy to humanity as a whole. When I DON'T stop
someone and call them on these things I harbor guilt over it. (I still feel a
little guilty about not choosing to talk to Marmel after a Saturday night set of
his in which he did an anti-arab rant that I found reprehensible. I wanted to know
whether there was a level of irony at work -- if so it wasn't coming across on
stage -- or he was just pandering to the worst in himself and his audience. --
Steve, if you're reading this, come on in and tell me.)
Do I expect to change everybody's mind so that the whole world thinks the way I
do? Of course not. But I do want to be able to go to sleep every night knowing
that I am not a co-conspirator in the thoughtless emotional and itellectual
repression of anybody.
You dig? Shep wasn't making a point about racism or about the language of hate.
He was using the language of hate as a weapon in a usenet (all language) attack. He
was perpetuating the use of language as a means of demeaning and alienating someone
better than whom he wishes to feel.
Dylan
Shep Slater
"John Rabon" <johnrabonRE...@johnrabon.com> wrote in message
news:B86877AC.4C2A%johnrabonRE...@johnrabon.com...
> in article Ooj08.27946$zw3.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, Shep
> Slater at sheps...@earthlink.net wrote on 1/13/02 11:23 AM:
> A normal person would have just referred to him as an asshole
Being normal to me is boring and uneventfull.
shep
Shep Slater
Dylan and the others who feel that my use of the word nigger in my sentence
toward henry was racist aimed as hate rather than friendly banter, my
question is, "If I was black and had typed that same sentence, would you and
all the others called me a racist" I DOUBT IT... and there lies the racism.
Shep
"Dylan Brody" <dylbro...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:3C432EB4...@pacbell.net...
Shep Slater
"MARK KNOPE" <mkn...@aol.comZAP> wrote in message
news:20020114103248...@mb-ck.aol.com...
>
> I could give a flying poop either way, Shep...HOWEVER, you called Hank out
in a
> VERY public forum. By doing that, you left yourself open to criticism and
> response.
Very true, but why am I imediately labeled as a racist. Most of the people
in this group don't even know me, yet I use one word and automatically I'm a
racist. If I was black and typed the same sentence no one would have given
this post a second thought. It's only when a white person uses the word that
he is automatically assumed racist. Black people don't want to be singled
out as the guilty one, or the one who won't get that promotion because they
are black and as a white person I'm tired of being singled out as a racist,
whether I use a word, or being called a racist because I didn't give you a
job because you didn't deserve it. Black people in my opinion are using
racist as a crutch to get what they don't deserve. Not always, but much more
than should. It's becoming like the boy who cried wolf.
Shep Slater
should not automatically label you as a racist. By using the word asshole in
that sentence would have come across with more of an angry tone as if I was
mad at henry for some reason. I'm not angry at henry, I'm playing with
henry. When henry steps up to the plate and tells us all that he was
extremely offended by my choice of words, I will apologize to henry. Until
then... use your own choice of words to finish this sentence.
signed the
bigot, racist, hitler, and any other quick to judge word you can come up
with.
>
Dylan Brody
> I should start a new thread with this question, but my question to you
> Dylan and the others who feel that my use of the word nigger in my sentence
> toward henry was racist aimed as hate rather than friendly banter, my
> question is, "If I was black and had typed that same sentence, would you and
> all the others called me a racist" I DOUBT IT... and there lies the racism.
Actually, yeah. I'd still consider it racist if it was used in the same
context. I think self-loathing anti-semitisim is as dangerous as gentile
anti-semitism. I think self-loathing racism is as dangerous as white racism.
It's context and intent that matters, Shepella, my little slater. And to use
"nigger" as a fightin' word, as you did in your original post, steps over the
line regardless of your skin tone.
I think you're mistaking genuine social concern for knee-jerk political
corectness.
Tommy James
>Not that any of that matters, since Shep is just the creation of another
>comedian. And a good one.
<><><><><><><><><><>
That's where you are wrong John. Shep is a very real person. Anyone who has
spent time hanging around the Punchline in Atlanta can verify this. he used to
doalot of open mic and emcee work in and around town, but seemed to stop
hanging out around a year and a half ago.
