i hate police procedurals and people who Whistle -- but i think i hate whistlers just a Lil' Bit More

[bozo]

The CHOMO (Child Molester) theme must be a highly reliable plot device
in the police-procedural TV script binness cuz between the "Law &
Order SVU 'Manhattan Vigil' episode I saw on Friday and the "CSI NY
'Misconceptions' episode I saw on Saturday, the two shows managed to
virtually clone each others story line except for a few names, dates,
and digg'n up dem bones ... but for gawd sakes give your gum shoes a
rest you poor tired old TV script writers, and stop try'n to always
haunt us with the same old bogeyman of a CHOMO under every rock in the
big city ... it's getting a bit weary ... and if you whistle when you
work or walk by my place, you're as good as a dead CHOMO in my book.

-bdn-

[Gary Eickmeier]

"bozo" <Bozo_D...@37.com> wrote in message
news:d39daab1-f58b-4e75...@s18g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

I hate supermarket whistlers. Usually just nervous whistling with no known
tune, just annoying everyone around them.

Gary Eickmeier

[Tommy Joe]

"Getting" weary? Come on Bozo, that Law and Order crap has been
off my radar for years. I swear if I were locked in jail alone with a
tv, even then I would find other ways to occupy my time. I might turn
it on just for the commercials. At least with those the format or and
theme might change from day to day unlike the show itself which is the
same old story from the show's inception to now.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Oct 29, 2:03 am, "Gary Eickmeier" <geick...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:



> I hate supermarket whistlers. Usually just nervous whistling with no known
> tune, just annoying everyone around them.

I've heard that people sometime whistle while walking through
graveyards. I wonder if it annoys the dead in the same way. Maybe
when we die we carry some of our above-ground characteristics with us
to the grave. Maybe when you die the curse for your corpse will be to
endure the tiny above-ground sounds that irritate and rub the soul
raw. And because you're dead you can't even complain about it. So
just be glad your alive and quit your griping.

And whistle a happy tune,
TJ

[OllieN...@aol.com]

A little too close to home for you Bozo?

I can't watch crime shows now. They are all repeats of the same shit.
I do like to watch old cop shows sometimes for nostalgia.
Use to be the shows tried to have interesting leads. Quirky
detectives, hot babes. Now it is all the foresnic shit. More like a
science show than a drama. I want ENTERTAINMENT not a biology lesson.

[bozo]

Well for sheer Quirky Detectives (and their horny frustrated wannabe
hot babe sidekicks), I've of course always liked Mr. Monk -- but even
more than Monk is Vincent D'Onofrio in his 'Law & Order: Criminal
Intent" franchise ... and if you don't recognize him in the Law &
Order lineup, he's the slightly chunky tall slow-talking insightful
one who used to always stand back just far enough from the suspect so
he could then lean way into and forward and over at the hip, often at
death-defying right-angle, just enough for that joint signature cameo
of the suspect's face and D'Onofrio's head & neck cocked at a weird
right angle and into the suspect's face so D'Onofrio could ask his
haltingly, penetratingly-dumb, and yet embarrassingly revealing
question of the lying sack of shit trying to get away with murder (or
at least bad acting) ... and when my kids were young, they use to love
D'Onofrio and call him the "lean to" and watch him lean way over into
that per-arranged focus space for him, the camera, and the suspect ...
and then they'd place imaginary bets that this would be the scene
where D'Onofrio couldn't keep his balance and falls over right into
the actor suspect's lap and loses the bet (and off camera has to
either give him a blow job right there or a big wad a cash).

-bdn-

[bozo]

On Oct 29, 7:21 am, OllieNort...@aol.com wrote:

OH YEAH and for quirky of course always Columbo too (bless his poor
dead heart).

-bdn-

[Tommy Joe]

It's not just the biology lesson aspect, it's the great team work
which doesn't exist in the real bureaucracy of the legal system. It's
all about teams working just for YOU. Like Dr House and his Dream
Team or the guy from CSI MIami and his team. In real life you get a
guy opening a manual and asking, "What was your name again?", or
picking up his phone and asking where your file is and who was the
last guy working on it.

The shows suck mainly because of that and also because the only
way they can manage to make the cops and lead actors look good is to
make the criminals child molesters or rapists or killers of old
people. That's because all the people watching are criminals
themselves and cannot identify with rooting for cops who arrest people
for doing the same stuff they do - so they make the perps something no
one would want to be or at least never admit to being.

