Re: If you don't honor Jesus you do not Honor God

[.."".]

The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
cults honor Jesus. All are not christian. All are based on a heresy that
attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.

[./"".]

>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
>> cults honor Jesus. All are not christian. All are based on a heresy that
>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>

>Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
>trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
>to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
>is Him. Just like our spirit is us.

Sure, the jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal nd the host of
other cults have their on the fly invented rationalizations. All born in
the minds of individual men who have a self given authority to do the pope
thing with "my bible".

Save the muslim all the Christ attacking cults have come in the last 200
years. For 1800 to 1900 years all others were wrong and only each pope
with "my bible" in application of their pope tools have found the "truth".

[r m]

On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:

> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.

Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?

>
> --
> Peter
> A living Stone
> A Disciple of The Lord Jesus Christ
> Joh 13:34-35 KJV

[.."".]

The jw and mormon and muslin and oneness pentecostalist and a host of other
cults honor Jesus.

All born of individual men doing their lone ranger pope thing with
scripture and inventing doctrines as seem best to them.

[pyotr filipivich]

Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:50 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT), r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>>> On 18 May 2013 11:46:45 GMT, ..  wrote:
>>>
>>>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
>>>> cults honor Jesus.  All are not christian.  All are based on a heresy that
>>>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>>>
>>> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
>>> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
>>> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
>>> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.
>>
>> Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?
>>
>

>It would depend on how you define person I suppose.

So how do you suppose? What is your definition of the Holy Spirit
- a person, or an it?

>How would you feel if someone said you had a second place nature?

I would say, that par for the course, you speak boldly of what you
seem to not know.




--
pyotr
After the war two Army Chaplains were mustering out. The one said to
the other "Chaplain, it has been a real pleasure serving God with you.
You in your way, and I in His."

[pyotr filipivich]

Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sun, 19 May 2013 09:44:23 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On Sun, 19 May 2013 01:25:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:

>
>> Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:50 -0700 typed in
>> alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT), r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>>>>> On 18 May 2013 11:46:45 GMT, ..  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
>>>>>> cults honor Jesus.  All are not christian.  All are based on a heresy that
>>>>>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
>>>>> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
>>>>> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
>>>>> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.
>>>>
>>>> Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?
>>>>
>>>
>>>It would depend on how you define person I suppose.
>>
>> So how do you suppose? What is your definition of the Holy Spirit
>> - a person, or an it?
>>
>>>How would you feel if someone said you had a second place nature?
>>
>> I would say, that par for the course, you speak boldly of what you
>> seem to not know.
>>
>>
>

>Well that is what you all ascribe to Jesus, a second place nature. There is
>nothing equal there.

That would be your conclusion, naturally.

Unfortunately, your believes about Orthodox beliefs doesn't seem
to have no sway. I'd recite the part of the Nicene Creed which
"explains" all this, but you apparently reject all explanations which
are not isogesis of scripture.

[r]

On May 19, 6:25 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:50 -0700 typed in
> alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:
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> >On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT), r m <roym...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> >>> On 18 May 2013 11:46:45 GMT, ..  wrote:
>
> >>>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
> >>>> cults honor Jesus.  All are not christian.  All are based on a heresy that
> >>>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>
> >>> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
> >>> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
> >>> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
> >>> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.
>
> >> Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?
>
> >It would depend on how you define person I suppose.

The reality of a person is not predicated by any definition.

I take it (from the rest of the thread) that the Holy Spirit is not
affirmed to be a Person.

[r]

On May 28, 6:25 am, Pete <m...@ham.mer> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:45:22 -0700, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sun, 19 May 2013 09:44:23 -0700 typed in
> > alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:
> >>On Sun, 19 May 2013 01:25:08 -0700, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>> Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:50 -0700 typed in
> >>> alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:

> >>>>On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT), r m <roym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 18 May 2013 11:46:45 GMT, ..  wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
> >>>>>>> cults honor Jesus.  All are not christian.  All are based on a heresy that
> >>>>>>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>
> >>>>>> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
> >>>>>> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
> >>>>>> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
> >>>>>> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.
>
> >>>>> Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?
>
> >>>>It would depend on how you define person I suppose.
>
> >>>    So how do you suppose?  What is your definition of the Holy Spirit
> >>> - a person, or an it?
>
> >>>>How would you feel if someone said you had a second place nature?
>
> >>>    I would say, that par for the course, you speak boldly of what you
> >>> seem to not know.
>
> >>Well that is what you all ascribe to Jesus, a second place nature. There is
> >>nothing equal there.
>
> >    That would be your conclusion, naturally.
>
> >    Unfortunately, your believes about Orthodox beliefs doesn't seem
> > to have no sway.  I'd recite the part of the Nicene Creed which
> > "explains" all this, but you apparently reject all explanations which
> > are not isogesis of scripture.
>

> Dude, 2nd place is 2nd place, never a winner, always a loser. ...

