Paint Comparison
Robert Guerra
I would like to know people's recomendations on good quaility paint for
interior use. I have been told that the following are "recommended"
long lasting, paints:
- Pratt & Lambert
- Benjamin Moore
- Gledden
- CIL
- Swerwin Williams (sp?)
The paint is for a job on a 1540 Sq Ft (150m2) Condominium (home).
any comments or suggestions would be very much appreciated
regards
robert
Wes Doughty
Glidden
or anything Below Sherwin Williams Super Paint. A-100 is ok.
Behr
I like to use:
Benjamin Moore
Porter Paints
Kelly Moore Paints
Good luck.
Wes
Lee Bolin
question.
Lee A. Bolin
BettyAnn
Porters are the ONLY Two that My Company uses. although My Company isn't
that large, Last Year we painted in five states, For different owners.
BettyAnn
John Schultz
forgot to tell anyone
John S
www.o-geepaint.com
BettyAnn wrote
Pat Strong
on color purity but the resin in the Pratt, eggshell formula is wonderfully
durable.
All these brands have several different grades. Get the best, highest resin
content. That's what's going to hold it on the wall. I don't generally use
flat paint, the lowest sheen I use is eggshell or satin depending on the
brand. ( it has more binder than flat and will scrub reasonably well)
The best is only a few dollars more and it's still cheaper than repainting in
only a few years.
Pat
Wes Doughty wrote:
> IMHO, I don't care for:
>
> Glidden
> or anything Below Sherwin Williams Super Paint. A-100 is ok.
> Behr
>
> I like to use:
>
> Benjamin Moore
> Porter Paints
> Kelly Moore Paints
>
> Good luck.
>
> Wes
>
> Robert Guerra wrote:
>
> > I would like to know people's recomendations on good quaility paint for
> > interior use. I have been told that the following are "recommended"
> > long lasting, paints:
> >
> > - Pratt & Lambert
> > - Benjamin Moore
> > - Gledden
> > - CIL
> > - Swerwin Williams (sp?)
> >
Pat Strong
wept!
I would modify my original post to this thread, Pratt WAS the best.
Pat
BettyAnn
BRIGHT and DARK colors.
The Amount of Acrylic is what keeps it on the wall. If you can wipe your
hands across the surface and its chalky or wipes off then the Acrylic
content is low. Cheap paint all do this. The higher the Acrylic the
higher the cost ---- up to a point, After this your paying for the name.
BettyAnn
WITHCOLOR
Dingo
of Glidden Dulux Devoe and Fuller OBrein, I believe Devoe now only make an
industrial line of paints for ICI.
Mark
WITHCOLOR <with...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990112175736...@ng19.aol.com...
>only devoe paint
Denzon
than any other line bar none-- Bruning paints Baltimore, Md
michael
and opinions as to which are the best. With paint, quality means
different things to different people. If you compared similar lines of
Sherwin Williams, Ben. Moore, ICI, you would probably find very little
difference in the overall quality of the products. You would notice
differences in appearance, feel, and application characteristics.
Everyone professionally chooses products based on thier value, which
includes product quality, company reputation, price per gallon and other
services offered. Being in the business for a number of years and
having had the opportunity to purchase from most companies thier best
brand, I can tell you there is no better paint than Sherwin Williams.
Mike
PBroussard
In article <77denk$10ve$1...@news.gate.net>, "John Schultz"
<jsch...@o-geepaint.com> writes:
>Since Sherwin Williams bought P&L they changed all the formulations and
>forgot to tell anyone
>
>John S
>www.o-geepaint.com
Not at all doubting you, but I'd like to know more. Got a link handy?
Broussard Painting Contractors, friend of Bill's
"Careful. We don't want to learn from this." -- Calvin
PBroussard
In article <369BFD26...@bellsouth.net>, michael <mph...@bellsouth.net>
writes:
>Being in the business for a number of years and
>having had the opportunity to purchase from most companies thier best
>brand, I can tell you there is no better paint than Sherwin Williams.
>
Well, Mike you just opened yourself up! :) I just finished an 800k home using
all SW paints, top of the line. We generally use BM to the tune of $2500 a
month. After using SW products for a few months, I still use BM, and will only
use SW at an owner/archetict/decorator's insistence. I find BM's products
superior to SW's across the entire product line. Mostly due to the ease of
application/ coverage.
Pat Strong
it was spectacular. Fabulous, saturated color, incredible film in a
gorgeous matte finish. I used it faithfully until the outlet near me closed
down and I had to trek across town to find it.
I used it from this new source and it was like a different paint. I figured
that it might have been the outlet, giving me something other than what I
had spec'ed. The color was ok, but not the lucious clarity of the other
line and the film wasn't even worth a second use. They were monumentally
unhelpful anyway and quite a drive so I let it go. Been back at BM and am
still missing the colors.
Pat
PBroussard wrote:
> In article <77denk$10ve$1...@news.gate.net>, "John Schultz"
> <jsch...@o-geepaint.com> writes:
>
> >Since Sherwin Williams bought P&L they changed all the formulations and
> >forgot to tell anyone
> >
> >John S
> >www.o-geepaint.com
>
> Not at all doubting you, but I'd like to know more. Got a link handy?
>
michael
like you know what you like. Good luck in the future.
Mike
Dingo
colors if you were looking for a specific P&L color you could not find on
the BM fan deck
Mark
MAK Deco
Pat Strong <str...@postoffice.swbell.net> wrote in message
news:369D6CAF...@postoffice.swbell.net...
Dingo
in the Chicagoland area that has bothered me with Sherwin is the customer
service stinks! They need better people working and selling their product.
