The Importance of the Pre-Tribulational Rapture
Ted L
THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PRE-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE
The doctrine of the pre-tribulational rapture is not a peripheral one. As we
have seen, Christ, Paul, James, and Peter taught that the return of Christ
was imminent and was to be expected at any time (Mat. 24:44; Phil. 4:5; Jam.
5:8-9; 1 Pet. 4:7). The early Christians lived in expectation of Christ's
return the literal fulfillment of the prophecies. "For they themselves shew
of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God
from idols to serve the living and true God; And to wait for his Son from
heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from
the wrath to come" (1 Thessalonians 1:9-10).
The doctrine of a pre-tribulational Rapture is a great motivator for
purifying one's personal Christian life.
1. It encourages the believer in trials and persecutions. "Then we which are
alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to
meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore
comfort one another with these words" (1 Thessalonians 4:17-18).
2. It keeps the church's focus on the Great Commission (Mat. 28:18-20; Mk
16:15; Lk. 24:44-48; Acts 1:8). It teaches us that preaching the gospel,
winning people to Christ, and establishing churches as the pillar and ground
of the truth is the most urgent matter. D.L. Moody had it right when he
said: "I look upon this world as a wrecked vessel. God has given me a
lifeboat and said to me, 'Moody, save all you can.'"
3. It motivates us to be busy in the Lord's work (1 Cor. 15:58).
4. It motivates us to live obedient lives (1 Jn. 3:1-3; 1 Th. 5:4-7).
5. It motivates us to separate from evil (Tit. 2:13-14).
6. It keeps believers on the outlook for heresy and apostasy (2 Timothy
4:3-4; 1 John 2:24-28).
THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
Jun/22/09 18:09 Filed in: Doctrine
Updated June 24, 2009 (first published May 2, 2003) (David Cloud,
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> [Excerpt from a larger work sourced at end of excerpt]
> THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PRE-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE
>
that seemed
to support both pre- and post- tribulation rapture) while boarding
with
Christians in a NSW counrty town where I had been appointed as a
teacher,
When I was finished I was none the wiser.
It was in December thirty six years ago I had a dream in which I was
in a desolate place, completely damaged by fire, blackened trees,
bare
of all leaves, ash everywhere over the ground. A voice I believed to
be God's
kept asking me whether I wanted Christians to be taken out of the
world
before or after the Tribulation. I wanted so much to say 'before the
Tribulation" becase I am a coward when it comes to pain and
suffering.
I argued with God's voice that those non-Christians who were left
would find
Bibles and other literature in homes, churches and libraries.
But then I wondered whether they would be found.
I finally said that Christians should go through the Tribulation with
those who had not put their faith in Christ.
And with that I woke but with no memory of the dream, That has only
come
to me in more recent times, but I could now give more details of the
circumstances but will not so so in this posting.
What effect my dream has on this topic and even future events I do not
know
Was it just a dream of an overactive brain?
Or was it prophetic, I do not know.
Except I would say this. There are Christians so tied up with
theological
research and dedate in their own minds and with friends and whosoever
that they can only see that those involved as they are the only ones
really searching for truth.
I am inclined to call those pursuits 'the intellectualising of the
Christian faith'.
This is my first response to the topic heading of your posting.
Gladys Swager
<snip - see posting above>
glenn
> [Excerpt from a larger work sourced at end of excerpt]
>
> THE IMPORTANCE OF THE PRE-TRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE
>
The greatest importance of the false pre-trib rapture doctrine...
...is it failure!
When the Fourth Seal is opened, and the First Trumpet Sounds,
When The beasts Kingdom rises,
THEN the false doctrine of the pre-trib rapture will have been
demonstrated to be a doctrine of devils, a lie of Satan.
--
Glenn
.
The year's in the wane
There is nothing adorning
The night has no eve
And the day has no morning
Old winter gives warning.
Hood
.
Ted L
wrote:
> What effect my dream has on this topic and even future events I do not
> know
> Was it just a dream of an overactive brain?
> Or was it prophetic, I do not know.
...
> This is my first response to the topic heading of your posting.
> Gladys Swager
> <snip - see posting above>
Gladys, I know you mean well but dreams are deceiving, especially when
you attempt to infer some type of extra-biblical revelation. The
fact that you were appointed a teacher should be troublesome for you
in light of 1 Timothy 2:12-14.
I think the Seventh Day Adventists vanity was started by a woman
having such delusions.
swa...@ozemail.com.au
> On Jan 3, 5:12 pm, swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
> > What effect my dream has on this topic and even future events I do not
> > know Was it just a dream of an overactive brain?
> > Or was it prophetic, I do not know.
> ...
> Gladys, I know you mean well but dreams are deceiving, especially when
> you attempt to infer some type of extra-biblical revelation. The
> fact that you were appointed a teacher should be troublesome for you
> in light of 1 Timothy 2:12-14.
>
I did teach in the Public school system. and I have also taught
children in Sunday Schools.
> I think the Seventh Day Adventists vanity was started by a woman
> having such delusions.
Yes, that is right. I doubt that Ellen White was of the opinion that
she
was 'delusional' .
But I have no intention of starting a Christian denomination.
I am more interested in encourgaing Christians to come to a consenus
concerning beliefs - basic concepts of the Christian faith.
However, Paul expressed a personal decision in the above verses.
In the context of daily life nearly two thousand years ago most
women had large families and it would have been difficult to be
involved
in Christian ministry. I am aware that Paul gave reasons for his
statement from the Genesis 1 - 3 account.
How does Galations 3 : 26 - 29 relate to the issue of women in
ministry
in today's world?
