Re: Typical American
DeserTBoB
>i dont want to start any shit
>but what do you mean by your statement ???
>I am proud to be an AMERICAN
>you sound like a canadian?? <snip>
LMAO! No, I'm an American, too. I happen to think that the NRA and
the rest of the gun lobby are MUCH too powerful in this country, aided
and abetted by morons like Noodles. Certainly the debate about gun
control is wide open, but California's ban on assault weapons, tighter
than the Federal ban that Bush and his Repuke minions let expire,
resulted in a 20% reduction in deaths caused by assault weapons in
that state since its inception. Others argue that allowing anyone to
carry a weapon causes a decrease in crime (Washington state) and Texas
is trying to convince us that allowing concealed weapons permits
caused a decrease in crime.
Overall, major crime is down over the entire country, and still others
(usually not affiliated with the gun lobby) argue that this is due to
more modern forensics and detective methods, like the national
fingerprint data base, AFIS, and recent laws enacted to collect DNA
from perps and start a national DNA data base. Such a law was
recently passed by voters in California. I'm inclined to believe the
latter, as are most sheriffs' deputies I know out here. The object is
to instill fear of getting caught and going to prison in the
prospective perp, not just scaring everyone of getting shot.
By the way, Canada DOES have very restrictive gun laws, and their gun
crime per capita stats are orders of magnitude lower than ours. As
far as being a "proud American" goes, having a moron as president sure
doesn't make me very proud! Neither does the 51% of idiots in this
country that supported the moron, like our friend, Chuckie Noodles,
aka "Charles Nouilles, the french frauder."
There's a lot less to be proud of here these days, too...the
decimation of our manufacturing base for the relentless pursuit of
profit is but one. The last domenstic manufacturer of television
sets, the ABSOLUTE last maker of any consumer electronics in the USA,
Five Islands, has finally been gobbled up by the Japanese through
Toshiba. Result? MORE layoffs for its unionized workforce, while
lousy paying "service" jobs and scab construction workers flourish.
That's not by accident, either, as the past two Repuke administration
have had a very onerous anti-labor stance, while the two term
Democrat, Clinton, was ambivalent at best.
Wages in the US for hourly workers have declined by 15% just since
Bush's '00 "appointment" , and benefits have declined even more.
Social Security is under heavy attack from the right wingers,
corporate shills and banker greed mongers. Bush says he still wants
this but won't pay for it. The only result can be a decline in the
retirement payouts for people who have paid into the fund for 20 years
and more, and that's NOT something to be proud of, either. You, of
all people, should know the assaults that big construction management
firms like Swinerton have been embarking on in the last few years,
following the lead of home builders and smaller construction firms,
mostly in "right to work...for less" states. It is the desire of big
construction firms to rid itself of the construction trade unions
within the next five to ten years...with help from the Repuke Party.
So, yeah, I'm an American, but no, I'm not exactly proud of what's
going on in this country at this time. However, the framers of the
Constitution foresaw this, and provided vehicles which protect free
speech, and thus can give wind to positive change. Of THAT, I'm VERY
proud, and served my country for that very reason. Take a look in the
White House...how many of THOSE morons served? ALMOST NONE. ANOTHER
reason to despise them...hypocrites.
dB
tripping...@yahoo.com
Anyone want to bet how many times D-Bob posts "LMAO" or "ROTFLMAO"
daily ??
He seems to think that is still the "in" net lingo...notice how every
one of his posts has that in it...
8 tracker from hell
just like the stupidity that reigns from your nonsense post, nudofraud
oh, by the way, go suck on your mamas dick, nudofraud
--
i have an 8 track mind
8 tracker from hell
>
> LMAO! No, I'm an American, too. I happen to think that the NRA and
> the rest of the gun lobby are MUCH too powerful in this country, aided
> and abetted by morons like Noodles. Certainly the debate about gun
> control is wide open, but California's ban on assault weapons, tighter
> than the Federal ban that Bush and his Repuke minions let expire,
> resulted in a 20% reduction in deaths caused by assault weapons in
> that state since its inception. Others argue that allowing anyone to
> carry a weapon causes a decrease in crime (Washington state) and Texas
> is trying to convince us that allowing concealed weapons permits
> caused a decrease in crime.
well, this is where i have to dissagree with you bob,
the one reason that we are not completely in world government right now is
because of the constitutional right for americans to keep & bear arms.
the reasoning behind allowing concealed weapons permits is that all law
abiding gun owners will be registered & will be accountable, the outlaws &
criminals wont bother to apply for permits. there have been many crimes
that were stopped dead in their tracks because the victom had a gun.
>
> Overall, major crime is down over the entire country, and still others
> (usually not affiliated with the gun lobby) argue that this is due to
> more modern forensics and detective methods, like the national
> fingerprint data base, AFIS, and recent laws enacted to collect DNA
> from perps and start a national DNA data base. Such a law was
> recently passed by voters in California. I'm inclined to believe the
> latter, as are most sheriffs' deputies I know out here. The object is
> to instill fear of getting caught and going to prison in the
> prospective perp, not just scaring everyone of getting shot.
i live in a small town in the east & crime has been steadilly rizing in this
part of the country, specifically, roberies, & drug related crimes
(including murders).
>
> By the way, Canada DOES have very restrictive gun laws, and their gun
> crime per capita stats are orders of magnitude lower than ours. As
> far as being a "proud American" goes, having a moron as president sure
> doesn't make me very proud! Neither does the 51% of idiots in this
> country that supported the moron, like our friend, Chuckie Noodles,
> aka "Charles Nouilles, the french frauder."
right now, there is an investigation going on in several parts of the
country examining the electronic voting machines & the possibillity of the
voting results changed because of tampering.
there was a discovery of a nasa employee who was also a software engineer
who was approched by the republican party to write a program that tallies
the results & changes them as well.
in other words, the election was stolen from us by the repukes.
