SEXUAL SIN
glenn
Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
Glenn
--
.
"Common sense is in spite of, not the result of, education."
Victor Hugo
.
dolf
commit adultery--that seems to be sexual sin.
Another sexual sin is marrying after one has had sex--as if the act of
nature is somehow made righteous by a collusion with a 3rd party as
clergy or marriage celebrant.
In My Fathers House
> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
The were defined that way by certain men who lived long ago. Others
define them differently.
> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
It's kind of hard to say since the men who defined A and F that way
are long dead. If we were to define how homosexuality fits in they
why shouldn't we go on to define the rest?
> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
> more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
It seems that sexual sin is a construct. Or we could just say that
whatever we believe is the truth and everything we disbelieve is the
lie.
dolf
commit adultery--that seems to be sexual sin.
Another sexual sin is marrying after one has had sex--as if the act of
nature is somehow made righteous by a collusion with a 3rd party as
clergy or marriage celebrant.
Since the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its relationship
to marriage, given that homosexuals can't marry, then such sexual acts
can't be construed as sin in the same way, if at all.
On 3/01/10 4:51 PM, glenn wrote:
>
Terry Cross
>
> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
> more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
> Glenn
Moses forgot to make a law against fornication. He thundered against
it, cursed it, railed against it, and stoned young woman he thought
were guilty of it, but he forgot to make a law against it.
Isn't that funny?
TCross
Bob Young
On 1/3/10 1:51 PM, in article 4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net,
"glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
> more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
Sin has always been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to bolster
membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a universal
distaste for sin - even a thief becomes highly agitated when someone breaks
into his home and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let alone
write. Eons later sin was hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated
by the clergy with more force and enthusiasm than any other example of
religious dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on defer from manipulating sin as a
propagating tool - they too will never be free from sin themselves.
Evolution requires all living things to seek gratification which makes the
whole thing work. The degree of gratification needed in the sexual field
corresponds to the amount of sexual drive found in each brain, some brains
even have feelings for those of the same sex.
It is nothing to do with imaginary gods but everything to do with
psychology.
Fornication is applied like sin by the priesthood, something with which to
try to fool Mr. Average into feeling he has a need to grovel after imaginary
deities. OK for grown ups but it should be a criminal offence to inculcate
innocent children with primitive superstitious religious nonsense.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N � it is all in the mind,
an escape from life�s realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy
Oh how I wish there were a loving god. A god that would take care of man�s
ills and fulfill his desires and dreams. But I have the common sense and
intelligence to know that this is simply the way man desires things to be.
>
>
>
> Glenn
teresita
> Moses forgot to make a law against fornication. He thundered against
> it, cursed it, railed against it, and stoned young woman he thought were
> guilty of it, but he forgot to make a law against it.
>
> Isn't that funny?
He realized that he needed to have some warriors left alive, unstoned, to
defend against the Amelekites.
--
Teresita
http://hackylinux.blogspot.com/
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
<gamc...@spiritone.com> spake thusly:
>Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
>Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
>What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
>more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
Sexual sin is sexual sin, period. But it isn't heterosexuals
who bring homosexual acts to the forefront. It is the
homosexuals who do that.
The one thing I can say about homosexual acts,
is that they are not only sexual sin, but they also
pervert the very relationship between Christ and
the church, since Christ is the bridegroom and
the church is the bride and it is the wedding
that was to take place when Christ returned.
It is in this way that I think they are different
than other sexual sins.
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
The definition of insanity, is doing the same things
over and over and expecting different results.
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
<tcro...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
It isn't true. There were laws against various sexual acts
and marriage was required and that rules out fornication.
--
Pastor Dave
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Life is like a game of cards. The hand that is dealt you
is determinism; the way you play it is free will.
LuckyLuke
"dolf" <dolf...@grapple.id.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> If a male and female divorce (excepting for adultery) and remarry they
> commit adultery--that seems to be sexual sin.
When a man or a woman were found on adultery the didn't get divorce... they
got stoned.
LuckyLuke
"glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing more
> (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
To "sin" means "to miss a goal".
The purpose of sex is to make children *in a stable family* (marriage) AND
to keep a good relationship between the two partners/parents.
Ask a psychologist how much is important for the mental healt of a person to
born and grow up in *stable* (secure) family...
Homosexuality is not just a rebellion against God's plan for mankind...
Satan's plan is to destroy the mankind or to drive it to extintion.
If any copule in the world doesn't make at least 3 children, mankind goes to
extintion in a couple of centuries or less.
Sometimes we think that we are billions on the earth and tend to increase in
number but we forget that every day thousands of people die.
Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but i'm AGAINST
*female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
Jude
"glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing more
> (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
If the whole of the law is love God with all your heart and love your
neighbor as yourself, where does sexuality fit in this?
Adultery was/is seen as wrong since it encompasses disloyalty and broken
vows.
Where does fornication fit into this? If people fornicate, then you are
"stealing" the vow of "becoming one." You can't become one more than once.
:)
However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that alone
doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it is not
a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
People can handle this all kinds of ways and they do. Most "Fundies" think
nothing of expecting homosexuals to do without THEIR natural
inclincation/orientation for the rest of their lives. However, I look at
homosexuality to be including in the saying, "The law was made for man and
man was not made for the law."
Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no choice
in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
I don't believe for a second that God makes arbitrary laws and that there is
a reason.
Out of the so-called 10 commandments, there were 3 that concerns God and the
7 concerning other people.
The ancients couldn't have understood that there was a orientation. All
they understood was survival, male and female and the need for order. Thus,
you don't "spill seed" in any way, you don't bring children in the world
that don't have parents responsible for it and thus falls on the society to
take care of those children, you don't rob another man of his wife or a
possible future virgin wife. It's all about the guys and how they
perceived acts against them. If an act was perceived to be against a
neighbor, then it was forbidden. However, that didn't include the Gentiles
you have to understand. As "holy" a people the ancient Jews claimed to be
to God, those laws did NOT apply to all peoples.
Because of that the goodness of such a people is so irrelevant. What is
good if it ONLY includes your "neighbor" meaning other like-minded
religionists!?!?!
Jude
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:51:09 -0800, glenn
> <gamc...@spiritone.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>>
>>Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>>against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>>
>>What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>>into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
>>more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
> Sexual sin is sexual sin, period. But it isn't heterosexuals
> who bring homosexual acts to the forefront. It is the
> homosexuals who do that.
>
> The one thing I can say about homosexual acts,
> is that they are not only sexual sin, but they also
> pervert the very relationship between Christ and
> the church, since Christ is the bridegroom and
> the church is the bride and it is the wedding
> that was to take place when Christ returned.
THAT is a figment of your imagination, Dave.
The law was made for man and not vice versa. God doesn't judge like we do.
It's up to God to be the judge. I know for a FACT that homosexuality is NOT
a sinful choice. Too bad, so sad, Dave and you have such a good time
(perhaps not as much as Jeff to be sure) prancing around, clicking your
heels and showing your ignorance.
