ANNOUNCEMENT: Yankee takes a rest
Marc Lechowicz
topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
those discussions, at least for the time being.
I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
on these topics.
Thank you.
Yankee
--
Prov. 27:14 "If a man loudly blesses his neighbor early in the morning,
it will be taken as a curse."...and it is ALWAYS morning somewhere!
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The Trinker
Marc Lechowicz wrote:
>
> As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
> those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
> I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
> please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
> on these topics.
Not disrespecting your feelings on this matter, Yankee, but there's
a distance between "in disagreement with" and "offended by" that I
feel you've shortened.
The Trinker
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Lee S. Billings
marcle...@webtv.net says...
>
>As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out
>of those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
>I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you
to
>please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to
>me on these topics.
Doesn't seem foolish to me; sometimes we all just need a break. Take
the time you need and don't worry about it.
Care to join me for the next waltz in the "Dance With Me" thread?
Celine
--
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-- Janet Kagan, _HellSpark_
SteveS424
>As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
>those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
>I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
>please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
>on these topics.
>
>
>Yankee
I don't blame you. An innocent, potentially fun post about hunting down Murphy
being turned into a religious argument is ridiculous.
Steve
Some day soon we'll stop to ponder
What on Earth's this spell we're under?
We make the grade, and still we wonder
Who the hell we are. ---Styx, "The Grand Illusion"
Dan Goodman
Marc Lechowicz <marcle...@webtv.net> wrote:
>As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
>those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
>I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
>please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
>on these topics.
Has a _majority_ really been saying they're offended?
I know I haven't -- because I've been staying out of such topics. For two
reasons. The lesser is that one or another of my positions would probably
offend just about everyone here. I'm liberal on some issues, left of
liberal on others, agree with some conservatives on still others. And
there are some on which I consider libertarians too enamoured of
government and too fearful of a free market.
The main one: I don't want to discuss any position which I am not
prepared to change.
[posted and emailed]
--
Dan Goodman
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http://www.visi.com/~dsgood/index.html
Whatever you wish for me, may you have twice as much.
Dan Goodman
SteveS424 <stev...@aol.comnospam> wrote:
>Yankee said:
>>As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>>topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
>>those discussions, at least for the time being.
>>
>>I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
>>please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
>>on these topics.
>>
>>
>>Yankee
>
>I don't blame you. An innocent, potentially fun post about hunting down Murphy
>being turned into a religious argument is ridiculous.
Since Murphy is obviously an avatar of Loki, it was a thinly-disguised
attack on Asatru. :)
Alun Jones
> Marc Lechowicz wrote:
> >
> > As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
> > topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
> > those discussions, at least for the time being.
> >
> > I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
> > please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
> > on these topics.
>
> a distance between "in disagreement with" and "offended by" that I
> feel you've shortened.
What he/she said. (Never can remember who's what)
I've taken some strong disagreement, umbrage and even occasional out and out
gobsmacked confusion at what you've said, Yankee.
I've also agreed with much of what you've said in large terms. [Being an
agnostic, I would find the small details such as names and other
assignations will differ.]
However, out of respect for Usenet traditions, I and many others have not
responded with a "me too" or any other affirming statement.
This is more of a debating forum than a discursive one, and as such, you
should know that every post you make is liable to be followed by another
that posts a dissenting opinion. Dissent does not equate to offense, nor
does it indicate a mob mentality, nor a majority that finds your view to be
incorrect in their eyes.
Gombo.
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John Palmer
<k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
>
>Marc Lechowicz wrote:
>>
>> As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
>> those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
>Not disrespecting your feelings on this matter, Yankee, but there's
>a distance between "in disagreement with" and "offended by" that I
>feel you've shortened.
I kind of agree, insofar as I think the statement would be
better worded as "No matter what I say, I feel as if I'll be hassled
for it."
But I also can see how "in disagreement with" can seem like
"offended by" after you've been rubbed pretty raw on the issue. That
is, I don't feel that he's necessarily 'shortened' the distance so
much as he's perceiving less distance than he might otherwise.
--
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is great power in both creation and destruction, but creation focuses power,
and destruction disperses it. This is the superiority of creation.
mae...@syrah.enteract.com
> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
> those discussions, at least for the time being.
maenad places a dollar on the bar for Yankee's next drink.
"I do think you're exaggerating about the 'majority' thing - there are
thousands of people who read this group, yanno. But I completely understand
how you might be tired of fighting. I'm glad you're staying."
maenad - see you in the fun threads! :)
remove grape to reply.