>
> There's a lot less to be proud of here these days, too...the
> decimation of our manufacturing base for the relentless pursuit of
> profit is but one. The last domenstic manufacturer of television
> sets, the ABSOLUTE last maker of any consumer electronics in the USA,
> Five Islands, has finally been gobbled up by the Japanese through
> Toshiba. Result? MORE layoffs for its unionized workforce, while
> lousy paying "service" jobs and scab construction workers flourish.
> That's not by accident, either, as the past two Repuke administration
> have had a very onerous anti-labor stance, while the two term
> Democrat, Clinton, was ambivalent at best.
like i said earlier, these globalist have an agenda & that is to push us
into world government. the only way they could succede is bring the united
states down to third world status, which is happening real quick.
>
> Wages in the US for hourly workers have declined by 15% just since
> Bush's '00 "appointment" , and benefits have declined even more.
> Social Security is under heavy attack from the right wingers,
> corporate shills and banker greed mongers. Bush says he still wants
> this but won't pay for it. The only result can be a decline in the
> retirement payouts for people who have paid into the fund for 20 years
> and more, and that's NOT something to be proud of, either. You, of
> all people, should know the assaults that big construction management
> firms like Swinerton have been embarking on in the last few years,
> following the lead of home builders and smaller construction firms,
> mostly in "right to work...for less" states. It is the desire of big
> construction firms to rid itself of the construction trade unions
> within the next five to ten years...with help from the Repuke Party.
>
> So, yeah, I'm an American, but no, I'm not exactly proud of what's
> going on in this country at this time. However, the framers of the
> Constitution foresaw this, and provided vehicles which protect free
> speech, and thus can give wind to positive change. Of THAT, I'm VERY
> proud, and served my country for that very reason. Take a look in the
> White House...how many of THOSE morons served? ALMOST NONE. ANOTHER
> reason to despise them...hypocrites.
>
> dB
the only way to fix our problems is for the american people to wake up, take
a march to washington, physically remove all of the traitors from office
(forcefully), hold trials against them for treason, & hold new elections &
place constitutionally minded people in office.
then, we need to restore our sovreignty, declare these trade treaties (nafta
& gatt) null & void.
DeserTBoB
wrote:
>not to get too political again, but.... :)
>we have plenty of media and information in this country and they still
>elected the guy who lost all 3 debates.
>I think a plurality of this country has fallen under the spell of
>religious propogandists who use AM radio to beat their message into the
>not-too-discerning.
>(I'm reminded of floyd's The Wall, with its ugly image of marching
>hammers and that bullhorn)<snip>
Funny how reality immitates art at times, isn't it? Just about
everything in Orwell's "1984" has come to fruition, also!
>When I hear comments like 'I voted for Bush because he's keeping us
>safe' I wanna hurl.
>When I see their disgust over gay marriage and abortion but little more
>than a shrug when the subject of the War dead comes up, I wanna flee to
>a more enlightened land. <snip>
Many are. LA Times had a multipage article today about groups on the
web and elsewhere who are giving advice and help to Americans who want
to emigrate to Canada. Canada's salivating at the chance of getting
working-age folks with brains (who mostly voted for Kerry and are now
pissed off), and aren't turning away seniors, either. It's not tens,
even hundreds...we're talking THOUSANDS and growing.
>
>I used to go to Europe every year and certain parts seemed so
>enlightened, I guess having people around who remember the Nazis
>marching down the street has had a sobering effect on the populace at
>large. I predict the tables will turn and their economy will start to
>florish and will make the U.S. look backward and not-just-a-little nuts. <snip>
It's already happening. Germany and France, despite what Wall
Streeters are saying are eating our lunch at the high end of the
market, just like the Chinese are eating it at the "Wally-Mart" end.
When our trade deficit stays as bad as it is, and grows worse because
we cannot manufacture any longer, we will sone become a debtor nation
with no hope of recovery. Bush's deficits will put us there even
faster.
>
>Never in my life have I been ashamed to be Christian....until now.
>Please Dear Jesus, protect me from your followers. <snip>
Odd how that works, hmmm? I've always had a motto: "I hate Man, but
I love Mankind." Same sort of thing applies.
dB
DeserTBoB
wrote:
>tripping...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> translation- D-Bob just got spanked, again !! <snip>
Noodles must be spanking his monkey while trying to type again.
>>
>> Anyone want to bet how many times D-Bob posts "LMAO" or "ROTFLMAO"
>> daily ?? <snip>
That's basically an indication that you're still a "newbie," but even
that's too good for you, Monsieur Charles Nouilles. You're a "web tv
flunky"...more apropos!
>> He seems to think that is still the "in" net lingo...notice how every
>> one of his posts has that in it... <snip>
It's there because your stupidity is so hilarious...if it weren't so
sad.
>just like the stupidity that reigns from your nonsense post, nudofraud
>oh, by the way, go suck on your mamas dick, nudofraud <snip>
She won't let him use the tweezers after that last lewd conduct rap he
got a couple of years ago. LMAO! ROTLMAO! ROFL! TFF!
Translate THAT, Monsieur Charles Nouilles, the French Frauder!
Noodles Update: Earlier, I posted that "Nudo" means "knot" in
Italian, and it's not a really common reason: It's a bastardizatino
of the French surname, "Nudeau", or "Neaudeau," a common French
surname. My friends at McGill University in Montrรจal have confirmed
this...not ONE "Nudo" in the Montrรจal phone book, but tons of
"Nudeaux" et "Neaudeaux". ALORS!
PARLE-TU LE FRANรAIS, MONSIEUR NOUILLES? LE HAHAHAHA!
Thus, NOODLES (Nouilles en franรงais) IS FRENCH! LES TRรS GRANDS
HAHAHAHAHAHAUX!
dB
tripping...@yahoo.com
tracker from hell ran for cover from your radical left-wing
pseudo-communist/socialist anti-American liberal views...
now you're showing your true colors...keep it up !!
tripping...@yahoo.com
this guy is unemployed, disabled, sickly, on a fixed income, doesn't
even own a car or drive, is forced to take public train transportation
at the level of a concentration camp victim, yet he puts down Walmart
for offering name brand items at competitive prices.
