" LET MY PEOPLE GO "
pŸalmsmith {spirit}
This current season is now become a time of trial unto all those who
would keep us in bondage. Like Israel and Pharoah and Moses before us,
we cry out against those who oppress us by way of hostility, with the
Word of God saying, 'let My people go.'
Truly we are greatly blessed of God for our suffering the derision of
those who despise to see the work of God in Christ being accomplished,
for in so enduring, we share in the suffering of Christ, and by sharing
in the suffering of Christ, then we shall also share in His glory.
[Romans 8:17] And if children, then heirs; heirs
of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we
suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
[18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present
time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which
shall be revealed in us.
Therefore, we reckon it to be a great honor before the Lord our God to
be granted to share in His sufferings, for in so doing we know that we
have been found worthy to share in His glory.
So I encourage us, one and all, to confront hatred with love, to bless
those who revile us, and to humbly suffer the wrath of them who
persecute us. For this is the expression of Christ who bought us, and
in delivering this same expression, we will glorify Him before all the
world.
[1Corinthians 4:12] And labour, working with our
own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we
suffer it: [13] Being defamed, we intreat: we are made
as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of
all things unto this day.
Now we know, and have seen with our own eyes here in these newsgroups,
how it can appear that those who use violence to seize the Kingdom away
from those who they feel are unworthy are everywhere, and at times for a
short season even appear successful in their efforts. Let us not be
fearful or afraid of those violent men, for Christ our Lord has warned
us that they would come, and that the violent would try to take over the
Kingdom of heaven by force.
[Matthew 11:12] And from the days of John the
Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth
violence, and the violent take it by force.
But we know also that by closing off the Kingdom of heaven from those
who they feel are not worthy of it, they also shut it off from
themselves, and so they merit not our ire, but our pity for the death
which they deal unto their own souls.
[Matthew 23:13] But woe unto you, scribes and
Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of
heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
And if we do suffer the persecution of hostility and slander at the
hands of these violent men, who seek to seize the Kingdom away from
those whom they despise, we know that it was Christ our Lord who first
and foremost suffered these things, and He also who first and foremost
entered into the greatest glory.
[Luke 17:25] But first must he suffer many things,
and be rejected of this generation.
[Luke 24:26] Ought not Christ to have suffered
these things, and to enter into his glory?
But it is not Christ alone who has cause to rejoice because He suffered
shame at the hands of those violent men. Indeed it was, and is also
those people who are called by His name, His own disciples who have
cause, great cause to rejoice at being counted worthy to suffer shame
for His name.
[Acts 5:41] And they departed from the presence
of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to
suffer shame for his name.
And so I remain confident for the sake of every one of my bretheren,
knowing that even as much as we may suffer for the name of Christ our
Lord, that to the same degree we ourselves will take part in that grand
consolation that is to come upon the whole of the Body, and eventually
the whole of the earth.
[2Corinthians 1:5] For as the sufferings of Christ
abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
[6] And whether we be afflicted, it is for your
consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the
enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or
whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and
salvation. [7] And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing,
that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be
also of the consolation.
So we remain confident and steadfast, upholding the honor and the glory
of the Lord our God by speaking the good news of the Gospel of salvation
in the love and kindness of Christ who bought us. In so doing, we shall
be led of the Holy Spirit of God to strive together in one spirit and in
one mind, together for the faith of the Gospel.
There is nothing which our enemies can do to harm us, for by doing
violence against us they indeed bless us by our sharing in the suffering
of Christ, and by their doing nothing against us, we are given place to
work.
[Philippians 1:27] Only let your conversation be as
it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and
see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs,
that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving
together for the faith of the gospel; [28] And in nothing
terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident
token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of
God. [29] For unto you it is given in the behalf of
Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for
his sake; [30] Having the same conflict which ye saw in
me, and now hear to be in me.
And so for the sake of the work which we have been called upon to work
for the Lord our God, and for the fullness of righteousness which must
come upon both us and the enemies of the Gospel of salvation, I turn
full face to those who would supress with hostility and who would put
down our message with libel and slander, to them I speak with the Word
of God, saying, "let my people go, that we may worship the Lord our God,
and to glorify Him in this place."
Shalom!
