The ''holistic view'' of Avatar....:(
Ronald Cools
they share a holistic view regarding diseases.
However, the following quote of Harry Palmer regarding spirits who take
posession of people's bodies, and being responsible for sickness, does not
sound very eh..... ''holistic''! Rather it is dualistic.
[I translated one paragraph in Dutch.]
Quote uit het Avatar Wizard Cursus:
"De problemen die ze [d.w.z. astrale geesten of entiteiten] bij je
veroorzaken varieren van willekeurige krampen tot chronische pijnen,
dwangmatige verlangens of de obsessieve hebzucht. Jouw wil wordt ondermijnd
door hun obsessieve identificatiedrang. Zij kunnen een continuering
veroorzaken van een gebeurtenis, een voorwaarde, een geestelijke staat, vaak
uitmondend in een chronische toestand. Ze kunnen zich manifesteren als een
oude wond, een pijn, een emotioneel trauma, een gevoel, een attitude, een
telkens terugkerende gedachte, een verlangen, een verslaving, sterke afkeer
tegen iets, een impuls, een lichaamsdeel, een defect orgaan, een misvorming,
een argument, een onredelijke angst, enz. Ze kunnen letterlijk elke sensatie
zijn die je direct kunt waarnemen via het bewustzijn".
Quote from the Avatar Wizard Course:
"The troubles they [troublesome astral entities or ghosts] cause you can be
anything from random twitches to chronic pains to obsessive desires to
full-fledged possessions. Their obessive identification undermines your
will. They can cause a prolongation of an event, a condition, or a mental
state, often to the point of turning it into a chronic affair. They can be
an old injury, a pain, an emotional trauma, a feeling, an attitude, a
recurring thought, a desire, a compulsion, a repulsion, an impulse, a body
part, a malfunctioning organ, a deformity, an argument, an unreasonable
fear, etc. They can literally be any sensation that you can perceive
directly by consciousness."
Ronald Cools
(Quote from page 164 from the Avatar Wizard Course (translated by me). Do I
need say anything MORE?
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Lastige Entiteiten (Aardgebonden geesten)
In dit specifieke paradigma wordt met de beschrijving "lastige entiteit" of
"aardgebonden geest" een wezen bedoeld, dat het fysieke niveau heeft
verlaten, maar wiens aandacht nog steeds is gefixeerd op wereldse
aangelegenheden. Zij zijn nog niet begonnen met het overzien van hun leven.
Primair heb hier je te maken met entiteiten van de lagere astrale wereld,
wiens aandacht nog steeds gefixeerd is op het fysieke niveau. De straal van
hun gefixeerde aandacht op de fysieke vlak, weerhoudt hen ervan om volledig
in de astrale gedachtencocon terug te keren, waar ze de gebeurtenissen
gedurende hun leven zouden kunnen integreren. Ze bieden nog steeds
weerstand. Ze verlangen nog steeds. Ze worstelen nog steeds met zaken die
alleen een fysiek geincarneerd wezen bezig zou moeten houden. Op hun eigen
afwijkende manier proberen ze nog steeds de ervaring van doodgaan te
overleven.
Zoals je weet, als je je aandacht sterk en lang genoeg op iets richt, wordt
je dat. Dat is identificatie. Deze entiteiten behoren tot deze klasse. Ze
bestaan als de sensaties waar hun aandacht op gefixeerd was in de fysieke
sfeer. Ze kunnen niet door met de reis naar het Hogere zelf, of zich
terugtrekken in een integrerende slaap waarmee de wezens zijn gezegend die
het fysieke achter zich hebben gelaten. Ze zitten vast.