Not defending him, just confirming he is real.
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
Baldwiny
>all the others called me a racist" I DOUBT IT... and there lies the racism.
>Shep
I don't think you're racist ... I think you're Kip Addotta.
Steve
PI COMIC
No quarrel there. However, if people would stop being so thin-skinned, the
power of the word would die.
If black people stopped reacting to the word "nigger," ignorant fucks who use
it would have no power to offend. So they'd stop using the word. The only
reason they use the word is because it WORKS. It gets the desired reaction.
Every time.
It's like "cunt." The only reason the word has power is cuz women allow it.
They have no word to respond in kind with. There is nothing a woman can call a
guy that has the same effect. Call me a dick, prick, cocksucker, faggot...I
don't care. I call her a cunt and she is defeated.
It's ridiculous. Black people who freak out over the word "nigger" literally
are empowering those who would say the word in an attempt to hurt. Sorry, but
offended black people contribute to the perpetuation of the word.
It's so silly.
We live in a ridiculously pc world with language and thought police. "Nigger"
isn't the problem, the hatred behind the word is the problem, as evidenced by
the usage of the word by black poeple on a regular basis. When people on the
receiving end stop acting as though the world comes to an end with the
utterance of a derogatory statement, the power of the word will be gone.
If you manage to stop the word being used, have you changed the heart of the
person who would use it? Of course not. That's the challenge.
If Joe Redneck calls a black man a "nigger" and the black man laughs and walks
away, Joe Redneck will scratch his head so hard it'll bleed. Suddenly, Joe
Redneck is unarmed.
If Joe redneck is with friends and say" watch me piss this fucker off...Hey
nigger!" and the black guy laughs and goes away, Joe Redneck and his friends
will be at a total loss. They may even try and find out why they no longer have
the power to offend. Maybe...just maybe...they may even realize that, since
they can't push buttons anymore, they'll have to actually get to know the guy
they were attempiing to fuck with.
And maybe racism will die that much quicker.
Maybe not, but it sounds good.
Chris
Xpicomic
John Rabon
comedyi...@aol.communists wrote on 1/14/02 3:29 PM:
Nuh uh.
Shep Slater
>
> I don't think you're racist ... I think you're Kip Addotta.
>
> Steve
>
shep
Shep Slater
"PI COMIC" <pic...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020114165013...@mb-fw.aol.com...
to this thread yet. Thank you.
Shep
Kristi Kelly
this post a second thought. It's only when a white person uses the word that
he is automatically assumed racist.<<<
>>> Black people in my opinion are using
racist as a crutch to get what they don't deserve. Not always, but much more
than should. It's becoming like the boy who cried wolf.<<<
I don't agree here at all. Having no idea what it's like to be black and have
strangers judge you by your color, neither you nor I have any right to judge
whether their they use racism as a 'crutch'.
Eddie Murphy said it best:
"I'm walking around downtown in New York when someone behind me says Hey
Nigger! I turn around and he says, Oh Sorry! I didn't know you were Eddie
Murphy!"
Kristi Kelly
brickwallcomedy.com
Laphboy
>Very true, but why am I imediately labeled as a racist. Most of the people
>in this group don't even know me, yet I use one word and automatically I'm
>a racist.
Hey, Shep!
It's probably because you used an offensive racial slur in a sentence.
That's usually what does it.
If I, as a white guy, walk into a room and say "chink", all the slants are
gonna get pissed and think I'm a racist. And if I, as a white guy, walk into a
room and say "spic", all the wetbacks will go thru the roof. And if I, as a
white guy, walk into a room and say "hebe", all the kikes are gonna sue.
If I use any of those terms around any of those groups - without a majority
of the people in the room knowing me well enough to know I was absolutely
kidding - I could see easily where I would be called a racist.
If I, as a white guy, walk into a room and say "whitey", all the white guys
laugh. Why...? 'Cause it's me, silly. I'm whitey, and I'm *saying* whitey.
That's why black guys can use it, and you can't.
