The Declaration of Dependence!
ElderChild
There are many who believe that there is a “god” who “helps those who
help themselves”.
Now if they can truly “help themselves” why is it they need help?
There are many “gods”, yet there is "Only One True GOD, Father of ALL”
and HE will help those who cry unto HIM for help. And all who truly
believe in HIM know how “poor and needy” they truly are. And so, just
as The Messiah did, they also declare their dependence upon HIM as
they cry;
“Father Help!”
Their Declaration of Dependence
And HE helps!
Now the ‘american way’, the worldly way, speaks of ‘independence’. ‘Do
your own thing!’ ‘Just do it!” Problem is they serve “the god of this
world”, he who is “the father of lies” and his version of independence
but creates dependence upon him. And oh, how destruction and
perversion has multiplied in his evil world and especially in his
seductive religious systems, all of which are the product of mankind’s
“imag”ination, and mankind's "imag"ination is 'd'evil's playground.
Sadly, the perverseness of this day is but one ‘fruit’ of the "strong
delusion" that those of this world call ‘independence’! She/he’s and
he/she’s abound, and money rules, as multitudes of double-minded men
head off to war declaring they do so in the name of “The Prince of
Peace”. “If the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that
darkness?”
Those same men return to a “home” dominated by ‘independent’ women who
have been given legal authority to rule over them and abort(kill)
their children. The prophecy of Is 3:12 is fulfilled today for “women
rule over, and children oppress, men” indeed and Truth.
However, in spite of the dis-order that is of this world, The Order of
The ONLY TRUE GOD yet bears witness to HIS Creation: “The Only True
GOD is The HEAD of The Messiah, The Messiah is The Head of the man,
and the man is the head of the woman”. And those who would pervert The
Order of The Only True GOD’ must answer to HIM.
”The Declaration of Dependence” was proclaimed by The Messiah in both
His Teachings and His Life example. He was truly dependent and subject
unto “The ONLY TRUE GOD” WHO was, is, and always will be The GOD and
Father, of The Messiah and His Brethren.
The Messiah testified, "The words that I speak are not My words but
they are the words of The Father WHO sent Me! The works I do are not
My works, but The Father WHO sent Me, HE does the works"! "Truly, I
say unto you, The Son can do nothing of Himself, but only what He sees
The Father do: for what The Father does, the Son does likewise.“ The
Messiah testified, “I can do nothing of Mine own self”!
The Messiah testified, “Love The LORD your GOD with all your heart,
mind, soul and strength”, and questioned, “Why do you call Me, Master
(Lord), Master(Lord), and do not do that which I say”?
Are you now seeking to follow The Messiah? Or are you still a babe in
need of “milk” and unable to ‘walk’?
The "sincere milk of the written Testimonies" needful for babes, must
give way to the "strong meat" which is given those who have "exercised
their senses (after 'drinking' of The Testimonies) in the discernment
of that which is good from that which is evil."
Such ‘discernment’ will not reject “suffering as The Messiah suffered”
for temporal worldly comforts, ‘discernment’ will not seek to “please
man rather than GOD”, will not let intellect rule over the simplicity
that is The Truth, nor will ‘discernment’ hearken unto the voice of a
woman rather than GOD. Those who exercise ‘discernment’ will not love
their own life in this world, or the things that are of this world.
‘Discernment’ will not allow its disciples to color their conscience
gray any longer.
Many find reasons to avoid ‘discernment’ for it will but convict them
of their “love for this world and it’s things” which are byproducts of
“independence”.
"Then said The Messiah unto him. A certain man made a great supper,
and invited many: And sent his servant at supper time to say to them
that were invited, Come; for all things are now ready. And they all
began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece
of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray you have me excused.
And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I must go to
prove them: I pray you have me excused. And another said, I have
married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. So that servant came, and
told his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry
said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the
city, and bring here the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the
blind. And the servant said, Lord, it is done as you have commanded,
and yet there is room. And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into
the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may
be filled. For I say unto you, that none of those men which were
invited shall taste of my supper.”
“And there went great multitudes with The Messiah: and He turned, and
said unto them, If any man would come to Me, and hates not his father,
and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yes,
and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not
bear his cross, and follow after Me, cannot be My disciple."
The Messiah testified: "As GOD sent Me, so send I you". Those who are
‘sent’ will trust and believe that The Only True GOD, Father of ALL,
will “supply all their needs” as HE “works in them HIS Will and good
pleasure". They are dependent upon, and subject unto Their GOD and
Father, just like their Master(Lord) and Brother, The Messiah was.
And what of this world and it’s systems of religion?
The ONLY TRUE GOD has given HIS Call!
"Come out of her, MY people"!
'catholicism',‘christianity’, ‘islam’, ‘judaism’,.etc., are but
religious systems fornicating with "the god of this world" and all
alike they are. And so it is that the seed of death is sown in their
religious ways, because life becomes but a pawn in the wicked game
they play.
And you? Do you have your part in their destructive and perverse
processes?
Are you independent? Or are you dependent upon The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL?