De problemen die ze [d.w.z. astrale geesten of entiteiten] bij je
veroorzaken varieren van willekeurige krampen tot chronische pijnen,
dwangmatige verlangens of de obsessieve hebzucht. Jouw wil wordt ondermijnd
door hun obsessieve identificatiedrang. Zij kunnen een continuering
veroorzaken van een gebeurtenis, een voorwaarde, een geestelijke staat, vaak
uitmondend in een chronische toestand. Ze kunnen zich manifesteren als een
oude wond, een pijn, een sterke afkeer tegen iets, een emotioneel trauma,
een gevoel, een attitude, een telkens terugkerende gedachte, een verlangen,
een verslaving, sterke afkeer tegen iets, een impuls, een lichaamsdeel, een
defect orgaan, een misvorming, een argument, een onredelijke angst, enz. Ze
kunnen letterlijk elke sensatie zijn die je direct kunt waarnemen via het
bewustzijn".
Troublesome Entities (Earthbound Spirits)
In this particular paradigm, the description _troublesome entity_
or_Earthbound spirit_ is applied to a being who has departed the physical
plane but still has attention fixed on physical concerns. They have not yet
begun their life review.
You are primarily dealing with the entities of the lower astral plane region
who are still attached by their fixed attention to the physical plane. Their
beam of attention into the physical plane keeps them from completely
entering into an astral thought-cocoon where they might integrate the events
of their life. They still resist. They still want. They still struggle with
matters that rightly should occupy only a physically incarnate being. In
their own aberrant way, they are still trying to survive the experience of
dying.
As you know, if you fix attention on something long enough and strong
enough, you become it. This is identification. This is the predicament of
these entities. They are being the sensation that their attention was fixed
on in physical planes. They cannot move on to higher self or retreat into
the integrative sleep that blesses the beings who have put the physical
behind them. They are trapped.
waynemcmahon
medical treatment, or alternative medical care, to get sufficient rest,
exercise prudently, eat nutritiously. And no prohibition against
bad-intentioned attacks on others which attracts bad mojo although that
wouldn't be a bad prohibition.
Striking out against the useful solutions of others is not a useful
solution. If the Wizards materials aren't useful to you, don't use them.
If you need thumping and chopping and sewing and sticking with needles
and tablets of complex molecues and other modern medical treatment, try
that if it works for you. Hey, I'm fond of medical treatment myself:
it's saved my life a few times.
Does modern medicine work for you? Then avail yourself of it, and take
your meds as prescribed. But stay open for better solutions.
Do they show old Star Trek re-runs in your country? There was an
episode where Bones (23rd century medical doctor) passes some electronic
device over a guy's body and heals him and as he does so he rails about
how barbaric 20th century surgery, pharmaceuticals, and medicine was.
That was prophetic. Just as our medical practices today are advanced
over what they were a few centuries ago (or even as they exist today in
some corners of the world), there wll be advances in the future in ways
you can't foresee.
My own medical advice is that if you're bleeding or on fire or having a
heart attack, get to a modern medical facility and maintain life. But
if it keeps recurring, find a spiritual or alternative solution that
works for you so you stop "pulling it in".
I'm sorry you're hurting, Ronald, and that you refuse help. But please
don't carp against activities that others find useful: it only attracts
bad effects back on yourself and you'll find yourself like, alas, Poor
Alrick, believing he's under psychic attack.
Please tell your Mom she needs to make you take a nap. And some stewed
prunes.
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Eldonbraun
entity exorcism.
Pray tell us what's the difference in effect between the Scientology
body thetans and the avartar entities to be exorcised.
Pray show any evidence that either of these medieval knockoffs is a
useful solution.
Oh, you can't, can you? I thought not. Other than some bullshit rumor
from someone trying to sell the Avatar course who says she heard that
someone on the Wizard course said she was healed of a deadly disease.
Not mentioning any names of course. No evidene, but someone heard it.
Just like I heard third-hand that Wayne McMahon is a nutcase. Of
course, I can't prove it, but there's more evidence for that.
Ronald Cools
(Quote from page 165 and 166 from the Avatar Wizard Course (translated by
pagina 165
Het astrale lichaam en de invloeden van entiteiten.
Tijdens je leven neigen het astrale lichaam en het fysieke lichaam ertoe om
dezelfde condities en gebeurtenissen te weerspiegelen. Een verwonding aan
het fysieke lijf verschijnt ook als een verwonding aan het astrale lichaam.