Glen
--
kol l'kabawd Yehavah Adonai, ub'shem Yeshua;
Glen Bradley, ( the psalmsmith in the valley of peace )
www'glen-bradley'net
Mark Bassett
"pYalmsmith {spirit}" <r...@SglenP-AbradleyM.net> wrote in message
news:rav-6E0E02.1...@news1.meganetnews.com...
Come on.... someone commenting negatively on some of you doctrine isn't
persecution. Here you have a man who believes the Bible and wants to see the
will of God accomplished point out some problems in your doctrine, and you
cry like someone put you in prison or something. Does the word "reality"
still ring any bells, are we totally virtualized, Glen?
> [Matthew 11:12] And from the days of John the
> Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth
> violence, and the violent take it by force.
>
> But we know also that by closing off the Kingdom of heaven from those
> who they feel are not worthy of it, they also shut it off from
> themselves, and so they merit not our ire, but our pity for the death
> which they deal unto their own souls.
Thinly cloaked backhand :-) classy!
> [Matthew 23:13] But woe unto you, scribes and
> Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of
> heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
> neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
>
> And if we do suffer the persecution of hostility and slander at the
> hands of these violent men, who seek to seize the Kingdom away from
> those whom they despise, we know that it was Christ our Lord who first
> and foremost suffered these things, and He also who first and foremost
> entered into the greatest glory.
If you say "violent men" again, you know, its a little too much.
>
> [Luke 17:25] But first must he suffer many things,
> and be rejected of this generation.
>
> [Luke 24:26] Ought not Christ to have suffered
> these things, and to enter into his glory?
>
> But it is not Christ alone who has cause to rejoice because He suffered
> shame at the hands of those violent men.
There it is.
Poor Glen got some reproach. Everyone knows that when great spiritual
leaders are reproached, it is a major problem for them, and it produces
billowing "scripture-like" prose that translates to "plug, plug, patch,
patch ... boys, lets make sure all the air doesn't come out of our float
before the parade is over"
> Indeed it was, and is also
> those people who are called by His name, His own disciples who have
> cause, great cause to rejoice at being counted worthy to suffer shame
> for His name.
>
> [Acts 5:41] And they departed from the presence
> of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to
> suffer shame for his name.
>
> And so I remain confident for the sake of every one of my bretheren,
> knowing that even as much as we may suffer for the name of Christ our
> Lord, that to the same degree we ourselves will take part in that grand
> consolation that is to come upon the whole of the Body, and eventually
> the whole of the earth.
Glen, you are the only one "suffering". Everyone else knows that
conversation and discussion is normal, and that religious wanna-bes are
often confronted with issues concerning their program.
> [2Corinthians 1:5] For as the sufferings of Christ
> abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
> [6] And whether we be afflicted, it is for your
> consolation and salvation, which is effectual in the
> enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer: or
> whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and
> salvation. [7] And our hope of you is stedfast, knowing,
> that as ye are partakers of the sufferings, so shall ye be
> also of the consolation.
>
> So we remain confident and steadfast, upholding the honor and the glory
> of the Lord our God by speaking the good news of the Gospel of salvation
> in the love and kindness of Christ who bought us. In so doing, we shall
> be led of the Holy Spirit of God to strive together in one spirit and in
> one mind, together for the faith of the Gospel.
>
> There is nothing which our enemies can do to harm us, for by doing
> violence against us they indeed bless us by our sharing in the suffering
> of Christ, and by their doing nothing against us, we are given place to
> work.
Wow.. you really caught it bad, didn't you?
> [Philippians 1:27] Only let your conversation be as
> it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and
> see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs,
> that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving
> together for the faith of the gospel; [28] And in nothing
> terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident
> token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of
> God. [29] For unto you it is given in the behalf of
> Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for
> his sake; [30] Having the same conflict which ye saw in
> me, and now hear to be in me.
>
> And so for the sake of the work which we have been called upon to work
> for the Lord our God, and for the fullness of righteousness which must
> come upon both us and the enemies of the Gospel of salvation, I turn
> full face to those who would supress with hostility and who would put
> down our message with libel and slander, to them I speak with the Word
> of God, saying, "let my people go, that we may worship the Lord our God,
> and to glorify Him in this place."
