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OK then, CP's. Not Orthodox Meatballs, but rather Clearing
Practioners.
So we have meatballs, spaceballs, and cp's. Good.
hmmm, should it be 'practitioners' ?
Anyway, CP's.
Actually I kind of like, meatballs, spaceballs, and clearings. But I
suppose cp works well enough.
Homer
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> As Richard Bach said in the book of the same name, we are all
>Reluctant Messiahs. Thus in the broadest sense we
>are all clearing practioners, at least those that desire the
>goals and understandings of clearing and total responsibility.
>
I guess this is really the whole thing, total responsibility. And can
you not want that? Of course we all want that.
And now you say it comes with a price this total responsibility. That
when you have it you also have abilities, lets call them OT abilities.
You have memories of your past lives, to be drawn up at will.
The abilities and memories are because you have a path to this Total
Responsibility, a path called Clearing. And on this path you find and
confront past life occurrences that had moved you from total
responsibility.
Quick aside, I read and promptly forgot Reluctant Messiahs, but was
seriously enamored by Jonathan Livingston Seagull, just read Jonathan
again recently in fact. Is Reluctant Messiahs worth reading again I
ask? Maybe I just missed the book for some reason?
So you have this path to Clearing, and it is a path. And a work in
progress at times. And do you Homer, and others, graciously entertain
the non-Clearings because of that line from Desiderata "and listen to
others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story."
It would be rude to call them/us dull and ignorant, so use 'meatballs'
instead. And on this path of yours a meatball might just give you the
next Cognition if you will. The next breakthrough on the Path.
And you have dealt with the meatballs that listen carefully to what
you have to say, they listen to thoughts and ideas they have never
even considered before, ever. And then after three minutes of careful
listening they realize, "wow, I have been OT all along!"
But not for you Clearings, not you. It is no easy path you walk. It
takes honor, humor, compassion, diligence. But not intensity of
course, that is too rude a word, intensity. But rather Intention, or
lets just call it Command Intention.
And you have rules to follow and one of the rules is that there are no
rules and you have to understand this to make any progress. And maybe
you start to think that you have to be OT to go OT. But no, not even
that, for there is no easy path to Clearing.
Are we fooling ourselves though, both meatballs and clearings alike,
are we simply fooling ourselves? This is what I would introduce here.
Would a true clearing waste time on this silliness on some usenet ng?
Would a true meatball be able to converse intelligently? After all a
meatball is solely an 'eat drink and sleep' machine. While clearings
are out there or up there in grand contemplations and actions.
XXV.
Alike for those who for to-day prepare,
And those that after some to-morrow stare,
A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries,
"Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There."
This is what I would introduce, along these lines. We are not
discussing if past lives are a reality or not, one life or infinite
lives is not the discussion.
Personally, given the money, like a big lottery payoff, and I would
probably move right into 'full responsibility." I could I suppose be
accomplished at this Clearing business, and then move into 'full
responsibility'. But I have this strong suspicion that no matter what
we do we come out of that same door that we walked in.
So yes, En Garde! Let us dance and play. Maybe I will make you a
better Clearing Homer, and just as importantly, I might become a
better Meatball.
ahhhh and sigh. Those that would call themselves Natural OT's and
those that would call themselves Natural Meatballs. NO, these things
take application and understanding to achieve.
Anything and everything I typed right now is subject to revision, I'm
still reading and learning after all. Enough for the moment...
Total responsibility allows one to create ability packages
that may or may not include any particular ability.
Total responsibility does make one pan determined over
a game, as one is creator of the game.
So yes.
> The abilities and memories are because you have a path to this Total
> Responsibility, a path called Clearing. And on this path you find and
> confront past life occurrences that had moved you from total
> responsibility.
TR regins at all times, as does justice, you get what
you postulate. But if you postulate that you can't postulate
you get that too.
Thus the 'path' is towards recognition and orientation to
EXISTING TR on the matter which then allows you to stand
down a postulate rather than be an effect to it wondering 'who
or what is cause around here, and why is it such an asshole.'
All of clearing is spot the postulate and clear it or not
as you now desire.
> Quick aside, I read and promptly forgot Reluctant Messiahs, but was
> seriously enamored by Jonathan Livingston Seagull, just read Jonathan
> again recently in fact. Is Reluctant Messiahs worth reading again I
> ask? Maybe I just missed the book for some reason?
It is worth reading again.