There's a name for guys like this- liberal wannabee
8 tracker from hell
well, if thats the case nudofraud, your a comunist pinko fag bastard, who
has no brain to think with. your a no good, worthless peice of shit.
8 tracker from hell
DeserTBoB
wrote:
>tripping...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> DB= champagne tastes on a beer budget
>>
>> this guy is unemployed, disabled, sickly, on a fixed income, doesn't
>> even own a car or drive, is forced to take public train transportation
>> at the level of a concentration camp victim, yet he puts down Walmart
>> for offering name brand items at competitive prices.
>> There's a name for guys like this- liberal wannabee <snip>
He keeps saying this crap, and none of it is true. I take the train
on vacations because it's more enjoyable than the scarelines.
Wal-Mart is a symptom of a sick nation and a sick economy...they don't
offer "competitive pricing," they offer "predatory pricing." Once
Wally-Mart runs K-Mart or Kohl's out of a given area, they boost
prices to an even higher level than their competitors offered.
Example: Barstow, CA. During K-Mart's retrenchment, they closed the
local K-Mart store after Wal-Mart kept agressively cutting prices
below K-Mart's cost. The DAY AFTER K-Mart closed down, prices at
Wally-Mart doubled, and in some cases, tripled. This is somehow
"competitive???"
>
>well, if thats the case nudofraud, your a comunist pinko fag bastard, who
>has no brain to think with. your a no good, worthless peice of shit. <snip>
Noodles is but one in a huge mass of stupid people who are now
revelling in the fact that they've elected one of their own, a 91 IQ
moron, to the cheif executive's office in the government. No wonder
the Europeans are all laughing at us.
dB
DeserTBoB
wrote:
>tripping...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> now you're showing your true colors...keep it up !! <snip>
Noodles is about as "anti-American" as anyone I've had the displeasure
of viewing lately...logic skewed by inferior intelligence, making a
meager living selling crap on eBay, yet he's deluded by megalomanic
crazies like Flush Limpdick and Bill (the Pervert) O'Reilly into
thinking things are great. Sad, sad, sad....
dB
Fx199
>From: lenn...@webtv.net (lennon fan)
>Date: 12/10/2004 8:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <4604-41B...@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net>
>
>not to get too political again, but.... :)
>we have plenty of media and information in this country and they still
>elected the guy who lost all 3 debates.
Nope, Kerry LOST remember?
Sorry I couldn't resist.
The Democrats picked a person WAY TOO LEFT to be electable, pure and simple.
Fx199
>revelling in the fact that they've elected one of their own, a 91 IQ
>moron, to the cheif executive's office in the government. No wonder
>the Europeans are all laughing at us.
>
>dB
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haha...did you know Bush's military intelligence test scored higher than
Kerry's??
I'm laughing at Europe, myself.
They are a jealous, withering has-been.
Fx199
>everything in Orwell's "1984" has come to fruition, also!
You can't possibly be serious?? LOL
DeserTBoB
>>Just about
>>everything in Orwell's "1984" has come to fruition, also!
>
>You can't possibly be serious?? LOL <snip>
Ever read it?
dB
DeserTBoB
>They are a jealous, withering has-been. <snip>
Guess again. The EU's GDP per capita now outpaces ours. The French
just finished the world's highest highway bridge, eclipsing everything
in the US. After Putin's bumbling, the Ukraine and Moldovia will join
the EU. China's standard of living is rising, while ours is
declining.
We're already on the "slippery slope." The "nudo deludos" will fiddle
while Washington burns.
dB
DeserTBoB
>>Subject: Re: Typical American
>>From: lenn...@webtv.net (lennon fan)
>>Date: 12/10/2004 8:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>>Message-id: <4604-41B...@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net>
>>
>>not to get too political again, but.... :)
>>we have plenty of media and information in this country and they still
>>elected the guy who lost all 3 debates.
>
>Nope, Kerry LOST remember? <snip>
Kerry creamed Bush in the first, it was REAL close in the 2nd, and
less close in the third. In terms of forensic debate, Kerry won all
three, but the morons in the south wanted someone as collectively
stupid as they are. If it weren't for FDR in the '30s, those inbred
idiots would still be shitting in holes in the ground and scribbling
by kerosene lamps.
>Sorry I couldn't resist.
>The Democrats picked a person WAY TOO LEFT to be electable, pure and simple. <snip>
Too "left?" We need someone MORE left to undo the tons of damage done
by "corporate plutocracy" over the last 25 years!
dB
Fx199
>From: DeserTBoB des...@rglobal.net
>Date: 12/15/2004 5:46 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <hif1s0pc9cqnpcjqi...@4ax.com>
well, unemployment in Europe is at 9%!!
Our economy actually is growing faster than Europe's. Europe has many problems,
high taxes, an immigrant population that isn't assinilating nor has the high
skills of the people they are replacing since Europe's birth rate is so low.
The stock market has been around 10,600. Things in the US are not as bad as
some might believe, nor is Europe as peachy. Bob, the average income in China
is 5 grand per year, and people in this country think they can't raise a family
on 40-50k.
Fx199
>Message-id: <6nf1s051a5gvl7kcb...@4ax.com>
of course, I've read quite a bit about Orwell himself as well.
DeserTBoB
>well, unemployment in Europe is at 9%!! <snip>
That's because they don't lie about it like we do. Ever since the
days of RayGun, the US Dep't. of Labor "fudges" the unemployment
figures to exclude everyone who hasn't worked in 6 mos or more,
disabled or not. The Europeans don't have to resort to this. Actual
unemployment in the US is now hovering around 18% in pre-RayGun terms.
