Through Christ, you can be a Winner! (A gospel tract for teens)
Ted L
This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of the
need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
<�\FTL138><
--
Tumults suffered by obedient, Bible-believing Christians:
(John 15:18-19)
Loss of property, wealth.(Mat 4:8-10; Luke 4:5-7)
Loss of physical comforts (Luke 9:58, Matthew 27:34)
Loss of health (Luke 23:26)
Physical injury (John 19:11)
Torture (John 19:2, Mark 15:25)
Persecution (Matthew 27:1)
Imprisonment (Matthew 26:57)
Loss of physical freedom (Mark 14:26)
Abandonment by friends (Mark 14:50; Luke 22:61-62)
and family (Mat 10:34-37)
Mockings (Matthew 7:41-44)
Scoffings (Matthew 27:39-40)
Spittings (Matthew 26:67; 27:30)
Workplace discrimination (Matthew 27:1)
Ostracism (Matthew 27:25)
False accusations (Luke 23:2)
Humiliations (Matthew 27:29)
Martyrdom (Matthew 27:50)
(..Matt B...
wrote:
>http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>
>This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of the
>need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
><�\FTL138><
That is a very good message in that cartoon
Thanks and God Bless
Matt
Barry OGrady
There is a far better message here;
>Thanks and God Bless
Why doesn't God bless us all continuously?
>Matt
Barry
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> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010, "(..Matt B..." wrote:
> >On Sun, 03 Jan 2010, "Ted L" wrote:
>
> >>http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>
> >>This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of the
> >>need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
> >><°\FTL138><
>
> >That is a very good message in that cartoon
>
> There is a far better message here;
>
> >Thanks and God Bless
>
> Why doesn't God bless us all continuously?
>
God
in faith.
For by grace arre we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves,
it is the gift of God.
Not of works. lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son
that whoever believes in Him should not perish,
but have Everlasting Life John 3 : 16
That is the point you are at in respect of the Christian faith.
You need to make the decision to ask Jesus to forgive you
and He will, and to accept Him as your Saviour. ie to give you
Eternal Life which starts from the time you make that decision
and goes on through all Eternity.
Gladys Swager
::: Jesus is LORD :::
WY60n.3997$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net
> http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>
> This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of
> the need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
> <�\FTL138><
Thank you, dear Ted! Yes, Jesus Christ can break chains open. Sin does
not only hurt God, but our neighbors in most cases as well.
> --
> Tumults suffered by obedient, Bible-believing Christians:
> (John 15:18-19)
>
> Loss of property, wealth.(Mat 4:8-10; Luke 4:5-7)
> Loss of physical comforts (Luke 9:58, Matthew 27:34)
> Loss of health (Luke 23:26)
> Physical injury (John 19:11)
> Torture (John 19:2, Mark 15:25)
> Persecution (Matthew 27:1)
> Imprisonment (Matthew 26:57)
> Loss of physical freedom (Mark 14:26)
> Abandonment by friends (Mark 14:50; Luke 22:61-62)
> and family (Mat 10:34-37)
> Mockings (Matthew 7:41-44)
> Scoffings (Matthew 27:39-40)
> Spittings (Matthew 26:67; 27:30)
> Workplace discrimination (Matthew 27:1)
> Ostracism (Matthew 27:25)
> False accusations (Luke 23:2)
> Humiliations (Matthew 27:29)
> Martyrdom (Matthew 27:50)
Thanks for these reminders, too. We like to forget that too often, but
it would help us to deal with things. Our time on earth is limited, and
there is nothing more important for us to grow and stay in Christ and
accept what we get, good or bad, and for others that we spread the
Gospel.
God Bless You,
Vera
Barry OGrady
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Ted L spamta...@gmail.com wrote in
>WY60n.3997$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net
>> http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>>
>> This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of
>> the need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
>> <�\FTL138><
>
>Thank you, dear Ted! Yes, Jesus Christ can break chains open.
God can sure make those chains!
>Sin does not only hurt God, but our neighbors in most cases as well.
Its funny that God hurts himself as well as us.
Its important we prevent you from spreading your lies and filth.
>God Bless You,
You wish!
>Vera
=-=-=
Barry
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
Barry OGrady
>On Jan 4, 9:04�am, Barry OGrady wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010, "(..Matt B..." wrote:
>> >On Sun, 03 Jan 2010, "Ted L" wrote:
>>
>> >>http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>>
>> >>This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of the
>> >>need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
>> >><�\FTL138><
>>
>> >That is a very good message in that cartoon
>>
>> There is a far better message here;
>> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=video_result&ct=res&c...
>>
>> >Thanks and God Bless
>>
>> Why doesn't God bless us all continuously?
>>
>Barry, How can you expect God's blessing when you will not submit to
>God in faith.
If God is truly a God of love he will do whatever it takes to ensure all
creatures are healthy and happy at all times.
>For by grace arre we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves,
>it is the gift of God.
>Not of works. lest anyone should boast. Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
I think it was extraordinarily cruel of God to tease us with the original
creation followed by God downgrading us, (remember: I will).
It seems God is unable to relate to our condition.
>God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son
>that whoever believes in Him should not perish,
>but have Everlasting Life John 3 : 16
You still haven't explained why an almighty God needed the symbolic
act of the cross before being able to forgive us for being the way he
made us. (remember: I will)
>That is the point you are at in respect of the Christian faith.
>You need to make the decision to ask Jesus to forgive you
>and He will, and to accept Him as your Saviour. ie to give you
>Eternal Life which starts from the time you make that decision
>and goes on through all Eternity.
Will Jesus really forgive me for being the way God made me?
Shouldn't Jesus be talking to God about changing his design?
An eternity under your tyrant dictator God would be unbearable.
>Gladys Swager
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:06:13 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> Ted L spamta...@gmail.com wrote in
>> WY60n.3997$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net
>>> http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>>>
>>> This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of
>>> the need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
>>> <�\FTL138><
>>
>> Thank you, dear Ted! Yes, Jesus Christ can break chains open.
>
> God can sure make those chains!
Sure, but he could as well break up yours.
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Barry OGrady
>Barry OGrady god_fre...@hotmail.com wrote in
>6986k59ousj4jtvjv...@4ax.com
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:06:13 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ted L spamta...@gmail.com wrote in
>>> WY60n.3997$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net
>>>> http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>>>>
>>>> This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of
>>>> the need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
>>>> <�\FTL138><
>>>
>>> Thank you, dear Ted! Yes, Jesus Christ can break chains open.
>>
>> God can sure make those chains!
>
>Sure, but he could as well break up yours.
Why doesn't he?
> --
::: Jesus is LORD :::
75edk5t1qhka1ru0u...@4ax.com
Ask Him, not me. I cannot say.
r m
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:19:02 GMT, "Ted L" <spamtaddl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>
> >This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him of the
> >need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
> ><°\FTL138><
>
> That is a very good message in that cartoon
>
> Thanks and God Bless
>
> Matt
If the tract gives the impression that living a life of vice
[booze&drugs] is sin, then it seriously misses the mark IMHO.
Sin is our being out of relationship; and in the scriptures
particularly, out of relationship with our Creator. The opposite of
sin is fellowship: the opposite of God's wrath is reconciliation: the
opposite of our transgressions is our being pardoned.
I would imagine that there are many who are neither drunkards nor
druggists, yet not have an intimate relationship with the Father.
"Speak tenderly to Jerusalem, and cry to her that her warfare is
ended, that her iniquity is pardoned, that she has received from the
LORD's hand double for all her sins. " - Isa 40:2.
Cheers
r m
Barry OGrady
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Barry OGrady god_fre...@yahoo.com wrote in
>75edk5t1qhka1ru0u...@4ax.com
>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:24:37 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Barry OGrady god_fre...@hotmail.com wrote in
>>> 6986k59ousj4jtvjv...@4ax.com
>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:06:13 +0100, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>>>> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ted L spamta...@gmail.com wrote in
>>>>> WY60n.3997$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net
>>>>>> http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/tract_html/english/138_1.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This short gospel tract shows the sinner his sin and convicts him
>>>>>> of the need for a saviour, the Saviour, and our Lord Jesus.
