The Criminal Nature of Circumcision
Michael
All that is needed to understand the nature of circumcision, is to watch a
circumcision being performed and see the baby in question cry its little eyes
out and scream in pain and suffering, perhaps qualifying such babies as being
"anti-circumcision" by nature in the eyes of some people.
Some people are claiming that in a civilization which declares itself in support
of truth, liberty, and justice, people who forcibly impose an operation that
painfully removes a majority of the most sensitive part of a newborn baby's
external sexual organs, are "right." Some of these people claim that all people
have the right to do whatever they choose to do with their own person and
property, as long as they do not harm the person or property of any other
person; while at the same time some of those same people declare that people who
alter the sexual organs of newborn babies are "right" in the eyes of that same
society.
Every human being deserves to be treated in a fair and equitable manner,
afforded all the possibilities available to them in life, and protected from
harmful acts that deny them those possibilities. When harmful acts are
performed, be it arbitrarily or intentionally, a remedy must be pursued.
Furthermore, harmful acts need be researched and identified for their true
nature.
Tolerance of all human beings includes all people to the degree that they do not
perform harmful acts upon other people. Babies are the most innocent and
beautiful of all creatures in the world, and harmful acts performed upon babies
are some of the most terrible that can be contemplated. Thus, it is important
that babies be protected from cultural and traditional acts which may have
become rote, but which are really harmful acts.
In early March of 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics announced that they
had concluded that there is no weight of medical evidence in favor of routine
neonatal male infant circumcision and that babies being circumcised actually DO
feel the pain. Because of this, the AAP claimed, they would no longer recommend
circumcision as a routine neonatal operation, and have now stated that
circumcision should be an "ethical" choice.
Female genital mutilation is now a felony crime in the United States. After over
20 years of debate, lawmakers in California and Washington D.C. have recently
passed laws making the genital mutilation of female humans under the age of 18 a
felony. However, boys are apparently not considered "people" by the courts and
are therefore not entitled to equal protection, and they apparently do not
possess the same worth and dignity as do little girls. Boys and men apparently
do not qualify as "people" according to the American Medical Association either,
and therefore their members are apparently free to ignore the ethical standards
that the AMA uses for girls.
In the United States during the decade of the 90's, 1 million infant boys
annually had circumcision unwillingly perform upon them - more than 3,000 babies
each day - one child approximately every 30 seconds. This surgery used more than
$250 million health care dollars annually as well as untold personnel hours.
Globally, 15-20% of male children were subjected to some form of non-medically
indicated genital mutilation.
Circumcision is extremely painful and traumatic for a baby. In the male version,
the baby is placed spread-eagle on his back on a board and his arms and legs are
strapped down so that he can't move. His genitals are scrubbed and covered with
antiseptic. His foreskin is torn from the glans and slit lengthwise so that the
circumcision instrument can be inserted. Then his foreskin is cut off, usually
without anesthetic.
While this may appear to be an odd thing to do to a baby boy, the ancient
orthodox religious ritual is more bizarre. According to "The Universal Jewish
Encyclopedia"; "The circumcision rite consists of the following: . . .3.
metzitzah, the sucking of the wound, to staunch the blood, by means of the
mouth, as practiced in earlier times, or by means of a suction cylinder or other
modern methods in more recent times."
Believe it or not, the female version of circumcision in some societies is even
more bizarre, removing most or all of the girl's clitoris, and is often
performed with a sharp but dirty instrument only vaguely resembling a knife; the
claim by these people is that a girl who is not mutilated in this manner is
"unclean" in the eyes of society and their future husband. In some other cases,
the mutilation is performed by a newly-betrothed husband of a young girl bride
who is sometimes brutally raped after the bloody mutilation.
The often repeated claim that babies can not feel pain is not true. Babies are
as sensitive to pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their
foreskin or clitoris is cut off. Some defecate, and some lapse into a coma. The
reason why some babies don't cry when they are circumcised is that they can't
cry because they are in a state of shock. Most babies are circumcised without
anesthesia, and anesthetics injected into the external sexual organs don't
always work. Being stuck with a needle in the penis or vagina is itself painful
for a baby, just as if would be for anyone else. Often, no pain medication is
given after the surgery or during the week to ten days it takes the wound to
heal; can you imagine the incredible pain and suffering that is inflicted upon
victims of infant circumcision as part of the first few weeks of their lives in
this world?