>
>Our economy actually is growing faster than Europe's. Europe has many problems,
>high taxes, an immigrant population that isn't assinilating nor has the high
>skills of the people they are replacing since Europe's birth rate is so low. <snip>
Europe has ZPG, which we're too stupid to do. We have an immigrant
population of more the 10 MILLION PEOPLE who are NOT assimilating,
too.
>The stock market has been around 10,600. Things in the US are not as bad as
>some might believe, nor is Europe as peachy. Bob, the average income in China
>is 5 grand per year, and people in this country think they can't raise a family
>on 40-50k. <snip>
Average wages since Bush the Dumber took office after being appointed
in '00 have declined more than 15%. Benefits have declined even more,
with a record number of Americans now without employer-provided health
care and reliance on public health care at an all time high. $5 in
China buys more than $100 does here. Bush is threatening to make good
on the corporate demands for ruination of Social Security. Stock
market volatility is at the highest degree since the start of the
Great Depression. The sinking US dollar, a Repuke hallmark since the
days of Tricky Dickie, is now causing double digit real inflation for
working families, since we no longer manufacture most of our consumer
products, but the Administration lies about that, too.
Keep believing all that Repuke crap the Bushies and the right wing AM
radio screwballs spew out. You'll be working in a Chinese rice paddy
soon enough.
dB
Fx199
>Message-id: <5i52s0lokvfpsm4e3...@4ax.com>
>
>On 16 Dec 2004 03:00:59 GMT, fx...@aol.com (Fx199) wrote:
>
>>well, unemployment in Europe is at 9%!! <snip>
>
>That's because they don't lie about it like we do. Ever since the
>days of RayGun, the US Dep't. of Labor "fudges" the unemployment
>figures to exclude everyone who hasn't worked in 6 mos or more,
>disabled or not. The Europeans don't have to resort to this. Actual
>unemployment in the US is now hovering around 18% in pre-RayGun terms.
>>
>in '00 have declined more than 15%. Benefits have declined even more,
>with a record number of Americans now without employer-provided health
>care and reliance on public health care at an all time high. $5 in
>China buys more than $100 does here. Bush is threatening to make good
>on the corporate demands for ruination of Social Security. Stock
>market volatility is at the highest degree since the start of the
>Great Depression. The sinking US dollar, a Repuke hallmark since the
>days of Tricky Dickie, is now causing double digit real inflation for
>working families, since we no longer manufacture most of our consumer
>products, but the Administration lies about that, too.
>
>Keep believing all that Repuke crap the Bushies and the right wing AM
>radio screwballs spew out. You'll be working in a Chinese rice paddy
>soon enough.
>
>dB
>
my, my, SOOO bitter.
Bob, I won't be working in any rice paddy, period, ever. My wages and benefits
have NOT SHRUNK, and I'm going to be in business for myself soon. There's no
population policy in Europe enforcing Zero Population Growth.
It's not ZERO anyway..LOL
You might be thinking of China where they did limit the number of children you
could have in cities. Bush is not responsible for the US not making anything,
any more than Clinton is, it's been happening for 30 years or more. Bob, why
would someone who was disabled be counted as part of the unemployed work force,
any more than you woould count dead people?
I love your technical posts, but the shrill rhetric of the left doesn't belong
in this group. I hope you don't take it personally, I have some sealed blanks
you might want to try some time, including sealed Magnavox, various TDK's and
Maxells.
DeserTBoB
>my, my, SOOO bitter.
>Bob, I won't be working in any rice paddy, period, ever. My wages and benefits
>have NOT SHRUNK <snip>
...yet. They haven't gotten around to you yet.
>..., and I'm going to be in business for myself soon. There's no
>population policy in Europe enforcing Zero Population Growth. <snip>
No, they're just smart enough to know it makes good sense.
>It's not ZERO anyway..LOL <snip>
Pretty damned close.
>You might be thinking of China where they did limit the number of children you
>could have in cities. Bush is not responsible for the US not making anything,
>any more than Clinton is, it's been happening for 30 years or more. <snip>
True statement.
>Bob, why
>would someone who was disabled be counted as part of the unemployed work force,
>any more than you woould count dead people? <snip>
They're not.
>I love your technical posts, but the shrill rhetric of the left doesn't belong
>in this group. <snip>
Neither does the shrill denial of the right wing. Call your
congressman today and ask him if he voted for the "DeLay Rule," which
was voted in secret to shield ruthless Texas right winger from being
censured WHEN (not IF) he gets indicted for fraud soon. Happily,
DeLay's gerrimandering stunts in Texas and Pennsylvania will probably
fall apart in Federal court...bye bye, Repukes in '06!
>I hope you don't take it personally, I have some sealed blanks
>you might want to try some time, including sealed Magnavox, various TDK's and
>Maxells. <snip>
Covered TDK. Magnavox? Zenith? Akai? All OEMs by the usual tape
manufacturing suspects. I think (not sure) that Ampex made Zenith's
home brand cartridges, but I don't think I've ever seen a Magnevox.
Someone brought up Mallory not too long ago, too, a short lived
attempt to sell tapes along with batteries that didn't work out.
It appears, although I have a very small sample from which to guess,
that Ampex did almost all of the OEM manufacturing. AudioMagnetics
was quite busy supplying Capitol and some of the broadcast business,
and I don't think I've seen any OEM branded Audiopaks. Samem for
Memorex, which is too bad, since they produced a good quality
cartridge with an above average tape inside. I've got an Akai OEM
tape that came with an Akai deck that's an obvious TDK D-type...not so
hot. For Japanese cartridges, you just can't beat TDK SDs on
anything...they beat Maxell pretty handily, which were already pretty
good.
dB
Fx199
>>you might want to try some time, including sealed Magnavox, various TDK's
>and
>>Maxells. <snip>
>
>Covered TDK. Magnavox? Zenith? Akai? All OEMs by the usual tape
>manufacturing suspects. I think (not sure) that Ampex made Zenith's
>home brand cartridges, but I don't think I've ever seen a Magnevox.
