Apparently NOT anybody can pass a test....
Frisbee®, MCNGP
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> > So, Nicholas, are you an A-Plus certified MCP today, or not? We haven't
> > heard from you..... are the people you supervise whining, or scouring
> > the scene for Knicks tickets?
>
> Maybe he scheduled them late? Maybe he's taking them in Hawaii?
I think Nicholas is probably dining on a rather large portion of Humble Pie
right about now. I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if he comes on here
later today or tomorrow and admits defeat, he was admitting before he
stopped posting that his attitude was rapidly changing.
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"Jeffrey L. Woods" <je...@deltacomm.com> wrote in message
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> So, Nicholas, are you an A-Plus certified MCP today, or not? We haven't
> heard from you..... are the people you supervise whining, or scouring
> the scene for Knicks tickets?
>
> Somehow, I think the only hoops in your future are the ones you'll be
> jumping through to satisfy your staff from now on...
>
> Day 1: 27
> Day 2: 28
> Day 3: 29
> Day 4: 30
> Day 5: 31
> Day 6: 01
> Day 7: 02
> Day 8: 03
> Day 9: 04
> Day 10: TODAY
>
> From: Nicholas Stewart (removev...@verizon.net)
> Subject: Anybody can pass a test.............
> Newsgroups: alt.certification.a-plus, alt.certification.mcse
> Date: 2002-08-27 07:53:29 PST
>
> I am a big believer in degrees (I have 2) and certifications (I have
> none) are not as important as who you know... (argue if you want)......
> but I have the opportunity to move into another position (again who I
> know). I am in administration.... which basically means I dont need to
> know about running cable or any of that other technical mumbo
> jumbo...just need it to get done......
>
> Anyway, as a challenge from my MIS staff, (who I supervise --- ah, the
> irony) they want to see if I could pass the 70-210, A+ certification
> (which I understand is 2 test) in 10 days.. (There is definetly
> incentive - 2 new york knicks opening day tickets, money and bragging
> rights)..... Long story short, today begins the test.... I also believe
> that any test can be passed if u try (yes, I the guy who studied the
> night before every exam in undergrad).....
>
> Anyway, here are the specs.... Me, with no prior software or hardware
> knowledge passing 3 test's in 10 days..... (don't argue that they are
> the easiest... I couldnt tell you a dip switch from a network switch)...
> Luckily I have a lot of time.....
>
> I hope I dont hear these guys whine anymore after this......
>
> ---------------
>
>
Jim
Jim
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> HE HE HE HE HE
VOJ
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> he he he he failed
He only took three exams for two certs.
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DenverBob
DenverBob
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Jtyc
Are you really a consultant?
MCSEwannabe
> Heck, I'm just curious to see if he passed ANY of the tests...
>
> DenverBob
I think he'll pass at least one of them, but not all three.
DenverBob
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Tom MacIntyre
<bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote:
>"Jtyc" <y...@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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>> > So, Nicholas, are you an A-Plus certified MCP today, or not? We haven't
>> > heard from you..... are the people you supervise whining, or scouring
>> > the scene for Knicks tickets?
>>
>> Maybe he scheduled them late? Maybe he's taking them in Hawaii?
>
>I think Nicholas is probably dining on a rather large portion of Humble Pie
>right about now. I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if he comes on here
>later today or tomorrow and admits defeat, he was admitting before he
>stopped posting that his attitude was rapidly changing.
I agree, although my powers of recognizing traits of human nature are
quite suspect.
He was seeming to get the picture shortly after his quest started.
Tom
WF Peifer
> Skipper! ....Professor! ...MCSE! ...Whatever blows your hair back :-)
>
I liked you better as Maynard G. Krebs. That was a good piece of work.
WORK?!?!?!?!
Mike
a degree or Certifications may get your foot in the door but doesn't
guarantee a job. A degree and 25 cents in this town might get you a cup of
coffee, so don't be so arrogant because you have two degrees. Of course you
didn't get your job on your degrees alone did you? Not knowing about cabling
or hardware is your loss,not every company needs managers and you have to
start somewhere. Yes even you may someday find yourself in that situation.
Let the guys go on talking about they're Certifications and Etc. if you
don't like it you don't have to be here !
Mike
V.O.J
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A degree in Electronics or CS is more powerful a tool than any certification
to earn money.
A certification may be necessary no matter how many degrees one has.
Your ranting shows lack of knowledge while possibly still a good technician.
Certifications may get a good job of up to $20.00 an hour.