The rest of the article "The Truth About Circumcision" can be found at;
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html
Do the research yourself, and begin to learn the truth about circumcision;
Female Genital Mutilation: An Introduction -
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/fgmintro.html
The Female Genital Mutilation Education and Networking Project Page -
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/
Female Genital Mutilation around the World: Population Groups -
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/intro/world.html
FGM and Women's Reproduction Bibliography -
http://www.fgmnetwork.org/reference/biblio.html
Female Genital Mutilation (Female Circumcision) in Africa, the Middle East and
Far East -
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm
American Academy of Pediatrics Won't Recommend Circumcision -
http://www.aap.org/advocacy/archives/marcircum.htm
Doctors Opposing Circumcision -
http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/DOC/
In Memory of the Sexually Mutilated Child -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/
Sue Circumcisers -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/sue.htm
Foreskin/Circumcision/Restoration Websites -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/links.htm
Circumcision Deaths/Disasters Headlines -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/deaths-d.htm
$10,000 Reward! -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/$10000.htm
Serial Circumcisers -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/serial-c.htm
A Short History of Circumcision in the U.S. in Physicians' Own Words -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/shorthis.htm
Foreskins for Sale -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/f4sale.htm
"The Circumcised Male Has Less Penis" -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/less-p.htm
"A Scream We Will Never Forget" -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/pain.htm
Recreational/Erotic/Fetish Circumcision -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/fetish-c.htm
Mohel sucking blood from baby's penis -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/mohel.htm
Howard Stern on Circumcision -
http://www.SexuallyMutilatedChild.org/stern.htm
The Circumcision Fact Sheet -
http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/mgm/facts.html
Mothers Against Circumcision -
http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/
See a Circumcision! -
http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/plastibell.htm
The National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers (NOCIRC)
-
http://www.nocirc.org/
Answers to Your Questions About Infant Circumcision -
http://www.nocirc.org/answers1.html
Circumcising Baby Boys 'Criminal Assault' -
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/national/971017/1263272.html
The Complications of Circumcision -
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/williams-kapila/
Call It What It Is: Child Abuse -
http://www.universalway.org/Foreign/circchildabuse.html
Foreskin.org -
http://www.foreskin.org/
Baby Parts for Sale in Massachusetts -
http://www.massnews.com/foreskin.htm
Web Sites on Circumcision -
http://www.infocirc.org/websites.htm
The rest of the article "The Truth About Circumcision" can be found at;
http://www.universalway.org/circtruth.html
God bless, and good luck.
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Michael
http://www.universalway.org/
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Paul Hagen
"criminal" ion nature, just as "pro-lifers" are entitled to their OPINION
that abortion is murder. While there are others who share your OPINION,
there are also others who do not, and they are every bit as intgelligent,
caring and compassionate as you claim to be. Pretty much by default, we
find ourselves living in a world where infant male circ has been a fact of
life for thousands of years. Like it or not, that's Just The Way It Is.
There are some issues about which civilized people have to "agree to
disagree," and grant each other the space to act on their divergent
beliefs. Abortion is such an issue, and so is infant male circ. If you
don't believe in abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE. If you don't believe in infant
male circ, DON'T HAVE YOUR BOYS CIRC'D. It's really pretty simple.
Cultural norms can (and do) change over time. At one time in the U.S.,
fathers with foreskins were having their boys circ'd. Today, we're seeing
more and more circ'd fathers deciding to have their boys grow up with
foreskins. Tomorrow, maybe the ratio will change to the point that circ'd
boys are a small minority. Maybe the pendulum will eventually swing back
toward circ. Who knows? And who cares?
Thousands of years of history have shown that, circ'd or foreskinned, MOST
males never have any problems related to their circs OR their foreskins.
They also tend to be happy with their status. That's why foreskinned
fathers historically tend to have foreskinned sons, and why circ'd fathers
historically tend to have circ'd sons - if they're happy with the way they
are (and it seems to please their women), it's logical for both circ'd and
foreskinned fathers to conclude that their sons will probably be happy
with being that way too. And, in MOST cases, they are.
If anyone is more interested in INFORMATION than wild-eyed anti-circ
rants, viisit the sites of the American Pediatric Academy and the Canadian
Paediatric Society:
http://www.aap.org/family/circ.htm
http://www.aap.org/policy/re9850.html
http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/FN/fn96-01.htm
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In article <MS%a5.17810$Uq6.3...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>, "Michael"
craig wagner
prh...@bitstream.net (Paul Hagen) wrote:
>There are some issues about which civilized people have to "agree to
>disagree," and grant each other the space to act on their divergent
>beliefs. Abortion is such an issue, and so is infant male circ. If you
>don't believe in abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE. If you don't believe in infant
>male circ, DON'T HAVE YOUR BOYS CIRC'D. It's really pretty simple.