>Someone brought up Mallory not too long ago, too, a short lived
>attempt to sell tapes along with batteries that didn't work out.
>
>It appears, although I have a very small sample from which to guess,
>that Ampex did almost all of the OEM manufacturing. AudioMagnetics
>was quite busy supplying Capitol and some of the broadcast business,
>and I don't think I've seen any OEM branded Audiopaks. Samem for
>Memorex, which is too bad, since they produced a good quality
>cartridge with an above average tape inside. I've got an Akai OEM
>tape that came with an Akai deck that's an obvious TDK D-type...not so
>hot. For Japanese cartridges, you just can't beat TDK SDs on
>anything...they beat Maxell pretty handily, which were already pretty
>good.
>
>dB
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This is more like it.
I have found these OLDER TDK's that I have to be the best sounding tapes I have
tried..
I have a few sealed Magnavox's that were in a boatload of prerecorded stuff i
got in a lot once. Never saw any others since.
Tracs was a popular tape back in the 70's also, they are probably cheap.
DeserTBoB
>I have a few sealed Magnavox's that were in a boatload of prerecorded stuff i
>got in a lot once. Never saw any others since.
>Tracs was a popular tape back in the 70's also, they are probably cheap. <snip>
Tracs = junk, all the disadvantages of Certron and none of the
advantages. "Tracs" was one of those "99ยข special" or "2 for 1
special" brands you saw at discount stores, as was Certron. Certron
had an advantage in that it's a really hot tape, but suffers from bad
top end and high noise, even with the increased sensitivity. As I'd
said earlier, I believe Certron is old Irish oxides that in later
Ampex carts that were assembled in Mexico. As with anything from
Mexico, quality control sucks. Fine for a portable or a cheap car
player, though.
What's pretty normal now, though, is that the "cheapie" tapes of
yesteryear are now the same price as the really good stuff, so
shopping on price on sleazeBay doesn't work. You have to know what
the good stuff is and select accordingly, or wind up paying the same
dollar amount for crap. I bought some Tracs basically for testing
purposes, found out they're garbage, then bought some Memorex for less
money and found out that Memorex is pretty good stuff. Memorex, back
in the days when they were in the tape biz, was a "bargain brand" to a
point. They only succeeded in making inroads into the "quality"
market once they launched their "is it live or Memorex?" ad campaign,
but even then, the Japanese steam rollered them in the cassette
market. Memorex made a pretty good Type I cassette back in those
days, but Maxell's UDXL formulation was king. Shame Maxell doesn't
even offer a Type I cassette except voice-grade UR anymore.
Memorex, you might be surprised to know, was founded by a bunch of
guys who used to work for Ampex, who were pissed off about Ampex's
decision to buy Alabama tape maker Irish instead of building their own
internal tape division from scratch. As it turned out, Ampex and
Memorex went in two different directions in terms of tape design,
Ampex going for high sensitivity to provide a better S/N ratio, while
Memorex was playing around with experimental low noise oxides,
lowering the absolute noise floor with so-so sensitivity. Memorex,
however, never made inroads into the professional recording industry
that Ampex did, mainly due to Ampex's reputation for their pioneering
recorders.
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Bluemuse
>market once they launched their "is it live or Memorex?" ad campaign,
>but even then, the Japanese steam rollered them in the cassette
>market. Memorex made a pretty good Type I cassette back in those
>days, but Maxell's UDXL formulation was king.
Back when I had my '76 Plymouth Feather Duster (yes there really was a model
with that name) with black vinyl upholstery, I bought cassettes based on how
well the shells held up in the heat. Memorex tape shells warped faster than TDK
or Maxell, so I didn't buy them.
--Bob Farace
"I only believe in fire." --Anais Nin
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>From: blue...@aol.com (Bluemuse)
>Date: 12/16/2004 4:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <20041216161139...@mb-m19.aol.com>
LOL...I had a "gold duster"
The feather duster parts are popular among the go-fast crowd now.
Bluemuse
>>
Seriously? I can see why, since what made it a Feather Duster--lightened body
structures, aluminum tranny case, etc.--would benefit the go-fast crowd. But
they only made 500 Feather Dusters, I can't imagine there being a lot of parts
to go around. I wish I still had mine.
DeserTBoB
><< The feather duster parts are popular among the go-fast crowd now.
> >>
>
>Seriously? I can see why, since what made it a Feather Duster--lightened body
>structures, aluminum tranny case, etc.--would benefit the go-fast crowd. But
>they only made 500 Feather Dusters, I can't imagine there being a lot of parts
>to go around. <snip>
There aren't, but there are a lot of fakes around, although not nearly
as many as there are for Chebbies. Another now-popular fake: 2 bbl.
340 or 350 Buick Skylarks gussied up to be "Gran Sport 400s" or "GS
Californias" with a change in intake and a junkyard grille. Usually
easy to spot, since most plain jane Skylarks had bench seats and
"Super Turd-Bind 300" Dynaflush on the tree. Real GSs had special
buckets and a Riviera-style lever on the floor for the Dynaflush or a
T-10 4 speed. I saw one local nudohead go through the trouble of
transplanting a set of buckets AND the console, then left the tranny
on the tree as well as the factory single exhaust. Chuckie Noodles,
was that you?
>I wish I still had mine. <snip>
I bet you do. Seen what a real Feather Duster goes for at a real
auction (not the usual sleazeBay fakes) these days? Yoikes!
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Bluemuse
I bet you do. Seen what a real Feather Duster goes for at a real
auction (not the usual sleazeBay fakes) these days? Yoikes!