A degree with the same personal drive would get $50.00 an hour ($100,000.00
/ Yr)
Note that a degree in history is not what is compared. (degrees or
certifications in the same feild)
>
Tom MacIntyre
>
>"Mike" <mike...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>> Excuse me Mr. Woods but Certifications are as important as a degree.
It depends.
>Getting
>> a degree or Certifications may get your foot in the door but doesn't
>> guarantee a job. A degree and 25 cents in this town might get you a cup of
>> coffee, so don't be so arrogant because you have two degrees.
I wish I could evaluate the level of arrogance, but there is nothing
from the original to base my ideas on.
>Of course
>you
>> didn't get your job on your degrees alone did you? Not knowing about
>cabling
>> or hardware is your loss,not every company needs managers and you have to
>> start somewhere. Yes even you may someday find yourself in that situation.
>> Let the guys go on talking about they're Certifications and Etc. if you
>> don't like it you don't have to be here !
>>
>> Mike
>>
>
>A degree in Electronics or CS is more powerful a tool than any certification
>to earn money.
>A certification may be necessary no matter how many degrees one has.
There are still instances where small companies, with fresh ideas, are
creating non-PC-based, component-level, but PC and 802.? compliant
technology. If you want a job, maybe check this out, because, since
there seems to be a saturation in the IT certification stuff...
The bottom line is...follow your heart, while paying attention to the
$$, etc.
>
>Your ranting shows lack of knowledge while possibly still a good technician.
>Certifications may get a good job of up to $20.00 an hour.
>A degree with the same personal drive would get $50.00 an hour ($100,000.00
>/ Yr)
>
>Note that a degree in history is not what is compared. (degrees or
>certifications in the same feild)
My degree is an arts degree, in Music...Diploma in Electronics
Engineering Technology...A+...all difficult to compare properly.
Debate if you would like.
I wish Mike had quoted some of which he had replied to, so I/we would
know what he was talking about.
Tom
Jim Peters
self-absorbed nimrod.
"Jeffrey L. Woods" <je...@deltacomm.com> wrote in message
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> So, Nicholas, are you an A-Plus certified MCP today, or not? We haven't
> heard from you..... are the people you supervise whining, or scouring
> the scene for Knicks tickets?
>
Jtyc
certification
> to earn money.
> A certification may be necessary no matter how many degrees one has.
>
> Your ranting shows lack of knowledge while possibly still a good
technician.
> Certifications may get a good job of up to $20.00 an hour.
> A degree with the same personal drive would get $50.00 an hour
($100,000.00
> / Yr)
Your wrong. Your value is not determined by a slip of paper, whether that
be a degree or cert.
V.O.J
Tell that to employers.
Tell that to the IRS
Tell that to your bank.
Go get an education, be in the industry for a few years.
Those "other" guys who make more money than you do are not the crooks you
think they are.
There are MANY who "make it" without papers. Most do not.
Jtyc
>
If some can make it without papers, why can't others?
Rob Hammersmith
of what they learned. The reason there are so few people who make it without
papers is because most successful people go to college, leaving few
successful people to show they are a successful person without the papers.
Less than half of college graduates work in the field of their major. This
shows that with or without their field knowledge they would still be
successful. The knowledge they learn in college only accelerates their
success. But an unsuccessful person with a piece of paper (degree or cert)
is still an unsuccessful person. Trying to accelerate them with knowledge (a
degree or cert) accelerates nothing, because they are just an unsuccessful
person.
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WF Peifer
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> Most successful people are successful because of who they are, not because
> of what they learned. The reason there are so few people who make it
without
> papers is because most successful people go to college, leaving few
> successful people to show they are a successful person without the papers.
> Less than half of college graduates work in the field of their major. This
> shows that with or without their field knowledge they would still be
> successful. The knowledge they learn in college only accelerates their
> success. But an unsuccessful person with a piece of paper (degree or cert)
> is still an unsuccessful person. Trying to accelerate them with knowledge
(a
> degree or cert) accelerates nothing, because they are just an unsuccessful
> person.
Your logic is quite flawed. Most successful people have college degrees
because most people working in fields which are viewed by others as being
some measure of success just by virtue of the field are required to have
degrees by virtue of their choice of profession. For instance, the vast
majority of lawyers have nice homes, drive nice cars, have ample income . .
. in short, they are "successful". The same hold true for physicians,
dentists, etc. How many successful lawyers do NOT have degrees? Do you
know of any physicians who never finished college? I hope not. The
professions mentioned, in and of themselves, constitute a certain level of
success . . . a level impossible to attain without the degree.