LuckyLuke
"Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
> However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that alone
> doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it is
> not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
> Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
> ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
> choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or an
homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
bear
tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:51:09 -0800, glenn
><gamc...@spiritone.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>>
>>Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>>against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>>
>>What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>>into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>>
>>Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
>>more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
>Sexual sin is sexual sin, period. But it isn't heterosexuals
>who bring homosexual acts to the forefront. It is the
>homosexuals who do that.
>
>The one thing I can say about homosexual acts,
>is that they are not only sexual sin, but they also
>pervert the very relationship between Christ and
>the church, since Christ is the bridegroom and
>the church is the bride and it is the wedding
>that was to take place when Christ returned.
>
If the "Last days were in the first century" Dave, why would you use
the phrase, "Was to take place" rather than the past tense form,
"took" place? Do you no longer believe that all prophecy was
fulfilled by the first century?
Bear
theologynut
> "Jude" <some...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:hhqfpj$83i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > "glenn" <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> >news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
> > However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that alone
> > doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it is
> > not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
>
> You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
>
> > Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
> > ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
> > choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
>
> Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or an
> homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
It's my theory that you can't really understand the gravity of sexual
sin until you've raised teen-agers. As a teen of the preAIDs Sexual
Revolution myself, I experimented with sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll
like everyone else. I haven't forgotten the allure of what my
generation sincerely percieved as freedom to experience every option.
No parent should forget what it's like to be young and have the whole
world before you like a smorgasbord! I personally was brought up in
such a fundamentalist home that I wasn't allowed to go to movies or
dance. I was even taught that I couldn't enter heaven if I got a
tattoo or my ears pierced! So you can imagine how tempting and
sophisticated the post-60s world was for me. But when my two sons
became adolescents and mentioned that their high school had a gay
club, I was instinctively appalled that either of my sons might be
perpetrators or recipients of sodomy. Being a liberal Democrat, I
supported gay rights completely and had many friends in the Gay-
Lesbian-Bisexual-Transsexual (GLBT) community. However, I didn't even
want my sons to be sexually active with girls, let alone boys. Any
relationship can divert kids from studying or participating in
constructive extra-cirricular high school activities. Not to mention
the impact of teenage heartbreak! A lot of their friends were already
smoking cigarettes and pot and having relationships at the tender age
of fourteen. Not that I was any different, but I wanted to protect my
sons from the fall-out. By fall-out, I mean being heartbroken because
of a love interest, getting a sexually-transmitted disease, trying
harder drugs, dropping out of school, or running afoul of the law. If
I would have had daughters, there would be the added danger of teenage
pregnancy. So the crux of the matter is that the strictness of my
parents on issues of sexuality was not only Biblical, it was reality-
based. What would you say to your son if he asked you if it was
permissable to bring his boyfriend over? You couldn't help but be
apprehensive on some level (AIDs, promiscuity, no grandchildren, the
prejudice of others). And unless two people have made a life-long
commitment, there is likely to be the pain of separation. The fact
that homosexuals can't produce children may be a factor in its
condemnation. I certainly would like grandchildren and great-
grandchildren if possible. Let them adopt, you say. Let them have
the right to marry. These are up to each person, but I just don't
want my own exposed to the dangers. I personally knew men who died of
AIDs. One still can read about homosexuals experiencing assault and
murder because of widespread prejudice, or because they were
discovered to be men posing as women. That's probably why Leviticus
has a verse stating that it's an abomination to God for a man to dress
in women's clothing. Sexual restrictions don't just develop for no
reason. People learned the hard way that fornication, adultery, and
homosexuality can lead to separation anxiety, assault, lack of support
for children, and even murder.
LuckyLuke
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On Jan 3, 8:25 am, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Jude" <some...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel
> messaggionews:hhqfpj$83i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > "glenn" <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> >news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
> > However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that
> > alone
> > doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it is
> > not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
>
> You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
>
> > Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
> > ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
> > choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
>
> Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or an
> homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
It's my theory that you can't really understand the gravity of sexual
sin until you've raised teen-agers. As a teen of the preAIDs Sexual
Revolution myself, I experimented with sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll
like everyone else.
---------------------------------------------------
You forget that we are not talking about teens only...
Homosexuals are people of 40, 50 and over...
They are adults!
It's not just a matter of AIDS or other illness...
I can understand teens that wants to play and have some fun in strange
ways...
But what's the point for a man of 50????? It's SICK!
glenn
> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>>
>> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing more
>> (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
> If the whole of the law is love God with all your heart and love your
> neighbor as yourself, where does sexuality fit in this?
>
> Adultery was/is seen as wrong since it encompasses disloyalty and broken
> vows.
>
> Where does fornication fit into this? If people fornicate, then you are
> "stealing" the vow of "becoming one." You can't become one more than once.
> :)
>
> However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that alone
> doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it is not
> a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
That is a lie of Satan.
>
> People can handle this all kinds of ways and they do. Most "Fundies" think
> nothing of expecting homosexuals to do without THEIR natural
> inclincation/orientation for the rest of their lives. However, I look at
> homosexuality to be including in the saying, "The law was made for man and
> man was not made for the law."
>
> Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
> ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no choice
> in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
No, that's delusion.
>
> I don't believe for a second that God makes arbitrary laws and that there is
> a reason.
>
> Out of the so-called 10 commandments, there were 3 that concerns God and the
> 7 concerning other people.
>
> The ancients couldn't have understood that there was a orientation. All
> they understood was survival, male and female and the need for order. Thus,
> you don't "spill seed" in any way, you don't bring children in the world
> that don't have parents responsible for it and thus falls on the society to
> take care of those children, you don't rob another man of his wife or a
> possible future virgin wife. It's all about the guys and how they
> perceived acts against them. If an act was perceived to be against a
> neighbor, then it was forbidden. However, that didn't include the Gentiles
> you have to understand. As "holy" a people the ancient Jews claimed to be
> to God, those laws did NOT apply to all peoples.
>
> Because of that the goodness of such a people is so irrelevant. What is
> good if it ONLY includes your "neighbor" meaning other like-minded
> religionists!?!?!
>
>
>
>
--
Glenn
glenn
Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when both
are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
--
Glenn
glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> Since the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its relationship
> to marriage, given that homosexuals can't marry, then such sexual acts
> can't be construed as sin in the same way, if at all.
>
Where is "the sin is here defined as an act of nature..."
--
Glenn
.
The year's in the wane
There is nothing adorning
The night has no eve
And the day has no morning
Old winter gives warning.
Hood
.
In My Fathers House
[...]
> Homosexuals are people of 40, 50 and over...
> They are adults!
> It's not just a matter of AIDS or other illness...
> I can understand teens that wants to play and have some fun in strange
> ways...
> But what's the point for a man of 50????? It's SICK!