>>
No, I haven't. Never would have thought it would be worth a lot, since the
reason it was lightened was for economy, not performance. It came with a
4-speed overdrive (really a 3-speed plus overdrive) and a 225 Slant Six which,
while not a real hot engine, was probably the most durable and reliable engine
ever to come out of Detroit. (It was the 170 Slant Six that got hopped up
generally; with an inch shorter stroke it could rev a lot faster.) It was
supposed to get over 30 mpg. I ended up with a regular 4-speed in it (the
original tranny locked up and this one was sold to me as being an overdrive; it
wasn't) and really, it did okay for what it was. No one knew about that model
then. Everyone thought I put the Feather Duster graphics on it myself as a
joke. (They also made a Space Duster (who came up with that one?) which was
basically a hatchback Duster; the rear seat folded down.)
DeserTBoB
>No, I haven't. Never would have thought it would be worth a lot, since the
>reason it was lightened was for economy, not performance. It came with a
>4-speed overdrive (really a 3-speed plus overdrive) and a 225 Slant Six which,
>while not a real hot engine, was probably the most durable and reliable engine
>ever to come out of Detroit. (It was the 170 Slant Six that got hopped up
>generally; with an inch shorter stroke it could rev a lot faster.) <snip>
Chrysler had a dual carb aluminum manifold option for the early 225s
(dunno about the 170) that is much sought after for these. I forgot
about production numbers on these dual options, but it seems that most
were sold with the 225. Obviously, someone was thinking "go fast 6."
Ford 240/300s were used for dual carb setups back in those days a lot,
too.
>It was
>supposed to get over 30 mpg. I ended up with a regular 4-speed in it (the
>original tranny locked up and this one was sold to me as being an overdrive; it
>wasn't) and really, it did okay for what it was. <snip>
The aluminum tranny case was fine, unless things got hot, then stuff
would go to shit real fast. The 3/OD trans is ULTRA rare now, for
sure. That's why these things in original shape bring such good
prices. Wasn't it a Borg-Warner OD unit like from the old days? I
don't remember Chrysler making a 3/OD all in one box.
I also remember some Valiants around '61-62 having an aluminum block
option for the 225, very low production and VERY rare today....only
saw it once, on a '62, and it had the usual "3 on the floor" but had
the Mopar dual carb manifold. It'd keep up with a 273 "Baccaruda" no
sweat!
>(They also made a Space Duster (who came up with that one?) which was
>basically a hatchback Duster; the rear seat folded down.) <snip>
More popular, but still pretty rare. No money in those, though. The
Feather Duster was a sales bomb, but proved that the Slant 6 could get
30 MPG on the road. Best I ever got with the '70 Ford 200 was 26, but
that was with a C4 automatic...not bad! What'd screw up the Maverick
on economy was that they'd put a higher rear end in the stick models,
so that would wipe out any advantage of no torque converter. By the
time the Feather Duster came out, though, the Japs were eating
Detroit's lunch on economy, but only Chrysler responded with something
that worked.
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tripping...@yahoo.com
tracker...and put in his place, big time.
Nice work FX...
tripping...@yahoo.com
image...
Those VW's were the biggest POS to ever roam the earth, period...
No wonder Germany lost 2 world wars...
DeserTBoB
>I seem to remember the four-speed looking identical to the 3/OD except for one
>thing: the 3-4 shift lever was oriented the opposite way. My theory is that the
>fourth gear from the four-speed became third for the OD unit, and they
>substituted an OD gear for the old third. I believe it was in the same case,
>anyway. <snip>
Must be ULTRA rare...never seen one, and I think Chrysler only used
this box on the Feather Duster, and that only lasted a year or so.
> Don't know about the Borg-Warner. I can say it was nothing like the OD
>for my dad's '54 Plymouth, which has a kick-down switch mounted on the
>carburetor. <snip>
'54...Plymouth's worst year ever for sales. Things would turn around
drastically, however, once Virgil Exner's tail fins hit the showrooms
in late '54 on the '55 models...and incredible turnaround story.
>True; I thought it was '63 but I might be wrong. I still have the shop manual
>somewhere for my old '63 Valiant convertible, so I could double-check. <snip>
It was somewhere in those 3 years, but I know it was gone by '64,
which was one of Valiant's biggest years...and a nice car all around.
> I suppose if the Feather Dusters are so rare, the Dart Lite must be even
>more so, since I see them mentioned even less. <snip>
Never saw one at all. I remember them being on the order sheet, but
no one I ever knew who worked for Mopar dealers ever saw one ordered.
Funny thing...people were stunned by the oil embargo of '74, yet
refused to order economical US built cars, instead opting for the
Japanese invaders. Honda made a huge splash with the CVCC powered
Civic and Accord right around the time the Dart and Volare replaced
the Valiant and Dart...another huge Chrysler goof, one which set the
stage for the later government bail-out.
dB
8 tracker from hell
8 tracker from hell
8 tracker from hell
> Funny thing...people were stunned by the oil embargo of '74, yet
> refused to order economical US built cars, instead opting for the
> Japanese invaders. Honda made a huge splash with the CVCC powered
> Civic and Accord right around the time the Dart and Volare replaced
> the Valiant and Dart...another huge Chrysler goof, one which set the
> stage for the later government bail-out.
>
> dB
that was because most of the japanese imports were priced $500, to $800
cheaper than any of the low end domestics.
however, i would'nt say that the darts & the volare models were goofs, they
were big sellers, especially in the east.
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>From: DeserTBoB des...@rglobal.net
>Date: 12/17/2004 4:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <uji6s0llq4t260g4s...@4ax.com>
There used to be that straight 6 performance place, I can't remember the name.
Their main logo was 2+2+2=8.
They had all sorts of performance stuff for straight 6's. They advertised in
Hot Rod and other mags.
DeserTBoB
wrote:
>that was because most of the japanese imports were priced $500, to $800
>cheaper than any of the low end domestics.