>If I was black and typed the same sentence no one would have given
>this post a second thought.
For what it's worth, I thought you were black, so when I read your post, I
thought, "Geez, why does *anyone* have to use that word...?"
And again, FWIW, I don't think you're racist - but I think you're wasting
time defending your use of the word. Me, I'd toss out a quick apology to
anyone I may have offended and let it blow over...
steve gelder
http://www.stevegelder.com
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http://members.aol.com/comedyfaq/faq.html
Linda
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote
> Very true, but why am I imediately labeled as a racist. Most of the people
> in this group don't even know me, yet I use one word and automatically I'm
a
> racist. If I was black and typed the same sentence no one would have given
> this post a second thought. It's only when a white person uses the word
that
> he is automatically assumed racist. Black people don't want to be singled
> out as the guilty one, or the one who won't get that promotion because
they
> are black and as a white person I'm tired of being singled out as a
racist,
> whether I use a word, or being called a racist because I didn't give you a
> job because you didn't deserve it. Black people in my opinion are using
> racist as a crutch to get what they don't deserve. Not always, but much
more
> than should. It's becoming like the boy who cried wolf.
I'd just like to say right here that you COULD have used the word nigger in
that paragraph (above) to explain the story such as "...only when a white
person uses the word nigger that he is automatically assumed..." etc.
Because you are explaining someTHING (the context) and not somePERSON. It's
not about using "the word" it's about calling someone, labelling them, a
nigger (especially when it's not clearly defined as a friendly gesture.)
That's not good. I guess it's not so much the WORD when talking about why
or why not it should be used, it's about whether or not you call someone
one.
L
Myach
>my question is, "If I was black and had typed that same sentence, would you
and
> all the others called me a racist" I DOUBT IT...
It's a reality that within any ethnic group, there are terms that are thrown
around which aren't acceptable from those outside that group.
It's not right. It's not wrong. It's just the way it is. Accept it and move
on.
- Matusof
MARK KNOPE
>in this group don't even know me, yet I use one word and automatically I'm a
>racist. If I was black and typed the same sentence no one would have given
>this post a second thought. It's only when a white person uses the word that
>he is automatically assumed racist.
What up, Cracker?!?
You're right...I don't know you.
You're white?
Geeez...this makes the whole thing even worse, doesn't it?
Just between you and me, though, Shep...you DID know better, didn't you?
Ryan Silverman
>in this group don't even know me, yet I use one word and automatically I'm a
>racist.
You used one word in a context whose purpose was to antagonize Henry. and
obviously the fact that he's black played into your challenge, because you made
the BET reference in your subject window.
>If I was black and typed the same sentence no one would have given
>this post a second thought.
you're right, and that's because the word was created by white people for the
purposes of insulting black people. When a black person uses it, it's there
attempt to fight opression. When a white person uses it to antagonize a black
person, there's a definate racial undertone to it, ESPECIALLY in the context of
your post in which you clearly were thinking at least partially about Henry's
race, obviously his being black influenced you in that post.. eveidence was in
the fucking title.
I keep hearing you say "if I was black, If I was black" well the fact is you
AREN'T black, and that DOES change things.
>I'm tired of being singled out as a racist,
>whether I use a word
then stop using the word. problem solved.
>or being called a racist because I didn't give you a
>job because you didn't deserve it. Black people in my opinion are using
>racist as a crutch to get what they don't deserve.
This is true, though just from what I've read you post on here, I can't see it
being very hard for a black person to feel like you're looking at them
differently than a white applicant.
You keep telling us not to be offended for Henry, I'm not offended for Henry,
I'm offended for myself. I don't have to be a black person to be disgusted
when someone uses a racial slur for the purposes of antagonizing someone.