The Trinker
John Palmer wrote:
>
> On Sun, 23 May 1999 22:14:52 -0700, The Trinker
> <k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Marc Lechowicz wrote:
> >>
> >> As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
> >> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
> >> those discussions, at least for the time being.
> >
> >Not disrespecting your feelings on this matter, Yankee, but there's
> >a distance between "in disagreement with" and "offended by" that I
> >feel you've shortened.
>
> I kind of agree, insofar as I think the statement would be
> better worded as "No matter what I say, I feel as if I'll be hassled
> for it."
Hassled, or asked to explain?
> But I also can see how "in disagreement with" can seem like
> "offended by" after you've been rubbed pretty raw on the issue. That
> is, I don't feel that he's necessarily 'shortened' the distance so
> much as he's perceiving less distance than he might otherwise.
I didn't think I implied conscious action, but I can see how it
might read that way.
Perhaps all this is a cultural difference. I grew up around folks who
welcomed and expected extended discussion on controversial topics.
Since then, I've encountered many people who were raised to avoid
controversy at any price, as well as those who think that dissent is
rude.
Greg Hartman
> I never learned anything from someone who agreed with me 100%.
Now THERE'S a good point!
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marcle...@webtv.net (Marc Lechowicz) wrote:
> As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
> those discussions, at least for the time being.
>
> I know, it seems foolish, but I need a break from it all. I ask you to
> please respect my position, and no longer post questions directed to me
> on these topics.
>
> Thank you.
>
Come on over to my table in the back, old sport.
I'll amuse you magic tricks and as I've a thick hide and a wide blast
shadow, you can have a little R&R, safe from the kneejerk flames from some
of the folks here.
And if you wish to wax eloquent on those touchy subjects, I shall lend an
attentive and respectful ear.
I never learned anything from someone who agreed with me 100%.
P&E
--
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<http://www.gis.net/~cht>
Marc Lechowicz
>maenad places a dollar on the bar
>for Yankee's next drink.
Thanks. May I reciprocate?
>"I do think you're exaggerating
>about the 'majority' thing - there
>are thousands of people who read
>this group, yanno. But I completely
>understand how you might be tired
>of fighting. I'm glad you're staying."
I may be exaggerating slightly. But I do need the rest.
>maenad - see you in the fun threads! :)
Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
mae...@syrah.enteract.com
> >maenad places a dollar on the bar
> >for Yankee's next drink.
> Thanks. May I reciprocate?
Yes, thank you! I'm in need of seriously good coffee this morning.
> >maenad - see you in the fun threads! :)
> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
*giggle* No, but I'll watch. Didn't someone else just sink it? Are you
going to raise it and then blow it up or blow it up where it lies?
maenad
remove grape to reply.
Joyce
garden has West Texas summer sunshine, a view of the stars, lounge
chairs, KFC, and of course ice cream. It's a good place to chill out
between threads.
Joyce.
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John Palmer
<k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
>
>John Palmer wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 23 May 1999 22:14:52 -0700, The Trinker
>> <k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>> >Marc Lechowicz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As it appears that no matter WHAT I say on any religious or political
>> >> topic is offensive to the majority of the group, I will be bowing out of
>> >> those discussions, at least for the time being.
>> >
>> >Not disrespecting your feelings on this matter, Yankee, but there's
>> >a distance between "in disagreement with" and "offended by" that I
>> >feel you've shortened.
>>
>> I kind of agree, insofar as I think the statement would be
>> better worded as "No matter what I say, I feel as if I'll be hassled
>> for it."
>
>Hassled, or asked to explain?
Well, that's why I put in "feel as if"; feelings can be true
whether they 'should' be or not.
>> But I also can see how "in disagreement with" can seem like
>> "offended by" after you've been rubbed pretty raw on the issue. That
>> is, I don't feel that he's necessarily 'shortened' the distance so
>> much as he's perceiving less distance than he might otherwise.
>
>
>I didn't think I implied conscious action, but I can see how it
>might read that way.
Nod. I didn't take you to be implying conscious action; I was
just kinda saying "you have a good point, and that could be conscious
or unconscious, and I think it's more the latter."
>
>Perhaps all this is a cultural difference. I grew up around folks who
>welcomed and expected extended discussion on controversial topics.
>Since then, I've encountered many people who were raised to avoid
>controversy at any price, as well as those who think that dissent is
>rude.
