hari's observation of people
HAPPYsamurai
> the other three avenues of perception for the value they can bring.
sounds ok
> The passage you chose to quote was there to lay out a reference point
> we can all relate to, comparing things to what we already know. Once
> that reference point was established he went on to say:
> 'Only a few people are aware of an
> impersonal formless nature beyond the
> definitions of self.
do you think Tom is aware of this Dave?
do you think he has "experienced" it?
do you think Wayne has?
do you think Wayne's comment that grace is less evolved than a rock
is
in accordance with Wayne's awareness of the impersonal formlessness
hari talks about?
Wayne
Rocks aren't so bad once you get to know them. Can't say that about
Grace. Knowing Grace IS bad.
Once you wake up a rock, that rock KNOWS which side the bread is
buttered on, and he won't fight you over whether he (or she) wants
greater awareness, more perception and presence, wants a bigger game. A
rock wants greater happiness, more freedom, and a connection to higher
self.
And a rock won't backstab you for helping him out.
Grace, on the other hand, believes living in a moldy basement in Ohio is
the pinnacle of spiritual attainment. Anyone doing better than Grace is
a know-it-all or they're greedy and getting more than their fair share,
and she's ready to to tell you so.
A rock has a better chance at enlightenment than Grace.
I'm just sayin'.
Eldon
> > Harry's point in offering this course is to present an opening into
> > the other three avenues of perception for the value they can bring.
>
> sounds ok
>
> > The passage you chose to quote was there to lay out a reference point
> > we can all relate to, comparing things to what we already know. Once
> > that reference point was established he went on to say:
> > 'Only a few people are aware of an
> > impersonal formless nature beyond the
> > definitions of self.
>
> do you think Tom is aware of this Dave?
> do you think he has "experienced" it?
>
> do you think Wayne has?
Do you think this "impersonal formless nature" might have anything to
do with transcendentalism, Hindu beliefs or the Tao? If so, is Hari
just trying to sound like he's onto something special and exclusive?
Actually, I think his observation of people is that they're gullible
prey who are there to be exploited. Empathy and compassion are outside
his realm of experience, though he has learned to feign them like an
actor.
Grace
I"m going to ignore Wayne's attempt at sharing love and light and the
joy of life and suggest that he recognize the "source" of his
discontentment and own his creation of betrayal.
Merry Christmas.............
grace
qt2t...@yahoo.com
>
Wayne,
You are a hoot. I can count on your posts to make me laugh out loud
at least twice a month, sometimes more.
Merry Christmas.............
grace
Oh, c'mon grace, lighten up, at least for the next couple of days.
Even snakes should be able to laugh at themselves once in a while,
don't you agree?
Wayne
Grace
Just this morning I was thinkin' just how good I feel.
Part of this "feeling" good I can honestly contribute to being truth
about Avatar and Wayne and his side kick Daku.
The other part is finding and acting upon some great nutritional
advice I came across recently. And no Daku it had nothing to do with
your "diet".
Looking forward to the New Year and all the wonder of this great
adventure called life.
grace
Tom Booth
> do you think Tom is aware of this Dave?
> do you think he has "experienced" it?
Happy, what's up with all these posts about "Tom", your embarrassing
me.
To answer your question, anyway...
From my own perspective that is;
When you talk about the "impersonal formless" I'm reminded of another
book I received from Margie Hoffman or from the Center for Creative
Learning.
----------------------
"THERE is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which,
in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the
interspaces of the universe.
A thought in this substance produces the thing that is imaged by the
thought.
Man can form things in his thought, and by impressing his thought upon
formless substance can cause the thing he thinks about to be created.
--------------------
- - Wallace D. Wattles - The Science Of Getting Rich
http://www.science-to-getting-rich.com/SGR-Wattle.Getting.Rich.pdf
In my opinion, this is not so much a state of consciousness but rather
a theory to be tested experimentally.
I might also mention that while I believe the above theory can be
demonstrated and experienced Mr. Wattles application is very limited.
For example he writes:
"The creative energy works through the established channels of natural
growth, and of the industrial and social order. All that is included
in his mental image will surely be brought to the man who follows the
instructions given above, and whose faith does not waver. What he
wants will come to him through the ways of established trade and
commerce."
