Ro 2:1 -Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
whosoever thou art that judgest:
for wherein thou judgest another,
thou condemnest thyself;
for thou that judgest doest the same things.
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST), jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 7:27 pm, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> >> James 3:16
> > Ro 2:1 -Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
> > whosoever thou art that judgest:
> > for wherein thou judgest another,
> > thou condemnest thyself;
> > for thou that judgest doest the same things.
> Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory
> not, and lie not against the truth.
> Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual,
> devilish.
> Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
> evil work.
> Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable,
> gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without
> partiality, and without hypocrisy.
> Gal_6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are
> spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering
> thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV
So what are you going to do with Vince? And why were you silent when he spoke?
It is an exercise ... lashon and hara.
For the one who accused ...
For the one who repeated ...
For the one accused ...
And for those who stood on the side lines ...
Learn. These are not the only verse in the NT but it does not answer the
moral and ethical questions. This is a "real life experience" and not book
learning.
-- Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions. When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST), jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 7:27 pm, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> > >> James 3:16
> > > Ro 2:1 -Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
> > > whosoever thou art that judgest:
> > > for wherein thou judgest another,
> > > thou condemnest thyself;
> > > for thou that judgest doest the same things.
> > Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory
> > not, and lie not against the truth.
> > Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual,
> > devilish.
> > Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
> > evil work.
> > Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable,
> > gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without
> > partiality, and without hypocrisy.
> > Gal_6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are
> > spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering
> > thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
> > --
> > Peter
> > A living Stone
> > A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> > Joh 13:34-35 KJV
> So what are you going to do with Vince?
> And why were you silent when he spoke?
MC on how God sends homosexual desires as a spirit of faith...
> PS But you know by what I have said in the past too Dolf, that if it
> is *God's will* in a man's heart for a man to lie with a man then let > no man dispute it. It is the same Spirit of faith that asked Abraham
> to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all things are
> possible."
Let no man judge whether God lays on homosexual temptation between two
men, or judge the two men angaging in the act, because it can be a
"SPIRIT OF FAITH"??!
What kind of sick mind even thinks that way?
MY Bible TELLS me to judge!
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
--John 7:24
PROVE ALL THINGS; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
--1 Thess 5:21-22
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst
not bear them which are evil: and thou hast TRIED THEM which say they
are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
--Rev. 2:2
And how do we judge righteous judgment? And how do we know when What
Michael Christ teaches is of God or Satan, or whether Michael himself is
of God or Satan?
By checking what he teaches against what the BIBLE says.
And the BIBLE says...
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot
be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
--James 1:13
But "sinless" Michael Christ says: "It is the same Spirit of faith that
asked Abraham to KILL his son, let no man judge another for with God all
things are possible"
I ask--is that sort of teaching of God? Or is it of Satan?
Below is the real Michael Christ, who claims he is sinless and does not
commit sin:
> Yes I am...holiness (without sin). > As you know full well, yes, I AM SAYING THAT I DO NOT SIN.
On 1999/03/12
Michael Sheppard wrote of his meeting Michael Christ:
> He began by telling me that God had him get involved
> in a homosexual relationship with a younger man called Moses.
> By submitting to sex with this person he was laying down his life
> and giving God "his all". That`s a quote from him. After a couple of
> years they broke up. And he has been out of any fellowship since. > He has no group or followers.
> ...My wife is also a witness and my business partner is also. > I will give my phone number out to any who email me.
> I did tell Sheppard of having a sexual encounter with a person in my
> twenties with a man in his twenties.
> When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
> When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
> wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:42:58 +1030, Mordecai wrote:
> > Pete wrote:
> >> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 08:48:34 -0800 (PST), jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> >>> On Nov 18, 7:27 pm, Pete <d...@kn.app> wrote:
> >>>> James 3:16
> >>> Ro 2:1 -Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man,
> >>> whosoever thou art that judgest:
> >>> for wherein thou judgest another,
> >>> thou condemnest thyself;
> >>> for thou that judgest doest the same things.
> >> Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory
> >> not, and lie not against the truth.
> >> Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual,
> >> devilish.
> >> Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every
> >> evil work.
> >> Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable,
> >> gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without
> >> partiality, and without hypocrisy.
> >> Gal_6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are
> >> spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering
> >> thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
> >> --
> >> Peter
> >> A living Stone
> >> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> >> Joh 13:34-35 KJV
> > So what are you going to do with Vince?
> > And why were you silent when he spoke?
> I was not entirely silent on either side. I also caught flack from both
> sides for various issues. I saw no good and tried advice on both sides yo
> no avail It was their bed to sleep in. It is rather obvious the full story
> is not out, it needs to come out and be cleared up or .....
> > It is an exercise ... lashon and hara.
> > For the one who accused ...
> > For the one who repeated ...
> > For the one accused ...
> > And for those who stood on the side lines ...
> > Learn. These are not the only verse in the NT but it does not answer the
> > moral and ethical questions. This is a "real life experience" and not book
> > learning.
> The verses I quoted need to be pondered by all who are believers. The last
> one is regarding another topic misunderstood by most that being so-called
> judgment.
> It might be a case of "buyers remorse" that seemed good at the time, and is
> new being covered up with "rape". Some people are adept at conning others.
> We may never know the full truth. Some may never accept the answer. lashon
> and hara only skim the surface, the superficial in this case.
> Now everyone has to deal with what seeped into their minds. Whether it be
> truth or a lie.
> Although this thread was not meant to be regarding that subject but where
> ever strife goe all manner of sin goes.
Lashon and hara is first to be taught to those who belong to him ... and
then to the world.
It has been without constraint for some time.
In fact, the most high encouraged its growth. This I do not understand, but
I saw it with my own eyes. I think I know the reason but ... I wonder and
ponder - with doubts and ideas and the sure knowledge I do not truly
understand. My lack of understanding is, of course, irrelevant to the
issue.
Now the command has gone out to deal with it.
First to his own, then to the earth.
All the issues which have come and the ones you consider the most important
- are nothing.
This is one issue and the only issue which is being dealt with.
The rest is "are we justified to use lashon and hara as these (horrendous)
accusations need to be answered." And the answer is no ... but you are to KNOW that by experience. You are not to listen to lashon and hara. So the other issues are not issues.
-- Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions. When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
