1 John 1 - Take heed Randy and Gabriel.
Michael Christ
THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU ARE CLAIMING IN THE
SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND HAVE NOT SINNED. And
therefore you will never walk in the light (verse 7) and you will never be
cleansed of all unrighteousness (verse 9). If you say you have fellowship
with Him and walk in darkness (which you do) you are a liar (verse 6), your
whole life is a lie.
The whole of 1 John 1 flows beautifully, it is not a refuge for sin-based
unrepentant lying 'occasional sin' theology that seeks personal glory and
not the glory of a Holy God.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
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You are both 'kicking against the pricks'. Don't bother looking for those
words in the NIV, it was removed by men who have decided what God says.
Michael Christ
ThomM
> "Michael Christ" <jesusisl...@father.com> wrote in message
Since all of the bibles - every version - were written by humans -
they all were defining what their god is - and what it wants - and
what it says. YOU do that all the time when you pick and choose among
the "scripture" to support your statements - when you ignore the
statements in that very same scripture that contradict the point you
want to make.
Of course - it there were a real god - it wouldn't be subject to human
interpretation - which is where ALL religions screw up as they CHANGE
their definition of a god to fit current circumstances.
The fact is - 1John1 is worthless nonsense because it fails to
establish a god exists anymore than YOU have
John 5:31
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Michael Christ
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Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO
> THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***.
Now if only you had ever read what your cult claims to be its scripcha...:
Ex 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(Of course that's really just one of the "alpha version" commandments, it
doesn't appear at all in the final version, but as all you cultists deny
the very existence of that final version...)
Still wanna talk about "sin"?
Pot. Kettle. Get the message.
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The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
::: Jesus is LORD :::
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we
lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the
light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus
Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin,
we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our
sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him
a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:6-10 KJV)
Have you confessed your sins lately already, Michael?
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> Michael Christ
Michael Christ
>> Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING
>> YOURSELF TO THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU
>> ARE CLAIMING IN THE SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND
>> HAVE NOT SINNED. And therefore you will never walk in the light
>> (verse 7) and you will never be cleansed of all unrighteousness
>> (verse 9). If you say you have fellowship with Him and walk in
>> darkness (which you do) you are a liar (verse 6), your whole life is
>> a lie.
>>
>> The whole of 1 John 1 flows beautifully, it is not a refuge for
>> sin-based unrepentant lying 'occasional sin' theology that seeks
>> personal glory and not the glory of a Holy God.
Vera wrote:
> If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we
> lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the
> light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus
> Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin,
> we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our
> sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us
> from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him
> a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:6-10 KJV)
>
> Have you confessed your sins lately already, Michael?
It is useless to keep on confessing your sins all the time at your
'occasional' sin leisure.
You must do more than that...
Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO
THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU ARE CLAIMING IN THE
SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND HAVE NOT SINNED.
Find the Lord's will for your life and lose your life, then it becomes more
than a hypocritical and shallow bible quoting doctrine.
Michael Christ
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Michael Christ <jesus...@father.com> wrote:
> Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING YOURSELF
> TO THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU ARE CLAIMING IN
> THE SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND HAVE NOT SINNED. And
> therefore you will never walk in the light (verse 7) and you will never
> be cleansed of all unrighteousness (verse 9). If you say you have
> fellowship with Him and walk in darkness (which you do) you are a liar
> (verse 6), your whole life is a lie.
Take your own advice, idiotic hypocrite. You're the one who
claims you don't have sin, not us.
> The whole of 1 John 1 flows beautifully, it is not a refuge for
> sin-based unrepentant lying 'occasional sin' theology that seeks
> personal glory and not the glory of a Holy God.
You thus prove you do not have God, are self deceived, and make
God out to be a liar:
1 John 1:8-10 NIV
(8) If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the
truth is not in us.
(9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will
forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
(10) If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a
liar and his word has no place in our lives.
So then, someone who claims to be without sin:
1) is self deceived
2) does not have the truth in him
3) makes God out to be a liar
Michael claiming he is without sin:
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Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
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> "1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
> seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
> God."
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned since being saved?
Michael Christ wrote:
> That is exactly what the verse is saying! It cannot be clearer!