While it's true that there are many who became successful in other careers
without the degree. Some can attribute their success to luck, others to
hard work, others to avarice. Bill Gates may be an example of all three.
There's one very successful person with no degree. But the vast majority of
successful people can attribute much of their success, at least to some
level, on their degree.
I was a classic example of an unsuccessful person at age 29. An IQ of 142,
1 year of college, a wife and 4 kids and working in a factory for little
more than minimum wage. I considered this intolerable, but there was no
easy way out of the situation. So, I kicked myself in the ass and went back
to college days while I worked either 2nd or 3rd shift in the factory. The
piece of paper didn't make me successful, but it opened doors that never
would have been open without it. Months after graduation I took a job with
GE for about twice what I'd been making in the factory. 10 years later I
started my own computer consulting business. Now I also teach at a nearby
university. None of this would have been possible had I not gone back to
school.
Don't sell the degree short. You may not work in the field that your degree
is in. I don't. But it proves to prospective employers that you are
trainable. Lack of a degree proves nothing.
V.O.J
Successful people get some sort of paper
Successful people get degrees because they have drive.
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V.O.J
> of what they learned. The reason there are so few people who make it
without
> papers is because most successful people go to college, leaving few
> successful people to show they are a successful person without the papers.
> Less than half of college graduates work in the field of their major. This
> shows that with or without their field knowledge they would still be
> successful. The knowledge they learn in college only accelerates their
> success. But an unsuccessful person with a piece of paper (degree or cert)
> is still an unsuccessful person. Trying to accelerate them with knowledge
(a
> degree or cert) accelerates nothing, because they are just an unsuccessful
> person.
>
Right. The reason you are nothing is you.
Forget learning.
Get an education in what the world is about.
V.O.J
> > There are MANY who "make it" without papers. Most do not.
> >
>
> If some can make it without papers, why can't others?
Ever hear of "who you know"?
Very few make it in the technical field, VERY few.
Ever hear of "luck"?
Self education can also play a part, but it is EXTREMELY slow unless one is
rich enough to take a couple years.
Paul E Larson
>Successful people have drive
>Successful people get some sort of paper
>Successful people get degrees because they have drive.
>
Item 1 true
Items 2 & 3 false
Thomas A. Edison
Henry Ford
Bill Gates
Tom MacIntyre
All that is needed is the quailifier "usually" for 2&3 and they are
completely true also, and they are not "false" as they stand, they are
"occasionally false".
Edison, Ford, and Gates are extreme examples. Most people who would
try to take that path would not end up as they have. Knowledge and
ability are still the keys, and, while not completely necessary, the
pieces of paper are supposed to reflect that knowledge and ability.
Performance is the final measure.
Didn't Edison once say something about not failing 10000 times, he
simply was successful in finding that many ways that didn't work? How
many people nowadays, do you think, have that much latitude?
You may have forgotten Einstein as well. No, he had papers,
anyway...at least all the ones he wrote himself. :-)
Tom
V.O.J
Whatever.
So you have no proof of education.
Thank you for sharing that with everyone. We appreciate it very much.
I agree that experience is practically everything.
Experience in this industry has PROVEN that those who get a piece of paper
are more likely to succeed and have more drive than the average.
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V.O.J
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All of them ended up with paper.
All studied under someone else.
All except Gates were highly intelligent.
Gates is monetarily successful and then only in the same manner as the
Mafia.
Strange, with all of the "knowledge" no one mentioned Kettering. He was the
one who stated that he (Kettering institute) would not hire a graduate
engineer because they don't know how to continually fail and assume there is
one correct answer.
V.O.J
I was a well paid technician.
The week after I got my degree in Engineering, I got a job at twice the pay.
The experience and knowledge put me at the top of tech pay.
The degree with that experience and knowledge put me at about 75% up the
ladder in engineering. Within one year I was at the top of engineering pay.
Why did I go for a degree?
Arrogance while working for engineers
"If these idiots can get a degree, anyone can"
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Barry Watzman
some time (early 1980's), and I'd take issue with your characterization
of him. He was indeed both highly intelligent and visionary. Maybe not
Genius -- probably below Edison -- but he is definitely "up there",
believe me.
WF Peifer
>
> "If these idiots can get a degree, anyone can"
>
Love it! A former boss of mine (an engineer) used to have a placard on his
desk that read "Too weaks ago I culdn't eeven SPEL "injunear", and now I ARE
won!".
Rob Hammersmith
my point. Your degree only accelerated your success. With your 142 you would
have been successful regardless of your degree. Your degree just opened
doors that accelerated your success.