I'm not thinking culture so much as feelings. I was asked a
question twice in the "accidental rape" thread that got me upset, even
though the question was respectfully asked. I very nearly snapped at
the second person who asked, which was when I realized I was upset.
Although there wasn't even all that much controversy/dissent
raised, it still put me into a weird emotional state. I 'felt'
attacked, even though I clearly, objectively, was not being attacked.
(Or hassled, or what have you.)
Once the feelings got to a certain point, it didn't really matter
what was going on; the feeling was there. Emotions are like skin, and
when they're tender and raw, even gentle, otherwise pleasant touches
are painful. (I actually think emotions are more like muscles,
actually, but that didn't fit my analogy here quite as well.)
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Susan Cohen
Marc Lechowicz wrote:
> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
Susan
Marc Lechowicz
>>Wanna help me help Copper
>>Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
Susan Cohen:
>I assume you mean in the sense of
>"inflate it so that it floats...?"
No, Copper Squirrel wants to go back in time and blow it up in the
harbour.
coppers
wrote:
>
>
>Marc Lechowicz wrote:
>
>> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
>
>I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
>
Yeah! That's the ticket! Inflate it so it floats right out of
the atmosphere and becomes a menace to interplanetary travel!
@^^^^^^@
@ >> @
@ >> %) @
@ >> (&)~ @
@ >>((& @ The Copper Squirrel in His Virtual Tree
@^^^"^^@ copper_...@yahoo.com
#
# "Let us all be happy and live within our means
# Even if we have to borrow the money to do it with."
# Artemus Ward
Lee S. Billings
>
>
>
>Marc Lechowicz wrote:
>
>> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
>
>I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
Nope, as in "blow it up in the harbor before it sets sail." That way
(1) many lives would be spared, and (2) we'd all have been spared a
really tacky movie.
Joyce
Yankee:
> >>Wanna help me help Copper
> >>Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
Susan Cohen:
> >I assume you mean in the sense of
> >"inflate it so that it floats...?"
Yankee:
> No, Copper Squirrel wants to go back
> in time and blow it up in the harbour.
Joyce:
Before it is launched; making sure no
work crew are aboard...
Greg Baker
The fat man with the handlebar mustache checks his Jane's
Fighting Ships to see if he can borrow a U-boat, starting
the First World War early and getting it over with.
Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:7igp1o$lhp$4...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net...
> In article <374B3670...@smart.nett>, ze...@smart.nett says...
> >
> >
> >
> >Marc Lechowicz wrote:
> >
> >> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
> >
> >I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
>
Joyce
> The fat man with the handlebar mustache checks his Jane's
> Fighting Ships to see if he can borrow a U-boat, starting
> the First World War early and getting it over with.
..setting the thread as far adrift as the Titanic itself was :))
Joyce.
Susan Cohen
"Lee S. Billings" wrote:
> In article <374B3670...@smart.nett>, ze...@smart.nett says...
> >
> >
> >
> >Marc Lechowicz wrote:
> >
> >> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
> >
> >I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
>
> Nope, as in "blow it up in the harbor before it sets sail." That way
> (1) many lives would be spared, and (2) we'd all have been spared a
> really tacky movie.
Oh.
Can I have the boarding suit?
(J. Petermen, even if they're not out of business
is seleling them for about $2,000!)
Susan
Rivka
Rebecca Schoenberg wrote in message
<9278597...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net>...
>I guess I might as well play my
>'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and
unattractive'
>card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom
Noone
>Understands....."
>
> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
Rivka grins. "It's okay, Banshee. I can't abide cats, don't swoon over
men with long hair, don't have long hair myself, and don't care for
Heinlein either. And I *loved* 'Gone With the Wind.' Did you see it in
the theater for its re-release? I was so powerfully moved by the Civil
War scenes on the big screen..."
--
Rivka is ri...@iowacity.net and a fourth-year graduate student in
clinical psych, and was recently described as "Rebecca of Sunnybrook
Farm fallen in with bad companions."
The Trinker
Rivka wrote:
>
> Rebecca Schoenberg wrote in message
> <9278597...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net>...
>
> >I guess I might as well play my
> >'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and
> unattractive'
> >card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom
> Noone
> >Understands....."
> >
> > -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> > pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
>
> Rivka grins. "It's okay, Banshee. I can't abide cats, don't swoon over
> men with long hair, don't have long hair myself, and don't care for
> Heinlein either. And I *loved* 'Gone With the Wind.' Did you see it in
> the theater for its re-release? I was so powerfully moved by the Civil
> War scenes on the big screen..."