For a different viewpoint I would recommend "Studies In Alchemy"
If that link doesn't work there are other download sites.
About the "impersonal" nature of this "formless substance" this author
writes:
"God is a benign Impersonal Personality, a Personal Impersonality, a
Personal Personality, and an Impersonal Impersonality comprising the
manifold consciousness of being."
Hmmm... well...
The Alchemy book (as well as many others) applies the same principles
regarding " "impressing thought upon formless substance" but suggests
that it goes further than merely having things come "through the ways
of established trade and commerce". but rather that using the same
basic methodology "direct precipitation" of physical objects is
possible.
So this "impersonal formless" stuff is not a "state of consciousness"
or trance or "expanded awareness" or whatever to be striven after. It
is what we are, what everything is made of so-to-speak. Bringing the
"formless" into form or physical manifestation does not change its
nature. Thought is thought.
Physical objects are just "condensed" thought. There is no mysterious
"source consciousness" that needs to be attained by the idiotic
repetition of some phrase.
HAPPYsamurai
and Wayne on the other hand believes calling Grace a rock is a
manifestation of the pinnacle of his spiritual attainment
>
> Wayne,
>
> You are a hoot. I can count on your posts to make me laugh out loud
> at least twice a month, sometimes more.
>
a hoot
yes indeed
a hoot
perhaps everyone who is a hoot is at the pinnacle of spiritual
attainment
what level of awareness do comedians operate from?
HAPPYsamurai
> On Dec 23, 6:00 pm, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > do you think Tom is aware of this Dave?
> > do you think he has "experienced" it?
>
> Happy, what's up with all these posts about "Tom", your embarrassing
> me.
>
thank you for your frankness Tom
while I understand everyone here is a real person,
for me, because of the medium, I see everyone as an archetype of what
they represent at the time, built up from the observation of their
posts
> http://204.210.154.31/eBooks/Grimoires%20and%20Magick%20Related/(digi...
>
> If that link doesn't work there are other download sites.
>
> About the "impersonal" nature of this "formless substance" this author
> writes:
>
> "God is a benign Impersonal Personality, a Personal Impersonality, a
> Personal Personality, and an Impersonal Impersonality comprising the
> manifold consciousness of being."
>
> Hmmm... well...
>
> The Alchemy book (as well as many others) applies the same principles
> regarding " "impressing thought upon formless substance" but suggests
> that it goes further than merely having things come "through the ways
> of established trade and commerce". but rather that using the same
> basic methodology "direct precipitation" of physical objects is
> possible.
>
> So this "impersonal formless" stuff is not a "state of consciousness"
> or trance or "expanded awareness" or whatever to be striven after. It
> is what we are, what everything is made of so-to-speak. Bringing the
> "formless" into form or physical manifestation does not change its
> nature. Thought is thought.
>
> Physical objects are just "condensed" thought. There is no mysterious
> "source consciousness" that needs to be attained by the idiotic
> repetition of some phrase.
hmmm
like if awareness is consciousness+content
what happens if you put your awareness on your consciousness?
do you get a feedback loop?
HAPPYsamurai
>
> Do you think this "impersonal formless nature" might have anything to
> do with transcendentalism, Hindu beliefs or the Tao? If so, is Hari
> just trying to sound like he's onto something special and exclusive?
>
> Actually, I think his observation of people is that they're gullible
> prey who are there to be exploited. Empathy and compassion are outside
> his realm of experience, though he has learned to feign them like an
> actor.
>
some people are naturally good at sniffing out money
in it's most negative form - it can be bad for others around them...
hence the invention of anti-monopoly laws
and yet as a personal attribute it is hard to control - because from a
carrot a stick point of view - the behavior is always "rewarded" -
unless one is in a community that reserves the right of Ostracism
again back to hari's p6 chart
no comment on awareness of individual gain vs community
while Ostracism is a hard sell as a community asset with the present
zeigeist
it was common place in athens
cap vs dem
qt2t...@yahoo.com
>
> hmmm
>
> like if awareness is consciousness+content
>
> what happens if you put your awareness on your consciousness?
>
> do you get a feedback loop?
Maybe you get Yaweh or Popeye the Sailor man...
I yam what I yam... arf arf arf arf arf....