I hate cop shows,
TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Oct 29, 3:08 pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:

> OH YEAH and for quirky of course always Columbo too (bless his poor
> dead heart).

Columbo was well done and enjoyable and easy to take. Monk would
be ok if it weren't for the slathered on music. I cannot understand
how people can watch that show and not be aware of the music. It's
awful. And it's not the only show using that same type of music. 30
Rock is another one that has slathered music in it. It really grates
on me. There is no need for it. I have even come to a point where I
use these shows to test the relative sensitivity of one person or
another, by asking them if they ever noticed the music on Monk or 30
Rock. If they say 'NO", I know I'm dealing with someone who lacks
sensitivity.

TJ

[R H Draney]

Tommy Joe filted:

I've heard it suggested that the sign of a great composer of incidental music is
that you can watch a scene that uses their work and afterwards not even be aware
that there *was* music...if you notice the soundtrack, it's a failure....

I have just two words in response to that: Ennio Morricone....r


--
Me? Sarcastic?
Yeah, right.

[alien8er]

On Oct 29, 12:08 pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
> On Oct 29, 7:21 am, OllieNort...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 29, 2:46 am, Tommy Joe <j...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 29, 1:12 am, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The CHOMO (Child Molester) theme must be a highly reliable plot device
> > > > in the police-procedural TV script binness cuz between the "Law &
> > > > Order SVU 'Manhattan Vigil' episode I saw on Friday and the "CSI NY
> > > > 'Misconceptions' episode I saw on Saturday, the two shows managed to
> > > > virtually clone each others story line except for a few names, dates,
> > > > and digg'n up dem bones ... but for gawd sakes give your gum shoes a
> > > > rest you poor tired old TV script writers, and stop try'n to always
> > > > haunt us with the same old bogeyman of a CHOMO under every rock in the
> > > > big city ... it's getting a bit weary ... and if you whistle when you
> > > > work or walk by my place, you're as good as a dead CHOMO in my book.

It went over well as a sub-plot on Torchwood- Miracle Day.

> > >      "Getting" weary?  Come on Bozo, that Law and Order crap has been
> > > off my radar for years.  I swear if I were locked in jail alone with a
> > > tv, even then I would find other ways to occupy my time.  I might turn
> > > it on just for the commercials.  At least with those the format or and
> > > theme might change from day to day unlike the show itself which is the
> > > same old story from the show's inception to now.

Graphic effects in commercials are generally more cutting edge too.

Ya know, I'd have liked to see all-commercial-all-the-time TV in
Demolition Man, analogous to their radio with "mini-tunes".

> > A little too close to home for you Bozo?
>
> > I can't watch crime shows now.  They are all repeats of the same shit.
> > I do like to watch old cop shows sometimes for nostalgia.
> > Use to be the shows tried to have interesting leads.  Quirky
> > detectives, hot babes.  Now it is all the foresnic shit.  More like a
> > science show than a drama.  I want ENTERTAINMENT not a biology lesson.

L&O is just Dragnet moved to the other coast and "anti-heroed" with
D'Onofrio (I liked him better in MIB anyway). Lots of anti-heroes any
more, Monk's a perfect example. Notice the "real" cops on that show
are even bigger jokes than Monk is.

The forensics shows (NCIS, the CSI's, Bones, yada yada) are
*ensemble* shows, meaning they *have* to have teamwork or at least fun
friction, not the boringly normal kind.

Let's not even talk about Psych, OK?

> OH YEAH and for quirky of course always Columbo too (bless his poor
> dead heart).

Pfft. Kids these days. Baretta ruled, but even that was a remake of
Toma.


Dr. Hot"doin' my time"Salt

[OllieN...@aol.com]

Don't watch those shows. As for sensitivity I only desire that in one
place and I am even losing that.

One I liked which was a detective show not cop show was Mike Hammer
with Stacey Keach. It was going good until he got busted for cocaine.

Another PI show I enjoyed was Rockford files. I sometimes liked
Magnum PI.

One thing I don't want are any 'messages' or 'moral' in the story. No
cause celeb.

All a story needs is a gun, a dame, a bottle of booze, and a corpse.
The rest is filler.

[bozo]

I know it prolly wouldn't work, but I'd still like to see it tried,
where all three of the most quirky detectives got jammed into the same
script and led by the only forensic cat herder, Jeremy Brett, as their
Sherlock Holmes ... eat your hearts out Charlie's Angels!