>>>>>> <�\FTL138><
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, dear Ted! Yes, Jesus Christ can break chains open.
>>>>
>>>> God can sure make those chains!
>>>
>>> Sure, but he could as well break up yours.
>>
>> Why doesn't he?
>
>Ask Him, not me. I cannot say.
Do you know why Jesus creates chains.
>>> --
>>
>> Barry
=-=-=
Barry
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Barry OGrady
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
Why does god create evil?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these [things].
>>>> Barry
>>
>> =-=-=
::: Jesus is LORD :::
I cannot speak for God, but it is probably to separate the evil from the
good later. Afterwards the "good" is of a different quality. It is a
world of dualism that gives things their meaning. You know what good is
when you know what evil is. But in the end there will not be much room
left for the evil, and the good will remain.
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the
tree of life, and eat, and live for ever (Genesis 3:22 KJV)
> Isaiah 45:7
> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
> I the LORD do all these [things].
Correct!
>>>>> Barry
>>>
>>> =-=-=
>>> Barry
>
> =-=-=
> Barry
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
I
> I cannot speak for God
... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
Barry OGrady
Animals that have never experienced evil know what good is.
>But in the end there will not be much room
>left for the evil, and the good will remain.
That's the hope, although it can't happen without a complete change
of attitude from God.
>And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know
>good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the
>tree of life, and eat, and live for ever (Genesis 3:22 KJV)
Do you think God was afraid of losing control?
>> Isaiah 45:7
>> I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
>> I the LORD do all these [things].
>
>Correct!
>
>>>>>> Barry
>>>>
>>>> =-=-=
>>>> Barry
>>
>> =-=-=
>> Barry
>
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> I cannot speak for God
>
> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
Sure I am God's right hand.
Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well
as though any other Christian.
Better learn that:
Jesus is the Creator God, the Alpha and Omega, God
Almighty.
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in
earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or
principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Colossians
1:16-17 KJV)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation
1:8 KJV)
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great
voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the
last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven
churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto
Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and
unto Laodicea. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And
being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the
seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment
down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head
and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were
as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned
in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in
his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged
sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And
when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand
upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last
(Revelation 1:10-17 KJV)
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and
the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the
water of life freely. (Revelation 21:6 KJV)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to
the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For
without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and
idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine
angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root
and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (Revelation
22:13-16 KJV)
1x1x1=1
The Father is even greater than the Son. If you have seen the Son, you
have seen the Father.
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from
henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord,
shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I
been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he
that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew
us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but
the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am
in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very
works' sake. (John 14:7-11 KJV)
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Spirit on earth, powerful and unifying us with
the Father and the Son.
I not forger
>> ... Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>
> Sure I am God's right hand.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
This intolerant hate-filled German wench is not "God's right hand".
Vera Six does not love her neighbour.
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1
::: Jesus is LORD :::
AND IT WORKS FINE, SO ONCE AGAIN...Mark Tindall, the time has come to
ask you this:
Have you taken my shovel away from the sandy box?
If you do not give it back to me at once, I will take your building
blocks and throw them out of the window.
Jesus is LORD!
Seriously, did you know...
I not forger
<whatever>
Vera Six asked for MY private details while posing as my friend to
other people - something Vera Six seems to forget that she did !!!
In November 2003 David Matthieu posted a general request for help which
mentioned the name of my friend Woz who had been "moderated" on the
unmoderated ACC by Griz, Vera and their fundamentalist thugs. David
Matthieu spoke of the abuse and intimidation endured by my friend and fellow
CHRISTIAN ARTIST, Woz and many other Christians who were chased away from
ACC by Griz and Vera and their thugs. In 2003-2004 a number of Christians
of varying Christian traditions helped destroy the Griz cult (of which Vera
was a major member) to bring this NG back to its original intent - A FREE
UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM FOR ALL CHRISTIANS!! Though we were not an
homogenous group of Christians (we had various Christian belief from a wide
cross-section of Christianity) it was Christian unity against Griz, Vera and
their bully building team not cultish fundamentalist uniformity like Griz
and Vera demanded of others.
Rev Dr Rowland Croucher advised me against coming to ACC and told me it was
a waste of my time and talent. I ignored him. Gradually Rowland saw the
benefit in helping the Christians who had been abused by Griz and Vera and
their thugs. Rowland was joined later by Lawrence and Bradley (both from ARC
where I had been). After the destruction of the Griz cult Vera followed us
to ARC.
Various members of the Griz cult used aliases and complained to people's
ISPs ... including Vera Six . I was warned about this (and their other
intimidating tactics) in advance by a number of their victims.
Griz tried to moderate the unmoderated ACC. Vera Supported supported Griz
all the way. Google for a copy of the infamous "moderation rules and
mandate"for the unmoderated ACC written by Griz ...and NEVER legitimate.
All this may be verified by a simple Google search.
Vera Six calls me "Satan" and according to her I am not a Christian. Vera
asserts that woz is not a Christian either and helped to chase him away from
this unmoderated newsgroup. Some of the Christians chased away from ACC by
Vera and her Griz Cult include (not a full list ...there are
many more!):
- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName
- Beth
The Porn Prophet Fervent is featured at
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/info.htm#- with a "prophecy" concerning
wonderful things about the Griz Shallowship cult.
Concerning the Porn Prophet Fervent his female CHRISTIAN VICTIM stated in
December 2003:
#############################################################
... And the constant Fervent emails, I first met him years and years ago and
sometimes he would pop up in my msn, and wanted me to talk sex with him, he
is a porn addict, not converted as he says, he still does it as often as he
did before, repents and goes awhile without doing it and then does it again
and repents, a cycle. .....
#########################################################
In Fervent's OWN words ...
> >Not the least of these were and addiction to porn in my past life which
> >I stayed clear of for over four years from my infilling with the glory
and
> >light which shines from above. That was until the easy access of the
> >internet got hold of me for a season! Try as I might, it was just too
> >flashy a drawing card with just too many inadvertent "pop ups" to display
> the
> >wares! I have been delivered and I have escaped but there has been a
> >scarring of my peace and a reluctant admission before God that I am not
> >all I thought I was!
###################################################################
Concerning the Griz Shallowshipcult's lies and deceptions and attempted
alteration of history one of their previous members, and then their victim,
stated:
###################################################
....... if he really believed in God then he could never do what he has done
to people, I am not talking about the letters, lies, or manipulations or
such you see on group. I am talking about hurting people very deeply and
causing them to flee from the Lord Jesus. Once there was a lonely but very
lovely lady, we spoke in emails a lot, she left and would never come back to
acc. I think she gave up being a Christian because Griz and the crew had
told her that she showed (griz told her this first) that she showed no
evidence that the HSpirt was within her. It hurt her very badly.
This coming from a drug addict that lives like a hermit in the mountains of
Canada and works a few months out of the year picking up trash, no he is not
a camp councelor! He is a liar and a manipulator, I saw posts on google
where people all over the ng sites like Supernews and such talk about the
tyrant of ACC, he LOVEs it. :(
....
I was literally cursed at by Vera, a supposed sweet and innocent Christian.
....
Your lied about, threatened with him calling your isp and the government to
say lies about stealing identities or using your pc to gather personal info
like social security, or spreading harmful virus' and such, there are no
lengths this man won't go to. ..... He goes on and on until you get tired of
it and move on somewhere else. Or he destroyes your character online with
anyone he can email. ...I consider this man dangerous, slanderous and
harrassing! ... does he have the right to see me lied about, to slander my
good name, and harrass me .... or whatever it might be? Emphatically, NO>
..... I am glad to see you two trying to stop Griz and cohorts! Someone
needs to, Lord knows I tried but I didn't have
enough people to back me, my friends think it is a waist of time. He keeps
all letters and stuff and threatens to expose you, one of his many talents.
...... (Lord knows how many identities he and his crew have-he admitted to
me once, and so did some other of them) .....
....
#########################################################
W. Bully
" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot speak for God
>>
>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>
> Sure I am God's right hand.
