Whom have we, Lord, like you
holy...@wondering.com
Wakeful who slept, The Pure One who was baptized, the Living One who
died, The King who abased himself to ensure honor for all. Blessed is
your honor!
It is right that man should acknowledge your divinity, It is right for
heavenly beings to worship your humanity. The heavenly beings were
amazed to see how small you became, And earthly ones to see how
exalted."
St. Ephrem the Syrian
"I will praise You with my whole heart; Before the gods I will sing
praises to You. I will worship toward Your holy temple." Psalms 138:1-2
Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
Bob Young
On 1/2/10 9:44 PM, in article
4b3f4da6$0$11057$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
> "Whom have we, Lord, like you?
Too bad The Syrian was not as dedicated to the truth as he was to an
imaginary god. He might then have asked himself whether it was right and
proper to inculcate his eager listeners, before trotting out unproven claims
- The Great One who became small,
I wonder what he meant by that ?
the
> Wakeful who slept, The Pure One who was baptized, the Living One who
> died, The King who abased himself to ensure honor for all. Blessed is
> your honor!
>
> It is right that man should acknowledge your divinity, It is right for
> heavenly beings to worship your humanity. The heavenly beings were
> amazed to see how small you became, And earthly ones to see how
> exalted."
The Syrian was on pretty safe ground mentioning Heaven in those days, since
100% of his listeners would be imagining heaven as 'just above the clouds'
where today we fly commercial jets.
Even Angels could be mentioned in those times. Females with wings attached
to their shoulders. Could anything be more primitive, ridiculous or
childish. We don't hear much about Angels these days from preachers - I
wonder why ?
>
> St. Ephrem the Syrian
>
> "I will praise You with my whole heart; Before the gods I will sing
> praises to You. I will worship toward Your holy temple." Psalms 138:1-2
Indeed - exactly what those attending wanted and needed to hear. Religions
can be so silly.
>
> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
I think it is 'his' responsibility to make that possible. Try as hard as I
can, so far there has been no reaction. Talking to the trees may well be
more productive.
Why is god referred to as a 'He' ?
Easy. When the myths were concocted a thousand or so years back the male
sex was fully in charge, much as they still are today in The Middle East, so
what else would their god be called but a 'He'
Draw nigh to a god when that god has made itself known to you in no
uncertain terms.
Have a good week
Bob
Bob Young
On 1/2/10 9:44 PM, in article
4b3f4da6$0$11057$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
> "Whom have we, Lord, like you? - The Great One who became small, the
> Wakeful who slept, The Pure One who was baptized, the Living One who
> died, The King who abased himself to ensure honor for all. Blessed is
> your honor!
>
> It is right that man should acknowledge your divinity, It is right for
> heavenly beings to worship your humanity. The heavenly beings were
> amazed to see how small you became, And earthly ones to see how
> exalted."
I doubt back in those days the good Ephrem thought that everything he
claimed was gospel, as indeed he had been taught, not realising of course
that he was spouting a catalogue of unproven claims -
IOW - falsehoods.
But today is today . . . . so you H.F. should know better.
Have you no shame posting this unverifiable stuff ? Or is it simply
calculated to perpetuate the myth ?
>
> St. Ephrem the Syrian
>
> "I will praise You with my whole heart; Before the gods I will sing
> praises to You. I will worship toward Your holy temple." Psalms 138:1-2
>
> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should wish
to remain indescernable.
Perhaps I am too logical and not inclined to be conned by other humans.
To each his own I suppose. I prefer my approach though - at least it is
honest.
Cheers
Paul Horton
> claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should wish
> to remain indescernable.
>
> Perhaps I am too logical and not inclined to be conned by other humans.
>
> To each his own I suppose. I prefer my approach though - at least it is
> honest.
>
> Cheers
He remains indescernable to test the hearts of man. Truth is not
indescernable. We read: "And without faith it is impossible to please
God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and
that he rewards those who earnestly seek him" (Heb 11:16).
The day will come when faith will not exist. Trust will one day
fade. Debate will vaporize. Lies and unbelief will become obsolete
and rediculous. All that is not God will become indescernable. What
the world holds dear will become a death trap to those who hold them.
Then we will see Him as He is. This is the time of testing. The test
will conclude. You can believe as you wish. A car speeding toward a
dead end while the driver ignores warnings does not remove the obvious
results.
We who believe in God feel a burning need to voice our understanding
to an unbelieving world. Not because we are right and pure, but
because He is right and pure. And as long as the Lord of Glory allows
me to think and communicate in this world, I'll keep responding to any
who do not agree with Him. Life on earth and in this body is a dead
end. The Spirit of God living in His people is an open highway. If
what we proport seems a lie to you it's quite probable that you don't
know Him. That's not a judgment, rather a warning of a dead end
approaching.