Gladys Swager
Ted L
wrote:
...
> I did teach in the Public school system. and I have also taught
> children in Sunday Schools.
I stand corrected. I was imagining a m/f Adult Sunday-type School.
> However, Paul expressed a personal decision in the above verses.
> In the context of daily life nearly two thousand years ago most
> women had large families and it would have been difficult to be
> involved
> in Christian ministry. I am aware that Paul gave reasons for his
> statement from the Genesis 1 - 3 account.
You've just answered the challenge of temporal relevancy. Women are
deceived by Satan in ways that men aren't, and 2000 nor 6000 years has
changed that--Ellen White (and the Usenet user "Donna Kupp" for that
matter) and her apostasy is a good example.
> How does Galations 3 : 26 - 29 relate to the issue of women in
> ministry
> in today's world?
> Gladys Swager
I think it means you are counted among the children of God, to be
thankful for all the spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
but not qualified in all roles in the church and workings of
ministry. A divorced man can't be an Elder, so it's not just a
restriction of gender. We should all be evangelists. It also says in
Titus 2 for mature women to teach the younger: "The aged women
likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false
accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they
may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love
their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good,
obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not
blasphemed."
Nancy Lee Demoss is a radio personality here in the states on
Christian Radio that runs a women's ministry, but men do tune in. My
point being is that she does follow the biblical precept of not
preaching/teaching/addressing men, and her ministry has been richly
blessed in ways she probably didn't imagine.
swa...@ozemail.com.au
> On Jan 4, 8:37 pm, swa...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
>
> > I did teach in the Public school system. and I have also taught
> > children in Sunday Schools.
>
> I stand corrected. I was imagining a m/f Adult Sunday-type School.
>
in
churches - the first happened in cicumstances with a Probability
rating of close to zero. ie God's decision!
> > However, Paul expressed a personal decision in the above verses.
> > In the context of daily life nearly two thousand years ago most
> > women had large families and it would have been difficult to be
> > involved
> > in Christian ministry. I am aware that Paul gave reasons for his
> > statement from the Genesis 1 - 3 account.
>
> You've just answered the challenge of temporal relevancy. Women are
> deceived by Satan in ways that men aren't, and 2000 nor 6000 years has
> changed that--Ellen White (and the Usenet user "Donna Kupp" for that
> matter) and her apostasy is a good example.
>
And men are not deceived by Satan???
Sixty years ago went naively into an adult world
in which men knew how to manipulate for their own advantage even
AFTER
they were in error and had skills of manipulation to put the blame on
others. .
> > How does Galations 3 : 26 - 29 relate to the issue of women in
> > ministry in today's world?
>
> I think it means you are counted among the children of God, to be
> thankful for all the spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
> but not qualified in all roles in the church and workings of
> ministry. A divorced man can't be an Elder, so it's not just a
> restriction of gender. We should all be evangelists. It also says in
> Titus 2 for mature women to teach the younger: "The aged women
> likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false
> accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they
> may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love
> their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good,
> obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not
> blasphemed."
>
> Nancy Lee Demoss is a radio personality here in the states on
> Christian Radio that runs a women's ministry, but men do tune in. My
> point being is that she does follow the biblical precept of not
> preaching/teaching/addressing men, and her ministry has been richly
> blessed in ways she probably didn't imagine.
And I can witness through these newsgroups.
Consider the changed world to what it was 2000 years ago.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
>On Jan 4, 8:37�pm, "s...@ozemail.com.au" <swa...@ozemail.com.au>
>wrote:
>...
>> I did teach in the Public school system. and I have also taught
>> children in Sunday Schools.
>
>I stand corrected. I was imagining a m/f Adult Sunday-type School.
>
>> However, Paul expressed a personal decision in the above verses.
>> In the context of daily life nearly two thousand years ago most
>> women had large families and it would have been difficult to be
>> involved
>> in Christian ministry. I am aware that Paul gave reasons for his
>> statement from the Genesis 1 - 3 account.
>
>You've just answered the challenge of temporal relevancy. Women are
>deceived by Satan in ways that men aren't,
Do you think God knows he made men and women's brains differently?
Did God design Satan so that he could deceive men and women equally?
>and 2000 nor 6000 years has
>changed that--Ellen White (and the Usenet user "Donna Kupp" for that
>matter) and her apostasy is a good example.
>
>> How does Galations 3 : 26 - 29 relate to the issue of women in
>> ministry
>> in today's world?
>> Gladys Swager
>
>I think it means you are counted among the children of God, to be
>thankful for all the spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
>but not qualified in all roles in the church and workings of
>ministry.
God was created by a very male oriented society so it is natural for
them to give God their own characteristics.
>A divorced man can't be an Elder, so it's not just a
>restriction of gender. We should all be evangelists. It also says in
>Titus 2 for mature women to teach the younger: "The aged women
>likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false
>accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they
>may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love
>their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good,
>obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not
>blasphemed."
Is it blasphemy to quote bible passages that show God in a bad light?
>Nancy Lee Demoss is a radio personality here in the states on
>Christian Radio that runs a women's ministry, but men do tune in. My
>point being is that she does follow the biblical precept of not
>preaching/teaching/addressing men, and her ministry has been richly
>blessed in ways she probably didn't imagine.
I wonder why God doesn't bless everyone all the time.
Barry
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Ted L
wrote:
> And men are not deceived by Satan???
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
transgression." (1 Timothy 2:14)
In contrast, Men are blinded by Satan through their unbelief. (2 Cor
4:4) We're all tempted (1 Th 3:5). Take God's word for it.