>
> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well as
> though any other Christian.
Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
Amen!
Matt
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I cannot speak for God
>>
>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>
>Sure I am God's right hand.
>
>Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well
>as though any other Christian.
Your use of deception make many doubt that. That and your incorrect
eisegesis of scripture
Your a sad example of being a Christian. I'm not much better, but
have improved your not.
Matt
<wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
>" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>
>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>
>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>
>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well as
>> though any other Christian.
>
>Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
I not forger
>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>> Sure I am God's right hand.
...
> this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
Nah! You must be his anus according to the fruiot that you demonstrate.
Deepest condolences on the loss of your bowel control.
Barry OGrady
<wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
>" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>
>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>
>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>
>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well as
>> though any other Christian.
>
>Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
God is my RIGHT HAND.
Do you think God is proud?
W. Bully
"Matt" <trdel...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:03:26 -0400, "W. Bully"
> <wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>>
>>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>>
>>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>>
>>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well
>>> as
>>> though any other Christian.
>>
>>Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
>
> This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
>
> Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
You sure do talk about my "little manhood" a lot there...Matt.
All this talk about homosexuality must be stirring something in ya.
Seems you can't stay away from me, stalking me
Sorry to disappoint but I have no problem with potency you keep talking
about.
You can see a doctor if you have erectile disfunction, Matt.
But trying to "get over" it by insulting me and talking about my
"little manhood" is a cry for help.
See a doctor. I can't help you.
Hey! I think "Seeker" might be a doctor.
If not maybe Sensi can send you some "Reichi" to help you...you know.
>
> Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
Actually it's this zoo. There's all kinds of critters here.
> Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
Ha-Ha-Ha. You never have anything to say, nothing but empty words and Bible
verses
that you don't/can't understand.
Any points anybody tried to make *would* resonate in your hollow skull.
> You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
Pretend?
Have you been drinking again?
Are you provoking me?
See nothing you are saying to me has *any* * relevance* to what I said.
I deprecated myself by quoting you and humorously said "I'm His left hand"
For that you go on a tirade about my manhood, Vera and me,
allege I'm impotent, and on because you're... what? A horny old closet case
or you're pissed that I told everybody you're into animal abuse?
Then tomorrow morning after you puke you'll get out here
and act all virtuous and holier than thou quoting Bible verses and telling
everybody
I went insane on you.
The funny thing is that even though all one has to do is read the archive
to see the truth about your "spirit", all of your little demon possesed butt
buddies
and apologists for the devil will chime in as if repeating it enough will
make it true.
And they'll all see it the way they wanna 'cause you serve legion
Seeker
> "Matt" <trdell1...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
[...]
> Hey! I think "Seeker" might be a doctor.
I assure you that I am not. I'm happy to nip that rumor in the bud.
[...]
> Then tomorrow morning after you puke you'll get out here
> and act all virtuous and holier than thou quoting Bible verses and telling
> everybody
> I went insane on you.
No, it is your actions that tell us that.
> The funny thing is that even though all one has to do is read the archive
> to see the truth about your "spirit", all of your little demon possesed butt
> buddies
> and apologists for the devil will chime in as if repeating it enough will
> make it true.
>
> And they'll all see it the way they wanna 'cause you serve legion
When you repeat it you make it true - right?
[...]
W. Bully
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:52:12 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>
>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>
>>Sure I am God's right hand.
>>
>>Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well
>>as though any other Christian.
>
> Your use of deception make many doubt that. That and your incorrect
> eisegesis of scripture
>
> Your a sad example of being a Christian. I'm not much better, but
> have improved your not.
LOL!
You've improved! Ha!
You're a dumb ass piece of white trash poseur
making believe you're "Virtuous" while you hate and condemn
anybody that you think can tell the truth about your puny satan serving
soul.
Nothing but an envious SOB.
( I still remember,"Does he have a website?"
The truth behing your problem with Vera is that she put together
a successful website while you had to beg for help and even then no one went
to your
little piece of crap site.
ENVY!!!
That's an invitation for the devil for sure and it looks like he took it.
Go get an exorcism quick or jump off a cliff!
Hey, don't you live on a "mountain"?
Why don't you and "Baby" go see how far you can fly,
you being a MANLY VIRTUOUS MAN and all?
I'd say, "Get thee behind me!" but you might get excited and hurt the poor
little dog.
Seeker
> "Matt" <trdell1...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
[...]
> making believe you're "Virtuous" while you hate and condemn
> anybody that you think can tell the truth about your puny satan serving
> soul.
>
> Nothing but an envious SOB.
> ( I still remember,"Does he have a website?"
> The truth behing your problem with Vera is that she put together
> a successful website while you had to beg for help and even then no one went
> to your
> little piece of crap site.
[...]
At times like this I am reminded why the concept that {what dwells in
the heart will flow out the mouth} strikes me as haveing some truth to
it.
I not forger
> Vera is that she put together a successful website
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
It's full of intolerant rabid fundamentalist dogma and once featured
Fervent, the Porn Prophet of the Griz Cult - none of his "prophecies" ever
came true! Fuehrer Griz also has his "testimony" there.
--
"All things are probable. Try to believe.
Really! Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational.
Why? Because I said so, that's why! Don't ask questions. Just believe." -
Mark 17:1-3 (MTV)
W. Bully
"Seeker" <hso...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 12, 1:01 am, "W. Bully" <wooly_bu...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
> "Matt" <trdell1...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
[...]
[]
Silly boy, you just proved my point.
An obvious case of irrelevant provocation from Matt
but *you* disregard the evidence and allege that my actions make you think
I'm insane when in fact my actions have been above board and quite sane.
You prosecute me instead of prosecuting the one who tried to provoke me
because you lack objectivity.
You are a lackey of legion and you likely don't even know it.
Leave me alone and quit demanding explanations from me, you arrogant
cripple. Look up the term "netcop"
and you'll know what you're not but keep trying to be.
Bye.
- W. bully
W. Bully
[Poof! Poofed the poofer. Poor little poofer went "poof"]
I not forger
message news:4c63b0f4$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
> "W. Bully" Baabaa <wooly...@SillyPuttyGuy.net> wrote:
>
>> Vera is that she put together a successful website
>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Well, enough of attacking Vera relentlessly; it's time for tea and
biscuits.
This is Pope Morkie I not forger, signing off.
PS- I really must learn not to speak in pidgin English. "I not
forger" is an incomplete sentence.
Pope Morkie I not forger
I not forger
"I not forger" <I...@abrilliantmanwhothinksMorkieneedsabath.com> wrote
Seeker
> "Seeker" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a59f3fda-0724-432c...@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 12, 1:01 am, "W. Bully" <wooly_bu...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
> > "Matt" <trdell1...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
>
> [...]
> []
>
> Silly boy, you just proved my point.
So stating I am not a doctor makes me a doctor? I'm just taking a
guess here. You have failed to communicate.
> An obvious case of irrelevant provocation from Matt
> but *you* disregard the evidence . . .
What evidence? You mean the evidence I asked of you that you failed
to provide?
> . . . and allege that my actions make you think
> I'm insane when in fact my actions have been above board and quite sane.
Like your claims that you are being prosecuted?
> You prosecute me instead of prosecuting the one who tried to provoke me
> because you lack objectivity.
So if I were objective then I would give you a pass and only ask
questions of those who you dislike?
> You are a lackey of legion and you likely don't even know it.
So now a famous demon is involved in your sane story? Are there any
other mythical creatures involved?
> Leave me alone . . .
Nobody makes you read messages on a public forum.
> . . . and quit demanding explanations from me, you arrogant
> cripple.
More empty accusations.
> Look up the term "netcop"
> and you'll know what you're not but keep trying to be.
When did netcop become the guy looking for substance, facts, logic,
and merit?
I not forger
> On Aug 12, 1:37 am, "W. Bully" <wooly_bu...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
You are speaking to a person who FORGES nicks and posts ILLEGAL homosexual
vilification / hate crime.
When W Bully is around the forger is also around.
W Bully / Baba has used the folowing ISPs to avoid detection in the past
Information passed onto the various ISPs he is currently using.