"Careful, darlin', you might find that you've become a Proper
Southern Lady one day, and you'll get your yankee card yanked."
The Trinker
who likes GWTW, likes cold pizza only if it's *good* pizza,
likes Heinlein most of the time, and likes Connery and Gibson.
Sittin' on the fence, as usual. (That's why I don't like picket
fences. They're POINTY!)
Rebecca Schoenberg
:>> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
:>
:>I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
: Nope, as in "blow it up in the harbor before it sets sail." That way
: (1) many lives would be spared, and (2) we'd all have been spared a
: really tacky movie.
The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
*sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
'Wuthering Heights' and Hawthorne.... I guess I might as well play my
Susan Cohen
Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
> Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> :>> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
> :>
> :>I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
>
> : Nope, as in "blow it up in the harbor before it sets sail." That way
> : (1) many lives would be spared, and (2) we'd all have been spared a
> : really tacky movie.
>
> The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
> *sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
> 'Wuthering Heights'
Which one? Olivier? Yum!
> and Hawthorne
I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
> .... I guess I might as well play my
> 'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
Wow! Oooh, that smarts....
> card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
> Understands....."
Now, now - don't go off & eat those worms just yet....
> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
Hey, I don;t like him, either. Okay, as a writer - I never met him.
I even watch Gone With the Wind (when the Darling Hubby isn't around)
and, for some reeason, I don't like cold pizza anymore....
Susan
Noel Lynne Figart
wrote:
>Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote:
>
>>The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
>>*sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
>>'Wuthering Heights' and Hawthorne.... I guess I might as well play my
>>'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
>>card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
>>Understands....."
>>
>> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
>> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
>
>"Nah, I'll join you - I didn't love Titanic, but I liked it much
>better than I expected. In fact, I quite like DiCaprio - I can't
>really see why he annoys people that much. Mel Gibson (and, indeed
>most of the other big Hollywood names) does nothing for me at all, I
>_hate_ cold pizza and I'm not that thrilled with Heinlein.
>
>"I haven't read 'Wuthering Heights' and um, actually, I've haven't
>seen 'Gone With the Wind' either, but I think I'd probably like both.
Noel sends Banshee and Kirsty HPOHC (Hot Pizzas Of Her Choice),
several books written in the 19th century romantic tradition, two
fainting couches up which to read them and a graceful, elfin young man
to wait upon them.
"Enjoy yourselves."
__________
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Liana Olear
: Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
: > Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote:
: >
: > The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
: > *sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
: > 'Wuthering Heights'
: Which one? Olivier? Yum!
Never saw Wuthering Heights. Never saw Titanic, either (it seemed too
tragically romantic for my tastes), but I like DiCaprio. I like Keanu
Reeves, too.
: > and Hawthorne
: I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
: No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
: > .... I guess I might as well play my
: > 'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
I'm with you on Gibson, but not on Connery. I also strongly dislike
Eastwood.
: > card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
: > Understands....."
: Now, now - don't go off & eat those worms just yet....
Care for some Gummi Worms? I got some Sour ones too. :) (ok, I admit it,
I am addicted to Gummi-things)
: > -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
: > pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
: Hey, I don;t like him, either. Okay, as a writer - I never met him.
: I even watch Gone With the Wind (when the Darling Hubby isn't around)
: and, for some reeason, I don't like cold pizza anymore....
I like Heinlein but not cold pizza (for that matter, I am not all that
fond of hot pizza either, with a few notable exceptions). I've seen Gone
With the Wind, but never had a chance to actually _watch_ it, so no
comments there.
Liana
Martin Julian DeMello
> The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
> *sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
> 'Wuthering Heights' and Hawthorne.... I guess I might as well play my
> 'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
> card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
> Understands....."
Hmm - I liked Titanic, Wuthering Heights I wouldn't have read on my own,
because the characters annoyed me intensely, but I enjoyed studying it.
Never read Hawthorne (too many books etc.). I certainly don't find Sean
Connery or Mel Gibson attractive :) Keep trying...
> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
Aha! Gone With the Wind was an intensely annoying movie, and the only reason
I didn't throw something at the screen was that I got up and turned off the
VCR. You're weird, sir <g>. (But yes, cold pizza sucks.)
