Daily Bible Contradiction
Aaron K. Johnson
"The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11) "For his mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34) "The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9) "God is love." (1 John 4:16)
A Mighty Fortress
"Aaron K. Johnson" <akjm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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God *IS* Love. He also isn't a sucker. On a simpler plain, did your parents
love you? If so, did they ever punish you? There is no contradiction, here.
A Mighty Fortress
"Opie Taylor" <OpieT...@MayberryRFD.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 05:30:51 GMT, "A Mighty Fortress"
> <bhof...@nospam.hotmail,com> wrote:
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> ~
> ~"Aaron K. Johnson" <akjm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ~> CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and
> GOOD:
> ~"I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (Jer. 13:14)
> "Now
> ~go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare
> them
> ~not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
> ~>
> ~> "The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (James 5:11) "For his
> ~mercy endureth forever." (1 Chron. 16:34) "The Lord is good to all, and
> his
> ~tender mercies are over all his works." (Ps. 145:9) "God is love." (1
> John
> ~4:16)
> ~
> ~God *IS* Love. He also isn't a sucker. On a simpler plain, did your
> parents
> ~love you? If so, did they ever punish you? There is no contradiction,
> here.
> ~
> Capital punishment? Is that what you're trying to condone?
Wow! I made a reference to PARENTS. Sounds like your were pretty strict if
you relat that with CAPITAL punishment.
> _______________________________
> People who want to share their religious
> views with you almost never want you
> to share yours with them.
Weatherwax
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> "Opie Taylor" <OpieT...@MayberryRFD.com> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 05:30:51 GMT, "A Mighty Fortress"
> > <bhof...@nospam.hotmail,com> wrote:
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> > >
> > > "Aaron K. Johnson" <akjm...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > >> CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE,
> > >> and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and
> > >> GOOD:
> > > and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare
> > > suckling."
> > >>
> > >> "The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy."
> > >> (1 Chron. 16:34) "The Lord is good to all, and
> > >> (Ps. 145:9) "God is love." (1 John 4:16)
> > >
> > > God *IS* Love. He also isn't a sucker. On a simpler
> > > punish you? There is no contradiction, here.
> > >
>
> Wow! I made a reference to PARENTS. Sounds like your
> were pretty strict if you relat that with CAPITAL punishment.
Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father and mother he must be put
to death. He has cursed his father and mother; his
blood guilt is on himself.
Deuteronomy 21
21:18 If a person has a stubborn, rebellious son who
pays no attention to his father or mother, and they
discipline him to no avail, 21:19 his father and mother
must seize him and bring him to the elders at the gate
of his city. 21:20 They must declare to the elders of
his city, "Our son is stubborn and rebellious and pays
no heed to what we say-he is a glutton and
drunkard." 21:21 Then all the men of his city must
stone him to death. Thus you will purge out
wickedness from among you, and all Israel will hear
about it and fear.
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Wax
A Mighty Fortress
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Are you Jewish? Christians believe Jesus fulfilled the law you speak of by
dying on the cross.
Not to say the law is null and void, but your salvation cannot be attained
by it.
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> --
> Wax
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Aaron K. Johnson
ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, ac- cording to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came togeth- er, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Weatherwax
"A Mighty Fortress" <bhof...@nospam.hotmail,com> wrote in
You do believe that Jews and Christians worship the same god
don't you?
You do believe that those laws were given by the same loving and
merciful god which you worship don't you?
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Wax
Weatherwax
"Mystical Body of Christ"
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< CLIP >
> Is this a private fight or can anyone join in? :)
>
> The underlying fact is this -- the Old Testmament God with
> the absurd rules and justice -- death to disobedient children,
> genocide and countless other atrocities -- is simply a concept
> heaped on and projected by a warrior tribe upon their God
> to justify cruel and violent acts. Jesus is not associated
with
> such an image, in spite of the apocalyptic writers and formers
> such as Paul and Matthew who tried to place him in
> that setting.
>
> You might read Jesus Against Christianity: Reclaiming the
> Missing Jesus by Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer for a start, as well
> as The River of God by Gregory Riley to get some sense of
> the historical and theological issues.
>
> The author of the "Daily Bible Contradiction" will have none
> of this, and frequent postings that act for some sort of dialog
> simply don't get answered. As a result he/she shows
> absolutely no knowledge of the background and setting he
> criticizes.
>
> And, no, Jesus did not die on the cross to fulfill a law --
> except in the mind of apologists and those working to
> meld an accurate image of Jesus. I'm sure that Jesus himself
> would have no truck with that idea as well as the ongoing
> attempts to retain the bloodthirsty and sociopathic
> personality of God as created through the OT.
Your disagreement is not with Aaron or with me when it comes to
biblical contradictions.. You already recognize that there are
numerous such contradictions. Your disagreement with us, and
with most Christians comes in describing the historical Jesus.