Anyone with information about his real identity please contact me. Legal
action WILL be taken.
Michael Christ
Get a life, Mark.
Get to know who Jesus really is.
Michael Christ
"I not forger" <I...@anignorantthugforgingmyposts.com> wrote in message
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Matt
<wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
>"Matt" <trdel...@nosgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gt576612939p5t3v5...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:03:26 -0400, "W. Bully"
>> <wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>" ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>>>
>>>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as well
>>>> as
>>>> though any other Christian.
>>>
>>>Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
>>
>> This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
>>
>> Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
>
>You sure do talk about my "little manhood" a lot there...Matt.
>All this talk about homosexuality must be stirring something in ya.
LOL I'nm secure in my sexuality that homosexuals don't threaten me.
>
>Seems you can't stay away from me, stalking me
>Sorry to disappoint but I have no problem with potency you keep talking
>about.
Actually I was referring to your power and authority not your potency.
Sorry if I hit a nerve.
>
>You can see a doctor if you have erectile disfunction, Matt.
>But trying to "get over" it by insulting me and talking about my
>"little manhood" is a cry for help.
LOL You do have a one track mind.
>See a doctor. I can't help you.
>Hey! I think "Seeker" might be a doctor.
>If not maybe Sensi can send you some "Reichi" to help you...you know.
>>
>> Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
>
>Actually it's this zoo. There's all kinds of critters here.
>
>> Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
>
>Ha-Ha-Ha. You never have anything to say, nothing but empty words and Bible
>verses
>that you don't/can't understand.
>Any points anybody tried to make *would* resonate in your hollow skull.
Good one
>
>> You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
>
>Pretend?
>Have you been drinking again?
>Are you provoking me?
>See nothing you are saying to me has *any* * relevance* to what I said.
What you say has little "relevance" to fact and reality
>
>I deprecated myself by quoting you and humorously said "I'm His left hand"
>
>For that you go on a tirade about my manhood, Vera and me,
>allege I'm impotent, and on because you're... what? A horny old closet case
>or you're pissed that I told everybody you're into animal abuse?
Again your such a good Christian that you lie. Your not hurting me.
Everyone that has seen her can tell if anything she is well loved and
spoiled rotten.
Your only hurting yourself.
>
>Then tomorrow morning after you puke you'll get out here
>and act all virtuous and holier than thou quoting Bible verses and telling
>everybody
>I went insane on you.
I might post a verse or 2.
People read your post and most see you for what you are.
>The funny thing is that even though all one has to do is read the archive
>to see the truth about your "spirit", all of your little demon possesed butt
>buddies
>and apologists for the devil will chime in as if repeating it enough will
>make it true.
Yes they have to go back to 2008 and 2009 or farther. Your actions
are new just days old.
Think they see that as well
>
>And they'll all see it the way they wanna 'cause you serve legion
More nonsense
Matt
You don't remember correctly. I did get help from others here in this
NG. Seemed to make sense.
As to Vera's problem with me:
Here is Vera admitting the true reason for her anger and Hate toward
me
**********************
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:54:27 +0100, "::: vera :::"
<ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
>I do not want to excuse - I would not know what for. It was YOU who came to ACC and attacked me. YOU started to enter into
>competition with me
How was I in "Competition" with Vera ???
************************
>
>ENVY!!!
>That's an invitation for the devil for sure and it looks like he took it.
REad the above. You may be right.
>
>Go get an exorcism quick or jump off a cliff!
>Hey, don't you live on a "mountain"?
>Why don't you and "Baby" go see how far you can fly,
>you being a MANLY VIRTUOUS MAN and all?
>
>I'd say, "Get thee behind me!" but you might get excited and hurt the poor
>little dog.
Again you make with the lies. BABA
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
wrote:
[snip]
> For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
> and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
> they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
> powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
> And he is before all things, and by him all things
> consist. (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV)
Including hate, lust, murderous intent, loating, desease, evil ...
> The Holy Spirit is Jesus Spirit on earth, powerful and
> unifying us with the Father and the Son.
Given the divisions that exist within the various sub-cults of the
Christian cult, I'd suggest that your (all-powerful?) god lacks the
will or ability to follow-through on that!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
gt576612939p5t3v5...@4ax.com
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:03:26 -0400, "W. Bully"
> <wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>> I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>>
>>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>>
>>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>>
>>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as
>>> well as though any other Christian.
>>
>> Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
>
> This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
>
> Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
>
> Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
>
> Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
>
> You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
Why would a Christian ever recommend that to others?
I cannot tell you why, fo there is no such reason.
Also, Matt seems to have a problem with his manhood, or why would he
write so much about such things and degrade others as he does?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
::: Jesus is LORD :::
a59f3fda-0724-432c...@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com
No, it is rright already, and he repeats it. You have it upside down
again. Do you wear your socks on the wrong side, too?
[...]
--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.html
--->>> http://god-bless-obama.blogspot.com/
::: Jesus is LORD :::
f16d160d-ac17-4c33...@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com
So better just shut it up.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
> "W. Bully" Baabaa <wooly...@SillyPuttyGuy.net> wrote:
>
>> Vera is that she put together a successful website
>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
>
> It's full of intolerant rabid fundamentalist dogma and once featured
> Fervent, the Porn Prophet of the Griz Cult - none of his "prophecies"
> ever came true! Fuehrer Griz also has his "testimony" there.
Yupp - I am tolerant.
gs@bigpond
> On Aug 12, 2:52 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> [snip]
> > For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
> > and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
> > they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
> > powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
> > And he is before all things, and by him all things
> > consist. (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV)
>
True Christians would not allow such emotional reactions
or when they occurred because of circumstances in our lives
would seek the emotional will to overcome them before
they resulted in anti-social behaviours through our Christian faith
as we understood how to use it, .
disease, evil ...
>
They are part of the nature of the world, but there are Christians
and others working to alleviate the results of those conditions,
and to bring about their elimination from the areas where they live
and in the world wide area. That is not always apparent as Christians
do not always run round waving flags giving information of who we
are.
I have been thinking of the development of ideas about Psychology
from Freud and others. I am wondering if they developed their ideas
mainly from the second half of the 1800's?
(It is quite some time since I did studies in that area - I rather
liked
the ideas of Erik Erickson - but I would think he is one of the
lesser
known. ,
I am wondering how many developed their ideas from a basic idea that
Christainity had failed or was failing from a small sample of persons
as they did not have the time or the resources to check the full
sample
of Christians in a very wide area of the part where they lived .
As I type I am reminded of Corrie ten Boom, a Christian, who worked
to prevent the capture of Jews from Hitler's henchmen and who,
herself,
was captured and sent to a concentration camp, but survived the
horrific
conditions and treatment given to her. After the war she worked in
rehabilitation of those who had been cruelly treated and made
the observation that it was those who had been able to forgive their
captors
who were better able to rehabilitate after the war.
Forgiveness is a central part of the Christian faith.- not always
easy,
but it can be done.
It is apparent to me from past postings that you have so embraced
secularism that you look for the negatives in some Christians to
support
your views.
To return to the war-years and Hitler. As I have read about him he
allowed
his antagonism concerning the Versailles Treaty (1919) to "poison his
brain'
and through an occultic experience as well as Eugenics, developed by
Francis Galton, Charles Darwin's cousin(?) came to a desire
to make Germany the master-race controlling all the world.
However, he committed suicide and that brought the war in Europe to an
end.
with many 'broken' bodies and minds to heal.
In some respects, I was one of them even though I was living in
Australia.
You and your secularists have sought to gain from those years
in the post-war period, but there are more problems amongst some young
people
than I ever knew in the period of the 1930's to 1948, the year I began
teaching
in Infants' Departments of Primary Schools. . .
.
> > The Holy Spirit is Jesus Spirit on earth, powerful and
> > unifying us with the Father and the Son.
>
> Given the divisions that exist within the various sub-cults of the
> Christian cult, I'd suggest that your (all-powerful?) god lacks the
> will or ability to follow-through on that!
It is not God Who lacks the will; it is Christian leaders who do.
