NEWS: iPhone Stumps Hackers
John Navas
Unlocking the iPhone is proving to be more difficult than some
hackers had expected.
Hackers are working to unlock Apple Inc.'s iPhone, but the job
appears to be more difficult than initially expected.
Hackers had hoped that modifying the iPhone's bootloader -- the
program that runs before the operating system is loaded -- would
unlock the handset. But that turned out to be a dead end, as the
bootloader code must be signed using a 1,024-bit RSA private key
employed by Apple, according to an update released last week by
hackers working together on the #iphone IRC (Internet Relay Chat)
channel.
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Tinman
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134598-c,iphone/article.html>
>
> Unlocking the iPhone is proving to be more difficult than some
> hackers had expected.
I thought they did quite well. The hack I used to activate my iPhone without
at&t worked fine. That gave me a little time to think about whether to go
with a post-pay or a prepay plan (just went with the former).
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Cari
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"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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John Navas
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:15:17 -0700, "Cari" <NewsG...@coribright.com>
wrote in <5g2g1pF...@mid.individual.net>:
>Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
>"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
Kevin Weaver
> Not true -- read more carefully.
>
John Navas
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>> Not true -- read more carefully.
>>
>Top posting now ?
When appropriate, yes.
Usenet nanny now? Best you can do? ;)
Kevin Weaver
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:06:12 GMT, "Kevin Weaver"
> <kevinkei...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
> <8CUmi.19431$Rw1....@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>:
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>>"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>news:kf4o93977eqpv7tqm...@4ax.com...
>>> Not true -- read more carefully.
>>>
>>Top posting now ?
>
> When appropriate, yes.
>
> Usenet nanny now? Best you can do? ;)
No. Would not want to deflate you big head.
You have no problem trying to make the people here think your the one in
charge. Just keep makeing up your own rules as you go.
That's why your so-called charter don't mean squat.
George Kerby
On 7/16/07 7:15 PM, in article 5g2g1pF...@mid.individual.net, "Cari"
<NewsG...@coribright.com> wrote:
> Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
Whoopie! A phone that is NOT a phone!
I guess by today's masses, that is a measure of success.
Sorta like a satellite dish receiver that gets locals, but no card for the
other channels...
Todd Allcock
> Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
He (and others) have only managed to bypass the AT&T activation process
so you can use the iPhone as an iNoPhone- meaning they can use it as an
iPod and internet tablet without phone or cellular data capabilities.
No one has managed to "unlock" an iPhone to work as a phone on any
service provider other than AT&T.
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Tinman
>
>
>
> On 7/16/07 7:15 PM, in article 5g2g1pF...@mid.individual.net, "Cari"
> <NewsG...@coribright.com> wrote:
>
>> Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
> Whoopie! A phone that is NOT a phone!
>
There are people who seem to be happy using the iPhone as a Web-enabled
widescreen iPod. Heck, I paid about the same amount as an iPhone back in
2000 for an iPaq PPC. I then spent the same amount again adding a PC Card
sleeve and a WiFi card. Oops, then another $500 for a 1 GB MicroDrive.
Compared to that the iPhone is a bargain, even without using it as a phone.
And the Web via WiFi on the iPhone is better than any other PDA--or smart
phone for that matter--that I've ever used before. At home should I need to
check the Web I find myself reaching for my iPhone rather than going to a
PC, something I rarely did in the past.
I originally used the hack reported in the above article to activate my
iPhone without at&t. Yes I knew I could have cancelled service within 14
days but I wanted a better feel for the iPhone without having to go though
all of that. I had tested the phone part at an Apple store, so aside from
coverage--and yes that's a biggie--there wasn't much to test. I suppose I
also didn't like that my $600 device couldn't be used at all without at&t's
permission.
In addition, the fact that Jon was able to come up with this hack so soon,
as well as the work being done with iPhone Interface, indicated to me that
there was a good probability of more functionality coming to the iPhone in
the future. Yes, Mac and iPhone fans have been saying that since before it
was released, but for me the appearance of these hacks seemed to make that
scenario much more likely. Perhaps the SIM lock isn't crackable, but that
part isn't all that important to me.
In any event the above hack, at least in part, helped influence me to buy an
iPhone (which I have subsequently activated with an at&t iPhone plan).
Apparently it's influencing others, in places where the iPhone is not
available, to buy one too, even without phone functionality. I think it's a
good thing, as the more iPhones out there the more stuff we will see for it.
IMHO, YMMV, etc., etc.
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John Navas
<5g4dfbF...@mid.individual.net>:
>In addition, the fact that Jon was able to come up with this hack so soon,
>as well as the work being done with iPhone Interface, indicated to me that
>there was a good probability of more functionality coming to the iPhone in
>the future. ...
I think that's a huge unwarranted leap of faith. Doing the easy thing
doesn't mean the hard thing is any more doable.
John Navas
<elecc...@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in
<7627037502007071...@AmericaOnLine.com>:
>At 16 Jul 2007 17:15:17 -0700 Cari wrote:
>> Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
>
>He (and others) have only managed to bypass the AT&T activation process
>so you can use the iPhone as an iNoPhone- meaning they can use it as an
>iPod and internet tablet without phone or cellular data capabilities.
>
>No one has managed to "unlock" an iPhone to work as a phone on any
>service provider other than AT&T.
Much less open the underlying OS.
Tinman
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:44:07 -0700, "Tinman" <a...@for.it> wrote in
> <5g4dfbF...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>>In addition, the fact that Jon was able to come up with this hack so soon,
>>as well as the work being done with iPhone Interface, indicated to me that
>>there was a good probability of more functionality coming to the iPhone in
>>the future. ...
>
> I think that's a huge unwarranted leap of faith. Doing the easy thing
> doesn't mean the hard thing is any more doable.
What would be a huge unwarranted leap of faith is trusting your opinion. You
barely know anything accurate about cellphone technology and are about the
last person I'd trust for an opinion in another area.
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Tinman
> At 16 Jul 2007 17:15:17 -0700 Cari wrote:
>> Untrue, JonJo did it as soon as he got his hands on one.
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19633254/
>
>
> He (and others) have only managed to bypass the AT&T activation process
> so you can use the iPhone as an iNoPhone- meaning they can use it as an
> iPod and internet tablet without phone or cellular data capabilities.
>
> No one has managed to "unlock" an iPhone to work as a phone on any
> service provider other than AT&T.
Yet. While it's still not to the point of working with other carriers (I
personally don't care about that) here is a rather new development:
"Hacking the iPhone is going slowly, but the sheer number of people working
on it means that progres is being made. The latest news from the iPhone Dev
Wiki is iASign, a Mac application which will generate an unlock code for the
iPhone, based on the Device ID, IMEI (the universal serial number) and ICCID
(Integrated Circuit Card ID) numbers.
This doesn't mean that you can use the iPhone with another carrier, but it
does mean that you don't need the special iPhone SIM to get the phone
working. And if the reports are true, you can pop in any Cingular or AT&T
SIM and make calls, useful if you are an existing customer and don't want to
pick up the iPhone call plan.
It's not an easy hack. You'll need some knowledge of the command line and
also how to replace files on the iPhone, but if you are up to the
task, the iPhone Dev people say it works great.
As before, the wiki folks have asked us not to link to the site in case it
collapses again. If you can help, though, check out the IRC channel."
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/07/hack-update-iph.html
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