Als het fysieke lichaam is verzwakt door ziekte of slechte leefgewoontes, is
het afweersysteem van het astrale lichaam ook verzwakt. Omgekeerd, als het
astrale lichaam wordt beïnvloed, verschijnt deze beïnvloeding ook in het
fysieke lichaam.
Onder optimale omstandigheden bewaart zowel het astrale lichaam, net als het
fysieke lichaam, zijn eigen integriteit en is in hoge mate immuun voor de
invloed van andere astrale entiteiten. Alleen als dit immuunsysteem verzwakt
door een of andere verwonding of ziekte, of vanwege een flirt met een of
ander potentieel destructieve gewoonte, kan het astrale lichaam worden
beïnvloed door lastige astrale entiteiten. Elke invloed die een entiteit
uitoefent op het fysieke niveau, beïnvloed in dezelfde mate jouw astrale
lichaam.
Het is zeldzaam dat een volledig gezond individu kan worden beinvloed door
een entiteit.
En als dit wel gebeurd, zijn ze gewoonlijk niet meer dan lastig. Net als het
klassieke verhaal
van de vampier kunnen astrale entiteiten jouw terrein niet binnenkomen
zonder dat ze zijn uitgenodigd.
Maar dan rijst het probleem: wie is er op het fysieke niveau helemaal
gezond, en ongevoelig voor verlokkingen?
PARCELSUS OVER ENTITEITEN
Uitreksel van PARACELSUS: ZIJN MYSTIEKE EN MEDISCHE FILOSOFIE door Manly
P. Hall, (c) 1964; The Philosophical Research Society, Inc., 3910 Los Feliz
Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA 90027.
-pagina 166-
Eldonbraun
> Quote uit pagina 164 van de Avatar Wizard Cursus (vertaald door mij):
> (Quote from page 164 from the Avatar Wizard Course (translated by me). Do I
> need say anything MORE?
Well Ron, I can't comment on the translation, since I don't know Dutch.
But it seems to me that you always do a pretty good job bidirectionally
from Dutch -> English or English -> Dutch. Better than the Star's Edge
translators at least. Maybe Alrick will comment. His English and Dutch
are both very good. He writes more coherently and makes fewer spelling
errors in English than Waynus.
<waves to Alrick>
Another consideration might be that if you piss people off, you lose
business in any language or culture. But of course that's too logical.
waynemcmahon
happen, but it's probably your entities chatting, just as your psychic
impressions that EVERYONE is nuts is your own entities.
You're so bilious even a Federal Court found you're motivatd by malice.
In any medeival society you'd have been burned at the stake or tied to
a rack and had the Devil exorcised in an unpleasant fashion, with a huge
sigh of relief from the general community. Modern law, life, and
practice isn't ALL good progress.
Did you see the movie "The Exorcist"? Remember the poor little girl who
screams at the exorcist to "get away from me, m***er ****er!" Entities
can be resistant to giving up even if it means a better life.
Wow! Is that pure Eldon, or what???? "Get away from me, m***er ****er!"
Coax your demons in settling down. Talk a walk, go have some decent fun
without considering hurting anyone, and work on compassion and kindness
for others. Do a good deed. Love someone selflessly.
Let me guess. Your response starts "get away from me....."
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Ronald Cools
"The Paracelsus article by Manly P. Hall is given to you for purposes of
multidimensionalizing this subject. Our approach to entities allows for them
to be either elementals created by the excesses of man or departed spirits
that are still attached to the physical plane. Whatever their origin, it is
wise to treat them with the same care and respect you would extend to any
being".
Well, if Avatar treats entities either as departed ghosts or as possible
human excesses, why the stress on this astral stuff?
Why all these chapters and talks about nasty ghosts living in the astral
plane? Why?
Very confusing...
Eldonbraun
waynemcmahon wrote:
> Eldon, you heard I'm a nutcase "third hand"? Can't say it didn't
> happen, but it's probably your entities chatting, just as your psychic
> impressions that EVERYONE is nuts is your own entities.
>
> You're so bilious even a Federal Court found you're motivatd by malice.