> So you have this path to Clearing, and it is a path. And a work in
> progress at times. And do you Homer, and others, graciously entertain
> the non-Clearings because of that line from Desiderata "and listen to
> others, even to the dull and the ignorant, they too have their story."
Ron says in Science of Survival that below tone 4.0
a being's reaction to other's reality is something like 'Well
that may be YOUR reality...'
But at 4.0, the being is interested in other's realities,
not to change them, but because they are a work of art.
Homer
Meatball is a highly technical term as is dreamball, it conveys an
exact view of the world, made of meat or made of consciousness.
Other terms such as dull, ignorant and stupid, are also technical
terms, but are used with more contempt rightly or wrongly. Dullness,
ignorance and stupidity are all necessary to the game, or else the game
would vanish, so one has to see the aesthetic of them, in which case the
game WILL vanish :) So the contempt tends to keep the game around, which
is the aesthetic to contempt.
> And on this path of yours a meatball might just give you the
> next Cognition if you will. The next breakthrough on the Path.
Yes, interplay between meatball and dreamball creates energy and
cognition on both sides.
Dealing with dishonest meatballs though is hard, because they are
in a continuous state of treason to themselves and to you. They PRETEND
they wish to know more, but really they are terrified you might be
right.
The average prove it case that claims he just wants some help to
know if OT exists, actually wants to spot the OT's and target them for
destruction, because the prove it case know full well that OTHERS may
become OT but HE surely never will.
Thus engaging in lively dialogue with someone who has a knife
behind his back intended for your heart is not recommended unless you
enjoy wrastling with alligators.
> And you have dealt with the meatballs that listen carefully to what
> you have to say, they listen to thoughts and ideas they have never
> even considered before, ever. And then after three minutes of careful
> listening they realize, "wow, I have been OT all along!"
That would be an ideal scene.
His realization would be right but glib, and his sense of
repsonsibility for his condition would fold up at the first mishap, "NO
way did I do this to myself, no way man."
> But not for you Clearings, not you. It is no easy path you walk. It
> takes honor, humor, compassion, diligence. But not intensity of
> course, that is too rude a word, intensity. But rather Intention, or
> lets just call it Command Intention.
Pitbull devotion, and fearless sense of kamikaze.
Body has to be willing to die.
> And you have rules to follow and one of the rules is that there are no
> rules and you have to understand this to make any progress. And maybe
> you start to think that you have to be OT to go OT. But no, not even
> that, for there is no easy path to Clearing.
The main problem with recovering TR is the difference in motivations
between those that create games and those that play them.
Humans are presently in a state of playing a game they don't want
to play, and they will kill anyone who created it.
Once a being finds himself in 'this game should not have, could not
have, would not have' been created by himself or anyone else, his TR
drops to zero and now he has an ARC break with Source.
Once he considers that he IS source, the ARC break doesn't heal, it
merely moves over to HIM.
> Are we fooling ourselves though, both meatballs and clearings alike,
> are we simply fooling ourselves? This is what I would introduce here.
>
> Would a true clearing waste time on this silliness on some usenet ng?
> Would a true meatball be able to converse intelligently? After all a
> meatball is solely an 'eat drink and sleep' machine. While clearings
> are out there or up there in grand contemplations and actions.
You are missing meatballs trying to become dreamballs.
It is the people in transition that stay around and 'help'.
> Personally, given the money, like a big lottery payoff, and I would
> probably move right into 'full responsibility." I could I suppose be
> accomplished at this Clearing business, and then move into 'full
> responsibility'. But I have this strong suspicion that no matter what
> we do we come out of that same door that we walked in.
Where in does this suspicion come from, observation or
consideration?
If consideration, is it a causal consideration or just a
description of the observation?
Who or what is cause around here?
> So yes, En Garde! Let us dance and play. Maybe I will make you a
> better Clearing Homer, and just as importantly, I might become a
> better Meatball.
By clearing you mean a dreamball, right?
> ahhhh and sigh. Those that would call themselves Natural OT's and
> those that would call themselves Natural Meatballs. NO, these things
> take application and understanding to achieve.
Yes, only an OT could, would, should, become a meatball.
> Anything and everything I typed right now is subject to revision, I'm
> still reading and learning after all. Enough for the moment...
Homer
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>> Quick aside, I read and promptly forgot Reluctant Messiahs, but was
>> seriously enamored by Jonathan Livingston Seagull, just read Jonathan
>> again recently in fact. Is Reluctant Messiahs worth reading again I
>> ask? Maybe I just missed the book for some reason?
>
> It is worth reading again.