--
Martin DeMello/zem
The Trinker
Martin Julian DeMello wrote:
>
> Aha! Gone With the Wind was an intensely annoying movie, and the only reason
> I didn't throw something at the screen was that I got up and turned off the
> VCR. You're weird, sir <g>. (But yes, cold pizza sucks.)
zem, pizza that has attained *mobility* is long past its prime!
The Trinker
The Trinker
Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
> "I just can't stand cold cooked tomatos. Cold raw tomatos are fine, and
> hot cooked tomatos, but cold tomato sauce makes me queasy."
>
> -banshee, who has never tried cold pizza with no sauce
Ketchup?
Rebecca Schoenberg
: Rebecca Schoenberg wrote in message
: <9278597...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net>...
:>I guess I might as well play my 'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson
:>physically bland and unattractive' card and firmly secure my position in
:>the society of Whackos Whom Noone Understands....."
:>
:> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
:> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
: Rivka grins. "It's okay, Banshee. I can't abide cats, don't swoon over
: men with long hair, don't have long hair myself, and don't care for
: Heinlein either. And I *loved* 'Gone With the Wind.' Did you see it in
: the theater for its re-release? I was so powerfully moved by the Civil
: War scenes on the big screen..."
Banshee squirms enthusiastically. "You bet I did! In the big, old historical
theatre near where I went to undergrad. My boyfriend earned the title of
Most WOnderful Guy Ever for actually volunteering to take me to see it. :)
It was so much more impressive there than on tv.
"And you're not alone on the short hair, either. I'm one of about 3 holdouts
in my class or my social circle with hair longer than chin-length; there's
been an alarming rash of head-shaving going on around here...."
-banshee, not that head shaving is bad; it's just a bit shocking
when you say good-bye to someone with past-shoulder-length curls and
they come in the next morning bald....
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> :>> Wanna help me help Copper Squirrel blow up the Titanic?
:> :>
:> :>I assume you mean in the sense of "inflate it so that it floats...?"
:>
:> : Nope, as in "blow it up in the harbor before it sets sail." That way
:> : (1) many lives would be spared, and (2) we'd all have been spared a
:> : really tacky movie.
:>
:> The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
:> *sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
:> 'Wuthering Heights'
: Which one? Olivier? Yum!
"The book. Never saw any movie, and I have no desire to."
:> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
:> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
: Hey, I don;t like him, either. Okay, as a writer - I never met him.
"Good point, I probably should have put that qualifier in.
: I even watch Gone With the Wind (when the Darling Hubby isn't around)
: and, for some reeason, I don't like cold pizza anymore....
"I just can't stand cold cooked tomatos. Cold raw tomatos are fine, and
Rebecca Schoenberg
: Never saw Wuthering Heights. Never saw Titanic, either (it seemed too
: tragically romantic for my tastes), but I like DiCaprio. I like Keanu
: Reeves, too.
"Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a tragedy,
not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then again, I'm a
confirmed angst-bunny.
: : I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
: : No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
: I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
"Never saw the movie; I found out what they did to the ending and had no
desire to ever subject myself to it. I liked the book enough not to want
to see it changed like that.
: I'm with you on Gibson, but not on Connery. I also strongly dislike
: Eastwood.
*shrug* "I wouldn't know; I don't think I've ever seen Eastwood in anything.
I'm not particularly fond of his style of movie.
: : Now, now - don't go off & eat those worms just yet....
: Care for some Gummi Worms? I got some Sour ones too. :) (ok, I admit it,
: I am addicted to Gummi-things)
"Ooh, yum! Can I have some of the sour ones? :)
-banshee, also a fan of Gummis
Rebecca Schoenberg
:>>The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
:>>*sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
:>>'Wuthering Heights' and Hawthorne.... I guess I might as well play my
:>>'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
:>>card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
:>>Understands....."
:>>
:>> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
:>> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
:>
:>"Nah, I'll join you - I didn't love Titanic, but I liked it much
:>better than I expected. In fact, I quite like DiCaprio - I can't
:>really see why he annoys people that much. Mel Gibson (and, indeed
:>most of the other big Hollywood names) does nothing for me at all, I
:>_hate_ cold pizza and I'm not that thrilled with Heinlein.
:>
:>"I haven't read 'Wuthering Heights' and um, actually, I've haven't
:>seen 'Gone With the Wind' either, but I think I'd probably like both.
: Noel sends Banshee and Kirsty HPOHC (Hot Pizzas Of Her Choice),
: several books written in the 19th century romantic tradition, two
: fainting couches up which to read them and a graceful, elfin young man
: to wait upon them.