Jesus said of His followers, (John 11 : 21) "That they all may be
one,
as Thou, Father. are in me, and I in You, that they may also be one
in Us; that they world may believe that You have sent Me."
That is the big issue facing Christians at the present time.
The Vatican is working on issues such as World Youth Days
and canonisation of certain persons as saints - good media publicity
-
but it is not presenting the Biblical theological information -
Do the present leaders in the Vatican understand it has been past
decrees
of some Popes that were incorrect that brought about the divisions.
In the free societies of the Western world anyone who can gain
adherents to their theological views can set up their own
denominations
of the Christian faith. Quite a big task ahead.
Gladys Swager
Seeker
wrote:
> Seeker hsot...@hotmail.com wrote in
> f16d160d-ac17-4c33-85db-9895fdb74...@y32g2000prc.googlegroups.com
I have no control over what Wooly posts.
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
> On Aug 13, 9:43 am, Misanthropic Curmudgeon wrote:
>
> > On Aug 12, 2:52 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
> > [snip]
> > > For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
> > > and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
> > > they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
> > > powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
> > > And he is before all things, and by him all things
> > > consist. (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV)
>
> > Including hate, lust, murderous intent, loathing,
>
> True Christians would not allow such emotional
> reactions
By the definition given, hate, lust, murderous intent, loathing, etc
are functions/products of your god. To say that "True Christians
would not allow such emotional reactions" is to say that these 'true
christians' can override the will/creation of your god.
> disease, evil ...
>
> They are part of the nature of the world,
Again: functions/products of your god
> I ever knew in the period of the 1930's to 1948, the
> year I began teaching in Infants' Departments of
> Primary Schools. . .
Crikey, tha did not take very long, before you fell back into your
usual mantra of the halcion 50's and your ruining of young children.
> > Given the divisions that exist within the various sub-cults of the
> > Christian cult, I'd suggest that your (all-powerful?) god lacks the
> > will or ability to follow-through on that!
>
> It is not God Who lacks the will; it is Christian leaders who
> do.
If our god (existed and) had the will, he'd simply have to snap his
fingers and it would be so. That your god can/does not ......
Matt
<jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>Matt trdel...@nosgmail.com wrote in
>gt576612939p5t3v5...@4ax.com
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:03:26 -0400, "W. Bully"
>> <wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>>>
>>>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as
>>>> well as though any other Christian.
>>>
>>> Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
>>
>> This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
>>
>> Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
>>
>> Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
>>
>> Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
>>
>> You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
>
>Why would a Christian ever recommend that to others?
Actually you should not do that with a married man. Hasn't stopped
you in the past
>
>I cannot tell you why, fo there is no such reason.
>
>Also, Matt seems to have a problem with his manhood, or why would he
>write so much about such things and degrade others as he does?
Lets see you and BAA BAA talk about sex with animals and pedophiles.
We see where your minds are. SIC
sniiped hell site
Steve Hayes
<misanthropi...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
>Through Christ, you can be a Winner! (A gospel tract for teens)
There seems to be a contradiction here.
One of the great insults of modern secular culture is "loser".
As someone is said to have said, "Winning isn't the most important thing, it's
the ONLY thing."
But when we read about Christ in the gospels, he seemed to go out of his way
to identify with the losers, (or, as they seem to spell it nowadays,
"loosers").
Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
He has put down the mighty from their seat
and exalted the humble and meek.
(so sang the unmarried mother who bore him)
And the insults of those who saw him hanging on the cross were pretty much the
same as the modern taunt of "loser!"
So I wonder which Christ the tract is presenting to teens?
The Christ of the gospels, or Christ made over by slick modern spin doctors?
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Bob
Jesus said, A man speaks from the overflow of his heart; thus
Matt's writings. Just an outward expression of an inward problem.
Matt
This from a person like you. BOB LOL
I know your sick but don't take it out on the rest of us.
@tampabay.rr.com Pastor Dave
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> spake thusly:
Gladys:
This post is meant to be direct, not rude, so please
do not take it that way. I only mean to inform. :)
And remember that the atheists who post here are
just wannabee's, who pretend to know something.
> Misanthropic Curmudgeon wrote:
>
>> ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
>>
>>> For by him were all things created, that are
>>> in Heaven and that are in Earth, visible and
>>> invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions,
>>> or principalities, or powers: all things were
>>> created by Him, and for Him: And he is before
>>> all things, and by him all things consist.
>>> (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV)
>>
>> Including hate, lust, murderous intent, loathing
>
> True Christians would not allow such emotional reactions
> or when they occurred because of circumstances in our
> lives would seek the emotional will to overcome them
> before they resulted in anti-social behaviours through
> our Christian faith as we understood how to use it.
I look at it as realizing that we do not have the emotional
will, since if we did, what would we need God for in those
situations, amen?
>> disease, evil ...
>
> They are part of the nature of the world, but there
> are Christians and others working to alleviate the
> results of those conditions and to bring about their
> elimination from the areas where they live and in
> the world wide area.
Gladys, do yourself a favor and don't even argue such
nonsense with an individual such as this. He knows
what he's doing when he speaks from ignorance and
speaking purely out of hatred for God. And of course,
he'll claim that he can't hate what doesn't exist, but if
that's the case, then why does he spend so much time
posting such hatred each day?
And you should know that he doesn't want to be reached.
But since the atheists love to try to box God into a no win
situation, here is my response, that you can feel free to
use and I quote myself here:
***************************************************************************************
He is in essence demanding that God should save everyone
from themselves and cites the condition of the world, as if
that's all God's fault. But what are the choices here for God,
in his scenario?
1) God allows free will. This means that man will do
what man will do, but if God doesn't keep jumping
in to erase the consequences, then God is evil.
Of course, it is self-contradictory to demand this,
since we tell other humans that we learn from
our mistakes and how it is wrong to keep trying
to fix everything for people, since they'll never
learn anything that way. But people like this idiot
demand that God step in and force it to be right!
But what is the result of that? See #2 below.
2) God makes everything okay all the time. This means
that God must remove man's free will that most do
claim that man has. But then of course, God would,
in essence, be making robot slaves out of man and
man (if he was able to) would point his finger at God
and shout; "If You really loved me, then you'd let me
live my own life and make my own mistakes!", hating
God of course (if they could), because God won't let
man live his own life.
So tell me, where then is the win for God? How does He
win here? Oh yes, the atheists loves to play this game,
because in their little game, God either:
a) Becomes our slave and must do our bidding of erasing
the consequences of our actions, which means He's not
God anyway, since He's doing the bidding of man, which
as I said, makes Him our slave!
b) He doesn't allow us to do evil, which means that we have
no free will and we're just robots incapable of thinking for
ourselves. But then of course, man would shake his fist
at God and shout out; "If you loved me, you wouldn't
make a robot out of me! You'd let me make my own
mistakes and learn from them!".
So like I said, the atheist tries to set up a no win situation
for God. But the truth is, that they know just how ridiculous
their spewing of venom is! And they know that's all it is
(or they're really, really stupid).
If anyone (and I do mean anyone) wants to know why the
world is the way it is, then all they have to do, is just walk
up to a mirror, point at the person they see in it and say;
"You are the reason that the world is the way it is!"
The funny part is, that even if an atheist ever did choose
to blame man for the state of the world, then that atheist
would never blame him/herself! Nope! It's always going
to be everybody else's fault! Because the atheist thinks
that they are a "good person". But let's make a list of
everything that they have done and said, including their
hateful attitude here and let's see just how good they
turn out to look! And how is it that they are the only person
on the planet Earth that isn't creating the problems? Please!
The one that atheists never blame, is themselves for
the state of the world! And yet, that's who needs to
be blamed! Man!
***************************************************************************************
Anyway, as I said, feel free to copy & paste that if you wish,
when you run into an atheist trying to set up another no win
situation for God, knowing full well that they are lying!
> I have been thinking of the development of ideas about
> Psychology from Freud and others.