> In any medeival society you'd have been burned at the stake or tied to
> a rack and had the Devil exorcised in an unpleasant fashion, with a huge
> sigh of relief from the general community. Modern law, life, and
> practice isn't ALL good progress.
>
> Did you see the movie "The Exorcist"? Remember the poor little girl who
> screams at the exorcist to "get away from me, m***er ****er!" Entities
> can be resistant to giving up even if it means a better life.
>
> Wow! Is that pure Eldon, or what???? "Get away from me, m***er ****er!"
>
> Coax your demons in settling down. Talk a walk, go have some decent fun
> without considering hurting anyone, and work on compassion and kindness
> for others. Do a good deed. Love someone selflessly.
>
> Let me guess. Your response starts "get away from me....."
Naw, my response starts, "Continue to make a fool of yourself, Waynus."
That's what you do best
waynemcmahon
your future?
If you need food or meds or something, I'll help. I'm not your biggest
fan, but I'm not heartless.
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Eldon
> Eldon, your invectives are a bit weak lately. Are you ill? Considering
> your future?
>
> If you need food or meds or something, I'll help. I'm not your biggest
> fan, but I'm not heartless.
>
was still on the California Secretary of State's "suspended" shit list.
Maybe you should ask Harry for a raise.
HAPPYsamuri
> What a bunch of bullshit Waynus spews to avoid confronting the topic of
> entity exorcism.
>
yes dear reader , one would think with waynes CoS experience he would
be very eloquent in this area but he appears to "bat' the subject aside
what a shame he would be the perfect person to "set us straight"
maybe he is bound by 'spirit" lawyers to protect some s"pirit"
copywrite issue
waynemcmahon
accepted therapies address the subject of entities. Not necessarily
exorcism though. Sometimes it's just setting them (and yourself) free.
If one has any interest in spiritual matters and matters beyond this
present life, one will eventually confront spirits of this plane and
higher planes. EVERY major religious work does so and so do I.
I hope you guys didn't think you get to stay here and throw shit at
others forever. Eventually you'll reap what you've sown.
You guys can plead ignorance of the Golden Rule, fair exchange, Law of
Attraction, and similar. The universe notes your resistance which, by
the way, is your goal, right?.
It will be a very long and unpleasant period of time before any of you
see rebirth. And much longer before you see rebirth in a situation as
good as what you have now.
You'll learn about entities without my instruction, fellas. The
question is whether you handle them or they handle you.
HAPPYtrails.
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Eldon
> Eldonbraun wrote:
> > What a bunch of bullshit Waynus spews to avoid confronting the topic of
> > entity exorcism.
> >
>
>
> yes dear reader , one would think with waynes CoS experience he would
> be very eloquent in this area but he appears to "bat' the subject aside
Harry, like Hubbard before him, tried to keep the exorcism part under
wraps as a sort of "trade secret." Even today, with their upper level
sekrits openly discussed on the Internet and in the media, Scientoloty
spokespeople will use vague generalities and veer off the topic when
asked about it, just as Waynus does with generalities about religions.
But oh, Avatar isn't a religion is it? And oh, psychotherapies that
address personality "parts" or sub-personalities treat them as mental
constructs of the individual or role modeling phenomena -- don't they?
Wizard course graduates have obviously been complicit in this coverup.
They deceived their Avatar students by denying this blatant analog of
Scientology cosmology. Shame on them.
Well kiddos, whether they're called "body thetans" or "synthetic and
astral entities", when you reach the upper level of either Scientology
or Avatar, you're gonna be told you're infested with the little buggers
and need to send them away.
Surprise! There was a belief system waiting to be sprung on you after
all -- and a superstitious, medieval one at that. Now you know what
your $7,500 will buy on the Wizard course, or your few hundred thousand
bucks at the Mother Church. Caveat emptor.
avarat
on the internet can examine his mental viscera...and aptitude. A
psychiatrist would be stroking her metaphorical beard, with a flat
facial expression. A Jesuit priest would be embarrassed at the
vulgarity of it. An atheist would just laugh. A Buddhist would have
compassion (epecially for the family). Ironic, the quote from
Galatians. I think it's time Waynus just went back to his Scientology
roots and abandoned his more recent mad- cult affiliation. Scientology
is weirder, and so it suits him more, therefore. But they are not so
different in the end, I guess. All this entity possession bollocks.
