Game: God is no Jumping Jack!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Go to -->
http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com
and read the Bible verse in the box there, come back and post it here.
The first of you has won the race. :-)
He or she will be allowed to post one post without my comment. ;-)
Jesus is LORD!
r m
wrote:
Under the subheading Salvation, repentance and baptism are given
countenance as we read: "We believe the terms of salvation are
repentance toward God for sin and a personal, heartfelt faith in the
Lord Jesus Christ. This is how the new birth occurs, which we call
being 'born again' ... water baptism should immediately follow the
experience of the new birth as a public witness to one's faith."
I wonder how that accords with the following observation? -
"Today, people mostly put misplaced trust in two things: repentance
and baptism. Both repentance and baptism
should definitely be done, but must never be trusted in for salvation.
"
"Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who
understands obtain guidance."
rm
Barry OGrady
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>For those who believe that the Lord is just a Jumping Jack -->
>
>Go to -->
>
>http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com
>and read the Bible verse in the box there, come back and post it here.
>The first of you has won the race. :-)
That through death (Jesus) destroyed him that had the power of death,
that is, God Hebrews 2:14b
>He or she will be allowed to post one post without my comment. ;-)
So Jesus destroyed God?
>Jesus is LORD!
Jesus is LARD!
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r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Under the subheading Salvation, repentance and baptism are given
> countenance as we read: "We believe the terms of salvation are
> repentance toward God for sin and a personal, heartfelt faith in the
> Lord Jesus Christ. This is how the new birth occurs, which we call
> being 'born again' ... water baptism should immediately follow the
> experience of the new birth as a public witness to one's faith."
That quote does not claim that water baptism is a term of
salvation, but that it is an act that _should_ follow as a
witness to one's faith.
> I wonder how that accords with the following observation? -
>
> "Today, people mostly put misplaced trust in two things: repentance
> and baptism. Both repentance and baptism
> should definitely be done, but must never be trusted in for salvation.
> "
As for repentance, I've already answered that several times:
Some try to make repentance a separate step in salvation, as
if it means God requires the person to help pay for their sins
by feeling very sorry for them, or by reforming their life.
Such an understanding, clearly fails to trust in Christ alone
for salvation, as it implies His payment for our sin was not
enough, and that now we must somehow make up the difference by
changing our behavior.
However, it is simply impossible for an unsaved person, in
their fallen, spiritually powerless state, to walk in
obedience to God. The natural man is at enmity with God, and
cannot subject himself to His will (Romans 8:7). Living a
yielded life requires the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit
(Romans 6), and is a constant struggle, even for the
spiritually empowered believer (Romans 7).
Ephesians 2 and Galatians clearly condemns any such attempt by
man, to add his merits to the finished work of Christ, as a
false gospel which will result in eternal damnation. This is
the view which I believe Frank correctly condemns, which is
that salvation is _not_ by faith in Christ, plus your
"repentance".
Biblical repentance, however, is not a separate step from
saving faith in Christ alone, but is the other side of the
same coin. It is a 180 degree change of mind about Christ and
your sin. Just as by the single act of turning _to_ God, the
Thessalonians simultaneously turned _from_ their idols (1
Thess. 1:9), so the one who trusts in Christ alone for
salvation, has thereby turned away from confidence in every
other payment for their sin.
With regard to salvation, no one can believe Christ died for
their sins, without also simultaneously agreeing they are a
sinner. That 180 degree change of mind about both our sin,
and Christ's payment for it, is the repentance by which God
effects our salvation. They are "two sides of the same coin".
With regard to our _fellowship_ with God, however, 1 John 1
plainly states, "if we confess our sins...He is faithful and
just to forgive them, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
God can justly forgive our sins, by virtue of the fact Christ
has satisfied all His righteous demands against them (1 John
2:1ff.)
That doesn't mean we lose our salvation until we confess our
sins, but that as believers, we are walking out of fellowship
with God until we change our mind, and agree with Him we've
sinned.
Biblical repentance, then, is involved both in salvation and
restored fellowship with God, but it is not a step of personal
merit we can add to the finished work of Christ. It is simply
that through the single means of faith in Christ's payment for
our sin, we thereby agree we have sinned, and turn to His
atonement from every other confidence. Faith and repentance
are two sides of the same coin.
--
Have you heard Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him
from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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> For those who believe that the Lord is just a Jumping Jack -->
Obviously referring to Vera Six & Randy Young � who think God MUST obey how
they interpret the man-made bible!