They are coequal.

> ... What I
> understand about the Orthodox comes from their writings, their "fathers"
> and from Monks who place much higher in their minds than yourself, EO wise.

[pyotr filipivich]

r <roy...@gmail.com> on Mon, 27 May 2013 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) typed

in alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>On May 19, 6:25 pm, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Sat, 18 May 2013 17:13:50 -0700 typed in
>> alt.christnet.christianlife  the following:
>> >On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT), r m <roym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On May 19, 12:22 am, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:
>> >>> On 18 May 2013 11:46:45 GMT, ..  wrote:
>>
>> >>>> The jw and mormon and muslim and oneness pentecostal and a host of other
>> >>>> cults honor Jesus.  All are not christian.  All are based on a heresy that
>> >>>> attacks the nature of Christ as the 2nd person of the Trinity.
>>
>> >>> Have you any idea how ridiculous that statement is. According to most
>> >>> trinitarians all are equal. To have a second place nature is not equal. And
>> >>> to break God up into two separate entities is also heretical. Gods spirit
>> >>> is Him. Just like our spirit is us.
>>
>> >> Am I to understand, here, that the Holy Spirit is not a Person?
>>
>> >It would depend on how you define person I suppose.
>
>The reality of a person is not predicated by any definition.
>
>I take it (from the rest of the thread) that the Holy Spirit is not
>affirmed to be a Person.

Apparently, according to the Synod of Pete, PeterB, "Πέτρος σι.",
Peter B, PB, the Holy Spirit is neither a person, nor (it follows) of
the same essence with the Father and the Son.

[pyotr filipivich]

r <roy...@gmail.com> on Mon, 27 May 2013 14:34:33 -0700 (PDT) typed

it will no doubt confuse him even further to be informed that the
Holy Spirit is also co-equal, like the Son, and of the same essence as

the Father and the Son.
>

>> ... What I
>> understand about the Orthodox comes from their writings, their "fathers"
>> and from Monks who place much higher in their minds than yourself, EO wise.

What he "understands" is what he brings to his reading of the
writers of others. As has been said, like a drunk seeking lampposts,
he does it for support, not illumination; .he looks for what he
believes they say, not what they actually say. But I will admit, it
is difficult to grasp what writers of several centuries ago meant,
especially when there have been several paradigm shifts in the
presuppositions of the readers.


--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[pyotr filipivich]

Pete <n...@nya.biz> on Mon, 27 May 2013 14:39:34 -0700 typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:

>Can you show that in the Bible? At least you don't knock Him down to 2nd
>place.

I and the Father are one.

You have seen me, you have seen the Father.

>
>>> ... What I
>>> understand about the Orthodox comes from their writings, their "fathers"
>>> and from Monks who place much higher in their minds than yourself, EO wise.

[//]

>>>> They are coequal.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Can you show that in the Bible? At least you don't knock Him down to 2nd
>>>place.
>>
>> I and the Father are one.
>>
>

>In agreement.

>
>> You have seen me, you have seen the Father.
>

>Why were not all the people blinded?

"Became flesh and dwelt among us",ie. incarnation. Fully man and fully
God.

>>>>> ... What I
>>>>> understand about the Orthodox comes from their writings, their "fathers"
>>>>> and from Monks who place much higher in their minds than yourself, EO wise.

What you understand, and what you don't is quite clear; and it ain't a
pretty sight..

[pyotr filipivich]

//; "". on 28 May 2013 22:15:00 GMT typed in
alt.christnet.christianlife the following:
>

>>>>> They are coequal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Can you show that in the Bible? At least you don't knock Him down to 2nd
>>>>place.
>>>
>>> I and the Father are one.
>>>
>>
>>In agreement.
>>
>>> You have seen me, you have seen the Father.
>>
>>Why were not all the people blinded?
>
>"Became flesh and dwelt among us",ie. incarnation. Fully man and fully
>God.

But the Synod of Pete, PeterB, "Πέτρος σι.", Peter B, PB doesn't
believe in the Incarnation. They've made that abundantly clear in the
past.

>
>>>>>> ... What I
>>>>>> understand about the Orthodox comes from their writings, their "fathers"
>>>>>> and from Monks who place much higher in their minds than yourself, EO wise.
>
>What you understand, and what you don't is quite clear; and it ain't a
>pretty sight..

As I've said, he reads not for clarification or information, but
to find out where everyone else went wrong.

[duke]

On Fri, 17 May 2013 19:09:37 -0700, Pete <n...@nya.biz> wrote:

>Joh 5:22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to
>the Son,
>Joh 5:23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He
>who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
>Joh 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes
>in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment,
>but has passed from death into life.

And what happens if you dishonor the Holy Spirit in blasphemy?.

The dukester, American - American

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