Paul just doesn't see the difference: in the former, one is doing
something to oneself, in the latter, one is doing something to SOMEONE
ELSE, and the parent(s) involved aren't involved in the action.
How about this one: if you don't believe in slavery, DON'T BUY A SLAVE. ?
Doggy Dicks For All
and crosspost all articles to this group as well, so if any of your
anti-circ posts start a discussion in any group, us anti-circers here
will be able to deal with them.
Dr. Coonie Street
> "criminal" ion nature, just as "pro-lifers" are entitled to their
OPINION
> that abortion is murder. While there are others who share your
OPINION,
> there are also others who do not, and they are every bit as
intgelligent,
> caring and compassionate as you claim to be. Pretty much by default,
we
> find ourselves living in a world where infant male circ has been a
fact of
> life for thousands of years.
Wrong Wrong Wrong. Only Jews and some tribes have practiced
circumcision for thousands of years. The Chinese have practiced female
foot binding for thousands of years. The fact that it has a history does
not in anyway justify it in the present.
> There are some issues about which civilized people have to "agree to
> disagree," and grant each other the space to act on their divergent
> beliefs. Abortion is such an issue, and so is infant male circ. If you
> don't believe in abortion, DON'T HAVE ONE. If you don't believe in
infant
> male circ, DON'T HAVE YOUR BOYS CIRC'D. It's really pretty simple.
Would the same be true if I wished my daughter circumcised?
Just don't do it?
> Cultural norms can (and do) change over time. At one time in the U.S.,
> fathers with foreskins were having their boys circ'd. Today, we're
It hardly is a cultural norm unless you are speaking of Jews or
Moslems.
To be a cultural norm everyone would do it and it would need more than a
mere 60 years of being practiced.
Why do you always cite a site from a soft pedeled medical group, which
doesn't tell the truth, but rather bends to the politics of society and
especially its own members, many of whom profit from circumcising
somebody's child.
>
> http://www.aap.org/family/circ.htm
> http://www.aap.org/policy/re9850.html
> http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/FN/fn96-01.htm
>
.
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wantitback99
-- FABULOUS post, Michael!! But the ill effects of circumutilation
extend far beyond the initial trauma and pain. In less than 40 years
of life this gruesome and STUPID invasion of my body left me nearly
completely sexually dysfunctional, due ENTIRELY to the gradual and
steady decline of sensitivity. Restoration is helping. I know that I
cannot EVER regain all that was STOLEN from me, but I'm giving it my
best effort and am 1000% pleased with the results to date.
Glenn
Circumcision = torture & mutilation.
Doggy Dicks For All
>
> -- FABULOUS post, Michael!! But the ill effects of circumutilation
> extend far beyond the initial trauma and pain. In less than 40 years
> of life this gruesome and STUPID invasion of my body left me nearly
> completely sexually dysfunctional, due ENTIRELY to the gradual and
> steady decline of sensitivity. Restoration is helping. I know that I
> cannot EVER regain all that was STOLEN from me, but I'm giving it my
> best effort and am 1000% pleased with the results to date.
> Glenn
> Circumcision = torture & mutilation.
This is what can happen.
Paul Hagen
I-don't-w...@your-e-mail.invalid wrote:
> wantitback99 wrote:
> >
> > -- FABULOUS post, Michael!! But the ill effects of circumutilation
> > extend far beyond the initial trauma and pain. In less than 40 years
> > of life this gruesome and STUPID invasion of my body left me nearly
> > completely sexually dysfunctional, due ENTIRELY to the gradual and
> > steady decline of sensitivity. Restoration is helping. I know that I
> > cannot EVER regain all that was STOLEN from me, but I'm giving it my
> > best effort and am 1000% pleased with the results to date.
> > Glenn
> > Circumcision = torture & mutilation.
>
> This is what can happen.
When a person is as relentlessly focused on being unhappy with his penis
as Glenn appears to be, I'm not surprised that he's become sexually
dysfunctional. I'm glad that restoration is helping for him. In all
fairness, though, there are plenty of sexually dysfunctional guys with
foreskins out there too.