It appears that we do disagree on just who this historical Jesus
was. The Old Testament prophecies called for a messiah who would
throw off foreign rule and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That
is what Jesus attempted fulfill. That is the historical Jesus
which has been ignored.
You have recommended a set of books. Neither of us have the time
to read all the books recommended to us, and argumentum ad
verecundiam is unreliable. So let's hear your arguments if you
have any.
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Wax
Mystical Body of Christ
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> "Mystical Body of Christ"
> <themystical...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>>>
> Your disagreement is not with Aaron or with me when it comes to
> biblical contradictions.. You already recognize that there are
> numerous such contradictions. Your disagreement with us, and
> with most Christians comes in describing the historical Jesus.
Ya think?
>
> It appears that we do disagree on just who this historical Jesus
> was. The Old Testament prophecies called for a messiah who would
> throw off foreign rule and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That
> is what Jesus attempted fulfill. That is the historical Jesus
> which has been ignored.
>
And I suggest, as do many others, that the historical Jesus did NOT see
himself fulfilling this role. Indeed, the "Messiah" as predicted did not
fit the scenario of being killed. End of point. Jesus, perhaps, came closer
to the image of the "Suffering Servant" but, again, there is no legitimage
proof amongst scholars and those who have studied the subject that Jesus
claimed any special status at all.
> You have recommended a set of books. Neither of us have the time
> to read all the books recommended to us, and argumentum ad
> verecundiam is unreliable. So let's hear your arguments if you
> have any.
>
> --
> Wax
I can understand your reluctance to read anything that contradicts the
neat, tidy, but ultimately erroneous package you hold. I'm certainly not
going to go further in offering insight and resources when you've already
shown you have no interest in a dialog on the subject.
Weatherwax
"Mystical Body of Christ"
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I didn't say that Jesus saw himself as being killed. In fact, he
didn't see himself that way at all.
> > You have recommended a set of books. Neither of us
> > have the time to read all the books recommended to us,
> > and argumentum ad verecundiam is unreliable. So let's
> > hear your arguments if you have any.
> >
> > --
> > Wax
>
> I can understand your reluctance to read anything that
> contradicts the neat, tidy, but ultimately erroneous
> package you hold. I'm certainly not going to go further
> in offering insight and resources when you've already
> shown you have no interest in a dialog on the subject.
That is an odd comment. You made it without knowing what my
viewpoints are. I was the one who asked you for your views, but
you say that I am not interested in a dialog on the subject.
Makes me wonder why you even bother posting anything.
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Wax
A Mighty Fortress
Yes, but I believe the Jews still look to those laws for salvation because
they deny Christ.
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> Wax
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A Mighty Fortress
I must admit, that was odd.
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> Wax
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Weatherwax
"Mystical Body of Christ"
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> "A Mighty Fortress" <bhof...@nospam.hotmail,com>
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> >> <themystical...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote
> >> > > "Mystical Body of Christ"
> >> > > <themystical...@yahooNOSPAM.com>
> >> > > wrote
> himself not as being killed but rather as the fulfillment of
the
> OT Messiah, I simply disagree. There is, as I said before,
> no argreement that Jesus saw himself in that way at all,
> although Pauline Christianity would have that be the case.
There much disagreement on how Jesus saw himself. A good
argument can be made that Jesus did see himself as fulfilling the
messianic prophecy, and that he did not see his future as being
executed.
Basically the OT Messiah was going to rid the country of foreign
rulers and restore the dynasty of David.
It is hard to imagine that the Romans would have arrested and
executed Jesus for claiming to be "King of the Jews" (a
treasonable act) unless he at some time openly made that claim,
which in effect would be claiming to be a messiah.
The entry of Jesus into Jerusalem seated upon an ass was not only
a fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9, but it was deliberately planned.
Kings have been known to ride on asses, and King Solomon himself
rode to his coronation on an ass (1 Kings 1:33, 38.) In effect,
this was a public declaration by Jesus that he was the messiah.
There are too many parallels between the book of Zechariah and th
e life and teachings of Jesus to think that Jesus was not trying
to fulfill it. For example Jesus spoke of himself as a shepherd
which reflects Zechariah 11. Jesus' cleansing of the temple is
from Zechariah 14:21, and his promise to rebuild the Temple was
meant literally and taken from Zechariah 6:13.
Unlike the Zealots, who advocated a military uprising against the
Romans, Jesus spoke of a "day of the Lord." This day of the LORD
is described in Zechariah 13-14. An interesting point of this
"day of the LORD" is that it takes place on the Mount of Olives:
Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives
which lies to the east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of
Olives will be split in half from east to west, leaving a
great valley. Half the mountain will move northward
and the other half southward.
It was to the Mount of Olives that Jesus led the disciples after
he told his followers to sell their cloaks for swords (Luke
22:36, 39.)
Can you see it? That is the day that Jesus believed God would
stand upon the Mount of Olives and do battle against the nations.
That is what he was praying for. But it never came to be. Jesus
surrendered to the authorities and was crucified.
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Wax
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