"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that
they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is
the image of God" (2 Corinthians 4:3-5). You're driving blind. And
you don't even know it. You think you're on a highway, while you
ignore the screams of passers by.
By His Grace.
Ted L
>>I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
>>claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should wish
>>to remain indescernable.
...
Amen to everything, including the charity of your misspelling if that
was the reason for it.
holy...@wondering.com
claimed was gospel, as indeed he had been taught, not realising of
course that he was spouting a catalogue of unproven claims -"
Then you should be prepared to "prove" your assertion, or be painted
with the same brush. IOW - falsehoods.
> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
"I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should
wish to remain indescernable."
But He did not, He came to us in the person of Christ, not to mention
having spoken, not always in words, in many ways to others
"Perhaps I am too logical and not inclined to be conned by other humans.
To each his own I suppose. I prefer my approach though - at least it is
honest."
Not as has been demonstrated in these news groups, you by your own words
condemn by them.
Logic is not your strong suite and your placement as a follower not a
leader of independent thought well demonstrated. You confuse "honest"
with refusing to see your shortcomings in which you take false comfort.
holy...@wondering.com
"I think it is 'his' responsibility to make that possible. Try as hard
as I can, so far there has been no reaction. Talking to the trees may
well be more productive.
Draw nigh to a god when that god has made itself known to you in no
uncertain terms."
Pray that He be known to you , what have you to lose? Perhaps He has,
and you cann't see what is right before you. Trees, glorious things
indeed, recalling the poem; "only God can make a tree".
Snip
Have a good week
Bob Young
On 1/4/10 8:27 PM, in article
4b41deb3$0$11059$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
> "I doubt back in those days the good Ephrem thought that everything he
> claimed was gospel, as indeed he had been taught, not realising of
> course that he was spouting a catalogue of unproven claims -"
>
> Then you should be prepared to "prove" your assertion, or be painted
> with the same brush. IOW - falsehoods.
>
>> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
>
> "I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
> claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should
> wish to remain indescernable."
>
> But He did not, He came to us in the person of Christ, not to mention
> having spoken, not always in words, in many ways to others
Prove it. He sent his son did he ? A son of a god who did miracles, saw
one poor cripple in the street and said "Take up thy bed and walk" and he
did - Right ?
As the son of a god he could have cured every cripple on the planet.
Pointing directly as it does to WHAT ?
Well you know of course . . . . . . m y t h o g y
Now prove that your Jesus existed without using that old book written by
near primitives. Prove it if you can without using The Bible, a book the
origins of which cannot be proven
If you cannot prove it then ask yourself 'How come his dad allowed him to be
so obscure ?
Maybe it was all made up by early simple folk - folk a little like you for
example.
I know you like the old stuff, like saints an all,
so this should interest you:
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor
immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both
philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of
faith."
[Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei]
High Miles
Even one course in comparative religions demonstrates their hypocrisy.
The blue lady worship for example.
Did their christ EVER tell them to pray to her ? Or how about making
local saints and praying to them ? Did their savior suggest that ?
Oh - and were his followers commanded to celebrate his birth........
..........on a pagan god's holiday ?
What a bunch !
Bob Young
On 1/4/10 8:27 PM, in article
4b41deb3$0$11059$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
> "I doubt back in those days the good Ephrem thought that everything he
> claimed was gospel, as indeed he had been taught, not realising of
> course that he was spouting a catalogue of unproven claims -"
>
> Then you should be prepared to "prove" your assertion, or be painted
> with the same brush. IOW - falsehoods.
>
>> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
>
> "I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
> claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should
> wish to remain indescernable."
>
> But He did not, He came to us in the person of Christ, not to mention
> having spoken, not always in words, in many ways to others
That old book of fables that you use whenever it suits you, clearly claims
that 'He' did.
Bob Young
On 1/4/10 9:08 PM, in article
4b41e84f$0$11059$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
>> Draw nigh unto God and He will draw nigh unto you.
>
> "I think it is 'his' responsibility to make that possible. Try as hard
> as I can, so far there has been no reaction. Talking to the trees may
> well be more productive.
>
> Draw nigh to a god when that god has made itself known to you in no
> uncertain terms."
>
>
> Pray that He be known to you , what have you to lose?
My sanity and self respect ?
holy...@wondering.com
>
> "I think it is 'his' responsibility to make that possible. Try as
hard
> as I can, so far there has been no reaction. Talking to the trees may
> well be more productive.
>
> Draw nigh to a god when that god has made itself known to you in no
> uncertain terms."
>
>
> Pray that He be known to you , what have you to lose?
"
Yes, vanity is a great barrier we throw up to God. Sanity is not
increased when we hide our heads in the sand. "My sanity and self
respect ?
Perhaps He has,
> and you cann't see what is right before you. Trees, glorious things
> indeed, recalling the poem; "only God can make a tree".
>
> Snip
>
> Have a good week
And you as well.
holy...@wondering.com
is
> claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it,
should
> wish to remain indescernable."