-bdn-

[Tommy Joe]

On Oct 30, 3:50 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> I've heard it suggested that the sign of a great composer of incidental music is
> that you can watch a scene that uses their work and afterwards not even be aware
> that there *was* music...if you notice the soundtrack, it's a failure....

And the same applies to camera work. The amateurs have taken
over. They're all related. I don't know what the deal with the music
for Monk and those other shows is, but I know it's not to enhance the
show. Maybe they're doing somebody they know a favor by letting them
do the music. I only know the music sucks, and it's way too obvious,
and anyone who watches those shows and doesn't notice it is obviously
very insensitive - the same kind of people who walk their children or
pets down the street and to hell with those trying to get around them.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Oct 30, 2:03 pm, OllieNort...@aol.com wrote:

> Don't watch those shows.  As for sensitivity I only desire that in one
> place and I am even losing that.
>
> One I liked which was a detective show not cop show was Mike Hammer
> with Stacey Keach.  It was going good until he got busted for cocaine.
>
> Another PI show I enjoyed was Rockford files.  I sometimes liked
> Magnum PI.
>
> One thing I don't want are any 'messages' or 'moral' in the story.  No
> cause celeb.
>
> All a story needs is a gun, a dame, a bottle of booze, and a corpse.
> The rest is filler.

I don't either. I've given them chances though. I sometimes will
have 30 Rock on just because it precedes something I am going to
watch. But the music on those shows is very similar and very
similarly used in a very similarly annoying way. I have seen all the
shows you mentioned and enjoyed them but was never a huge "must-see"
fan of any of them. They were all easy to take, that's for sure. And
all of them were not "cop" shows in the traditional sense. The guys
in blue were sent in rarely. Columbo and the others were more or less
left to do their own thing, although at times in some of these shows
we'd have the traditional station house captain who is always miffed
at the way the star detectives go about their work - Starsky and
Hutch. I saw that show when it first came out, the very first week,
and first thing I thought was "No way this piece of shit is going
anywhere." It was shortly after that that I began to realize I know
what I like but cannot speak for everyone else.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Oct 31, 8:06 am, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:

> I know it prolly wouldn't work, but I'd still like to see it tried,
> where all three of the most quirky detectives got jammed into the same
> script and led by the only forensic cat herder, Jeremy Brett, as their
> Sherlock Holmes ... eat your hearts out Charlie's Angels!

All 4 in the same congested spot? I'd have to go with the biggest
guy. Or the guy with the biggest gun. Or the guy with the biggest
dick? I think they'd get in each other's way. But of course it's a
good idea for the producers to put this kind of crap out in movie form
as they did with the one with Sean Connery where a bunch of these
really boring all by themselves super heros got together in one movie
and became even more boring.

TJ

[R H Draney]

Tommy Joe filted:
>
>On Oct 30, 3:50=A0am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> I've heard it suggested that the sign of a great composer of incidental m=
>usic is
>> that you can watch a scene that uses their work and afterwards not even b=

>e aware
>> that there *was* music...if you notice the soundtrack, it's a failure....
>
>
> And the same applies to camera work. The amateurs have taken
>over. They're all related. I don't know what the deal with the music
>for Monk and those other shows is, but I know it's not to enhance the
>show. Maybe they're doing somebody they know a favor by letting them
>do the music. I only know the music sucks, and it's way too obvious,
>and anyone who watches those shows and doesn't notice it is obviously
>very insensitive - the same kind of people who walk their children or
>pets down the street and to hell with those trying to get around them.

I don't watch Monk (too close to home), but what's the story on the music?...is
it anything like the shows they used to have on the WB and now on the CW where
at the end of each episode there's a fullscreen ad "tonight's 'Charmed' featured
music by the Loathsome Slackers"?...r

[bozo]

You know sump'n, it just dawned on me, not only do you write the Four
Amigos of Quirkiness and Crime Fighting into the same book, but you
start putting them in the same room together naked too ... this used
to be called gratuitous sex, but i call it morphing them into what is
inevitably and conspicuously missing, which is their sexuality, DUHH,
i mean what the hell else are you gonna do with them, don't you see,
if the smartest damn people in the room start taking off their clothes
after solving the most intractable problems in town, especially if it
solves 'crime', don't they remain heroes? Isn't this all about
pornographic peccadilloes and virtue ... "Hey Watson, Monk, Columbo
and Denofrio, get your your quirky asses over here and solve this
crime, and put your damn clothes back on too" ... it's sort of like
the big elephant in the room isn't it (no pun intended), you just
can't ignore the sexuality of the smartest people in the room if
that's where the story goes, especially if they're the only ones
capable of solving all the problems in the room too ... Now imagine if
you had to throw Ellen into the mix too? Having to accept the raw
naked sexuality of all the movers, shakers and saviors in society is
really the big last step isn't it? It's easy to accept and approve
Superman if he's just a neutered cartoon.