For a better game you can DRESS UP JESUS in a WIZARED OF OZ costume. Vera
Six & Randy Young � play "let's pretend" games about Jesus with every inane
post they spaltter on newsgroups daily. Now you can dress up the "Let's
Pretend" Jesus that they call "lord" and make your very own crucifix to
display your "Let's Pretend Jesus" to the world.
http://www.jesusdressup.com/oz.html
Obviously Vera Six prefers Jesus dressed up as the Wicked Witch.
Obviously Randy Young � prefers Jesus dressed up as the brainless Scarecrow.
Obviously their "lord" is the "great and powerful Oz".
--
"All things are probable. Try to believe. Really! Try to believe even if
it's bloody stupid and irrational. Why? Because I said so, that's why!
Don't ask questions. Just believe." - Mark 17: 1- 3 (MTV)
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9dcf827a-5db3-427d...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com
> On Jan 3, 6:16 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-l...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> For those who believe that the Lord is just a Jumping Jack -->
>>
>> Go to -->
>>
>> http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com
>> and read the Bible verse in the box there, come back and post it
>> here. The first of you has won the race. :-)
>>
>> He or she will be allowed to post one post without my comment. ;-)
>>
>> Jesus is LORD!
>
> Under the subheading Salvation, repentance and baptism are given
> countenance as we read: "We believe the terms of salvation are
> repentance toward God for sin and a personal, heartfelt faith in the
> Lord Jesus Christ. This is how the new birth occurs, which we call
> being 'born again' ... water baptism should immediately follow the
> experience of the new birth as a public witness to one's faith."
That was not the correct answer, Roy, so I may answer your post... :-)
Sorry, I cannot find the link to that to check it out on
http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com, but I would agree. Repentance is worked by
faith, however, and is no action that could be deliberately done by a
human. The Holy Spirit works it - after God elected someone. Then God
usually leaves it up to this person to put his or her trust in Him or
not. If people trust in the Lord, they want to do His will - and so they
get baptised. A believer usually *wants* to be baptised and does not
have to be convinced of it. I do not think people should be baptised if
they were just convinced to do so by the family or friends.
> I wonder how that accords with the following observation? -
>
> "Today, people mostly put misplaced trust in two things: repentance
> and baptism. Both repentance and baptism
> should definitely be done, but must never be trusted in for salvation.
> "
Correct! Very well explained!!! Could you please give me the link for
that on the page http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com? I would like to see this
in context.
You see, you can see that from two perspectives... Same coin, two sides.
One side is the individual. The individual should put all his or her
trust in Jesus Christ and nothing or nobody else! If he or she does so,
the Holy Spirit works repentance in people, and they have the longing to
please God, to do His will. Baptism usually follows this after a deep
longing for it.
> "Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who
> understands obtain guidance."
Correct! And where was that taken from? I think I have read it in the
Bible somewhere already... Please help me out.
> rm
A Happy New Year!
Jesus is LORD!
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> On Sun, 01/03/10, at 2:45:42AM,
> r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Under the subheading Salvation, repentance and baptism are given
>> countenance as we read: "We believe the terms of salvation are
>> repentance toward God for sin and a personal, heartfelt faith in the
>> Lord Jesus Christ. This is how the new birth occurs, which we call
>> being 'born again' ... water baptism should immediately follow the
>> experience of the new birth as a public witness to one's faith."
>
>
> That quote does not claim that water baptism is a term of
> salvation, but that it is an act that _should_ follow as a
> witness to one's faith.
Well said, Randy.
Exactly. Funny that I used the same term although I had not read your
post yet before now. :-)
> With regard to our _fellowship_ with God, however, 1 John 1
> plainly states, "if we confess our sins...He is faithful and
> just to forgive them, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
> God can justly forgive our sins, by virtue of the fact Christ
> has satisfied all His righteous demands against them (1 John
> 2:1ff.)
>
> That doesn't mean we lose our salvation until we confess our
> sins, but that as believers, we are walking out of fellowship
> with God until we change our mind, and agree with Him we've
> sinned.
>
> Biblical repentance, then, is involved both in salvation and
> restored fellowship with God, but it is not a step of personal
> merit we can add to the finished work of Christ. It is simply
> that through the single means of faith in Christ's payment for
> our sin, we thereby agree we have sinned, and turn to His
> atonement from every other confidence. Faith and repentance
> are two sides of the same coin.
Very true. And excellently explained. Thank you, Randy!