> But you in your sin and looking through a glass darkly decides
that the
> verse says something else.Gabriel wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned even once since being
> saved?
How on earth are you supposed to understand that answer being
blind??!!
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Just what part of this Bible verse do you not understand, Gabriel???
"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God."
Please tell me. It is not going to do you any good trying to
judge me,
that is not your role.
A person that sins and says they are in Christ is declaring in
spiritual
places that Jesus is a sinner. How can anyone not understand that??
The problem with you and Randy, and God knows who else, is that
you lack
faith.
Michael Christ
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gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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hypocrisy.
Simple.
Michael Christ
PS Here is the Way...
Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING YOURSELF TO
THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU ARE CLAIMING IN THE
SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND HAVE NOT SINNED.
The Lord is not interested in token gesture 'occasional sin is okayism'.
Michael Christ
Randy wrote:
> Take your own advice, idiotic hypocrite. You're the one who claims you
> don't have sin, not us.
...I have never claimed to be without sin; you can't produce one quote.
You are lying to try and justify your words.
You don't need to do that, do you?
As I told you, my life is hid in the Lord, and if you want to know about me
you must speak with the Lord. It is not my condemnation that that poses a
problem for you.
Merry Christmas.
Michael Christ
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Michael Christ <jesus...@father.com> wrote:
>
> Randy wrote:
>> Take your own advice, idiotic hypocrite. You're the one who claims
>> you don't have sin, not us.
>
> ...I have never claimed to be without sin; you can't produce one quote.
You keep saying that, but then when the following quote is
produced you shut up and change the subject:
On Sat, 11/21/09, at 9:32:54PM,
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Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
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> "1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
> seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
> God."
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned since being saved?
[*****************************************************************]
Michael Christ wrote:
> That is exactly what the verse is saying! It cannot be clearer!
[*****************************************************************]
> But you in your sin and looking through a glass darkly decides
that the
> verse says something else.Gabriel wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned even once since being
> saved?
[*****************************************************************]
How on earth are you supposed to understand that answer being
blind??!!
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
[*****************************************************************]
Michael Christ
yourself to the Lord wholly and completely (as you should), you are claiming
in spiritual places that you are without sin, and have not sinned.
The Lord Jesus is an absolute Lord, not a compromising religionist.
No wonder I never ever hear from you people declare about losing your life,
or the necessity of complete surrender, or offering up your body as a living
sacrifice to a worthy God. You just keep things noisy with superficial
religious clutter and never get down and dirty with the real deed
reality....death to self.
You are frauds, and your days of religious pretence are numbered.
Michael Christ
gabriel
<jesus...@father.com> wrote:
> And...
>
> Randy wrote:
> > Take your own advice, idiotic hypocrite. You're the one who claims you
> > don't have sin, not us.
>
> ...I have never claimed to be without sin; you can't produce one quote.
Ok then - so you admit you've sinned since being saved.
Also, since you've continued to sin since being saved,
[1] What is it you were saved from, as you've asked others who
mentioned there have been times when they've sinned after being
saved?
Also, now you can address the very posts you put towards those
who point out how the Bible says all believers will sin on
occasion. To which you replied and even made up your own posts:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:27:37 GMT, "Michael Christ"
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
> ...and you can be an 'occasional' sinner as often as the spirit leads.
>
> Jesus is Lord?? Not in them He isn't.
So
[2] Jesus is not Lord of your life, since you now are admitting
you've sinned since being saved?
Your answer seems to be "Not in them He isn't" - but you keep
claiming you're "hid in Christ". You contradict yourself,
Michael.
>
> And what the hell is an 'occasional sinner', what kind of being is that??
So
[3] what kind of being are you, Michael, since you just admitted
you've sinned since being saved?
>
> Obviously, that being is not as bad as a **more than** occasional sinner.
>
> You see how their theology falls apart when you go down that dead end street
> only a little way.
So
[4] Are you are going down a dead end street, then, Michael?
>
> They only seek to rationalize their sin with scripture, scripture seen only
> through the faithlessness of their heart and minds.
So
[5] Are you rationalizing your sin now, Michael? If not, then
you're not saved since you now admit you've continued to sin
since being saved?