Give an unsuccessful person a degree (or a cert), and the doors will open
up, but the doors will eventually close because they are an unsuccessful
person. Giving them a degree (or cert) will not change that.
The reason there are not many successful people without degrees is because
most inherently successful people will accelerate their success with a
degree.
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Paul E Larson
>Fine
>Whatever.
>So you have no proof of education.
>Thank you for sharing that with everyone. We appreciate it very much.
>I agree that experience is practically everything.
>Experience in this industry has PROVEN that those who get a piece of paper
>are more likely to succeed and have more drive than the average.
>
You really should consider NOT walking into stone walls.
Jim
9/6.
Jim
Tom MacIntyre
>See the post below, but Nicholas came back and reported that he failed on
>9/6.
>
>Jim
>
I often wonder how many posts I miss here and everywhere.
As time passed, he seemed to gain respect for the task he had taken
on...
Tom
V.O.J
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> I knew and worked with Bill Gates personally, although it's been quite
> some time (early 1980's), and I'd take issue with your characterization
> of him. He was indeed both highly intelligent and visionary. Maybe not
> Genius -- probably below Edison -- but he is definitely "up there",
> believe me.
Knowing him and his intent plus statements and thievery of the early
eighties, I know that you didn't know him and he is the opposite of even
intelligent.
Lucky? Yes.
Coniving? Yes.
Honest? never.
Early 80's?
You mean when IBM rewrote everything and put some talent into his garage
shop?
Darwin Fisk
certifications. The right degree may enhance that slightly, but so might
the right certification.
I may be easy, but I'm not cheap,
DAF
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President,
Dot Net Designs LLC
Enabling business by inovation & integration
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intelligent minds.
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MCP, CCA
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V.O.J
> Some of the world's greatest criminals were also the world's most
> intelligent minds.
Most criminals ( not necessarily the same as imprisoned) are of higher
intelligence than normal.
Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
intelligence.
The average intellect of a technician or drafting designer is well above
average.
To get to the base of this News Group we are talking about individuals who
are looking for steps in ladders.
Bottom line
A-Plus cert is not a hindrance
ANY education is a plus.
The cert tells the individual, if no one else, that he/she has accomplished
a goal.
MCSEwannabe
> Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the
> lowest intelligence.
That seems rather unlikely, got any references to back that up?
V.O.J
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None off the top of my head.
I will do some back research.
Almost all research shows this to be true. ( I have a minor in Statistical
and normal psychology, a useful tool in management of all types.)
Why do you say unlikely?
Want some more stats?
1. Most extreme high income is a result of luck.
2. Silver spoon syndrome.
3. Silver spoon health syndrome.
Exceptions
Howard Hughes
Kettering
Techs and designers.
Typical background, raw intelligence and hard work and continual need to
produce with cogent solutions.
One cannot be less that stellar and be a tech or designer.
WF Peifer
>
>
> Techs and designers.
> Typical background, raw intelligence and hard work and continual need to
> produce with cogent solutions.
> One cannot be less that stellar and be a tech or designer.
>
Hmmmm. What does this say about someone who is both a Tech and a Software
Developer? Go ahead. Feed my ego. Not that it really needs it.
V.O.J
You didn't get where you are from dumb luck unless you work for your mother
in her company. :>)
I don't have to take a back seat to anyone for pieces of paper or industry
success. I know where the "good guys" are and that is why I read this News
Group.
I learn a lot here and occasionally try to add a little from my knowledge
bank.
SilverSurfer
>
> "Rob Hammersmith" <rhamme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OCFkeVaWCHA.1660@tkmsftngp09...
> > Some of the world's greatest criminals were also the world's most
> > intelligent minds.
>
>
> Most criminals ( not necessarily the same as imprisoned) are of higher
> intelligence than normal.
> Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
> intelligence.
So, if you earn a lot you are quite stupid. There is absolute no empirical
study that backs this up...period.
>
> The average intellect of a technician or drafting designer is well above
> average.
Depends on how you define average and on which groups you include and from
which country you sample your population. For example, William Bennet (the
former (?) Secratary of Education) noted that as far as math is concerned,
US students rank in the top one-third of all other countries at grade 4. At
grade 6 this is the top half and at grade 9 it is the bottom third. I am
sure however that you can study other subjects and modify your study design
and get some (slightly) other results.
ąe^(-i*pi)
In light of the revelations, then as a committed educator, I would suggest
the swapping of all US children at around age 12 with those in the UK. This
would improve the average mathematics performance of children in both
countries.
(BTW, Bill Bennet is former Secretary of Ed'n as in as in Reagan is former
President.)