-bdn-

[OllieN...@aol.com]

Remeber NYPD? With Jack Warden. It was only 30 minutes long so it
moved fast.
I want 5 minute TV shows.

[Tommy Joe]

On Nov 1, 5:11 am, R H Draney <dadoc...@spamcop.net> wrote:

> I don't watch Monk (too close to home), but what's the story on the music?...is
> it anything like the shows they used to have on the WB and now on the CW where
> at the end of each episode there's a fullscreen ad "tonight's 'Charmed' featured
> music by the Loathsome Slackers"?...r

If you have enough time, turn on Monk or 30 Rock one day, for a
brief period only, and wait for the music I'm talking about and you
will know at that time what I'm talking about. Monk is easy to take
but nowhere near as good a character as Columbo, and nowhere near as
well acted. It might not be a bad show were it not for the music. I
cannot describe the music. It's like happy music, plucking violin
strings, as if to tell the viewer not to worry, it's just a story.
It's really cornball and needless and I'm saying for I hope the last
time that anyone who is not bothered by it or likes it for any reason
is an idiot of the highest order, or at least a highly insensitive
person for whom there is no hope in that area.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Nov 1, 12:03 pm, OllieNort...@aol.com wrote:

> Remeber NYPD?  With Jack Warden.  It was only 30 minutes long so it
> moved fast.
> I want 5 minute TV shows.

A 30 minute show with 4 different stories sounds good. Or even an
hour with 4 different ones, might be even better. Short enough to
force them to be creative, yet enough time for them to work in some
entertaining shots or longer scenes that enhance the story. 15
minutes, that's what you get, now get your ass to work.

TJ

[Tommy Joe]

On Nov 1, 6:42 am, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:

> You know sump'n, it just dawned on me, not only do you write the Four
> Amigos of Quirkiness and Crime Fighting into the same book, but you
> start putting them in the same room together naked too ... this used
> to be called gratuitous sex, but i call it morphing them into what is
> inevitably and conspicuously missing, which is their sexuality, DUHH,
> i mean what the hell else are you gonna do with them, don't you see,
> if the smartest damn people in the room start taking off their clothes
> after solving the most intractable problems in town, especially if it
> solves 'crime', don't they remain heroes? Isn't this all about
> pornographic peccadilloes and virtue ... "Hey Watson, Monk, Columbo
> and Denofrio, get your your quirky asses over here and solve this
> crime, and put your damn clothes back on too" ... it's sort of like
> the big elephant in the room isn't it (no pun intended), you just
> can't ignore the sexuality of the smartest people in the room if
> that's where the story goes, especially if they're the only ones
> capable of solving all the problems in the room too ... Now imagine if
> you had to throw Ellen into the mix too? Having to accept the raw
> naked sexuality of all the movers, shakers and saviors in society is
> really the big last step isn't it? It's easy to accept and approve
> Superman if he's just a neutered cartoon.

Bozo, you're too cryptic (or perhaps too advanced?) for me to
keep up. Number one, I really don't care about cartoon super heroes
to begin with. Secondly, I watch tv but hate cop shows. I did enjoy
Columbo even if it was a bit unrealistic. I have news for people who
watch movies or tv looking for realism: It's not real and it never
will be. I enjoyed Columbo and have watched repeats many times, which
to me is the mark of a show that stands the test of time, at least
with me.

TJ

[bozo]

When you say "it's not real and never will be" isn't that the point of
reducing it to porn? Isn't that what the spectacle of watching
prodigies on Jeopardy and Wheel or watching any outlier perform all
about? Isn't that the subtext of Rain man? Isn't watching any
performance sort of a virtual cartoon event? I know we call it opera
and theater and circus and Olympics and professional sports ... but
watching prodigies always makes me beg what they're like in bed.
Putting prodigy and porn together may seem blasphemous and perverse
but the practical side is that we suddenly have something in
common ... it may be our lowest common denominator but if they accept
the role, it means I'm as much a Sherlock Holmes, Poirot, Columbo,
Monk or rocket scientist as they are, and of course they're as much of
a Bozo De Niro as yours truly.