Rye
Ryan Silverman
>Also, as far as the N-word goes, I remember a comic on Premium Belnd
>this year who had a joke (forgive me, but I misremember other
>peoeple's material) about how he was being interviewed, and the
>interviewer asked him why black comics can say the N-word, but white
>comics can't. He said, "I think white people abused that privilege a
>long itme ago" or something like that. It made me laugh really hard.
yeah, god I wish I could remember his name, but I too was thinking about it
when reading all the posts in these threads, I know he added "we got a little
bossy with it"
There was another comic on Premium Blend this year who did a whole bit where he
used Cracka in the way some black comics use n***a "I was walking wit my Cracka
friends, and I was like 'what's up Cracka?' and he was like 'not much cracka,
just trying ta keep my prostitutes in line' and I was like 'cracka please'
also very funny.
Rye
kinetic
> bigot, racist, hitler, and any other quick to judge word you can come up
> with.
Hey nazi!
I'm not calling you names because I'm quick to judge. Just because you and
the rest of your KKK white supremist family judge everyone doesn't mean that
we do too. Besides, they're just words - what's the harm in that?
~ Jamie West
kinetic
> Point taken, Jamie, but Shep does have a vague point. While I don't agree
> with his choice of language, I don't agree with crying "racist" at a drop
of
> a hat, either...because it comes back to the differences of being a
racist,
> bigot or just being prejudiced.
I wasn't calling the wife-beater a racist. I really believe what Shep "the
child molester" said: they're just words, why would anyone think they'd be
offensive?
~ Jamie West
Shep Slater
"Kristi Kelly" <lec...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
Having no idea what it's like to be black and have
> strangers judge you by your color, neither you nor I have any right to
judge
First of all, I don't judge people especially black people by their color. I
judge people by their behavior or the way they present themselves as a
person. Color has nothing to do with it. Second, I'm amazed that you are so
blind to today's society that you can't see the racism crutch that is being
used way to often. My thought is that you are well aware of it yet you hide
behind your insecurities and are afraid that if you speak up you might step
on the wrong toes.... and oooooooohhh we wouldn't want that to happen would
we.
kinetic
> I should start a new thread with this question, but my question to you
> Dylan and the others who feel that my use of the word nigger in my
sentence
> toward henry was racist aimed as hate rather than friendly banter, my
> question is, "If I was black and had typed that same sentence, would you
and
> all the others called me a racist" I DOUBT IT... and there lies the
racism.
But you aren't black, so you don't get to have that right. Geez, Shep you
are doing nothing to break the "White supremists are morons" stereotype.
Besides, in the same way that not all white people beat their wives and
watch wrestling, I'm pretty sure that not every black person has decided to
replace "Sup Nigga?" With "nice to meet you."
Also, I'm not sure you can use something potentially insulting like that as
an endearing term if you don't really know the person. For example, I have a
friend who I've known since I was 10. A few years ago, he was hit by a car
and had part of his foot amputated. We're close friends, so he knows I'm
kidding if I called him cripple. The guy who begs for quarters near the
Burger King probably wouldn't take it so light-heartily.
~ Jamie West
kinetic
>
> Black people in my opinion are using
> racist as a crutch to get what they don't deserve.
Hey skinhead, tell us what you hate about the Jews next!
~ Jamie West
Linda
"Shep Slater" <sheps...@earthlink.net> wrote
> My thought is that you are well aware of it yet you hide
> behind your insecurities and are afraid that if you speak up you might
step
> on the wrong toes.... and oooooooohhh we wouldn't want that to happen
would
> we.
Bullshit. Utter, utter bullshit. It's got nothing to do with insecurities.
L
Kristi Kelly
>>> My thought is that you are well aware of it yet you hide behind your
insecurities and are afraid that if you speak up you might step on the wrong
toes.... and oooooooohhh we wouldn't want that to happen would
we.<<<
Uhh.......yeah........
Kristi Kelly
brickwallcomedy.com
Shep Slater
"kinetic" <jamie...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> Hey nazi!
>
> just words - what's the harm in that?