"SilverSurfer" <silver...@pleasedonotsendanyemailwhatsoever.com> wrote
>
>
> Depends on how you define average and on which groups you include and from
> which country you sample your population. For example, William Bennet (the
> former (?) Secratary of Education) noted that as far as math is concerned,
> US students rank in the top one-third of all other countries at grade 4.
At
> grade 6 this is the top half and at grade 9 it is the bottom third. I am
> sure however that you can study other subjects and modify your study
design
> and get some (slightly) other results.
>
1
SilverSurfer
"ąe^(-i*pi)" <ą1...@megapathdsl.net> wrote in message
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> Lies, damn lies and "statics".
>
> In light of the revelations, then as a committed educator, I would suggest
> the swapping of all US children at around age 12 with those in the UK.
This
> would improve the average mathematics performance of children in both
> countries.
I don't see how that would help the British pupils.
>
> (BTW, Bill Bennet is former Secretary of Ed'n as in as in Reagan is former
> President.)
Yes, I realize that. The question was to be placed after the name because I
wasn't quite sure I had the right person in mind.
Rob Hammersmith
back up their brain fart.
Most criminals AND most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do people
are intelligent. The "silver spoon" and "blind luck" successful people make
up a small percentage of successful people, unless you only define the top
0.1% of the population as successful.
--
Rob Hammersmith
MCP, CCA
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Tom MacIntyre
>Most criminals are smart, but just not smart enough to stay out of jail,
>building new prisons cause they're overflowing is big-business----yikes :-)
Maybe some laws are wrong. Maybe some laws are designed to capitalize
on known human behaviour, to keep the jails filled, to give the
perception of a certain level of crime. :-?
Tom
>
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70-228
> on known human behaviour, to keep the jails filled, to give the
> perception of a certain level of crime. :-?
Like stealing cars and breaking into houses. Yeah I've noticed laws that
capitalize on that behaviour. LOL
I think we're in danger of turning this into a silly thread :-)
V.O.J
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>
> "V.O.J" <ii...@hereiam.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Rob Hammersmith" <rhamme...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OCFkeVaWCHA.1660@tkmsftngp09...
> > > Some of the world's greatest criminals were also the world's most
> > > intelligent minds.
> >
> >
> > Most criminals ( not necessarily the same as imprisoned) are of higher
> > intelligence than normal.
>
> > Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
> > intelligence.
>
> So, if you earn a lot you are quite stupid. There is absolute no empirical
> study that backs this up...period.
>
No,If you make that equate, you are stupid.
If you can't follow the statistical logic (empirical research exists) don't
comment.
No statement was made about earnings.
No vague statement was made about "a lot"
Get an education.
V.O.J
Learn the difference between intellect (ability) and education (knowledge)
MANY with lower intellect work hard and become VERY knowledgeable.
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V.O.J
> Most idiots pull words out of their ass, and then try to do the research
to
> back up their brain fart.
>
> Most criminals AND most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do people
> are intelligent. The "silver spoon" and "blind luck" successful people
make
> up a small percentage of successful people, unless you only define the top
> 0.1% of the population as successful.
>
So now we have a bunch of uneducated people who have their biases and equate
money with intellect.
O.K.
They need to first learn how to read.
No one mentioned whether any group was intelligent or not intelligent. More
and less were used.
I guess monetary worship can sway many opinions.
V.O.J
"70-228" <Tol...@ariz.ka> wrote in message
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That happened long ago.
This part started about the average person, whether "intelligent" or not,
being better off with pieces of paper.
SilverSurfer
Masters in Statistics. And the "logic" in your comment goes as follows:
People with high incomes (earn a lot) are typically of the lowest
intelligence.
So how did I misunderstand that?
>
>
Jtyc
More
> and less were used.
Are you not the person who posted this:
"Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
intelligence."
It seems to me that you did mention that this group is typically not
intelligent.
Consultant®
intelligent with each post
btw, i make ovur 125k a yeer, i must be dum
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Jtyc
> intelligent with each post
>
> btw, i make ovur 125k a yeer, i must be dum
>
Yes. You are an idiot of great magnitude. Your mother must be very proud.
I pick vegtables for a living at $1.25 per hour. Last year I grossed almost
$3000.
My IQ is 197.
Consultant®
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condition ;-)
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diamond-Šan
his mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
> thanke yu, i am to bizee cownting my monee to bauther with speling
>
>
> "SilverSurfer" <silver...@pleasedonotsendanyemailwhatsoever.com> wrote in
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> > I fell compelled to point aut that you made severel spelling misstakes.
lol...very nice!!