-bozo "roll, action, cut, print, that's a WRAP!" de niro"

[OllieN...@aol.com]

Twilight Zone worked well becuase of it's brevity. Today they take
one of those premises and it is at least an hour or longer.

I guess I don't care where it all goes. I now where it all goes, into
the sewer.
Out to sea.
To become food for the algae, which becomes food for tiny animals and
Whales, that become food for other creatures.

Lets Eat!

[bozo]

On Oct 29, 11:50 pm, Tommy Joe <trues...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>

> That's because all the people watching are criminals themselves

> and cannot identify with rooting for the cops who arrest people

> for doing the same stuff they do - so they make the perps something no

> one would want to be or at least never admit to.

>
> I hate cop shows,
> TJ

You know you might be right, there are so many law & order franchises
now in one form or another it makes you think who the heck the
antiheroes are, and if they're not literally being contrived as the
subtext of the show, which is obviously the case with 'Breaking Bad'
and 'Sons of Anarchy', but then again the writers and producers of
both can clearly say that they're really not cop shows either so
enforcement issues and dilemmas of virtue and corruption really don't
apply either ... which really begs the bigger question, when are we
gonna see a L&O franchise with a cop who simply cannot help but
subvert his role in law enforcement in favor of perps as the perpetual
subtext and virtue of the show (Dexter notwithstanding).

-bdn-

[Tommy Joe]

On Nov 2, 2:58 pm, bozo <Bozo_De_N...@37.com> wrote:

> You know you might be right, there are so many law & order franchises
> now in one form or another it makes you think who the heck the
> antiheroes are, and if they're not literally being contrived as the
> subtext of the show, which is obviously the case with 'Breaking Bad'
> and 'Sons of Anarchy', but then again the writers and producers of
> both can clearly say that they're really not cop shows either so
> enforcement issues and dilemmas of virtue and corruption really don't
> apply either ... which really begs the bigger question, when are we
> gonna see a L&O franchise with a cop who simply cannot help but
> subvert his role in law enforcement in favor of perps as the perpetual
> subtext and virtue of the show (Dexter notwithstanding).

I watch tv a lot but I don't watch a lot of tv, dig? I have seen
Sons of Anarchy and wouldn't compare it at all the Breaking Bad.
Sure, you don't see too many cops around, but the writing on BB is way
better than the other show which is loaded with filler. Plus I don't
give a shit about any of the bikers. To me they're all scum. I guess
we're supposed to root for the group with the best looking actors, or
the most recognizable, just as we were supposed to root for Pacino and
DeNiro and Brando against those other mob groups with a bunch of no
name actors whose only purpose was to die on film. Breaking Bad is a
show you would probably like if you watched it from the start.

TJ

[bozo]

Oh I would've watched your Breaking Bad series for you alright -- that
is if you really wanted me to watch 'it' bad enough (GET IT? ... BAD
ENOUGH!) and paid the extra part of my cable bill to include that
channel ... BTW speaking of watching stuff from the beginning ... it's
really something I've never had the patience for ... and now to save a
lousy $15 a month on my U-verse cable bill, I don't have their DVR
recording everything I watch, which means now i have to run-around
online googling like a freak nutcase trying to find out what the hell
I think I missed on TV if my OCD kicks in and won't lemme alone ...
it's like watching TV in the 50's and getting home late from school
knowing you just missed Superman and calling up the TV station and
begging them you'll do anything if they'll just re-run Superman for
you ...

-Bozo "Breaking Bad OCD habits" de Niro-

[Tommy Joe]

My point was Bozo that you were lumping in Breaking Bad with cops
shows when it is not a cop show even though cops make occasional
appearances. It is not like the other shows you mentioned. You would
like it, I know you would. I have never watched any tv series from
the start, this was my first time ever. Even Seinfeld, I never saw an
episode till the show was off the air. I don't mind that show
either. Some long running shows I have never watched an entire
episode of include Dallas and it's many spin-offs, as well as many
other big name popular shows. I didn't go out of my way to avoid
them, I just didn't go out of my way to watch them. But I got lucky
with the first episode of BB. It lured me in. The pace of that show
in the beginning was almost too generous as later even the shortest
lull would make the show seem slow when in reality it was still moving
faster than the average network or cable show. The show is still
funny in spots, but in the first year it was really funny in a non
announced way that I think you would have liked a lot.

TJ