Why do you question the way God made them? You do not like what God
has done?
theologynut
>
> - Show quoted text -
What I'm saying is is that the rules developed for the sake of the
next generation. Raising children is THE most important job. The
writers of the Bible and everyone else had a stake in the outcome:
lifelong commitments, child support, grandchildren, disease-free
lives. It was amply demonstrated to them that fornication could lead
to separation, disease, and no child support. Adultery could lead to
separation, disease, assault, and murder. Homosexuality could lead
to separation, disease, assault, murder, and no grandchildren. The
logic of it seems obvious to me now but when I was fourteen, the rules
just seemed like meaningless shackles restricting my freedom. Young
people don't always connect the dots, that how they operate when they
are young will affect their entire lives. They are attracted to the
scintillating bling of easy money and instant gratification. They see
polymorphous perversity plastered all over the internet from knee-high
to a grasshopper. Their mindless hormones drag them into anything-
goes scenarios of depraved and degenerate iniquity. Parents despair
that even with the strictest guidelines, teens are running rampant at
younger and younger ages. Everybody becomes more conservative when
their kids hit puberty--its the original meaning of the Adam and Eve
morality tale. Children are expelled from the garden to make their
way by the sweat of their brow and with the pain of childbirth. It's
essentially a coming-of-age, loss-of-innocence tale to warn people
that sex isn't just a happy-pappy picnic in the park--there are
consequences that can be fatal. We have rules for every other area of
life--why do people get up in arms because there are rules about
sexuality? I'll wager you yourself have drawn some lines. I always
tell people, sure, homosexuality seems benign until it happens to YOUR
child. And to a parent, they never really stop being a child.
Jani
"LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So people over 50 shouldn't have any sexual desire for their partners?
Jani
Jani
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Do tell.
Jani
dolf
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its
relationship to marriage...
dolf
doing anonymously?
dolf
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its
relationship to marriage...
Jani
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You tell that to the parents of gay children? Why?
Jani
duke
>
>Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
>Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
>What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be
deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male
prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards
nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
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>
>"glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>>
>> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>>
>> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
>> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
>> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing more
>> (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
>To "sin" means "to miss a goal".
No, it means to tell God no, that you are his equal and will define right over
wrong, good over bad, love over hate.
duke
>If a male and female divorce (excepting for adultery) and remarry they
>commit adultery--that seems to be sexual sin.
Adultery is a Mosaic permissive. Jesus said "what God has joined, let no man
put asunder".
LuckyLuke
> Matthew 19:9 (ASV)
> And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
> fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
> marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
>
> I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its relationship
> to marriage...
A MARRIED person doesn't commit "fornication".
Do you realize it in your mind?
Jude
Did I ever tell you that you're demented? :)
Does a homosexual or heterosexual man or woman enjoy sex with an animal?
That question makes the same sense as yours...
LuckyLuke
> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>
>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>>>
>> Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but i'm
>> AGAINST *female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
>
> Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when both
> are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
Oh, come on... Wake up! Don't you realize...? :-)))
Jude
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Oh, no, if it upsets anybody's comfortable level, we have to do away with
it! :)
LuckyLuke
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-----------
God didn't made them.
Nobody is born homosexual.
Homosexuality was recognized as an illness from the American Psychiatric
Association till 1973, when it became a political question.
LuckyLuke
That's explain only one side of the reasons for biblical sexual rules.
I understand and agree with you.
>> We have rules for every other area of
>> life--why do people get up in arms because there are rules about
>> sexuality?
People don't like rules, expecially women...
LuckyLuke
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Of course the may have sexual desires.
Young people often doesn't have control over theyr sexual behaviour but when
one became adult is supposed to develop some self-control. Maturity means
you can choose your partner according to you MIND.
As example, children don't care of what they eat when they are hungry, they
need to fill theyr stomach and that's what they do. An adult know that
eating too much or eating too much fat or sugar is unhealty. An adult must
control his hunger and not be controlled by it.
Jude
>
> "In My Fathers House" <hso...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Jan 3, 10:50 am, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> Homosexuals are people of 40, 50 and over...
>> They are adults!
>> It's not just a matter of AIDS or other illness...
>> I can understand teens that wants to play and have some fun in strange
>> ways...
>> But what's the point for a man of 50????? It's SICK!
>
> Why do you question the way God made them? You do not like what God
> has done?
> -----------
>
> God didn't made them.
Yes, God does. Homosexuals don't make themselves.
>
> Nobody is born homosexual.
The real ones are. There are people who do homosexual acts but are not
homosexual in orientation. You're an self made idiot based on what? Your
comfort zone? lol
> Homosexuality was recognized as an illness from the American Psychiatric
> Association till 1973, when it became a political question.
Your comfort zone is being tested? lol No, they finally recognized it
wasn't a choice and that the "ills" that homosexuals have are people like
yourself, Luciano! :)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Socarides
>
> http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=PSAR.017.0443A
Jude
Oh THIS is rich. You're a equal opportunity bigot!!! LOL
Jude
You don't make sense. Can you tell me that IF YOU SO WANTED (and you COULD
want) you would have sex with a guy? ;)
>
> As example, children don't care of what they eat when they are hungry,
> they need to fill theyr stomach and that's what they do. An adult know
> that eating too much or eating too much fat or sugar is unhealty. An adult
> must control his hunger and not be controlled by it.
Did you pull that out of your ass or somebody elses? lol
In My Fathers House
> "In My Fathers House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:15523011-e10d-4c88...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 10:50 am, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Homosexuals are people of 40, 50 and over...
> > They are adults!
> > It's not just a matter of AIDS or other illness...
> > I can understand teens that wants to play and have some fun in strange
> > ways...
> > But what's the point for a man of 50????? It's SICK!
>
> Why do you question the way God made them? You do not like what God
> has done?
> -----------
>
> God didn't made them.
You think there are things in our universe that were made by a
different divine being? As in not God?
> Nobody is born homosexual.
Just like nobody is born with the disposition to enjoy chocolate ice
cream more than they do raw broccoli. This is completely bankrupt.
Of course such parameters are beyond an individual's control.
> Homosexuality was recognized as an illness from the American Psychiatric
> Association till 1973 . . .
And we once thought the world was flat until evidence demonstrated
otherwise. It's not 1973 anymore.
> . . . when it became a political question.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Socarides
Great, you got a poster boy. He blamed the AIDS epidemic on a DSM II
entry? Well that is just silly. I am entirely responsible for the
AIDS epidemic due to World Health Organization data that I posted to
the internet in 2008. =)
> http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=PSAR.017.0443A
Does that "1930" mean the year 1930? As in eighty years ago? Are you
kidding me?
If you don't like the way God makes someone then you should take that
up with God.
I
> A MARRIED person doesn't commit "fornication".
What DEFINES "marriage"?
Are concubines part of "marriage"?
Is sex with a concubine "fornication"?????
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LuckyLuke
No. My point is to show that homosexuality is a choice. And bestiality...is
a choice.
I am male and i'm free to choose what to do with my "thing".
I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde or
brunette...
If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same, expecially
with the light turned off.
I mean.... i don't make sex with the eyes...
So, what's the point for a man to have 'sex' with a man?
At least is STUPID, cause with a man you can't do what you can do with a
woman, while with a woman you can do whatever you can do with a man...and
lots more...expecially in terms of "positions"....
It's like if you can get, for the same price, a house with three rooms or a
house with two rooms... and you choose the one with two rooms...
Suck stupidity can be defined with one word: "sickness".