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was intelligent or not by equating money with intellect, using a rich Bill
Gates as an example of a rich person with low intelligence, and justifying
your claim that he has low intelligence by his objectively criminal business
practices. I said "some of the world's greatest criminals were also the
world's most intelligent minds", not equating his intelligence to his money,
but equating his intelligence to his criminal practices. Your post: "Most
successful (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
intelligence." was the first to mention whether any group was intelligent or
not by equating money with intelligence. I highly disagree, and without some
study to back you up, I am pretty sure you pulled it out of your ass.
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Tom MacIntyre
<rhamme...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Need I remind you that you were the first one to mention whether any group
>was intelligent or not by equating money with intellect, using a rich Bill
>Gates as an example of a rich person with low intelligence, and justifying
>your claim that he has low intelligence by his objectively criminal business
>practices. I said "some of the world's greatest criminals were also the
>world's most intelligent minds", not equating his intelligence to his money,
>but equating his intelligence to his criminal practices. Your post: "Most
>successful (high income), VERY well to do are generaly the lowest
>intelligence." was the first to mention whether any group was intelligent or
>not by equating money with intelligence. I highly disagree, and without some
>study to back you up, I am pretty sure you pulled it out of your ass.
I doubt that Bill Gates has low intelligence. He has not demonstrated
that he has much above average intelligence, either, but he can
certainly see a good deal when it comes along, and he knows how to
delegate.
Is there still this image of Bill, in the office, coding every version
of Windows, Office, etc? I know that nobody really knows how much
"input" is there, but, really...
Financially, he is simply the luckiest SOB who ever tried his hand at
being an entrepreneur, and all the ability stuff comes after that
simple...truth?
Tom
AmC
~snip~
Yah Huh.
So anyways, did the guy pass his test or what, did he ever report back?
AmC.
V.O.J
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Your PhD didn't teach logic nor English nor reading.
Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generally the lowest
intelligence.
TOTALLY different from your disingenuous re-write.
Now go get an education in psychology or TRY to compete with the techs and
designers. You would fail. Their livelihood depends on being precise.
V.O.J
Go back to school and learn to read.
It seems to you? What a laugh.
V.O.J
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> I fell compelled to point aut that you made severel spelling misstakes.
That's misteaks :>)
V.O.J
If you are telling the truth, you really are not alone.
197 is not a measurable level though.
V.O.J
> intelligent with each post
>
> btw, i make ovur 125k a yeer, i must be dum
Even though you only make peanuts you are still dumb.
125k a year? You think that is high income?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It is to some but you woul have to multiply that by 1000 to come close,
dummy
V.O.J
Right on.
70-228
> "SilverSurfer" <silver...@pleasedonotsendanyemailwhatsoever.com> wrote
in
> > People with high incomes (earn a lot) are typically of the lowest
> > intelligence.
> >
> > So how did I misunderstand that?
>
> Your PhD didn't teach logic nor English nor reading.
>
> Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generally the lowest
> intelligence.
>
> TOTALLY different from your disingenuous re-write.
It is? How about you reword your statement so I can see the difference
because at the moment Silver's and your statements do look synonymous. But
then I'm a tech who was never very good with words.
> Now go get an education in psychology or TRY to compete with the techs and
> designers. You would fail. Their livelihood depends on being precise.
Well flame for flaming sake here...
diamondÐan
> Most criminals are smart, but just not smart enough to stay out of jail,
> building new prisons cause they're overflowing is big-business----yikes :-)
>
The real successful criminals are not in jails. Most can go for years
w/o being caught. Case in point - Ted Kazinski, the Una-bomber. His only
mistake was having contact with his brother, who sold him out.
The guys that are in jail are typically not too swift. Not too
intelligent and make too many mistakes. If a crime is well thought out
and executed with precision, it is possible to get away with it. The
police files are filled with numerous unsolved mysteries. Granted, some
of these may be the result of blind luck on the part of the criminals
that prevented their apprehension, but you can be sure that others are
the result of careful and deliberate planning that enabled the
perpetrators to escape scot-free.
SilverSurfer
OOOOOO... That hurt. According to your statement below (and at the danger of
continuing a rather silly thread) your statement reads:
Most people that earn a lot of money (i.e. high income) are in general OF
the lowest intelligence
Here you ARE stating that people with "high income" have a low intelligence.
And before you start accosting me with regards to my English skills, I would
recommend you check you are own grammar and spelling first before you become
concerned with mu language skills (which include three different languages).
>
> Most "successful" (high income), VERY well to do are generally the lowest
> intelligence.