Freud was an idiot. Truly he was! Now you might think
it's proper to disagree, but you would be doing so based
on his popularity. But while Christians love to claim to be
separating themselves from what the world does and the
way it thinks, most of them do the exact opposite and it
is truly truly sad! Especially since they refuse to admit it,
which is another example of them doing the opposite of
what they should be doing. (:
Freud became popular through atheistic thought. He was
a huge fan of Darwin and couldn't even give up Larkin's
false idea, which was even rejected by evolutionists that
far back and by his own admission, Freud developed his
entire psychological approach on evolutionary ideas and
he became popular, because he gave man an "out".
Think about it and think about Freud. You're an animal,
remember? That's what evolution that he believed in
teaches us, isn't it? Furthermore and most well known
of him, you always got to blame your mother, or your
father, etc., etc.. Look at things today. People going
to court after slaughtering a family, but hey, it's not
my fault! My mother didn't give me the love I needed
and my father beat me! So that means that I have to
go out and slaughter families and its okay for me to do!
And when I go to court, you'll go easier on me, because
Momma didn't love me enough!
Haven't you ever seen/heard court proceedings? What
ALWAYS HAPPENS when they go for sentencing in weird
cases like that?!
You see, when you are convicted, then there is a wait.
You have to go and sit down with a psychologist, who
then writes a report for the judge to review, who then
reviews it and puts quite a bit of weight on that report!
Did you know that's how it's done? Well, it is. (:
But hey, let's be good Christians and dismiss what
Pastor Dave says and pretend he doesn't know anything
and go with that popular Freud concept. That's the way
to Godliness! And because in usenet, everything is good
and Godly, if you just keep snipping what was said and
keep insisting that you're right! You can go around saying
anything and as long as you follow that rule, then you're
Godly, even if you're caught lying about it! Just attack
the other person and deny, deny, deny! And then wonder
why the atheists laugh at us and attack them too, pretending
that they have no reason to make fun of us!
Yea Gladys, we'll just talk about what "true Christians do"
and then do the opposite! Why? Because it's more fun
and as long as we deny it when caught five minutes later,
we're Godly! Yippee!!!
Yes Gladys, that's how it works, especially here in usenet! (:
It seems that once again, the atheists know better than
the Christians on some Christian things. (:
--
Pastor Dave
The Last Days were in the first century:
"And saying, Repent ye: for the Kingdom of Heaven
is AT HAND." - Matthew 3:2
Barry
>On Aug 13, 9:43 am, Misanthropic Curmudgeon wrote:
>> On Aug 12, 2:52 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > For by him were all things created, that are in heaven,
>> > and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether
>> > they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or
>> > powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
>> > And he is before all things, and by him all things
>> > consist. (Colossians 1:16-17 KJV)
>>
>> Including hate, lust, murderous intent, loathing,
>
>True Christians would not allow such emotional reactions
>or when they occurred because of circumstances in our lives
>would seek the emotional will to overcome them before
>they resulted in anti-social behaviours through our Christian faith
>as we understood how to use it, .
A good God would not allow such emotional reactions.
>disease, evil ...
>>
>They are part of the nature of the world, but there are Christians
>and others working to alleviate the results of those conditions,
>and to bring about their elimination from the areas where they live
>and in the world wide area. That is not always apparent as Christians
>do not always run round waving flags giving information of who we
>are.
So we should fight God's will?
>I have been thinking of the development of ideas about Psychology
>from Freud and others. I am wondering if they developed their ideas
>mainly from the second half of the 1800's?
>(It is quite some time since I did studies in that area - I rather liked
>the ideas of Erik Erickson - but I would think he is one of the lesser
>known. ,
>I am wondering how many developed their ideas from a basic idea that
>Christainity had failed or was failing from a small sample of persons
>as they did not have the time or the resources to check the full
>sample of Christians in a very wide area of the part where they lived .
>
>As I type I am reminded of Corrie ten Boom, a Christian, who worked
>to prevent the capture of Jews from Hitler's henchmen and who,
>herself, was captured and sent to a concentration camp, but survived the
>horrific conditions and treatment given to her. After the war she worked in
>rehabilitation of those who had been cruelly treated and made
>the observation that it was those who had been able to forgive their
>captors
>who were better able to rehabilitate after the war.
Was God unable to prevent that?
>Forgiveness is a central part of the Christian faith.- not always
>easy, but it can be done.
Forgiveness can be a healing thing, but you are right, it is very
difficult to forgive God.
>It is apparent to me from past postings that you have so embraced
>secularism that you look for the negatives in some Christians to
>support your views.
No need to look.
>To return to the war-years and Hitler. As I have read about him he allowed
>his antagonism concerning the Versailles Treaty (1919) to "poison his brain'
>and through an occultic experience as well as Eugenics, developed by
>Francis Galton, Charles Darwin's cousin(?) came to a desire
>to make Germany the master-race controlling all the world.
>However, he committed suicide and that brought the war in Europe to an
>end. with many 'broken' bodies and minds to heal.
>In some respects, I was one of them even though I was living in
>Australia.
>
>You and your secularists have sought to gain from those years
>in the post-war period, but there are more problems amongst some young
>people than I ever knew in the period of the 1930's to 1948, the year I began
>teaching in Infants' Departments of Primary Schools. . .
From what you tell us God is very good at making things difficult for
us but we have to help ourselves.
>> > The Holy Spirit is Jesus Spirit on earth, powerful and
>> > unifying us with the Father and the Son.
>>
>> Given the divisions that exist within the various sub-cults of the
>> Christian cult, I'd suggest that your (all-powerful?) god lacks the
>> will or ability to follow-through on that!
>
>It is not God Who lacks the will; it is Christian leaders who do.
Ah, God has the will but lacks the ability.
What other things is almighty God incapable of?
>Jesus said of His followers, (John 11 : 21) "That they all may be
>one, as Thou, Father. are in me, and I in You, that they may also be one
>in Us; that they world may believe that You have sent Me."
The fact that Christianity is fragmented must mean God can't be
believed.
>That is the big issue facing Christians at the present time.
>The Vatican is working on issues such as World Youth Days
>and canonisation of certain persons as saints - good media publicity
>-
>but it is not presenting the Biblical theological information -
>Do the present leaders in the Vatican understand it has been past
>decrees
>of some Popes that were incorrect that brought about the divisions.
>In the free societies of the Western world anyone who can gain
>adherents to their theological views can set up their own
>denominations
>of the Christian faith. Quite a big task ahead.
Do you realise it is all false?
>Gladys Swager
Barry
Gladys would say a(wo)men.
>>> disease, evil ...
>>
>> They are part of the nature of the world, but there
>> are Christians and others working to alleviate the
>> results of those conditions and to bring about their
>> elimination from the areas where they live and in
>> the world wide area.
>
>Gladys, do yourself a favor and don't even argue such
>nonsense with an individual such as this. He knows
>what he's doing when he speaks from ignorance and
>speaking purely out of hatred for God. And of course,
>he'll claim that he can't hate what doesn't exist, but if
>that's the case, then why does he spend so much time
>posting such hatred each day?
>
>And you should know that he doesn't want to be reached.
>
>But since the atheists love to try to box God into a no win
>situation, here is my response, that you can feel free to
>use and I quote myself here:
>
>***************************************************************************************
>He is in essence demanding that God should save everyone
>from themselves and cites the condition of the world, as if
>that's all God's fault.
Colossians 1:16 says it is all God's fault.
>But what are the choices here for God, in his scenario?
According to Gladys God is almighty meaning nothing is impossible
for him.
>1) God allows free will. This means that man will do
> what man will do, but if God doesn't keep jumping
> in to erase the consequences, then God is evil.
> Of course, it is self-contradictory to demand this,
> since we tell other humans that we learn from
> our mistakes and how it is wrong to keep trying
> to fix everything for people, since they'll never
> learn anything that way. But people like this idiot
> demand that God step in and force it to be right!
> But what is the result of that? See #2 below.
If God did it surely it would all be good.
>2) God makes everything okay all the time. This means
> that God must remove man's free will that most do
> claim that man has. But then of course, God would,
> in essence, be making robot slaves out of man and
> man (if he was able to) would point his finger at God
> and shout; "If You really loved me, then you'd let me
> live my own life and make my own mistakes!", hating
> God of course (if they could), because God won't let
> man live his own life.