>
Found it for $3.50, total cost, on ebay. In theory it is in the mail
now. "Illusions: The Adventures Of A Reluctant Messiah". Hope this
is the correct one.
Homer
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How about Philosophy, or applied religious philosophy?
>
> Because Clearing Technology deals with the repair of the human
> body, heart, mind and soul from psychic influences it is classified as a
> religion. However its methods are those of science, so it is also a
> science.
We could use some work on the science, tho, I think:
Meanwhile I offer the following 2 quotes from Aleister Crowley:
1) "We place no reliance
in Virgin or Pigeon
Our method is science
Our aim is religion"
2)"I slept with faith.
I found her a corpse
in the morning.
I drank and danced all night with doubt.
I found her a virgin in the morning"
Any1 got any thoughts?
Oh; I guess I whould note, finally that his journal, the equinox was
subtitled "a journal of scientific illuminism"
>
> Although the matter is open to debate, the aims of Clearing
> Technology are clearly Religious in nature, and its methods, being based
> on observation, hypothesis and experiment, are clearly Scientific in
> nature.
>
> Clearing Technology is a Scientific approach to Religion, as best
> it can be, given the nature of the subject under study.
>
> In any case Clearing Technology is certainly a BODY OF TECHNIQUE
> whose application to oneself gives rise to long term desirable end
> results in one's self, in one's own estimation.
>
> One more point, the people who come into Clearing Technology almost
> always HAVE a religion firmly in place, even if it is the religion of no
> religion. These people are not looking for a new religion, and they are
> certainly not interested in being forced to change their religion or
> HAVE a religion. Most of them also consider that it would be improper
> or heretical to follow two religions at once.
Darn! I follow @ least 3.
> ...
>
> read more »
Has the creation of clear l or any of the sub alt.clearing ng's, or
anything changed any point of any of the charter? Ever considered
doing an alt.clearing faq?
Huh! Huh! He said "clearings" and restimulated my glade implant!
Huh! Huh!
I thought it was called Illusion?!!
I got/to some extent, liked, your post. However I really don't think
that command intention and intensity are truly synonymouse terms. In
fact, 1 might argue that command intention is defined w/greatest
certainty, by its lack of anything resembling intensity.
Because the best command intention makes you wonder why you want to do
whats "ordered"; if the source of sid intention is obviously being
intence, you need not enquire.
Loved that book. Read it in the late 80's. What did you think of
Stranger in a Strange Land?
>> > now. �"Illusions: The Adventures Of A Reluctant Messiah". �Hope this
>
>Loved that book. Read it in the late 80's. What did you think of
>Stranger in a Strange Land?
Personally it was a favorite in my youth. And then suddenly in the
org one day I remember Stranger, that this OT stuff reminds me of this
book. I mention that a few members and I talk and some of them are
saying it is "pure tech".
And then this couple there, it turns out they have an awesome
collection of sci fi novels, and that Stranger had come out with an
expanded copy. And I read that also.
And then the one of them is saying that Hubbard, Heinlein, and another
name I simply cannot remember. That the three of them travel the
whole track together and always drop the bodies at about the same
time.
Homer
Probably. No time to write a faq though...
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On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Ted Mayett <ars.to.t...@xxmmxxspamgourmet.com> wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:41:32 -0800 (PST), Slarty
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>> > now. "Illusions: The Adventures Of A Reluctant Messiah". Hope this
>
>Loved that book. Read it in the late 80's. What did you think of
>Stranger in a Strange Land?
Personally it was a favorite in my youth. And then suddenly in the
org one day I remember Stranger, that this OT stuff reminds me of this
book. I mention that a few members and I talk and some of them are
saying it is "pure tech".
Heinlein; I've herd did get some auditing. Also LRH and Heinlein were quite good friends, as lrh notes many times in lectures. Also see Heinleins Grumbles from the Grave.
And then this couple there, it turns out they have an awesome
collection of sci fi novels, and that Stranger had come out with an
expanded copy. And I read that also.
And then the one of them is saying that Hubbard, Heinlein, and another
name I simply cannot remember. That the three of them travel the
whole track together and always drop the bodies at about the same
time.
Was the other name that of a sci-fi writer?What did you think of Herman Hesses Siddhartha?p.s.: Both of the books we've been discussing so far are favorites of mine.
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Thank you. What did you think of Siddhartha, by Hermean Hesse?
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>Thank you. What did you think of Siddhartha, by Hermean Hesse?
Required reading for searching youth.
What did you think of the book?