>
> TOTALLY different from your disingenuous re-write.
>
> Now go get an education in psychology or TRY to compete with the techs and
> designers. You would fail. Their livelihood depends on being precise.
Now, why would I want to get an education in psychology? And in what way
should I compete with techs and designers? And in fact, in my occupation as
a scientiest I have to be accurate and precise. If you want an intelligent
discussion you should probably embelish your statements a little.
>
>
>
Consultant®
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> and how much do you make?
Well, he said to multiply it by about 1000 to come close, so that means he
makes at least $125,000,000.00 per year.
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Jtyc
> It seems to you? What a laugh.
I read quite well but thank you anyway. What I find disturbing is your lack
rational discussion.
You must be a Democrat.
V.O.J
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V.O.J
I have had a high of $1,500,000
and a low of (-)$30,000
over the past ten years.
Right now about $5,000 per month and searching for a better plan.
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> news:#5xlH1yWCHA.2520@tkmsftngp09...
> > and how much do you make?
>
>
> Well, he said to multiply it by about 1000 to come close, so that means he
> makes at least $125,000,000.00 per year.
Can't read, can you?
I was referring to those who are way up there, not me.
Try to pay attention little boy, before butting in.
V.O.J
Democrats say "It seems to me"
Like, "It seems to me that we are running out of trees" Fact: Statistics:
More tree in USA today than during revolutionary war.
Glenn D. Crosse
1. Weightlifting commentator at the womens Olympic Snatch and Jerk Event:
`This is Gregoriava from Bulgaria. I saw her snatch this morning during her
warm up and it was amazing.`
2. Ted Walsh - Horse Racing Commentator: `This is really a lovely horse and
I speak from personal experience since I once mounted her mother.`
3. Grand Prix Race Announcer: `The lead car is absolutely, truly unique,
except for the one behind it which is exactly identical to the one in front
of the similar one in back.
4. Greg Norman, Pro Golfer: `I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother
and father.`
5. Ringside Boxing Analyst: `Sure there have been injuries and even some
deaths in boxing - but none of them really that serious.`
6. Baseball announcer: `If history repeats itself, I should think we can
expect the same thing again.`
7. Basketball analyst: `He dribbles a lot and the opposition doesn`t like
it. In fact you can see it all over their faces.`
8. At a trophy ceremony BBC TV Boat Race 1988: `Ah, isn`t that nice! The
wife of the Cambridge president is hugging the cox of the Oxford crew.`
9. Metro Radio, College Football: `Julian Dicks is everywhere! It`s like
they`ve got eleven Dicks on the field.`
10. Golfs US Open TV Commentator: `One of the reasons Arnie Palmer is
playing so well is that, before each final round, his wife takes out his
balls and kisses them. ....Oh my God! What have I just said?`
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diamondÐan
> Democrats say "It seems to me"
> Like, "It seems to me that we are running out of trees" Fact: Statistics:
> More tree in USA today than during revolutionary war.
>
LOL...I'm sure that there were more cell phone towers during the
revolutionary war than there are today also!
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MCSEwannabe
> Democrats say "It seems to me"
> Like, "It seems to me that we are running out of trees" Fact:
> Statistics: More tree in USA today than during revolutionary war.
Because there are more states in the union today than there was during the
revolutionary war.
Another "fact" pulled out of thin air?
Rob Hammersmith
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>
> 125k a year? You think that is high income?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> It is to some but you woul have to multiply that by 1000 to come close,
> dummy
>
>
What percentage of the population do you consider to be "some"? Because a
good majority of the population makes less than $125K a year, and would
define it (or at least consider it) to be "high income". Or is this another
comment that you pulled out of your ass?
Rob Hammersmith
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>
> "Tom MacIntyre" <tom__ma...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:tns1ouk2dure3kngp...@4ax.com...
> >
jbird
non-technical individual. Perhaps they are saying that if you knew what
you were doing, you would be better equiped to represent them and the
company's IT needs.
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> > A degree in Electronics or CS is more powerful a tool than any
> certification
> > to earn money.
> > A certification may be necessary no matter how many degrees one has.
> >
> > Your ranting shows lack of knowledge while possibly still a good
> technician.
> > Certifications may get a good job of up to $20.00 an hour.
> > A degree with the same personal drive would get $50.00 an hour
> ($100,000.00
> > / Yr)
>
> Your wrong. Your value is not determined by a slip of paper, whether that
> be a degree or cert.
>
>
V.O.J
No comment.
You have already proven that you are incapable AND uneducated.
V.O.J
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If you wish to remain totally ignorant that ids your prerogative.