>
>So tell me, where then is the win for God? How does He
>win here? Oh yes, the atheists loves to play this game,
>because in their little game, God either:
>
> a) Becomes our slave and must do our bidding of erasing
> the consequences of our actions, which means He's not
> God anyway, since He's doing the bidding of man, which
> as I said, makes Him our slave!
>
> b) He doesn't allow us to do evil, which means that we have
> no free will and we're just robots incapable of thinking for
> ourselves. But then of course, man would shake his fist
> at God and shout out; "If you loved me, you wouldn't
> make a robot out of me! You'd let me make my own
> mistakes and learn from them!".
Do you think God knew about all these limitations before he
began creating?
In my addled atheist brain it just seems God should not have
created if he was unwilling or unable to ensure a good outcome.
Were Adam and Eve robots before God trashed creation?
Are people in heaven robots?
Is God a robot?
>So like I said, the atheist tries to set up a no win situation
>for God. But the truth is, that they know just how ridiculous
>their spewing of venom is! And they know that's all it is
>(or they're really, really stupid).
>
>If anyone (and I do mean anyone) wants to know why the
>world is the way it is, then all they have to do, is just walk
>up to a mirror, point at the person they see in it and say;
>
>"You are the reason that the world is the way it is!"
>
>The funny part is, that even if an atheist ever did choose
>to blame man for the state of the world, then that atheist
>would never blame him/herself! Nope! It's always going
>to be everybody else's fault! Because the atheist thinks
>that they are a "good person". But let's make a list of
>everything that they have done and said, including their
>hateful attitude here and let's see just how good they
>turn out to look! And how is it that they are the only person
>on the planet Earth that isn't creating the problems? Please!
>
>The one that atheists never blame, is themselves for
>the state of the world! And yet, that's who needs to
>be blamed! Man!
Colossians 1:16 puts the blame squarely on God, but you obviously
do not believe the bible.
>***************************************************************************************
>
>Anyway, as I said, feel free to copy & paste that if you wish,
>when you run into an atheist trying to set up another no win
>situation for God, knowing full well that they are lying!
>
>
>> I have been thinking of the development of ideas about
>> Psychology from Freud and others.
>
>Freud was an idiot. Truly he was! Now you might think
>it's proper to disagree, but you would be doing so based
>on his popularity. But while Christians love to claim to be
>separating themselves from what the world does and the
>way it thinks, most of them do the exact opposite and it
>is truly truly sad! Especially since they refuse to admit it,
>which is another example of them doing the opposite of
>what they should be doing. (:
>
>Freud became popular through atheistic thought. He was
>a huge fan of Darwin and couldn't even give up Larkin's
>false idea, which was even rejected by evolutionists that
>far back and by his own admission, Freud developed his
>entire psychological approach on evolutionary ideas and
>he became popular, because he gave man an "out".
>
>Think about it and think about Freud. You're an animal,
>remember? That's what evolution that he believed in
>teaches us, isn't it?
That's what observation tells us, but you probably think
God is being deceptive.
>Furthermore and most well known
>of him, you always got to blame your mother, or your
>father, etc., etc.. Look at things today. People going
>to court after slaughtering a family, but hey, it's not
>my fault! My mother didn't give me the love I needed
>and my father beat me! So that means that I have to
>go out and slaughter families and its okay for me to do!
>And when I go to court, you'll go easier on me, because
>Momma didn't love me enough!
And God did nothing to prevent it!
Its a fact. Christians are unable to think outside the square
have been placed in. If you could you would be horrified
at how much your thinking has been compromised.
Of course your compromised thinking will not allow you to
see that.
Christians can't even agree with each other.
Your biggest problem is not with atheists but with other
Christians.
>--
>
>Pastor Dave
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Good Morning, Bob!
So true. There is nothing but inside of this man. It comes from his hate
for God's authority in his life. That is why he cannot accept that God
gave some rules. He wants to be open for any directions there are. Did
God not warn of that? Did he not say the world would hate us? Did he not
also warn us to stay away from darkness? Matt is a good example for what
comes out if we reject God. Thoseguys have become steamrollers without
any form of mercy or grace or love. In my opinion Steamroller Matt is
here for political reasons, hiding behind a bunch of copy and paste
stuff. No Christian would ever publish Mark Tindall's so-called
Christian testimony on his website, but Matt did so, on purpose, to show
the Christians his so-called "tolerance".
So far Steamroller Matt has not produced anything Christian but copy and
paste from others to hide under that and under the protection of
"Amazing Grace", behaving like a berserker. "Amazing Grace" either
belongs to the Steamrollers or is just not intelligent enough to see
that. She is not here for conversations, either. Just for the weather
forecast, linking to other people's work or stealing it, or copy and
paste from others. She is either friendly with the heretics, or hateful
with the Christians.
I hope you have a great day in Christ today.
Vera
W. Bully
> Matt trdel...@nosgmail.com wrote in
> gt576612939p5t3v5...@4ax.com
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:03:26 -0400, "W. Bully"
>> <wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>> news:8ch5us...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> I itsme@home000000000000052 wrote in 4b4e...@dnews.tpgi.com.au
>>>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" Vera Six <jesus-...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot speak for God
>>>>>
>>>>> ... despite the fact that Vera thinks she's God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Sure I am God's right hand.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus is GOD, and I am His right hand. He is acting throguh me, as
>>>> well as though any other Christian.
>>>
>>> Indeed! And this "lowly nothing half man" is His LEFT HAND
>>
>> This from the oh impotent one. BAA BAA LOL
>>
>> Your nothing but a sad joke. No power and little manhood.
>>
>> Maybe that is why you think of Animals so much.
>>
>> Now it is time for Hollow point again LOL
>>
>> You and Vera should stick to e-mail then you can at least pretend.
>
> Why would a Christian ever recommend that to others?
>
> I cannot tell you why, fo there is no such reason.
>
> Also, Matt seems to have a problem with his manhood, or why would he write
> so much about such things and degrade others as he does?
LOL! As I scrolled down I was thinking to myself
"That Matt sure does bring up my manhood a lot"
just then I got to you wondering the same thing.
Yes, Matt sure does talk about my manhood a lot..
His wife leaves him for weeks at a time,
He has a gay little dog
he defends homosexual proselytizers
& he clamis to have known many homosexual men
in his "worldly" travels...
Well gee gosh! How much is 2 plus 2?
Maybe we can hook him up with Seeker,
he seems lonely and he likes queers
W. Bully
"Bob" <now...@home.com> wrote in message
news:d759o.60383$Bh2....@newsfe04.iad...
Yup. See my reply to Schwester V regarding the same
-Wooly
Matt
<wooly...@toughGuy.net> wrote:
Don't really care for you. Queer? Do you go to south beach much?
gs@bigpond
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>
> > A good God would not allow such emotional reactions.
> >disease, evil ...
>
> >They are part of the nature of the world, but there are Christians
> >and others working to alleviate the results of those conditions,
> >and to bring about their elimination from the areas where they live
> >and in the world wide area. That is not always apparent as Christians
> >do not always run round waving flags giving information of who we
> >are.
>
> So we should fight God's will?
>
What you are doing is putting the blame on God;
and not taking the blame yourself when you do not act in accordance
with the highest motives. "God's to blame" you wail. .
>
> >As I type I am reminded of Corrie ten Boom, a Christian, who worked
> >to prevent the capture of Jews from Hitler's henchmen and who,
> >herself, was captured and sent to a concentration camp, but survived the
> >horrific conditions and treatment given to her. After the war she worked in
> >rehabilitation of those who had been cruelly treated and made
> >the observation that it was those who had been able to forgive their
> >captors who were better able to rehabilitate after the war.
>
> Was God unable to prevent that?
>
or as persons who could make choices concerning the decisions
they made?
> >Forgiveness is a central part of the Christian faith.- not always
> >easy, but it can be done.
>
> Forgiveness can be a healing thing, but you are right, it is very
> difficult to forgive God.