ROTFL! Theres the words "libel" again. Glen, sue me or drop the word libel,
its a LEGAL word and has little or nothing to do with the religious act.
Keep it up and Im going to give you a little lesson in what libel is really
all about, and I can assure you, you do not want to have to walk in my
shoes.
PharLap
Pastor Steve Winter
>To all my fellow bond-servants in Christ the Lord,
>
>This current season is now become a time of trial unto all those who
>would keep us in bondage. Like Israel and Pharoah and Moses before us,
>we cry out against those who oppress us by way of hostility, with the
>Word of God saying, 'let My people go.'
Yes, it is the season for fruitcake!
Glen Bradley is a "Catholic lite"™ false christian scum who has
simply gone off the deep end.
He is now the "prophet of fruitcake and silly ASCII"
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
Glen Bradley
^ What on earth are you talking about????
the fact that '...by their fruits you shall know them' (Mat 7:20)
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Shalom!
Glen
--
Semper Vigilans, Semper Fidelis, Semper Paratus, Semper Christos.
(remove from after the @: 's p.a m' to unmunge e-mail address)
WARNING - all UCE spam to this mailbox generates abuse complaints.
Glen Bradley
your teeth? The Lord God sent me into the house of violent men to say
"let my people go," but those men have hardened their hearts and have
rejoiced over the opportunity for further bloodshed. As you have sown
violence amongst the Body of Christ, so then also shall your own
ministry become overrun with violence, and the idol you worship will be
turned over against you to crush you where you stand. Then you will
know that it is the Lord which has sent me.
"Mark Bassett" <mba...@optonline.net> wrote:
^ In this eposide Glen hi-jacks more scripture for a pity-party.
^ Come on.... someone commenting negatively on some of you doctrine isn't
^ persecution. Here you have a man who believes the Bible and wants to see the
^ will of God accomplished point out some problems in your doctrine, and you
^ cry like someone put you in prison or something. Does the word "reality"
^ still ring any bells, are we totally virtualized, Glen?
^ Thinly cloaked backhand :-) classy!
^ If you say "violent men" again, you know, its a little too much.
^ There it is.
^
^ Poor Glen got some reproach. Everyone knows that when great spiritual
^ leaders are reproached, it is a major problem for them, and it produces
^ billowing "scripture-like" prose that translates to "plug, plug, patch,
^ patch ... boys, lets make sure all the air doesn't come out of our float
^ before the parade is over"
^ Glen, you are the only one "suffering". Everyone else knows that
^ conversation and discussion is normal, and that religious wanna-bes are
^ often confronted with issues concerning their program.
^ Wow.. you really caught it bad, didn't you?
^ ROTFL! Theres the words "libel" again. Glen, sue me or drop the word libel,
^ its a LEGAL word and has little or nothing to do with the religious act.
^
^ Keep it up and Im going to give you a little lesson in what libel is really
^ all about, and I can assure you, you do not want to have to walk in my
^ shoes.
Rod
at all ! Huh ! Isaiah 7:14....R-E-A-D I-T W-I-N-T-E-R
then let us see you lie your way out of that one.
Rod.
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
Mark Bassett
"Rod" <eag...@grapevine.net> wrote in message
news:3C3A3A13...@grapevine.net...
> Actually, it's you that is the fruitcake for believing that Jesus is a god
> at all ! Huh ! Isaiah 7:14....R-E-A-D I-T W-I-N-T-E-R
> then let us see you lie your way out of that one.
>
> Rod.
Rod, I wasn't aware that you denied the deity of Jesus Christ also.
> Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
>
> > pYalmsmith {spirit} <r...@SglenP-AbradleyM.net> spake thusly and wrote:
> >
> > >To all my fellow bond-servants in Christ the Lord,
> > >
> > >This current season is now become a time of trial unto all those who
> > >would keep us in bondage. Like Israel and Pharoah and Moses before us,
> > >we cry out against those who oppress us by way of hostility, with the
> > >Word of God saying, 'let My people go.'
> >
> > Yes, it is the season for fruitcake!
> >
> > Glen Bradley is a "Catholic lite"T false christian scum who has
PharLap
Bradley <glenb...@sncp.arrm.com> wrote:
> Ne...@Horserace.com (PharLap) wrote:
>
> ^ What on earth are you talking about????