If you want to check on the CONTINENTAL US.
Also check on arable land and potable water.
All of this does not mean that we should not conserve just an exposure of
lies.
V.O.J
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> In article <BYmg9.11368$S32.8...@news2.west.cox.net>, V.O.J decided to
> open his mouth and remove all doubt by saying...
>
> > Democrats say "It seems to me"
> > Like, "It seems to me that we are running out of trees" Fact:
Statistics:
> > More tree in USA today than during revolutionary war.
> >
> LOL...I'm sure that there were more cell phone towers during the
> revolutionary war than there are today also!
Rather than show your ignorance, chech it out.
The ratio is about three times unless you a liberal red doper baby diaper
worshipper. The you have a negative IQ.
That is being taught negative information rather than facts.
WF Peifer
>
>
> Democrats say "It seems to me"
> Like, "It seems to me that we are running out of trees" Fact: Statistics:
> More tree in USA today than during revolutionary war.
>
Very true. I believe the number is about 10 times as many trees now. Of
course, we have about 30 times as many square miles of territory now to
spread those trees out over. Plus, every 1-year-old sapling qualifies as a
tree. Of course, the wood contained in that little sapling pales in
comparison to the quantity of wood in the 300-year-old mighty oak that it
and 9 other saplings have replaced. And those saplings will never reach the
age or gain the grandeur of that old oak, 'cause it'll be cut down by the
time it's 30.
WF Peifer
>
>
> Even though you only make peanuts you are still dumb.
>
> 125k a year? You think that is high income?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> It is to some but you woul have to multiply that by 1000 to come close,
> dummy
>
>
You truly believe you need to make $125 million a year to "come close" to
"high income"? In a country where the median family income is less than $50
thousand, you think "coming close to high" is 2,500 times that? You're
either smoking some funny stuff, you're very bad at math, or have no concept
of modern economics. Unless you're talking about Mexican Pesos.
Tom MacIntyre
wrote:
I was thinking of $HK. :-)
If we start getting into salaries, mean, average, median, etc., I'm
going to start getting confused, and think that I'm in the major
league baseball newsgroup. Heck, the best of those guys only make
about $25M a year.
Back to the original matter of this thread...I hope the original
poster takes this lesson and learns from it, and, I think he has. He
became more respectful along the way (from the few posts I saw), and
that shows a willingness to admit when he was wrong, which is always a
plus if one wants to continue to learn. He's probably up to his elbows
in ribbon cables and power supply connectors right now... :-)
Too many people see the A+ as a walk in the park, but done properly,
it isn't. Someone with 7, 8, 10 years of messing around, tinkering,
being a techie, suddenly discovers that there's a certification, and
then discovers that he/she can pass some online practice tests with
ease, so the (natural?) misinterpretation happens...A+ is a joke. With
that train of thought, the person has downplayed every minute spent in
the past getting to where he/she is, and that can be compared to life
in general. 10 years of experience is a joke? Never...
Take a mother/father of 4, 5 kids, who has never cracked a book on
child care. Sure, they may disagree with some concepts, but if given a
common-sense test on that subject...they'll pass. It is called
experience, and, as the old expression says, it is the best teacher,
but...it isn't the only teacher.
Experience...everybody has it, and it increases every day, with or
without our cooperation, or hard work. While only breathing, eating,
and sleeping, one continues to gain experience. Sometimes it's forced
upon you, sometimes it's sought, sometimes it's good, and sometimes
it's not, but...
If a medical doctor failed an A+ test (I wonder how many have actually
ever tested?), what does that mean? If an A+ certified technician
failed a medical school entrance exam, what does that mean? It means
that this is bigger than what is hard, what is easy, what is
important, what is not. When you go in for that quadruple bypass,
don't even consider whether the doctor is A+ certified, but...when you
recover from the operation...don't let the doctor start messing with
your computer, either. :-)
Tom
V.O.J
I hope you're not dumb enough to NOT listen to your customers.
You seem not to know what "very" means.
There are several hundred BILLIONaires.
Don't play games just because you have NEVER studied Psychology or
Management other than maybe a single semester or read a pamphlet.
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Tom MacIntyre
>Go argue with your customers that way.
>I hope you're not dumb enough to NOT listen to your customers.
>
>You seem not to know what "very" means.
>
>There are several hundred BILLIONaires.
>
>Don't play games just because you have NEVER studied Psychology or
>Management other than maybe a single semester or read a pamphlet.
>
Do you realize how much credibility you have (possibly) lost in this
single newsgroup thread? :-)
Tom