LuckyLuke
"Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> Yes,
No
LuckyLuke
>
>> People don't like rules, expecially women...
>
> Oh THIS is rich. You're a equal opportunity bigot!!! LOL
You don't have experience...yet.
In My Fathers House
[...]
> People don't like rules, expecially women...
If I were the one making the rules you had to live by I could manage
to build them in ways so that you would not like them.
I
In My Fathers House
>
> Of course the may have sexual desires.
And they have no choice over what those desires are or what form they
will take.
> Young people often doesn't have control over theyr sexual behaviour but when
> one became adult is supposed to develop some self-control.
Sexuality indicates someone is physically an adult. And by self
control you mean they should do what ~you~ think is best - right?
> Maturity means
> you can choose your partner according to you MIND.
And if the law required that your sexual partner be a particular shoe
you could force your mind to accept this and you would carry out your
duty?
You do not control your orientation.
> As example, children don't care of what they eat when they are hungry, they
> need to fill theyr stomach and that's what they do. An adult know that
> eating too much or eating too much fat or sugar is unhealty. An adult must
> control his hunger and not be controlled by it.
Your example shows nothing.
LuckyLuke
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***IF*** i want, i can. But what for??? At the moment i have about three or
four *invitations* from women... If i pick-up the phone i can get sex with a
nice and veeeeery hot girl even tomorrow. And it will be LOTS of sex...
believe me...
LuckyLuke
"In My Fathers House" <hso...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Jan 3, 5:01 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> > So people over 50 shouldn't have any sexual desire for their partners?
>
> Of course the may have sexual desires.
And they have no choice over what those desires are or what form they
will take.
-------------------
Oh, please.........
In My Fathers House
> a choice.
So if the law required that you have sex with sheep and only with
sheep you would obey they law and do your duty? You could choose to
enjoy and accept this rule?
Your opinions have interesting consequences. Perhaps you have not
thought them all the way through to their natural conclusions.
> I am male and i'm free to choose what to do with my "thing".
But the next guy isn't if he wants to do something you don't want to
do?
> I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde or
> brunette...
> If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same, expecially
> with the light turned off.
So if you enjoy something then everyone else in the world must enjoy
it as well?
> I mean.... i don't make sex with the eyes...
>
> So, what's the point for a man to have 'sex' with a man?
>
> At least is STUPID, cause with a man you can't do what you can do with a
> woman, while with a woman you can do whatever you can do with a man...and
> lots more...expecially in terms of "positions"....
So the problem is that you are ignorant?
> It's like if you can get, for the same price, a house with three rooms or a
> house with two rooms... and you choose the one with two rooms...
And you go from bad to worse.
> Suck stupidity . . .
Freudian slip much?
> . . . can be defined with one word: "sickness".
They are different than you (maybe) but why does that make them sick?
Maybe you shouldn't hate people for being different.
In My Fathers House
> "In My Fathers House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:aa110f74-2064-4285...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 5:01 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > > So people over 50 shouldn't have any sexual desire for their partners?
>
> > Of course the may have sexual desires.
>
> And they have no choice over what those desires are or what form they
> will take.
> -------------------
>
> Oh, please.........
Please what?
Tell us of the day you choose to be attracted to women, how you set
about accomplishing this goal, and what it took to succeed.
Or were you just born with it inside you?
In My Fathers House
> "dolf" <dolfb...@grapple.id.au> ha scritto nel messaggionews:vK80n.66654$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> > Matthew 19:9 (ASV)
> > And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
> > fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
> > marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
>
> > I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its relationship
> > to marriage...
>
> A MARRIED person doesn't commit "fornication".
So a married gay man doesn't commit fornication when he has relations
with his husband? Same question for a married gay woman regarding her
wife.
LuckyLuke
Please what?
-----------------
:-))))))))))))))))))
You make me laugh. Seriusly. Im really "rolling on the floor laughing!" I
have to control my laugh cause here is night and everybody sleep.
AHHAHAHAHAHAH :-)))))))))))))))))))
Ok, just to answer to you....
I don't need to be attracted to a woman to make sex with her, AND in the
same way i can avoid to have sex with a woman to whom i am attracted.
It' called "self control" or else "FREEDOM to choose".
If you are slave of your stomach and you can't control your hanger... i
think you are fat.
But what is this newsgroup...a nursery???
dolf
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In My Fathers House
> about accomplishing this goal, and what it took to succeed.
>
> Or were you just born with it inside you?
> -----------------
>
> :-))))))))))))))))))
>
> You make me laugh. Seriusly. Im really "rolling on the floor laughing!" I
> have to control my laugh cause here is night and everybody sleep.
>
> AHHAHAHAHAHAH :-)))))))))))))))))))
>
> Ok, just to answer to you....
>
> I don't need to be attracted to a woman to make sex with her, AND in the
> same way i can avoid to have sex with a woman to whom i am attracted.
> It' called "self control" or else "FREEDOM to choose".
All of which is irrelevant to my questions. When did you choose to be
attracted to women? What did it take for you to succeed in this
goal? Or was it perhaps just instinct?
> If you are slave of your stomach and you can't control your hanger...
If I had four wheels then I would be a wagon. If we had some logs we
could build a raft ~if~ we had some rope.
> i
> think you are fat.
That's okay with me since you are not my type and I'm not on the
market.
> But what is this newsgroup...a nursery???
Your claims fail due to a lack of merit.
LuckyLuke
"In My Fathers House" <hso...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Jan 3, 5:19 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> No. My point is to show that homosexuality is a choice. And
> bestiality...is
> a choice.
So if the law required that you have sex with sheep and only with
sheep you would obey they law and do your duty? You could choose to
enjoy and accept this rule?
-------------
Tha law that you point at sais that there are two options. Make sex with
sheeps or don't make sex *at all*.
If i don't like sheeps i'm FREE to don't make any sex.
And there is always the third option...
> I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde
> or
> brunette...
> If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same,
> expecially
> with the light turned off.
So if you enjoy something then everyone else in the world must enjoy
it as well?
--------------
Don't forget we are talking about sex, not "something".
And to answer to you: everyone phisically and mentaly healty...yes.
There are people who get orgasm by getting 'sex' with dead people. They
enjoy it...
According to your way of thinking, they have the right to do so. No doubt
the dead person is consenting....
> . . . can be defined with one word: "sickness".
They are different than you (maybe) but why does that make them sick?
Maybe you shouldn't hate people for being different.
------------------
They are not different. Homosexuality is a FREE CHOICE.
Homosexuals who wants to become christians are FREE to become christian and
be saved.
I know many *christians* that have turned from homosexuality into
etherosexuality, and they are happy. Or else, they discovered the meaning of
the word "happiness" for the first time in theyr life!
LuckyLuke
On Jan 3, 6:20 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Tell us of the day you choose to be attracted to women, how you set
> about accomplishing this goal, and what it took to succeed.
>
> Or were you just born with it inside you?
> -----------------
>
> :-))))))))))))))))))
>
> You make me laugh. Seriusly. Im really "rolling on the floor laughing!" I
> have to control my laugh cause here is night and everybody sleep.