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gabriel <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Correct! Does he not see his own self-evident,
self-contradicting, Bible-contradicting hypocrisy?
Michael Christ
so.
You say something about me but are unable to produce a quote.
You said I made a claim that I do not sin...where is the quote??
Put it here: "I.........................."
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not
seen him, neither known him.
If you study your Bible (even the NIV) you will find nowhere is there found
justification for sin...because there isn't any! And no amount of your
Bible twisting translating is going to produce any.
Give up trying.
Michael Christ
PS My life is hid in Him and there is nothing you can do about it.
Michael Christ
Randy, my life is hid in Him, Gabriel. If you want to know who and what I
am you will have to talk to the Lord Jesus.
I realise that poses a problem for you.
Why?
Because you are both pretenders.
If you haven't lost your life, all you say and all you do is hypocrisy. And
you haven't, because if you had, you wouldn't be going on with all this
shallow hollow theological humanistic nonsense.
Michael Christ
PS By the way I am flattered that you would measure salvation according to
my actions. However salvation is in, and through and by the Lord Jesus
alone. Surrender your life to Him.
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Michael Christ
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Michael Christ <jesus...@father.com> wrote:
> You said I made a claim that I do not sin...where is the quote??
Your question is a rhetorical lie.
> Put it here: "I.........................."
Michael claiming he is without sin:
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Michael Christ <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
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> "1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
> seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
> God."
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned since being saved?
Michael Christ wrote:
> That is exactly what the verse is saying! It cannot be clearer!
> But you in your sin and looking through a glass darkly decides
that the
> verse says something else.Gabriel wrote:
Gabriel wrote:
> So are you claiming you have not sinned even once since being
> saved?
How on earth are you supposed to understand that answer being
blind??!!
If you say you are in Christ and sin, you are saying Jesus sins.
Since Jesus does not sin, you are not in Christ.
Just what part of this Bible verse do you not understand, Gabriel???
"1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God."
Please tell me. It is not going to do you any good trying to
Michael Christ
produce the truth.
Here is another chance, clear and simple...
You said I made a claim that I do not sin...where is the quote??
Put it here: "I.........................."
All this nonsense because you are not prepared to give your all to the Lord.
Instead of surrendering your whole life to God you want to do Him on the
cheap with 'occasional' sin.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his
seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
God.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not
Michael Christ
Randy. They get all excited about the doctrine but have no idea about the
Spirit of the Doctrine.
Did you think that modern day christians are any different from the
Pharisees??
No, if Jesus was to come as He did like before you would crucify Him again.
That is why the Church is hidden...for now.
Michael Christ
Thommadura
> You both need to get off your doctrine and on to your knees.
>
No reason to get on your knees to pray to an altar or a statue
They cannot do anything for you
bob young
On 12/19/09 7:49 PM, in article
ybydnZbecr54ILHW...@giganews.com, "�" <pulpi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, 12/18/09, at 5:19:26PM,
> Michael Christ <jesus...@father.com> wrote:
>
>> Admit your sin. All of you is sin. ***ADMIT IT BY SUBMITTING YOURSELF
>> TO THE LORD WHOLLY AND COMPLETELY***. Until you do...YOU ARE CLAIMING IN
>> THE SPIRIT IN YOUR ACTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT SIN, AND HAVE NOT SINNED. And
>> therefore you will never walk in the light (verse 7) and you will never
>> be cleansed of all unrighteousness (verse 9). If you say you have
>> fellowship with Him and walk in darkness (which you do) you are a liar
>> (verse 6), your whole life is a lie.
>
>
> Take your own advice, idiotic hypocrite. You're the one who
> claims you don't have sin, not us.
Sin has always been a tool of the clergy, used and adopted to bolster
membership. It is seized upon with zeal because there is a universal
distaste for sin - even a thief gets highly agitated if someone breaks into
his home and steals his loot.
Sin was around long before man could speak in simple tongue, let alone
write. Eons later sin was
hijacked, applied, used, twisted and manipulated by the clergy with more
force and enthusiasm than any other example of religious dogma.
Until preachers and their hangers on defer from manipulating sin as a
propagating tool - they too will never be free from sin themselves.