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udm0k5hrh5cefve4k...@4ax.com
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:16:44 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> For those who believe that the Lord is just a Jumping Jack -->
>>
>> Go to -->
>>
>> http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com
>> and read the Bible verse in the box there, come back and post it
>> here. The first of you has won the race. :-)
>
> That through death (Jesus) destroyed him that had the power of death,
> that is, God Hebrews 2:14b
Ha, ha, the time shift... When I posted this game based on the website
http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com, I was several hours behind. :-) So you
posted the right verse, in which someone made the mistake to leave a
word out. It should have read
"...That through death he (Jesus) destroyed him that had the power of
death, that is, the devil" Hebrews 2:14b
They wanted to explain who was meant by "he", but replaced it by what
they ionserted in brackets. A true case for Barry o'Grady.
I think it is good to know that the "power of death" comes from the
devil, and not from God, for God is life.
>> He or she will be allowed to post one post without my comment. ;-)
>
> So Jesus destroyed God?
No.
But since you won, you can write one post after this without a comment
by me. :-)
Congratulation!
Now give your best, and just let it all out! lol We are all thrilled
already.
>> Jesus is LORD!
[snip]
> =-=-=
> Barry
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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Chuck
"r m" <roy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9dcf827a-5db3-427d...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
Roy: Under the subheading Salvation, repentance and baptism are given
countenance as we read: "We believe the terms of salvation are
repentance toward God for sin and a personal, heartfelt faith in the
Lord Jesus Christ. This is how the new birth occurs, which we call
being 'born again' ... water baptism should immediately follow the
experience of the new birth as a public witness to one's faith."
I wonder how that accords with the following observation? -
"Today, people mostly put misplaced trust in two things: repentance
and baptism. Both repentance and baptism
should definitely be done, but must never be trusted in for salvation.
"
First of all, since you don't cite your sources, and no one has all the
authoritative sources in Christendom memorized, it's an open question
whether they require reconciliation for the Christian.
However, since they can be reconciled without too much problem here it is:
Jesus is the Root and Offspring of David; the True Vine from which all
branches grow up to God; the Bread of Life that strengths and builds up. He
is therefore the base out of which repentance (change of heart toward God)
and baptism ( the first of the good works in obeying the new Divine love
that has come to inhabit the changed heart) grow. He is the REASON for
repentance and baptism. If we were to put this into a logical context, He
is the propositions entailing the propositions of repentance and baptism in
that His Truth logically determines theirs. Faith, repentance, and baptism
are things that HAPPEN to the one who hears the knock and opens the door a
crack to see who it is.
Once that door is opened, even a crack, life is never the same, either for
the elect or the lost.
Roy: "Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who
understands obtain guidance."
Chuck: Amen.
Barry OGrady
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Barry OGrady god_fre...@hotmail.com wrote in
>udm0k5hrh5cefve4k...@4ax.com
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 08:16:44 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For those who believe that the Lord is just a Jumping Jack -->
>>>
>>> Go to -->
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com
>>> and read the Bible verse in the box there, come back and post it
>>> here. The first of you has won the race. :-)
>>
>> That through death (Jesus) destroyed him that had the power of death,
>> that is, God Hebrews 2:14b
>
>Ha, ha, the time shift... When I posted this game based on the website
>http://bit.ly/Bible-dot-com, I was several hours behind. :-) So you
>posted the right verse, in which someone made the mistake to leave a
>word out. It should have read
>
>"...That through death he (Jesus) destroyed him that had the power of
>death, that is, the devil" Hebrews 2:14b
I corrected it since the bible makes it clear death came from God.
>They wanted to explain who was meant by "he", but replaced it by what
>they ionserted in brackets. A true case for Barry o'Grady.
>
>I think it is good to know that the "power of death" comes from the
>devil, and not from God, for God is life.
That's not true. Everything, including the devil, came from God.
The devil can do nothing unless God gives him the power.
Thus all responsibility comes back to God.
>>> He or she will be allowed to post one post without my comment. ;-)
>>
>> So Jesus destroyed God?
>
>No.
The power of death is with God, so if Hebrews 2:14 is correct Jesus
must have destroyed God.
>But since you won, you can write one post after this without a comment
>by me. :-)
>
>Congratulation!
>
>Now give your best, and just let it all out! lol We are all thrilled
>already.
Isn't pride a sin?
>>> Jesus is LORD!
>
>[snip]
>
>> =-=-=
>> Barry
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Barry
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