>
> AHHAHAHAHAHAH :-)))))))))))))))))))
>
> Ok, just to answer to you....
>
> I don't need to be attracted to a woman to make sex with her, AND in the
> same way i can avoid to have sex with a woman to whom i am attracted.
> It' called "self control" or else "FREEDOM to choose".
All of which is irrelevant to my questions. When did you choose to be
attracted to women? What did it take for you to succeed in this
goal? Or was it perhaps just instinct?
...............................
What is "attraction"? Are we magnets?
In My Fathers House
> "In My Fathers House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:b9cdad85-ecb2-413d...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 5:19 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > No. My point is to show that homosexuality is a choice. And
> > bestiality...is
> > a choice.
>
> So if the law required that you have sex with sheep and only with
> sheep you would obey they law and do your duty? You could choose to
> enjoy and accept this rule?
> -------------
>
> Tha law that you point at sais that there are two options. Make sex with
> sheeps or don't make sex *at all*.
Nope. In my hypothetical the law requires you to have sex with sheep
- just like past laws requires girls to have sex with which ever man
to whom their father sold them.
The point is that your desires are your instinct. You don't choose
what form they will take. You would not like it if the law required
you to have sex it ways you did not want to have sex.
> If i don't like sheeps i'm FREE to don't make any sex.
Not in my hypothetical example. For centuries a girl who did not want
to have sex with her husband could do what about it? Run away?
Suicide? Not many options.
> And there is always the third option...
If you wish to claim that you could enjoy banging sheep if the law
required you to do so then let's hear your argument.
> > I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde
> > or
> > brunette...
> > If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same,
> > expecially
> > with the light turned off.
>
> So if you enjoy something then everyone else in the world must enjoy
> it as well?
> --------------
>
> Don't forget we are talking about sex, not "something".
By something I was referring to a certain type of sex. Yes, my
context was within sex. That you are attracted to women does not mean
all men are.
> And to answer to you: everyone phisically and mentaly healty...yes.
>
> There are people who get orgasm by getting 'sex' with dead people. They
> enjoy it...
> According to your way of thinking, they have the right to do so. No doubt
> the dead person is consenting....
Hey now, what's with the strawman? I never said they have a right. I
have said they don't choose to be that way. Go with that.
> > . . . can be defined with one word: "sickness".
>
> They are different than you (maybe) but why does that make them sick?
> Maybe you shouldn't hate people for being different.
> ------------------
>
> They are not different. Homosexuality is a FREE CHOICE.
Are you sexually attracted to everything in equal strength?
> Homosexuals who wants to become christians are FREE to become christian and
> be saved.
> I know many *christians* that have turned from homosexuality into
> etherosexuality, and they are happy.
And there are some who say they can't figure out how.
In My Fathers House
> "In My Fathers House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:eebfc357-a05f-442a...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Sexual orientation. Didn't you use the word in the same context when
you wrote "I don't need to be attracted to a woman to make sex with
her . . ."?
Did you choose to want to have sex with women and make yourself have
this desire through some process or did this come to you by instinct?
These questions must be very tough.
LuckyLuke
On Jan 3, 6:39 pm, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim,
> > blonde
> > or
> > brunette...
> > If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same,
> > expecially
> > with the light turned off.
>
> So if you enjoy something then everyone else in the world must enjoy
> it as well?
> --------------
>
> Don't forget we are talking about sex, not "something".
By something I was referring to a certain type of sex. Yes, my
context was within sex. That you are attracted to women does not mean
all men are.
.................................
If a man is not attracted to women it's not a problem. He can live alone and
enter in the Kingdom of God. A small sacrifice, after all.
LuckyLuke
------------------------
The *instinct* is NOT to have sex "with women". The instinct is just "to
have sex" or "to ejaculate"(for men). We have FREEDOM to choose how to
satisfy this instinct. I choose to satisfy it with a woman, according to
God's will, which, in my strictly personal opinion, is a GOOD will.
We don't have the instinct to eat apples... We have the instinct to eat. We
are free to choose what to eat. I suggest italian food.
Mordecai
LuckyLuke wrote:
Once more from the beginning.
Definition -
Homosexual -a psychological term of desire for sex with the same species. THis
psychological condition is not mentioned in the bible, not discussed in the
bible, and is not relevant to the bible.
The law ... There is a prohibition against one specific act - male to male anal
sex.
Missing from the law - any condemnation of desires towards the same sex.
Included in the law - a prohibition of a desire for the things of another
including sexual desire for the wife of your neighbour.
As there are prohibitions of desires in the law, and there is no prohibition of
desires for the same sex, then the bible does not prohibit homosexuals.
I make this clear - the bible condemns "something."
Fred Blogs - spoke "Thus says my belly button (god) that homosexuals and
lesbians are condemned in the law of moses" and Joe Blogs ...w ho was a follower
of Fred Blogs, translated words into english from Greek and implied that
homosexuals were condemned in the bible.
Both Fred Blogs - and Joe Blogs are LIARS ... but lots of ignorant people quote
both Fred and Joe Blogs and the lies they preach.
Now --- the laws of moses does restrict ... something.
I want to restrict this something that the bible condemns.
And all the people who say "it condemns homosexuals" are hiding what the law
condemns as they do not want the sin of the bible but prefer the sin of fred
Blogs and his prophet Joe Blogs.
My goal is to condemn what the Most High condemns, and approve what he approves
- and to perdition with Fred and Joe Blogs and the lies pertaining to them.
These people are trying to blind me to the reality.
*******************************************************
This is not about homosexuality but a desire to know what the bible preaches.
It does NOT preach about Homosexuals.
*******************************************************
Now - in the most simple terms, the bible condemns one and only one sexual act
with respect to same sex actions. Male to male anal sex.
Over time, many rulings have been set into place to make a hedge about the law
and extra rulings have been added. These are not in the same class as the law on
male to male anal sex.
But one thing is clear - only deeds and not desires are prohibited.
Making the bible condemn Homosexuality does something immoral - it condemns
desires.
No. There is NO CONDEMNATION of desires.
There is only condemnation of deeds.
So the first outcome of Fred Blogs and his prophet Joe Blogs is to try to change
people into something else.
*******************************************************
Condemning homosexuality condemns desires.
NOT my bible, and not my G_d.
*******************************************************
I will not bother with all I have found ... and I do not particularly care about
this issue on the grounds I am not homosexual, bisexual or particularly
interested.
But I have had to fight damn hard because Fred Blogs and his prophet Joe Blogs
have been busy teaching me about a G_d I do not know, a law not preached - and
a sin unknown.
People like you repeat his lies - preaching hatred, preaching intolerance - and
condemning what is not to be condemned.
The law does not condemn. The NT does not condemn (surprise surprise) ... and I
do not know what G_d thinks because the cursed and damned Fred Blogs and his
prophet Joe have ... coloured and biased my judgement.
*******************************************************
The outcome of Fred and Joe Blogs is that I am a biased judge.
My judgement is ... perverted ... because of their lies.
*******************************************************
--
Mordecai!
When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.
glenn
>
> "dolf" <dolf...@grapple.id.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Matthew 19:9 (ASV)
>> And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
>> fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
>> marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
>>
>> I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its
>> relationship to marriage...