There is but confusion and stress(dis-ease, no peace) for those who
believe in the imagined systems of ‘order’ established by mankind.
Systems that were established in service to the “god of this world”
and his “way”. And his “way”, his desire, is to destroy the Creation
of The Only True GOD. And mankind’s worldly systems: religious,
political, social, economic, judicial, educational,,,, are all systems
ordered of mankind to suit “the god of this world’s” purposes, and all
play their part in his destructive processes.
The Only True GOD, Father(Creator) of ALL has declared that HE will
“destroy them who destroy(and pervert) HIS Creation(land, air, water,
creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Order, .etc.)”. Most play their part in
the destructive processes because of their “love for money” and “ease
of life“.
Simply, Truth IS, “You can not serve The Only True GOD and money
(mammon)”.
There is hope for those who take heed unto The Call of The Only True
GOD and “Come Out” of this world and it’s seductive religious systems.
Hope for those who “set their affections on things above”, eternal
things, heavenly things. There is hope because those who do so will
quit serving ‘time’ in the prison that is this world.
There is Peace and True Freedom, In Dependence upon The Only True
GOD! All HIS Children are dependent upon HIM, and as their Brother
and Master, The Messiah, so they also desire above all else, “Father,
not my will, But THY Will Be Done”!
“Our Father”!
Reality, now and forever!
All Thanks, Praise And Glory Be Unto Our Father!
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(dis-order) that is of this wicked
world for “the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one”
indeed and Truth.
Truth is never ending.......
Thommadura
> The Declaration of Dependence!
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> help themselves�.
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> Now if they can truly �help themselves� why is it they need help?
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> There are many �gods�, yet there is "Only One True GOD,
PROVE it ELDER CHILD
PRove there is only one true god
THat is YOUR claim
And anything you post that does not PROVE the statement will establish
YOU as a liar.
ElderChild
> On 1/6/2010 10:57 AM, ElderChild wrote:
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> > The Declaration of Dependence!
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> > help themselves .
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> > Now if they can truly help themselves why is it they need help?
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> > There are many gods , yet there is "Only One True GOD,
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> PROVE it ELDER CHILD
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> PRove there is only one true god
>
> THat is YOUR claim
>
> And anything you post that does not PROVE the statement will establish
> YOU as a liar.
Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
Simply sad for you ;-(
Thommadura
Now you admitted you are a liar
GO on - dig yourself that hole
ElderChild
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Thommadura
You made the claim = ELDER CHILD
Either you can Prove it - or you are a LIAR
ANd your posts do not support your statement
ElderChild
Thommadura
Sorry - religion has obviously had its way with you
Either you can PROVE your statement - or it is established to be
UNSUPPORTED by YOU
Making YOU a liar.
ElderChild
Bob Young
On 1/7/10 8:50 AM, in article
d12b44ed-fb44-4cf7...@22g2000yqr.googlegroups.com,
"ElderChild" <yoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is quite obvious to me that you cannot prove a THING about your god.
Bob Young
On 1/8/10 12:30 AM, in article
3eb7eb24-f871-4c59...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com,
"ElderChild" <yoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I is quite obvious that you have been brain washed by the supporters of your
religion.
Don't worry about it there are millions more like you
It is a human weakness, a sickness borne from a need to pander after ancient
superstitions
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N � it is all in the mind,
an escape from life�s realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Oh how I wish there were a loving god. A god that would take care of man�s
ills and fulfill his desires and dreams. But I have the common sense and
intelligence to know that this is simply the way man desires things to be.
Leaving the doors wide open for opportunists to cash in.
ElderChild
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Oh, and btw, can't buy em, but Miracles do happen!
In spite of religion!
Thommadura
Obviously religion has screwed up your brain - since yOU cannot actually
answer in any intelligent way
that was YOUR own fault for believing it!
Thommadura
Unexplained things happen - all the time
Calling them miracles is nonsense
ElderChild
Thommadura
Obviously Elder child cannot say anything intelligent -
or provide proof of the statements above either
Could not get any sadder than that one
ElderChild
ThomM
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> Simply sad for ME
I agree with you on that one
ElderChild
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Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
Thommadura
Since I do not believe in religion at all - apparently it is YOU who are
the deluded one
YOU MADE A CLAIM - and you now admit you cannot back it up with anything
- making YOU a liar.
ANd that has nothing to do with me
ElderChild
Thommadura
Since I do not believe in religion - and YOU are the one who claimed
somethning that YOU cannot provide a single piece of proof for
IT is YOU who have been deluded by religion
Pagan!
ElderChild
Thommadura
I note - still no proof of your statement -
Which means it is a lie -= thank you
ElderChild
Thommadura
Still no proof?
ElderChild
ThomM
Still no proof?
ElderChild
Thommadura
Still no proof - simply sad for you
ElderChild
dolf
messages especially when you are just saying the same thing as twice before.
Thommadura
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>> > > On Jan 13, 5:49 pm, ThomM<tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> > >> On Jan 13, 8:11 pm, ElderChild<yoo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well - Elder child
YOU made a claim that there is a one and only true god
ANd when asked to provide PROOF of that statemtent - YOU provided no
proof at all - you just attack the questioner constantly
WE now take that as YOUR admission that there are NO proven gods
And that YOU lies about it as well
Any further posts by you that do not include proof will verify that.