But let's put things in perspective. Whether circ'd or foreskinned, any
guy who's honest will tell you that there are times when his penis is
pretty much a "dead stick." Just can't get it up and/or keep it up. Then,
there are times when these same guys are so turned-on that they can
achieve orgasm almost without touching themselves (or being touched by
their partner). The difference between "dead stick" and "rocket in your
pocket" lies with the BRAIN, not the penis. IMHO, the BRAIN is the most
"sensitive" sex organ of all. If the BRAIN is turned-on, the plumbing just
naturally follows along.
Say, Glenn, have you ever talked with your parents about your anger? After
all, they are the ones who gave the doc permission to "STEAL" your
foreskin. And have you ever figured out why this is such a big deal to
you, but not for tens of MILLIONS of your peers (who are also NOT sexually
dysfunctional)?
Mark
Mark
"Doggy Dicks For All" <I-don't-w...@your-e-mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:396D7D57...@your-e-mail.invalid...
> wantitback99 wrote:
> >
> > -- FABULOUS post, Michael!! But the ill effects of circumutilation
> > extend far beyond the initial trauma and pain. In less than 40 years
> > of life this gruesome and STUPID invasion of my body left me nearly
> > completely sexually dysfunctional, due ENTIRELY to the gradual and
> > steady decline of sensitivity. Restoration is helping. I know that I
> > cannot EVER regain all that was STOLEN from me, but I'm giving it my
> > best effort and am 1000% pleased with the results to date.
> > Glenn
> > Circumcision = torture & mutilation.
>
Chazz
news:prhagen-1307...@port317.bitstream.net...
> In article <396D7D57...@your-e-mail.invalid>,
> I-don't-w...@your-e-mail.invalid wrote:
>
> > wantitback99 wrote:
> > >
> > > extend far beyond the initial trauma and pain. In less than 40 years
> > > of life this gruesome and STUPID invasion of my body left me nearly
> > > completely sexually dysfunctional, due ENTIRELY to the gradual and
> > > steady decline of sensitivity. Restoration is helping. I know that I
> > > cannot EVER regain all that was STOLEN from me, but I'm giving it my
> > > best effort and am 1000% pleased with the results to date.
> > > Glenn
> > > Circumcision = torture & mutilation.
> >
>
> as Glenn appears to be, I'm not surprised that he's become sexually
> dysfunctional. I'm glad that restoration is helping for him. In all
> fairness, though, there are plenty of sexually dysfunctional guys with
> foreskins out there too.
There are lots of people, men AND women, out there who get breast cancer, a
lot moreso than penile cancer. There's no real use for mammary tissue in
males, and in the US society's been force-fed the whole formula kick for
long enough that many mothers don't even THINK about breast feeding, so why
not give out mastectomies at birth?
> But let's put things in perspective. Whether circ'd or foreskinned, any
> guy who's honest will tell you that there are times when his penis is
> pretty much a "dead stick." Just can't get it up and/or keep it up. Then,
> there are times when these same guys are so turned-on that they can
> achieve orgasm almost without touching themselves (or being touched by
> their partner). The difference between "dead stick" and "rocket in your
> pocket" lies with the BRAIN, not the penis. IMHO, the BRAIN is the most
> "sensitive" sex organ of all. If the BRAIN is turned-on, the plumbing just
> naturally follows along.
That's all well and good unless the penis is damaged in such a way that
leads to impotency, which is a potential complication caused by circ at ANY
age. Simply saying "it's all in your head" doesn't make it so, that's like
when someone accidentally gets a cut on their wrist and then spends the next
few months getting psychologists shoved down their throat "because they're
in denial over their suicidal tendancies."
> Say, Glenn, have you ever talked with your parents about your anger? After
> all, they are the ones who gave the doc permission to "STEAL" your
> foreskin. And have you ever figured out why this is such a big deal to
> you, but not for tens of MILLIONS of your peers (who are also NOT sexually
> dysfunctional)?
The fact that others don't voice their discontent does not make it right. It
COULD be that they don't even realize the full extent of what was done. It
COULD be that they've simply been brainwashed into thinking "only perverts
talk about things like that." It COULD be that lots of them ARE speaking out
about their discontent and that you just can't hear or aren't listening.
MILLIONS of Africans were sold into slavery, but they didn't speak out about
it for the most part, it took the work of a few to start an abolitionist
movement. It also took a greedy government that realized the populace was
against the civil war it had started needing a new catch line ("FREE THE
SLAVES!") to get the last major governmental recognition of slavery
abolished. Hopefully it won't be due to the greed of a few, but the care of
many that stops the routine performance of a completely unnecessary surgery
on infants that I and others feel is wrong.
--
Chazz
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