>
> A MARRIED person doesn't commit "fornication".
>
Umm, imho,
The "Fornication" was committed before marriage...
That is, he took her for his wife, and discovered that she had been
involved in the sex act PRIOR to being with him -- in other words, she
was not a virgin at marriage, so the next morning he returns her to her
parents with a writing of divorce for fornication.
IF they were already married, THEN he discovers that she's lain with
another man after being with him, then THAT's Adultery.
--
Glenn
.
The year's in the wane
There is nothing adorning
The night has no eve
And the day has no morning
Old winter gives warning.
Hood
.
glenn
> Matthew 19:9 (ASV)
> And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
> fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
> marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
>
> I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its
> relationship to marriage...
There is nothing in that scripture which defines fornication (sex before
marriage) or adultery (sex with another after marriage) as "an act of
nature."
dolf
and marriage as legal and ecclesiastical process. The verse makes no
judgment of polygamy and concubines.
LuckyLuke
"glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>
>> "dolf" <dolf...@grapple.id.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:vK80n.66654$ze1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Matthew 19:9 (ASV)
>>> And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
>>> fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that
>>> marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.
>>>
>>> I repeat the sin is here defined as an act of nature and its
>>> relationship to marriage...
>>
>> A MARRIED person doesn't commit "fornication".
>> Do you realize it in your mind?
>>
>
> Umm, imho,
> The "Fornication" was committed before marriage...
YES. Right.
> That is, he took her for his wife, and discovered that she had been
> involved in the sex act PRIOR to being with him -- in other words, she was
> not a virgin at marriage, so the next morning he returns her to her
> parents with a writing of divorce for fornication.
Wrong again. Sorry.
For this situation there is already a specific law, and is not divorce...
Deuteronomy 22:13-21
So, Jesus words was not referred to this case.
> IF they were already married, THEN he discovers that she's lain with
> another man after being with him, then THAT's Adultery.
Yes. That's adultery.
That's why this statement doesn't make any sense:
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
fornication"
A wife doesn't commit fornication. A wife may commit adultery.
It seems an enigma but the truth is that the translation is wrong.
In the greek there is the word "porneia". That word means almost anything
about sex.
By joining the old testament and the new testament about this topic it comes
out that *probably* the only reason by whom one can divorce from the wife is
for "sexual abuse/violence of the wife".
I said that before. People think it was a joke...
glenn
>>>>
>
>>> Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but i'm
>>> AGAINST *female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
>>
>> Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when
>> both are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
>
> Oh, come on... Wake up! Don't you realize...? :-)))
>
realize WHAT?
LuckyLuke
> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>
>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:4b410cfa$0$86447$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>>>
>>
>>>> Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but i'm
>>>> AGAINST *female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
>>>
>>> Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when both
>>> are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
>>
>> Oh, come on... Wake up! Don't you realize...? :-)))
>>
>
> realize WHAT?
That if a pretty woman is homosexual... there is no chance for me to have
sex with her. Wake Up, guys! ;-)))
glenn
> The sex act as an act of nature is a separate consideration to divorce
> and marriage as legal and ecclesiastical process. The verse makes no
> judgment of polygamy and concubines.
Where do you get this "as an act of nature" crapola?
"...as an act of nature" is unmitigated bovine excrement!
Oh! NOW I get it, you ARE talking about dogs!
dolf
In My Fathers House
> "In My Fathers House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:7572ca9f-da9f-4b64...@d20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
People should not hate you or claim that your are in rebellion against
God simply because they have a much stronger hetero instinct.
> We have FREEDOM to choose how to
> satisfy this instinct. I choose to satisfy it with a woman, according to
> God's will, which, in my strictly personal opinion, is a GOOD will.
>
> We don't have the instinct to eat apples... We have the instinct to eat. We
> are free to choose what to eat. I suggest italian food.
You do not get to decide if you will enjoy eating an apple more than
you would enjoy eating sawdust. God made you that way.
Terry Cross
wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:28:00 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
> <tcros...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 2, 9:51 pm, glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
>
> >> Just wondering, if anyone wishes to make a comment...
>
> >> Adultery and Fornication (as well as bestiality) are defined as acts
> >> against, in rebellion to, and/or in opposition to God and the Laws of God.
>
> >> What I'm wondering is -- where does homosexuality (male or female) fit
> >> into that classification (sexual sin) of rebellion against God?
>
> >> Correct me if I'm wrong (Please) But isn't sexual sin, simply nothing
> >> more (or nothing less) than Sexual Sin?
>
> >> Glenn
>
> >Moses forgot to make a law against fornication. He thundered against
> >it, cursed it, railed against it, and stoned young woman he thought
> >were guilty of it, but he forgot to make a law against it.
>
> >Isn't that funny?
>
> It isn't true. There were laws against various sexual acts
> and marriage was required and that rules out fornication.
Please quote where marriage is required -- I missed it.. Some places
in the Torah seem to suggest casual sex. For example:
Leviticus 18:19
Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as
long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.
Otherwise, if she is not menstruating, you can ask a strange woman to
disrobe without offending the Torah.
TCross
glenn
A man does not "put away his wife" if she is discovered in adultery. He
takes her to the priest, and they take her outside the city, and stone
her to death.
>
> That's why this statement doesn't make any sense:
>
> "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for
> fornication"
It makes sense if the sexual sin were committed before marriage, and
discovered on consummation of the marriage.
>
> A wife doesn't commit fornication. A wife may commit adultery.
>
> It seems an enigma but the truth is that the translation is wrong.
>
> In the greek there is the word "porneia". That word means almost
> anything about sex.
>
> By joining the old testament and the new testament about this topic it
> comes out that *probably* the only reason by whom one can divorce from
> the wife is for "sexual abuse/violence of the wife".
>
> I said that before. People think it was a joke...
They still will, and so do I.
I agree with much your write, LL, but, sadly, some you write is just
plain bonkers -- sorry. Don't worry -- we all grow.
Michael Christ
"LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Adultery is not of the flesh, it is of the spirit/heart.
Michael Christ
glenn
>
> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:4b41772b$0$86441$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>>
>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> news:4b410cfa$0$86447$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but
>>>>> i'm AGAINST *female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
>>>>
>>>> Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when
>>>> both are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
>>>
>>> Oh, come on... Wake up! Don't you realize...? :-)))
>>>
>>
>> realize WHAT?
>
> That if a pretty woman is homosexual... there is no chance for me to
> have sex with her. Wake Up, guys! ;-)))
LOL! LOLOLOLOL!!
But, but LL, you may must be the man who will convert her from the error
of her ways!
Best wishes!
glenn
> Nice try at being reasonable.
You use the word "reasonable"?
When you're ready to attempt "reasonable" let me know!
"Act of nature" OH! CRAP!
A volcano -- THATS an act of nature!
dolf
Jude
"I" <itsme@home000000000000035> wrote in message
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> "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nobody is born homosexual.
>
>
> Utter ignorant homophobia!