>however, i would'nt say that the darts & the volare models were goofs, they
>were big sellers, especially in the east. <snip>
They were simply replacements for the "A" body Dart and Valiant, but
they were too big for the times and had a horrid reputation for things
gone wrong. "A" body sales nosedived precipitously after 1970, except
for the Duster/Demon twins, which sold like hotcakes right up to the
end. After initial good sales on both in '76, Aspen and Volare sales
nosedived after word of poor quality control (a Chrysler curse for
decades), lousy gas mileage, flapping sheet metal and cheesy interiors
spread. But, as the record of the "Feather Duster" and the "Dart
Lite" showed, Americans weren't buying economical American cars, even
though the Feather Duster could beat many 4 cylinder imports with 4
speeds in economy. While the domestic dealerships sat with stale
inventory, Honda was churning out as many cars as it could get. Not
that ALL Japanese cars did well back then, either. I remember a
Datsun dealership that showed the '75 and '76 models as their worst
sales year, but the Honda store down the street couldn't keep them in
stock. This particular dealer was still trying to sell old '75 B210s,
610s and 710s (UGLY car) well into the '76 model year. Datsuns of
those years has a little problem with "uglyitis", but people thought
the Civic and the new Accord to be "cute." Only big sellers for
Datsun in '75-'76 were the trucks and the 280Z. One big reason Hondas
sold so well? They were the only car sold in the US that year that
could operate legally on cheaper leaded regular gasoline...no
converter.
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DeserTBoB
wrote:
>tripping...@yahoo.com wrote:
>go suck your mamas dick, nudofraud <snip>
I had a German-built '77 VW Rabbit L 1500 cc diesel with 5 speed that
got 56 MPG on the road. Not much slower than a contemporary Honda
Accord with a gas 1600cc 3 bbl CVCC, from what I could feel. I got
182K miles on it before I sold it, and the next owner was still
driving it last time I checked. Sound system: Koss Pro 4AAAs, which
were later made illegal in cars, so I had to go to "on the ear"
phones.
So, go suck your mama's dick, NudoFraud.
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Yodedude2
>stock.
The old family store added Honda in '77 or so. We had a waiting list until the
end of the model year for quite some time. My dad wouldn't charge a markup for
long time (which made other dealers and Honda mad). I have a memory of a Honda
8-track player in the showroowm accessory display. It may be an invented
memory--much has happened since then.
I also remember grabbing onto an unreturnable 70's A-body Delco AM/8-track
player when the store (Cadillac/Pontiac/Honda) was finally sold. It must be
gone now, but I'll have one last look in the attic. The Delco repair store
fixed one of my '67 GTO 8-track players in the late 80s. later, ron
DeserTBoB
>>but the Honda store down the street couldn't keep them in
>>stock.
>
>The old family store added Honda in '77 or so. We had a waiting list until the
>end of the model year for quite some time. My dad wouldn't charge a markup for
>long time (which made other dealers and Honda mad). <snip>
Sounds about right. American Honda frowned on dealers tacking on a
big markup due to the cars' popularity, but many did anyway, sometimes
up to $500, putting the Honda into the Big 3's price territory...and
they'd STILL outsell 'em. The Datsun store I worked at briefly was
tacking on $750 onto 280Zs and $500 on longbed pickups using the old
"LustreGlaze" scam...$750 for a cheapie wax job...just to make up for
the lousy sales on everything else. They couldn't get rid of 710s no
matter how high the spiff or how hard the ad campaign. One weekend,
the snails manager offered a $500 spiff on ANY 710 sold that weekend,
regardless of how many. As luck would have it, I managed to get four
"ups" looking for wagons, and we had 4 710 wagons, two in that ugly
pumpkin orange, one in a nasty "rubber red", but one in a really nice
dark metallic green. I was quite happy, and so was the store owner,
just to get rid of 'em. The F&I guys were really pissed off, since
three were cash deals. F&I guys would try to rip off the salesman,
even on cash deals, by throwing a "pad" in on the rear end of the
deal, but I'd always catch them. Chuckie Noodles would've made a
GREAT F&I guy; they were all crooks and frauders.
Meanwhile, down the street at Honda, people couldn't get enough of the
Accord and Civic hatchbacks...they were literally selling them off the
trucks as they arrived, and they were taking two and three deliveries
a DAY. They had to have 2 shifts of prep guys just to set 'em up
right off the trucks and drive 'em to the front to make delivery. A
guy who sold over there told me there was no selling involved...just
order taking, and they got full commish on each one. They sold
themselves. Things were a little better over at the Toyota store,
Celicas being the big movers over there, as well as the tinny
Corrolas, but nothing like what Honda had going. Over at the
Chrysler-Plymouth store, the only thing that was selling out were
Aspens and Cordobas. I remember one weekend I drove by, and they had
all their "Space Duster" hatchbacks backed up to the street with the
hatches open, and they sold 'em all out in one Saturday. Hatches were
hot in the '70s. People liked the Cordoba, too...until they checked
the gas mileage.
>I have a memory of a Honda
>8-track player in the showroowm accessory display. It may be an invented
>memory--much has happened since then. <snip>
In the Clarion display most Datsun dealers had, there was the "el
cheapo" AM/FM mono (not a too bad radio, actually), a really lousy
AM/FM stereo (bad noise problems) with shitty 4" speakers, an
AM/FM/cassette (actually by Fujitsu) and...TADA...one AM/FM/8 track
from...RCA! This was back before the days of lots of aftermarket
in-dash radios, so selling radios was a profitable business. Most
opted for the stock AM/FM mono, which I believe tacked on $39.95. The
second most popular was the RCA 8 track, and I remember that set had
some balls to it. I seem to remember it was more expensive than the
Fujistu-Ten cassette, which was ALWAYS coming back for warranty
repair. The RCAs were so popular, they'd "recycle" them as 1 or 2
year old cars would come back on trade-in, clean the heads, and sell
them as "demonstrator" units on new cars. Over at Honda, the Panasonc
AM/FM/8 track was their biggest seller by far...the one with the
fold-away radio scale. No power, but clean sounding until you pushed
it too far. The Honda stock AM Fujitsu-Ten radios were really awful,
so they made a lot of money on 8 tracks back in those years.