>
> the fact that '...by their fruits you shall know them' (Mat 7:20)
>
>
> Shalom!
> Glen
Thanks for the enlightenment - it gets a bit confusing around here some days
>
Mark Bassett
"<--->" <doc...@eudoramail.com> wrote in message
news:2kmk3uck9uilvec5t...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:50:38 GMT, "Mark Bassett"
> <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Rod" <eag...@grapevine.net> wrote in message
> >news:3C3A3A13...@grapevine.net...
> >> Actually, it's you that is the fruitcake for believing that Jesus is a
god
> >> at all ! Huh ! Isaiah 7:14....R-E-A-D I-T W-I-N-T-E-R
> >> then let us see you lie your way out of that one.
> >>
> >> Rod.
> >
> >Rod, I wasn't aware that you denied the deity of Jesus Christ also.
> >
>
> Rod???
Curious.
> Doc
> _____________________________________________________
> SMILE ! Only a DENTIST should look down in the mouth!
> _____________________________________________________
Rod
Mark Bassett wrote:
> "Rod" <eag...@grapevine.net> wrote in message
> news:3C3A3A13...@grapevine.net...
> > Actually, it's you that is the fruitcake for believing that Jesus is a god
> > at all ! Huh ! Isaiah 7:14....R-E-A-D I-T W-I-N-T-E-R
> > then let us see you lie your way out of that one.
> >
> > Rod.
>
> Rod, I wasn't aware that you denied the deity of Jesus Christ also.
>
I don't, I was being sarcastic to winter. He claims to be christian but his
actions
continually drag Christs name thru ther mud as though He were a common pagan
god, instead of being GOD. I was trying to provoke him to, and if their is a
scripture
in the old testament that will do it, it's Isaiah 7:14. The way it has been
explained to me, Immanuel is a title, not a name, much in the same context as
"President" Bush,
except far from being that common, as it means God with us. This is the only
explanation that makes any kind of sense in favor of Christ being the saviour,
as most
others I've heard do not hold water.
Rod
What is your opinion of Isaiah 7:14 ? I'm not the only one to ask this
question,
and I understand fully the implications in answering. But I have to say
honestly
that I DO NOT consider the King James version of the new testament as inspired
by God. Their are far to many mistakes in it, and GOD doesn't make mistakes.
Rod.
Mark Bassett
I'm not totally sure I follow you. You sent another post; Lets look at it.
Rod
What I said to winter has no reflection on what i'm saying here, with the
exception that
winter claims to be christian and follows Christ, but his actions reflect the
mind of
one that believes he can say and do anything he wants to without fear of his
God,
respecting Him with all the concern he'd show to a minor, do nothing god.
I was refering also in the post to posts by Eliyahu, quoting Isaiah 7:14 as
proof
that Christ is not the saviour. I have to state that this gained my full
attention after
reading oit for myself, and I wanted your opinion on the verse and it's native
context,
as it is difficult to reconcile the name of Immanuel with Jesus, the word of GOD
being infallible.
Rod.
Mark Bassett
> Mark:
>
> What is your opinion of Isaiah 7:14 ? I'm not the only one to ask this
> question,
> and I understand fully the implications in answering. But I have to say
> honestly
> that I DO NOT consider the King James version of the new testament as
inspired
> by God. Their are far to many mistakes in it, and GOD doesn't make
mistakes.
>
> Rod.
There are two completely different issues here.
First, it seems that Isa 7:14, and it's relation the message of the angel in
Matt 1:23, and Luke 1:34-35 seems to be causing concerns.
This is a big subject, but I would be brief by asking where the exact
concerns are. It is not reasonable to take Isa 7:14 apart from Isa 8:8 and
9:6, and John 1:1, and 14.
While Isaiah says that the virgin shall call his name El-Immanuel, and
Matthew says that "they" shall call His name ...", consider that the
pre-Christian Septuigint has "they" also, for what it's worth.
Is Emmanuel a proper name? No, it is a fitting description and revelation of
who and what He would be like " 'shem YHWH' is a strong tower" (Prov
18:10). Of course the redemptive proper name is also mentioned, as it is
twice in Deut 6:4, but the meaning of 'shem' (name) here is 'reputation' or
'impact'. Like Isa 9:6, the Messiah will be known as the one who is
'El-gibbor' (Mighty God), not unlike El-Shaddai (Almighty God) of Ex 6:3.