Poor Luciano's comfort zone has been compromised! :)
Jude
>
> "Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:hhrcqu$qef$1...@news.eternal-september.org...>> news:hhqgd6$c4c$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> news:hhqfpj$83i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>
>>>> However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that
>>>> alone doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin
>>>> because it is not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
>>>
>>> You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
>>>
>>>> Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
>>>> ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
>>>> choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
>>>
>>> Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or
>>> an homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
>>
>> Did I ever tell you that you're demented? :)
>>
>> Does a homosexual or heterosexual man or woman enjoy sex with an animal?
>> That question makes the same sense as yours...
>
> No. My point is to show that homosexuality is a choice. And
> bestiality...is a choice.
Your skirt blew up and we can see your ignorance! :) The ONLY CHOICE is to
follow one's attraction. The choice is NOT about what attracts you. Did
you choose any of your sexual attractions. Do you like women's legs? Did
you choose that?
>
> I am male and i'm free to choose what to do with my "thing".
> I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde
> or brunette...
> If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same,
> expecially with the light turned off.
> I mean.... i don't make sex with the eyes...
Did you choose to be attracted to women. OF COURSE, for the rest of YOUR
life you could choose to not be with a woman. That is what ignorance people
like yourself expect out of homosexuals.
>
> So, what's the point for a man to have 'sex' with a man?
>
> At least is STUPID, cause with a man you can't do what you can do with a
> woman, while with a woman you can do whatever you can do with a man...and
> lots more...expecially in terms of "positions"....
>
> It's like if you can get, for the same price, a house with three rooms or
> a house with two rooms... and you choose the one with two rooms...
>
> Suck stupidity can be defined with one word: "sickness".
You're showing your OWN prejudice. Deviations from the "norm" doesn't
necissitate something to be condemned.
Could you CHOOSE to be attracted to men?
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
<tcro...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:
You like to add words. Where does it say "strange"?
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
"Don't give up. Moses was once a basket case."
Jani
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>
> "Jani" <ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:hhr4rl$31co$1...@energise.enta.net...
>>
>>
>> "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhqoto$93o$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "theologynut" <sharonkath...@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> news:09f4d6c7-d52e-4590...@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jan 3, 8:25 am, "LuckyLuke" <fontanal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Jude" <some...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel
>>>> messaggionews:hhqfpj$83i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > "glenn" <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>> > However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that
>>>> > alone
>>>> > doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin because it
>>>> > is
>>>> > not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
>>>>
>>>> > Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous.
>>>> > Does
>>>> > ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
>>>> > choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or
>>>> an
>>>> homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
>>>
>>> It's my theory that you can't really understand the gravity of sexual
>>> sin until you've raised teen-agers. As a teen of the preAIDs Sexual
>>> Revolution myself, I experimented with sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll
>>> like everyone else.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> You forget that we are not talking about teens only...
>>> Homosexuals are people of 40, 50 and over...
>>> They are adults!
>>> It's not just a matter of AIDS or other illness...
>>> I can understand teens that wants to play and have some fun in strange
>>> ways...
>>> But what's the point for a man of 50????? It's SICK!
>>
>> So people over 50 shouldn't have any sexual desire for their partners?
>
> Of course the may have sexual desires.
> Young people often doesn't have control over theyr sexual behaviour but
> when one became adult is supposed to develop some self-control. Maturity
> means you can choose your partner according to you MIND.
No-one has control over who they're attracted to, whatever their age. All
you can control is what you do about it.
> As example, children don't care of what they eat when they are hungry,
> they need to fill theyr stomach and that's what they do. An adult know
> that eating too much or eating too much fat or sugar is unhealty. An adult
> must control his hunger and not be controlled by it.
The hunger still exists, though.
Jani
LuckyLuke
If the sin were committed before marriage is considered "prostitution", and
the law sais the girl must be stoned.
LuckyLuke
"Michael Christ" <jesus...@father.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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I considered this option also very carefully.
In 1Corinthians chapter 7 Paul ****seems**** to say that a man can divorce
and remarry (and so the wife?) if the wife does not accept his
religion/faith and she *does not want to live with him*. But if the wife
choose to stay with him pacefully, the husband MUST NOT send her away.
For sure, according to Paul and to some old testament scripture, a different
religion is a good reason to separate/divorce, but what is not sure is if
"in this situation" one can remarry...
LuckyLuke
----------------------
I like to eat only cakes, icecream and chocolate but, to eat whatever we
like is obiviously WRONG.
And...God doesn't make men. God made the first men only, and they were
perfect. They choose to sin and theyr offspring inherited the tendency for
the evil.
We are not "created". We are "generated" from our parents.
Don't you ever noticed that children tend to become like they parents while
growing up, in good and in bad, even if they are grown in another family and
never met theyr parents?...
Bad News n.1: God didn't made you
Bad News n.2: We are NOT sons of God
Good News: We can BECOME sons of God by "adoption" if we want. And it's
totally free. There is nothing to pay for it.
LuckyLuke
> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>
>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:4b41772b$0$86441$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> news:4b410cfa$0$86447$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>>> LuckyLuke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>>>> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, i don't have any problem with *male* homosexuals but i'm
>>>>>> AGAINST *female* homosexuality... Do i have to explain why?....
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither one results in children... so, yes, why object to one when
>>>>> both are a rejection of God's will for His creation?
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come on... Wake up! Don't you realize...? :-)))
>>>>
>>>
>>> realize WHAT?
>>
>> That if a pretty woman is homosexual... there is no chance for me to have
>> sex with her. Wake Up, guys! ;-)))
>
> LOL! LOLOLOLOL!!
>
> But, but LL, you may must be the man who will convert her from the error
> of her ways!
Yes, but you know... it's hard to preach in front of two perfect 'melons'
nicely exposed...
And... i don't convert anybody. Is God the one who converts.
> Best wishes!
Thank you.
I suggest to all married men to think well: what if theyr wife or girlfriend
become homosexual... and there is not a cure?
I know a solution: it's called "Jesus Christ". Don't forget. Just in case
you need...
LuckyLuke
With time and training... it's possible to control your desires.
LuckyLuke
>
> You're showing your OWN prejudice. Deviations from the "norm" doesn't
> necissitate something to be condemned.
I don't condemn anything. I'm just say that homosexuals are wasting they
only opportunity to live they life according to theyr whole potentials. It's
cause i LOVE homosexuals that i don't want them to waste they life and NEVER
be happy.
This EVIL world choose to abandon them to theyr problems putting a mark on
them as if they are what they are and can't change.
But i LOVE them and God LOVES them and i say *in the name of God* to all
homosexuals in the world that theyr condition is NOT unchangeble, is NOT in
the DNA.
With the love of God they can change to NORMAL and live a life according to
they full potentials instead of living a HALF life.
I said is NOT in the DNA, but if the scientists may say that is in the DNA,
you MUST know that there is a powerful GOD that can "CHANGE the DNA".
God is the TRUE, the real, and only FREEDOM.
Jani
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>
> "Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:hhrcqu$qef$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "LuckyLuke" <fonta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hhqgd6$c4c$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Jude" <som...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> news:hhqfpj$83i$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "glenn" <gamc...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4b40304d$0$86448$39ce...@news.twtelecom.net...