>
> ~ Jamie West
>
absolutely no offence to you calling me a Nazi, Bigot, racist or any other
word. I guess it's because I'm a mature adult and wise enough not to let
silly little words bother me, though I still find it quite humorous that
everyone thinks I am a racist. That is so fucking funny to me. Ooops, I
better not say fucking, I might offend a cripple... damn I did it again, now
all the midgets are gonna hate me... shit there I go again, what am I gonna
do, if the midgets don't like me then the only friends that I might have
left on the newsgroup are the female comics, but we all know they aren't
fuuny and I don't like to hang around people who aren't funny. I guess I'll
just have to crawl back under my rock and hang out with the rest of the
trolls like Jamie West.
shep
Shep Slater
See that wasn't so hard to admit now was it. I knew we had something in
common the minute you posted.
shep
kinetic
> You're right, it is just a word. Funny, I don't even know you and I take
> absolutely no offence to you calling me a Nazi, Bigot, racist or any other
> word. I guess it's because I'm a mature adult and wise enough not to let
> silly little words bother me, though I still find it quite humorous that
> everyone thinks I am a racist. That is so fucking funny to me. Ooops, I
> better not say fucking, I might offend a cripple... damn I did it again,
now
> all the midgets are gonna hate me... shit there I go again, what am I
gonna
> do, if the midgets don't like me then the only friends that I might have
> left on the newsgroup are the female comics, but we all know they aren't
> fuuny and I don't like to hang around people who aren't funny. I guess
I'll
> just have to crawl back under my rock and hang out with the rest of the
> trolls like Jamie West.
> shep
Whatever, baby-eater.
~ Jamie West
PI COMIC
>to this thread yet. Thank you.
>Shep
>
however, after reading YOUR posts...if you agree with me I'll have to rethink
my position.
Chris
Xpicomic
Ryan Silverman
>If I, as a white guy, walk into a room and say "chink", all the slants are
>gonna get pissed and think I'm a racist. And if I, as a white guy, walk into
>a
>room and say "spic", all the wetbacks will go thru the roof. And if I, as a
>white guy, walk into a room and say "hebe", all the kikes are gonna sue
and if you walked into a room full of Brontosauruses and said "hey worthless
pieces of education" all those thunderlizards would crush you with their feet.
Rye
Laphboy
>and if you walked into a room full of Brontosauruses and said "hey worthless
>pieces of education" all those thunderlizards would crush you with their
>feet.
Not before I issued a formal apology to each and every one of the parents in
the "dino" threads, they wouldn't.
"Hey! Guess what I ran into today...? No, a whole ROOM full of them!"
Agian, not a dino guy, but how many Brontosauri would it take to fill a
room?
Baldwiny
>room?
>
>steve gelder
Is he a headliner or just a closer?
Steve
Kristi Kelly
absolutely no offence to you calling me a Nazi, Bigot, racist or any other
word. I guess it's because I'm a mature adult and wise enough not to let
silly little words bother me, though I still find it quite humorous that
everyone thinks I am a racist. That is so fucking funny to me. Ooops, I
better not say fucking, I might offend a cripple... damn I did it again, now
all the midgets are gonna hate me... shit there I go again, what am I gonna
do, if the midgets don't like me then the only friends that I might have
left on the newsgroup are the female comics, but we all know they aren't
fuuny and I don't like to hang around people who aren't funny. I guess I'll
just have to crawl back under my rock and hang out with the rest of the
trolls like Jamie West.
shep<<<
Wha? What was that noise? Oh...it was the promo/bio pack you sent us ripping
in half.....
Fuckin' Idiot...
Kristi Kelly
brickwallcomedy.com
Flip
>of communicating. They don't seem to be offended at each other. Why is it
>that when a white person calls one a nigger in the same context it comes
>across as racist. If black people are going to keep the word alive by using
>it in a communicating fashion then they should treat it like any other word
>when another nationality uses it in the same manner.
I'm only on post #5 on this thread, so I'm sure someone else already stated
this, but I want to go on record to say this:
When black people use this term, it is as a greeting, as if you were to say to
the fellow members of your klan, "Hey man". You used it in a derogitory,
racist manner, and that my friend is wrong and disgusting.
jew
ps-I guess I would be kyke, right?
<a href="http://www.flipschultz.com">www.flipschultz.com</a>
GOOFYCHIK1
so we can have more time to slam another group of people...dumb-*ss midgets!!!
6'1" & black!