> I also remember grabbing onto an unreturnable 70's A-body Delco AM/8-track
>player when the store (Cadillac/Pontiac/Honda) was finally sold. <snip>
I seem to remember GM being VERY pissed off at longtime franchise
holders who'd add Japanese lines. I know this Datsun dealer had to
build a separate facility away from his B-O-P outlet, or GM threatened
to start screwing with his inventory, which was their perogative,
since he was an independent operator using factory provided stock.
Factory outlet stores, which still existed in those days, were
especially vulnerable to this, since GM was paying the flooring costs
on the cars and the dealer had no money up front on any of them.
Franchisees had more latitude, since they had to pay all flooring
costs. If an outlet operator pissed off Woodward Avenue enough,
though, they'd wind up with crap like 4 cylinder stick shift Pontiac
Venturas they couldn't sell. You remember those...the rebadged Novas
with the "engine flavor of the day" which started that big GM engine
fraud lawsuit. I remember going to an Olds store and finding three V8
Omegas on the line...one with an Olds 350, one with a Chevy 305, and
one with a Buick 301! I remember asking the "up" guy, "Since when do
you sell all three BOP cars here?" His reply, "Just go to parts,
stick whatever badge you want on 'em." What a nudofraud deal THAT
was....
>gone now, but I'll have one last look in the attic. The Delco repair store
>fixed one of my '67 GTO 8-track players in the late 80s. <snip>
They should've given you a free new Delco 8 track every time you'd
blow a rear end...which'd be about 4 times a year, as I remember them.
'66s were THE worst for that. Go around a corner, the spider gears
would crack in half. I heard the early '67s were the same, but a
production change in that model run fixed the problem.
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Yodedude2
>big markup due to the cars' popularity, but many did anyway,
My dad got a lot of pressure from American Honda factory rep to put markups on
the cars. He held out about ten years but finally did on some models,
typically Accord sedans.
> we had 4 710 wagons, two in that ugly
>pumpkin orange,
Hah! My nominee for the ugliest car color ever!
>A
>guy who sold over there told me there was no selling involved...just
>order taking,
An accurate assessment. We were taking orders from people who lived over 500
miles away.
>Over at Honda, the Panasonc
>AM/FM/8 track was their biggest seller by far...the one with the
>fold-away radio scale.
Yup, that sounds right.
>I know this Datsun dealer had to
>build a separate facility away from his B-O-P outlet, or GM threatened
>to start screwing with his inventory,
Yeah, we had to have separate showrooms for each line. Separate mechanics,
parts, etc.
> they'd wind up with crap like 4 cylinder stick shift Pontiac
>Venturas they couldn't sell. You remember those
My dad would never order anything but automatics...but I do remember quite a
few T1000s being sent our way. (The Pontiac Chevette)
>They should've given you a free new Delco 8 track every time
The 67s were the first year for Pontiac 8 tracks, and were different from 68s
and other years. Frankly, I was surprised they'd even work on it, but they had
parts for it and fixed it no problem. later, ron
tripping...@yahoo.com
Yeh, and Walmart sells lots of packs of gum for 50 cents each
too...which is about on par with a Honda car. You obviously are in the
el cheapo econo bracket- holy cripes I'd be EMBARASSED to own a Honda-
and buying a new one is a total RIPOFF. The damn things are a tin can
on wheels. The make them from American scrap metal, i.e. all our old
refrigerators and stoves, that's a Honda fender. Another car make that
belongs on the biggest POS of all time list.
Want a well designed car ?? Buy a GM product. Can't afford the gas ??
Then don't drive.
DeserTBoB
>>American Honda frowned on dealers tacking on a
>>big markup due to the cars' popularity, but many did anyway,
>
>My dad got a lot of pressure from American Honda factory rep to put markups on
>the cars. He held out about ten years but finally did on some models,
>typically Accord sedans. <snip>
Really! The Honda owner told me factory policy was "no big markups,"
but then again, that might have been an excuse to undercut the
domestic dealers...probably.
>
>> we had 4 710 wagons, two in that ugly
>>pumpkin orange,
>
>Hah! My nominee for the ugliest car color ever! <snip>
Oh man...we couldn't GIVE those turkey away. Every once in awhile,
we'd get someone desperate for a wagon, and since there were no 610
wagons, the "pumpkins" were usually it. We saw many come back
repainted.
>> they'd wind up with crap like 4 cylinder stick shift Pontiac
>>Venturas they couldn't sell. You remember those
>
>My dad would never order anything but automatics...but I do remember quite a
>few T1000s being sent our way. (The Pontiac Chevette) <snip>
Oh man, another dump job. The Chevette ranked down close to the Vega
as the USA's worst car. This guy's B-O-P store got shafted with 4 cyl
Venturas with 3 on the tree...virtually impossible to sell. He passed
'em out to salesmen as "demos". Not that good mileage, either...much
less than the Feather Duster, around 28...about the same as a Honda
Accord, also not well regarded for super mileage due to the CVCC
engine. Big seller in '75 and '76 at Datsun: The "Honey Bee," a
stripped down B-210 with a tall rear end, special graphics, ugly baby
shit yellow color, rubber floor mats...and a 4 speed. Nissan didn't
get wise to the 5 speed craze until late in the game. A "Honey Bee"
could get 41 MPG on the road, though, with the pushrod 1200 cc Aijin
Precision engine, a pretty reliable little squirrel cage with NO guts.
A fave on the used lot: the notoriously tinny little Datsun
1200s...the "tin foil cars," but good for 37 MPG. I haven't seen
either on the road in over 20 years, most winding up as junk yard food
in 5 years.
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DesertBob Jr.
Daddy that reminds me of the rotted 1975 Honda CVCC you got us last
year for Christmas from the junkyard- what a great car ! It still runs
today and only uses 1 quart of oil a day