>
> But He did not, He came to us in the person of Christ, not to mention
> having spoken, not always in words, in many ways to others
"That old book of fables that you use whenever it suits you, clearly
claims that 'He' did."
Not sure what this says. The very thing you seek is found in the person
of Christ, He was here as a direct revelation. What you think of
scripture is quite irrelevant isn't it? It always suits me, not sure to
what you refer?
holy...@wondering.com
Pointing directly as it does to WHAT ?
Well you know of course . . . . . . m y t h o g y"
No, I know no such thing. Your logic continues flawed. We can not know
why He did not cure everyone. His curing was said to be secondary as a
demonstration, more of a teaching approach really . His role to make a
way for reunion with the divine was the primary role.
"Now prove that your Jesus existed without using that old book written
by near primitives. Prove it if you can without using The Bible, a book
the origins of which cannot be proven
If you cannot prove it then ask yourself 'How come his dad allowed him
to be so obscure ?
Maybe it was all made up by early simple folk - folk a little like you
for example."
Your logic is all over the place. Is this the vaunted "common sense" of
which you are so proud? He is perhaps the most widely know person in
all of history, regardless of what tools of recording and recalling His
life are used. One might consider that most humans who came to believe
did so and not being able to have acces to books or even be literate.
"I know you like the old stuff, like saints an all, so this should
interest you:"
But it is of the current moment also, it is a continuing thing not only
of the past. "
"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor
immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both
philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of
faith." [Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei]"
Sure, it is interesting and anyone who studies the history of the
development of science in the west knows of it. So what?
All people who followed this and developed the idea associated with it
were peopele of faith. Newton for example wrote more of religious
themes then he did of physics. So once again, so what?
Thommadura
>> I find it hard to understand or accept that an all powerful god that is
>> claimed to have created the entire universe and we humans in it, should wish
>> to remain indescernable.
>>
>> Perhaps I am too logical and not inclined to be conned by other humans.
>>
>> To each his own I suppose. I prefer my approach though - at least it is
>> honest.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> He remains indescernable to test the hearts of man. Truth is not
> indescernable.
Truth is something that is PROVEN to be factual
No gods are proven to be so - that you call a god a he has NOT been
establised - for instance
If you were HONEST - you would admit they are not more than belief.
Bob Young
On 1/5/10 9:01 PM, in article
4b433816$0$11061$1c46...@news.club.cc.cmu.edu, "holy...@wondering.com"
<holy...@wondering.com> wrote:
> "As the son of a god he could have cured every cripple on the planet.
>
> Pointing directly as it does to WHAT ?
>
> Well you know of course . . . . . . m y t h o g y"
>
> No, I know no such thing. Your logic continues flawed. We can not know
> why He did not cure everyone. His curing was said to be secondary as a
> demonstration, more of a teaching approach really . His role to make a
> way for reunion with the divine was the primary role.
Neat
>
> "Now prove that your Jesus existed without using that old book written
> by near primitives. Prove it if you can without using The Bible, a book
> the origins of which cannot be proven
>
> If you cannot prove it then ask yourself 'How come his dad allowed him
> to be so obscure ?
>
> Maybe it was all made up by early simple folk - folk a little like you
> for example."
>
> Your logic is all over the place.
Which is more than we can say for your proofs. Each time you are asked you
dance around
Neat
Is this the vaunted "common sense" of
> which you are so proud? He is perhaps the most widely know person in
> all of history,
That means nothing and you know it. Humanity is full of imaginary heroes
regardless of what tools of recording and recalling His
> life are used. One might consider that most humans who came to believe
> did so and not being able to have acces to books or even be literate.
>
> "I know you like the old stuff, like saints an all, so this should
> interest you:"
>
> But it is of the current moment also, it is a continuing thing not only
> of the past. "
>
> "The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor
> immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both
> philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of
> faith." [Catholic Church's decision against Galileo Galilei]"
>
> Sure, it is interesting and anyone who studies the history of the
> development of science in the west knows of it. So what?
>
> All people who followed this and developed the idea associated with it
> were peopele of faith. Newton for example wrote more of religious
> themes then he did of physics. So once again, so what?
In Newton's day everyone of stature HAD to toe the religious line,
exceptions were unheard of. I was educated at the same school as Newton, by
the way. And even in my time we were all marched over to St. Wolfram's
church once a week for church service. First we were required to swear our
belief in The Creed [criminal since it is 80% mythology]. Then we were
asked to pray for 'victory for our brave soldiers fighting the Germans and
Italians at the front'. I once thought how silly this was, since all the
German and Italian school kids would be doing exactly the same - only this
time for victory over us - the Allies !
In Newton's day any anti religious type would still be looked upon as a
candidate for being burned alive.
Thank goodness we have come a long way since then.
Today the majority of atheists come from the sciences, as would be expected.