Waynus must be deeply paranoid. Very deeply, much like L. Ron Hubbard
ended up. Would medication work? What about just a good dose of common
sense? or is he beyond it/never 'possessed' any? ha ha....
Eldon
> I am glad Waynus comes in here and turns himself inside out so everyone
> on the internet can examine his mental viscera...and aptitude. A
> psychiatrist would be stroking her metaphorical beard, with a flat
> facial expression. A Jesuit priest would be embarrassed at the
> vulgarity of it. An atheist would just laugh. A Buddhist would have
> compassion (epecially for the family). Ironic, the quote from
> Galatians. I think it's time Waynus just went back to his Scientology
> roots and abandoned his more recent mad- cult affiliation. Scientology
> is weirder, and so it suits him more, therefore. But they are not so
> different in the end, I guess. All this entity possession bollocks.
> Waynus must be deeply paranoid. Very deeply, much like L. Ron Hubbard
> ended up. Would medication work? What about just a good dose of common
> sense? or is he beyond it/never 'possessed' any? ha ha....
Sociopathy (aka psychopathy or narissistic personality disorder) may
manifest in late childhood or pre-adolescence. Bipolar
disorder/cyclothymia/schizoaffective disorder tends to manifest in the
late teens or early twenties.
In Waynus' case, medication might work, but he won't explore the
possibility. Common sense won't work because he denies clear evidence
and reason.
Gut Waynus operates on a limited scale. He's moderately satisfied if he
can dominate his family and get some positive feedback from fools like
Daku and Grace on his little AvatarOverdrive domain.
Hari wants to take over the world (if not this sector of the galaxy), a
la L. Ron Hubbard -- dispensing profound bits of self-proclaimed wisdom
and mystery school confusion via the Star's Edge "network" of a few
hundred ardent devotees in the MLM network.
All these related conditions fall within the same psychiatric cluster.
Birds of a feather sort of thing. Rage is a common indicator. See Wayne
rage. Rage, Wayne, rage!
Thank you so much.
HAPPYsamuri
unfortunately harry doesn't GRACE us with his presence
another reason -- the entity stuff -- why wayne MIGHT LIKELY have an
opinion about scientology
but no
i don't really want to get into this entity model, but a brief
comparison to the astrology model where a given personality TENDENCY
comes from an extraterrestrial ENERGY force encoded into the genetic
blue print
but most people can't apply the scientific model approach to their
religion
entities
do you eat mushrooms
they live inside you as candida albicans can... not to mention the
virus that lives in a mouse and breeds in cat scat
Eldon
HAPPYsamuri wrote:
> unfortunately harry doesn't GRACE us with his presence
Ah, but he has occasionally, posting as Wizard, or Kindly Old Wizard I
think it was... he also uses SE Comm as a pseudonym.
He enjoys complimenting himself in the third person. So did L. Ron
Hubbard.
HAPPYsamuri
> Ah, but he has occasionally, posting as Wizard, or Kindly Old Wizard I
> think it was... he also uses SE Comm as a pseudonym.
>
> He enjoys complimenting himself in the third person. So did L. Ron
> Hubbard.
lord its hard to be humble when your perfect etc etc
it does CREATE a certain WEAKNESS tho
wowowow careful avatar readers don't get SCARED
BOO !
Eldon
And above all, don't get doubtful... see no, hear no, speak no....
Here's a cute variation on the three monkeys theme:
http://ventana.sierraclub.org/conservation/regional/vent_bookstore_closes.shtml
>
>
> BOO !
HAPPYsamuri
>
> And above all, don't get doubtful... see no, hear no, speak no....
>
but they are allowed to doubt you Eldon
but what circuit is being trained
that of the enquiring mind or that of the loyal follower
and who told them to trust harry
oh wait the hug test
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