>>>
>>>> However, homosexuality is a deviance from the natural order but that
>>>> alone doesn't mean it should fall into the classification of sin
>>>> because it is not a choice but a discovery of one's nature.
>>>
>>> You're wrong. Homosexuality is a choice.
>>>
>>>> Other "Fundies" think that it's a choice, but that is ridiculous. Does
>>>> ANYBODY choose what attracts them sexually? THAT is joke. I had no
>>>> choice in what is sexually attractive. This is PURE common sense.
>>>
>>> Are you saing that an homosexual man doesn't enjoy sex with a woman, or
>>> an homosexual woman doesn't enjoy sex with a man?
>>
>> Did I ever tell you that you're demented? :)
>>
>> Does a homosexual or heterosexual man or woman enjoy sex with an animal?
>> That question makes the same sense as yours...
>
> No. My point is to show that homosexuality is a choice. And
> bestiality...is a choice.
Homosexuality is an orientation. Sexual *behaviour* is a choice.
> I am male and i'm free to choose what to do with my "thing".
> I can swear to you... it doesn't matter if a woman is fat or slim, blonde
> or brunette...
> If all the "things" works properly the result is always the same,
> expecially with the light turned off.
> I mean.... i don't make sex with the eyes...
> So, what's the point for a man to have 'sex' with a man?
>
> At least is STUPID, cause with a man you can't do what you can do with a
> woman, while with a woman you can do whatever you can do with a man...and
> lots more...expecially in terms of "positions"....
>
> It's like if you can get, for the same price, a house with three rooms or
> a house with two rooms... and you choose the one with two rooms...
>
> Suck stupidity can be defined with one word: "sickness".
Ah, ok. Your criterion is the number of orifices, and it doesn't matter what
the person looks like. Have you considered marrying a piece of Emmental?
Jani
In My Fathers House
[...]
> You do not get to decide if you will enjoy eating an apple more than
> you would enjoy eating sawdust. God made you that way.
> ----------------------
>
> I like to eat only cakes, icecream and chocolate but, to eat whatever we
> like is obiviously WRONG.
Irrelevant to the issue of whether or not you choose to have a type of
instinct. Why change the subject?
> And...God doesn't make men. God made the first men only, and they were
> perfect.
So you believe you were not made by God?
> They choose to sin and theyr offspring inherited the tendency for
> the evil.
You cannot prove this. You are repeating a story.
> We are not "created". We are "generated" from our parents.
That's an interesting theological position. Why do you disagree with
the Bible on this point?
> Don't you ever noticed that children tend to become like they parents while
> growing up, in good and in bad, even if they are grown in another family and
> never met theyr parents?...
Scientists call it genetics.
> Bad News n.1: God didn't made you
Interesting. Is this position typical in your denomination?
> Bad News n.2: We are NOT sons of God
>
> Good News: We can BECOME sons of God by "adoption" if we want. And it's
> totally free. There is nothing to pay for it.
If God didn't make me then what did God make? Would any living thing
alive today be made by God under your theology?
In My Fathers House
> > you can control is what you do about it.
>
> With time and training... it's possible to control your desires.
But since the desire still exists the people in question would still
be gay. Orientation is defined by desire.
The next question is "Who are you to decide how they should control
their desires?".
In My Fathers House
> become homosexual... and there is not a cure?
You mean she was conditioned from youth to reject her own nature and
pretend to be heterosexual and after trying to force herself into that
role for years or decades she discovers it is impossible and
unrealistic?
Why that you be the fault of those pushing your agenda. Just accept
them the way they are. Then some poor guy doesn't have to go through
this when a full gay woman tries to do the impossible.
In My Fathers House
> "Jude" <some...@somewhere.com> ha scritto nel messaggionews:hhsoo3$dpb$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > You're showing your OWN prejudice. Deviations from the "norm" doesn't
> > necissitate something to be condemned.
>
> I don't condemn anything. I'm just say that homosexuals are wasting they
> only opportunity to live they life according to theyr whole potentials.
So you do condemn homosexuals as wasting their only opportunity to
live to their whole potential.
> It's
> cause i LOVE homosexuals that i don't want them to waste they life and NEVER
> be happy.
Intolerance is the opposite of love. What you are doing is hate.
> This EVIL world choose to abandon them to theyr problems putting a mark on
> them as if they are what they are and can't change.
>
> But i LOVE them and God LOVES them and i say *in the name of God* to all
> homosexuals in the world that theyr condition is NOT unchangeble, is NOT in
> the DNA.
DNA is not the only way to hardwire someone.
> With the love of God they can change to NORMAL and live a life according to
> they full potentials instead of living a HALF life.
Where do you get this hate about them living half a life? Their only
problem in life is that they are hated by the intolerant. If you stop
that will help.
Terry Cross
> "I" <itsme@home000000000000035> wrote in message
>
> news:4b414309$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>
>
> >> Nobody is born homosexual.
>
> > Utter ignorant homophobia!
>
> Poor Luciano's comfort zone has been compromised! :)
Homosexuality is inherited from homosexual parents. This should be
obvious.
TCross
Terry Cross
wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:15:50 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
The meaning is in the difference between "a woman" and "thy wife."
Relatives are already excluded.
But maybe I am forgetting the harems and seraglios held by these old
dudes, and their free use of female slaves for purposes other than
washing dishes and scrubbing floors.
Please quote where marriage is required by the Torah -- I missed it.
Does Abraham's use of Hagar conform to that standard?
TCross
In My Fathers House
[...]
> > > Utter ignorant homophobia!
>
> > Poor Luciano's comfort zone has been compromised! :)
>
> Homosexuality is inherited from homosexual parents. This should be
> obvious.
No it would die out if it were passed on that way. Having gay members
in one's tribe must have helped the breeders. Humans are social
creatures. A gay hunter could still catch food for the tribe. A gay
gatherer could process that food for the tribe. People still have
value and can make a contribution even if their orientation is not
typical.
LuckyLuke
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I'm one who loves them and i care about both theyr present life an theyr
eternal destination.
I'm one who know the truth and the truth is "Homosexualituy is not an
unchangeable condition". Homosexuality is in the mind, non in the blood. The
mind can be disciplinated.
glenn
An unmarried couple may engage in sex with or without an exchange of
goods or money. If one hires the other, then that is prostitution.
An unmarried woman who engages in sex with a man is not necessarily a
prostitute, while they both are guilty of fornication.
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Glenn
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For God giveth to a man that is good in His sight wisdom,
and knowledge, and joy; but to the sinner He giveth travail.
Solomon
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I know some of them personally. Theyr problem is not the intolerance. They
are unhappy cause they don't know the truth and nobody tell them the truth.
If one choose to *become* (act as) homosexual i respect his will. But most
homosexuals have the desire to have a normal/hetero family and be happy and
they think they can't.
They think they have not the freedom to choose. They believe they are
somehow *cursed* by an evil *fate*. In the past, the medicine would help
them but now the medics ABANDONED them to theyr 'supposed' destiny.
The world does not love them. God does.