As a painter for 12 yrs now in Chicago thats my opinion. I will continue
with Benjamin Moore becuase of quality and personal friendly service.
Mark
Mak Deco
michael <mph...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:369BFD26...@bellsouth.net...
>As with most materials available for sale today, there are many choices
>and opinions as to which are the best. With paint, quality means
>different things to different people. If you compared similar lines of
>Sherwin Williams, Ben. Moore, ICI, you would probably find very little
>difference in the overall quality of the products. You would notice
>differences in appearance, feel, and application characteristics.
>Everyone professionally chooses products based on thier value, which
>includes product quality, company reputation, price per gallon and other
>services offered. Being in the business for a number of years and
>having had the opportunity to purchase from most companies thier best
>brand, I can tell you there is no better paint than Sherwin Williams.
>
>Mike
>
BettyAnn
thing.
BettyAnn
George Lake
site at
When they bought P&L they origianlly did change many of the formulas to use
raw materials they already had in use. There was an immediate market
backlash though and not only did they change the formulas back to the
original P&L ones, they also recalled several million gallons from their
distributors and warehouses. I'm sure Sherwin Williams has no intension of
losing P&L's excellent reputation after investing so much money into the
purchase.
GL
Tu 2 Tweng
cost as much as car paint, $26 for .87 L ...The importer makes some wild claims
...super high titanium count
no extenders..etc...check it out at Fine paints of Europe site...let me Know if
anyone has used this...they claim that 2L will go as far as a gallon in the
coverage department.....
Scunner
no extenders..etc...
surely titanium is an extender????
Dave Folkman
Scunner wrote:
No not at all. The titaium is titanium dioxide, the white, hiding
pigment in the paint.
Tu 2 Tweng
may be this will clear things up:
Why are SCHREUDER Paints So Special?
In order to appreciate the high performance of SCHREUDER Finishes, it is
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fillers such as calcium carbonate (common chalk). Excessive amounts of
chalk, clay, talc or other fillers in a paint give it a thick "milk
shake" texture, but there is actually less pure color in the blend. When
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SCHREUDER "super-conditions" its color pigments by grinding them to the
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Tu 2 Tweng
FINE PAINTS OF EUROPE is an American company that evolved out of my
search for a high quality paint to use on our family's 18th century
home. Like many tourists traveling in Europe, I had been struck by the
depth of the colors and the beauty of the finishes seen on interior
surfaces and painted facades throughout the Continent. When it came time
to paint our home, I sought out finishes of "European" quality. However,
my search led me to discover that such paints were not available from
domestic suppliers.
While researching the domestic market, I was disappointed to learn that
performance standards no longer exist in today's U.S. paint industry. As
a result, manufacturers have chosen to compete on the basis of price
rather than quality. Inexpensive extenders, fillers and water are used
to formulate domestic finishes, replacing the pigments and oils that
ensure an intensity of color and longevity of finish. The traditional
emphasis on paint's beauty and durability have been lost, only to be
replaced by a short-sighted approach that emphasizes one coat coverage,
ease of clean up and low price.
Unwilling to compromise on the quality of paint to be used on our home,
I decided to seek out the rich and lasting colors I had seen in Europe.
My search for the perfect paint led to Schoonhoven, Holland, the
birthplace of HASCO paint, manufactured by the Hermann A. Schreuder
family for over 300 years. I was so impressed with the quality of the
paint and the need for a European alternative to the mediocre domestic
finishes, that I decided to found a company that would make such paints
available in the United States.
FINE PAINTS OF EUROPE is honored to have been granted permission by the
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The Economical Finish of the 90s:
This is a decade in which true value is more important than pricem
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______________________________________________________________________
Situation I:
Painting a large living room measuring twenty feet square with an eight
foot ceiling (1,040 total square feet). The existing finish is in sound
condition.
SCHREUDER Quality Alternative: Painting contractor applies HASCOLAC
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Satin or Brilliant enamel on woodwork.
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installation:4 yearsAnnualized cost of finish:$287
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SCHREUDER Brilliant on woodwork.
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installation:10 yearsAnnualized cost of finish:$160
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Painting the exterior of a 3,000 square foot Colonial home, previously
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Painting contractor applies two coats of a nationally recognized premium
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Total:
$6,420Expected life of installation:5 yearsAnnualized cost of finish:
$1,284
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John Lahey
President
George Lake
true they are written in such a way as to confuse the average consumer. For
example, after reading this, you might think that all 'extenders' are bad
and that they are only used to 'cheapen' the paint. In reality, the best
paints available use these extenders. Chalking in poor quality paints does
not come from excessive extenders, it comes from not using enough binder
(glue) to completely coat all of the dry particles. Try painting a wall with
100% Titanium Dioxide and no binder and you'll have the chalkiest mess
you've ever seen. And the 'thick milk shake texture' that they complain
about is a key to good quality! Clays are often used specifically to improve
the rheology of the paint. Rheology is more than viscosity, it's the change
in viscosity under different conditions. A quality paint will be thick and
not drip when your brush is hanging in the air but by applying force to it,
pushing the brush across the wall, the paint changes to be thinner. This
allows the paint to flow briefly and close up the brush marks. However, when
the brush is gone, it thickens again so that the paint doesn't run down the
wall. Thank you clay! And then there is color, Titanium adds hiding but it
also adds whiteness. A black paint or a dark red or green will hide well
without much titanium. Adding titanium to these just forces you to add more
color pigment to overcome the white. These color pigments have no additional
properties (like rheology) so this approach only makes a paint more
expensive but NOT better.
In short, since Titanium is the most expensive ingredient, a good 'rule
of thumb' for WHITE paint is the more titanium the better, but even with
titanium, you can have too much of a good thing.
George