ElderChild
Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
Simply sad for you ;-(
ElderChild
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Truth needs be stated again, and again,,,,etc.......
For liars far outnumber those who have received "a love
of The Truth" ;-(
Especially needs be stated unto those who engage in
warfare against The Truth as thom does.
Sadly religion is a liars paradise and so it is that they
have their way with those like thom ;-(
Only the "aliens and pilgrims" on the earth escape the
clutches of 'd'evil one that rules over this world.......
ThomM
> On Jan 15, 6:09 pm, dolf <dolfb...@grapple.id.au> wrote:
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> > Another person with 'toe nail' problems, in not being able to trim your
> > messages especially when you are just saying the same thing as twice before.
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> > On 16/01/10 12:59 PM, ElderChild wrote:
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> Truth needs be stated again, and again,,,,etc.......
Yes - that is WHAT I and my father do - when YOU continue to post
lies all the time
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> For liars far outnumber those who have received "a love
> of The Truth" ;-(
YOu would know about the liars - for YOU have already admitted that
your statement cannot be proven to be truth
ThomM
Thank you for verifiying that YOU lied - elder child
ElderChild
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Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
Thommadura
> On Jan 15, 6:09 pm, dolf<dolfb...@grapple.id.au> wrote:
>> Another person with 'toe nail' problems, in not being able to trim your
>> messages especially when you are just saying the same thing as twice before.
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>> On 16/01/10 12:59 PM, ElderChild wrote:
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>>> Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
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> Truth needs be stated again, and again,,,,etc.......
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> For liars far outnumber those who have received "a love
> of The Truth" ;-(
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> Especially needs be stated unto those who engage in
> warfare against The Truth as thom does.
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Sadly - YOU claim I am against the truth - when all I have asked is for
YOU to prove that something YOU have said is true - and You have ALWAYS
failed to do so.
SOmething that is truth can be proven to be truth to everyone -
regardless of their belief - so by all means - provide the proof I have
asked for
Or you admit YOU are the liar here.
ElderChild
Thommadura
And you now have admitted that you are a liar -
And I accept that as TRUTH!
ElderChild
Thommadura
Again - a statement from a liar is useless
Either you can PROVE your statement is true - or you lied
Pick one
ANd you continued attack on me and my son is just changing the subject
and failure to support your statement with proof is simply YOUR
admission that you lied again and again
ElderChild
ThomM
> On Jan 18, 4:47 am, Thommadura <tommad...@optonline.net> wrote:
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> Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
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> Simply sad for you ;-(
It has NOTHING to do with ME -or my father or religion. Stop blaming
us or religion.
You made a statement
Either you can prove it or you cannot
YOU can back up your statement with PROOF or by stalling constantly -
you admit you cannot
This is personal to YOU and no one else
Thommadura
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> Quite obvious that religion has had it's way with you ;-(
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> Simply sad for you ;-(
Actually - this has NOTHING to do with ME - I made NO claims in this
thread - it was YOU who did.
YOU MADE a statement
All I asked for is proof - and attacking ME not only does not answer the
question - but it also establishes YOUR basic dishonesty.
EIther you can back up that statement with proof or you cannot
Obviously - you would have already posted proof if you actually had some
to give.
YOU should be the one thinking why YOU religion has NO proof of what YOU
say -
ElderChild
ElderChild
Thommadura
AS I said - Elder CHild - THings are not true JUST BECAUSE you say something
YOU made a statement - and ALL I did was ask for PROOF
EIther YOU can or you cannot
Attacking ME does not change that
ThomM
AS expected
YOu are so Basically Dishonest that you will continue to post a LIE
when YOU know I and my father have NOTHING to do with religion and
this thread is about proving something YOU said - and has nothing to
do with us
ElderChild
Thommadura
Still no proof -
I will accept you continued posting of nonsense as an admission that
your statement cannot be proven true
Thank YOU
ElderChild
Thommadura
As I said - Either YOU can prove your statement or you admit YOU are a
liar by not doing so
YOU admitted YOU are a liar by not providing proof
SO - SINCE YOU have already admitted your statements are lies
EVERYONE can safely ignore this one too!
ElderChild
Thommadura
As I said - either YOU can prove your statement or you admit you are a
liar by posting something else
So - you simply continue to prove you are a liar by posting something else
EVEN a stupid person would not do that one
ElderChild
Thommadura
As I pointed out before - YOU continue to accept the fact that you lied
YOu made a statement - and all I did was ask for proof - and I said that
either you post proof or anything other than proof would be YOUR
admission that YOUR statement is a lie.
ANd you continue to fail to post proof - and accept that you are a liar.
ElderChild
Thommadura
Again - YOU made a statement
ALL I did was ask for proof - or by not posting proof you admit your
statement is NOT TRUE
and while you continue to post NONSENSE_ you admit you lied
Thank you again
ElderChild
ThomM
YOu continue to Emphasize that you lied
Thank YOU again