>
For what? For not making you a robot - unable to think and make
decisions.
> >It is apparent to me from past postings that you have so embraced
> >secularism that you look for the negatives in some Christians to
> >support your views.
>
> No need to look.
>
And what about looking at your own failures.
> >To return to the war-years and Hitler. As I have read about him he allowed
> >his antagonism concerning the Versailles Treaty (1919) to "poison his brain'
> >and through an occultic experience as well as Eugenics, developed by
> >Francis Galton, Charles Darwin's cousin(?) came to a desire
> >to make Germany the master-race controlling all the world.
> >However, he committed suicide and that brought the war in Europe to an
> >end. with many 'broken' bodies and minds to heal.
> >In some respects, I was one of them even though I was living in
> >Australia.
>
> >You and your secularists have sought to gain from those years
> >in the post-war period, but there are more problems amongst some young
> >people than I ever knew in the period of the 1930's to 1948, the year I began
> >teaching in Infants' Departments of Primary Schools. . .
>
> From what you tell us God is very good at making things difficult for
> us but we have to help ourselves.
>
And that not by ourselves.
Jesus said, (Matthew 28 : 20) "I am with you always,
even unto the end of the world."
But you would sooner 'go it alone'
> >Jesus said of His followers, (John 11 : 21) "That they all may be
> >one, as Thou, Father. are in me, and I in You, that they may also be one
> >in Us; that they world may believe that You have sent Me."
>
> The fact that Christianity is fragmented must mean God can't be
> believed.
>
No, It comes from the reasonings of individuals and
their/our understandings. .
> >That is the big issue facing Christians at the present time.
> >The Vatican is working on issues such as World Youth Days
> >and canonisation of certain persons as saints - good media publicity
> >but it is not presenting the Biblical theological information -
> >Do the present leaders in the Vatican understand it has been past
> >decrees
> >of some Popes that were incorrect that brought about the divisions.
> >In the free societies of the Western world anyone who can gain
> >adherents to their theological views can set up their own
> >denominations of the Christian faith. Quite a big task ahead.
>
> Do you realise it is all false?
>
Not ALL false. It is a matter of coming to a consensus
about what is truth.
You ignore all the good that has comes from Christians as
we have worked in accordance with Christ's teachings to His disciples
[John 14 : 12(b)] "Greater works than (miracles) shall (you) do
because I go to the Father".
Jesus gave us the responsibility to change the wrongs in the world
that humans caused from the time the first humans disobeyed God.
That is simple to understand
BUT Barry does not want to understand that.
He just wants to go on whingeing about God
and what He thinks God should have done.
He just won't consider what he can do by following Jesus' commands.
Gladys Swager
Barry OGrady
<swa...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>On Aug 13, 5:46 pm, Barry wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 "gs@bigpond" wrote:
>>
>> > A good God would not allow such emotional reactions.
>> > (as) hate, murderous intent. loathing
>> >disease, evil ...
>>
>> >They are part of the nature of the world, but there are Christians
>> >and others working to alleviate the results of those conditions,
>> >and to bring about their elimination from the areas where they live
>> >and in the world wide area. That is not always apparent as Christians
>> >do not always run round waving flags giving information of who we
>> >are.
>>
>> So we should fight God's will?
>>
>Barry, they were/are not part of God's will.
Colossians 1:16 says otherwise.
If God is almighty then God always has everything just as he wants it.
>What you are doing is putting the blame on God;
>and not taking the blame yourself when you do not act in accordance
>with the highest motives. "God's to blame" you wail. .
Do you no longer believe God is almighty and creator?
>> >As I type I am reminded of Corrie ten Boom, a Christian, who worked
>> >to prevent the capture of Jews from Hitler's henchmen and who,
>> >herself, was captured and sent to a concentration camp, but survived the
>> >horrific conditions and treatment given to her. After the war she worked in
>> >rehabilitation of those who had been cruelly treated and made
>> >the observation that it was those who had been able to forgive their
>> >captors who were better able to rehabilitate after the war.
>>
>> Was God unable to prevent that?
>>
>Would you have preferred that God had made humans as robots
>or as persons who could make choices concerning the decisions
>they made?
I had no idea almighty God was so limited.
Was god unable to prevent the problems you described?
>> >Forgiveness is a central part of the Christian faith.- not always
>> >easy, but it can be done.
>>
>> Forgiveness can be a healing thing, but you are right, it is very
>> difficult to forgive God.
>>
>For what?
For all the trouble you describe and more. The problem is God shows no
signs of changing.
>For not making you a robot - unable to think and make decisions.
Why do you put limitations on almighty God?
>> >It is apparent to me from past postings that you have so embraced
>> >secularism that you look for the negatives in some Christians to
>> >support your views.
>>
>> No need to look.
>>
>And what about looking at your own failures.
Good idea oh Lord.
Obviously God is not going to help.
>> >To return to the war-years and Hitler. As I have read about him he allowed
>> >his antagonism concerning the Versailles Treaty (1919) to "poison his brain'
>> >and through an occultic experience as well as Eugenics, developed by
>> >Francis Galton, Charles Darwin's cousin(?) came to a desire
>> >to make Germany the master-race controlling all the world.
>> >However, he committed suicide and that brought the war in Europe to an
>> >end. with many 'broken' bodies and minds to heal.
>> >In some respects, I was one of them even though I was living in
>> >Australia.
>>
>> >You and your secularists have sought to gain from those years
>> >in the post-war period, but there are more problems amongst some young
>> >people than I ever knew in the period of the 1930's to 1948, the year I began
>> >teaching in Infants' Departments of Primary Schools. . .
>>
>> From what you tell us God is very good at making things difficult for
>> us but we have to help ourselves.
>>
>And that not by ourselves.
>Jesus said, (Matthew 28 : 20) "I am with you always,
> even unto the end of the world."
So that's the problem. Thanks for that.
>But you would sooner 'go it alone'
I can't 'go it alone'.
You keep telling us how you 'went it alone' in your teaching career.
>> >Jesus said of His followers, (John 11 : 21) "That they all may be
>> >one, as Thou, Father. are in me, and I in You, that they may also be one
>> >in Us; that they world may believe that You have sent Me."
>>
>> The fact that Christianity is fragmented must mean God can't be
>> believed.
>>
>No, It comes from the reasonings of individuals and
>their/our understandings. .
Jesus said of His followers, (John 11 : 21) "That they all may be
one, as Thou, Father. are in me, and I in You, that they may also be
one in Us; that they world may believe that You have sent Me."
They are not all one, so the world can't believe 'You have sent Me.'
>> >That is the big issue facing Christians at the present time.
>> >The Vatican is working on issues such as World Youth Days
>> >and canonisation of certain persons as saints - good media publicity
>> >but it is not presenting the Biblical theological information -
>> >Do the present leaders in the Vatican understand it has been past
>> >decrees
>> >of some Popes that were incorrect that brought about the divisions.
>> >In the free societies of the Western world anyone who can gain
>> >adherents to their theological views can set up their own
>> >denominations of the Christian faith. Quite a big task ahead.
>>
>> Do you realise it is all false?
>>
>Not ALL false. It is a matter of coming to a consensus about what is truth.
Good point. All can agree there is no God and no Jesus and no
supernatural.
>You ignore all the good that has comes from Christians as
>we have worked in accordance with Christ's teachings to His disciples
> [John 14 : 12(b)] "Greater works than (miracles) shall (you) do
>because I go to the Father".
I have said nothing about any good Christians have done.
Doing good says nothing about the truth of Christianity.
>Jesus gave us the responsibility to change the wrongs in the world
>that humans caused from the time the first humans disobeyed God.
>That is simple to understand
>BUT Barry does not want to understand that.
I understand it. It contradicts the idea of God being almighty and
good.
>He just wants to go on whingeing about God
>and what He thinks God should have done.
>He just won't consider what he can do by following Jesus' commands.
Barry can't understand why God doesn't use his almighty power for
good.
Gladys is unable to explain why almighty good God is not both almighty
and good.
Gladys makes claims she can't support.
>Gladys Swager