John 1:1 describes the Word as God Himself, and vs. 14 declares that the
same "was made flesh and dwelt among us".
Actually, Immanuel translates "with us God". In the original, the "misplaced
preposition" doesnt get between US and HIM. (humor and truth there, friend).
The original is El-Immanuel, which could be God, the God that is with us.
What do you think?
Second, the matter of whether an inspired vessel can have "mistakes" at some
level.
I think the simple answer is yes. I certainly think the scripture text can
have some linguistic flaws, and translation irregularities, and still be
perfect and inerrant as a vessel of delivery of the mind of God.
It may not seem to be related, but I think it is... consider a painting by
an artist such as Chagal, or Piccaso, or maybe someone even more abstract.
Of course, some people feel that abstract art is a bunch of bunk, but lets
say for a moment it is not. Do you think that every muscular movement, and
every intonation of paint in that happens to come into play at the very
moment in time that the artist makes his expression must be perfect, for the
mind of the artist to be expressed?
I personally feel that God's expression is beyond the capacity of mortal
tongues to express, but I also believe that God can use a very imperfect
vehicle to express Himself perfectly. That does not mean that the language
is going to be the best "kings english", but rather that the combined
laguage and inspiration ultmately says what mere talent could not.
Did you ever read the old poem, "The Master's Hand"?
The Holy Ghost annointed vessel is like that old violin. When in the
Master's hand, it is perfect. This does not mean that his voice is perfect,
his mind is perfect, or that he is better that another. It means that the
touch and intent of the Lord God when dealing through human flesh can do
what flesh itself cannot.
Likewise, the words of the translation may be trivialy flawed, but the
message that God's deposited in the hearts of the Apostle's can be
*perfectly* imparted to the seeker, whether he himself is talented, or not.
I hope you enjoy this. http://www.christianpromotions.com/touched.html
The Touch of the Master's Hand
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Twas battered and scarred, and the old auctioneer
thought it scarely worth his while
to waste much time on the old violin,
But held it up with a smile;
"What am I bidden, good folks," he cried,
"Whho'll startthe bidding for me?"
"A dollar, a dollar", then, "Two!" "Only two?"
Two dollar, and who'll make it three?
Three dollars, once; three dollars, twice;
going for three...." but not,
From the room far back, a gray-haired man
Came forward and picked up the bow;
Then, wiping the dust from the old violin,
And tightening the loose strings,
He played a melody pure and sweet
As a caroling angel sings.
The music ceased, and the auctioneer,
With a voice that was quiet and low,
Said, "What am I bidden for the old violin?"
And he held it up with the bow.
"A thousand! And who'll make it two?
Two thousand! And who'll make it three?
Three thousand, once, three thousand, twice,
And going, and gone," said he,
The people cheered, but some of them cried,
"We do not quite understand
What changed it's worth." Swift came the reply
"The touch of the master's hand."
and many a man with life out of tune,
And battered and scared with sun,
Is auctioned cheap to the thoughless crowd,
Much like this old violin.
A "mess of pottage," a glass of wine;
A game; and he travels on.
He is "going" once, "going" twice,
He's "going" and almost "gone,"
but the Master comes, and the foolish crowd
Never can quite understand
The worth of a soul and the change that's wrought
By the touch of the Master's hand.
by Myra Brooks Welch
Mark Bassett
> I have read Eliyahu's posts on the J.C., and spoken by email with him as
well.
> What I said to winter has no reflection on what i'm saying here, with the
> exception that
> winter claims to be christian and follows Christ, but his actions reflect
the
> mind of
> one that believes he can say and do anything he wants to without fear of
his
> God,
> respecting Him with all the concern he'd show to a minor, do nothing god.
>
> I was refering also in the post to posts by Eliyahu, quoting Isaiah 7:14
as
> proof
> that Christ is not the saviour. I have to state that this gained my full
> attention after
> reading oit for myself, and I wanted your opinion on the verse and it's
native
> context,
> as it is difficult to reconcile the name of Immanuel with Jesus, the word
of GOD
>
> being infallible.
>
> Rod.
I'll read and respond to the posts you refer to. At this time, I have not
read them.