Banshee gratefully offers Noel an enthusiastic thank-you hug and a promise
of future rewards before curling up on the chair with a copy of 'Rose in
Bloom' and a slice of Pizeria Uno's deep dish Sea Delico pizza, as the young
elfin gentleman begins to rub her feet.
-banshee, who could get entirely too used to this :)
Sxcc
>The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly.
"Eeek!"
> "But I *liked* the movie!
"Oh, is *that* what the mild temper-fit is about." The grizzly wipes his
forehead.
>*sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic'
"Never saw it -- no time."
> and 'Wuthering Heights'
"Read it once, in high school English. Haven't since -- no time."
> and Hawthorne....
"I liked the book version of _Scarlet Letter_. Haven't read it in a while --
no time."
> I guess I might as well play my
>'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
>card
"Well, they don't do much for me either." He grins.
>and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
>Understands....."
"I'd join too, but I haven't got the time." Is there a trend developing here?
> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,'
"Book or movie? They're both long enough that I don't have the time." Yes,
there is definitely a trend developing here.
> can't stand cold pizza,
"I'll *make* time for pizza. Microwaves don't take long."
> and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
"How 'bout hugs?"
Warin (you're expecting me to say something about 'not having time' in my sig
now, aren't you? Hah! Fooled you!)
Warin the grizzly bear and Catchild the smallish black panther
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Arnis Kletnieks
: *shrug* "I wouldn't know; I don't think I've ever seen Eastwood in anything.
: I'm not particularly fond of his style of movie.
"The archetypical Eastwood movie isn't terribly interesting.
However, since he got a little older, Mr. Eastwood has actually done some
interesting things (the titles elude me for the moment). The man can
actually act, and develop a character through a movie. While he doesn't
abandon the tough guy persona, he gives it a bit of soul these days...
-Umbran, not fond of Dirty Harry
mcm5
> Liana Olear <lol...@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>
> : Never saw Wuthering Heights. Never saw Titanic, either (it seemed too
> : tragically romantic for my tastes), but I like DiCaprio. I like Keanu
> : Reeves, too.
>
> "Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
> I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
> background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a tragedy,
> not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then again, I'm a
> confirmed angst-bunny.
>
Pity they didn't have *accurate* background charaters! Especially the guy,
(name escapes me at moment) who was portrayed as the baddie shooting
people. Actually, he was a hero, and recieved posthumous awards. This
resulted in its being boycotted in Dalbeattie (Blokie's home town) and
elsewhere in Scotland.
Aglokulo
--
"A little respectful irreverence is good for the soul."
Rebecca Schoenberg
: Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
:> "I just can't stand cold cooked tomatos. Cold raw tomatos are fine, and
:> hot cooked tomatos, but cold tomato sauce makes me queasy."
:>
:> -banshee, who has never tried cold pizza with no sauce
: Ketchup?
"Bleah! Can't stand the stuff. I prefer whole tomato slices on hamburgers,
mustard on hot dogs, and nothing or ranch dressing on french fries. Ketchup
is icky."
-banshee, not a very picky eater, bu with some odd quirks
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> "Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
:> I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
:> background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a
:> tragedy, not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then again,
:> I'm a confirmed angst-bunny.
:>
: Pity they didn't have *accurate* background charaters! Especially the guy,
: (name escapes me at moment) who was portrayed as the baddie shooting
: people. Actually, he was a hero, and recieved posthumous awards. This
: resulted in its being boycotted in Dalbeattie (Blokie's home town) and
: elsewhere in Scotland.
"Which guy? I don't remember any character like that - the only bad guys
I remember were the evil fiancee and his henchman, both of which I sort of
assumed were fictional characters.
"Did you mean the ship's employee, who during the boarding of the lifeboats
accidentally shot one person, and then killed himself in remorse? I really
didn't see him as being put forth as a baddie, just another representation
of the hysteria and the tragedy, and the way good people can be overwhelmed
by circumstance...."
"Also, of course, there's the fact that it's fiction, and clearly billed as
such....."
-banshee, who loved 'The Prince of Egypt,' even though she's pretty
sure that Moses and Ramses never race chariots down the nose of the
Sphinx
The Trinker
Ah. At least you're consistent!
The Trinker
who is famous for distressing her mother by eating cold leftovers.
<g>
Greg Baker
Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote in message
news:92798074...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net...
"Banshee," said the fat man with the handlebar moustache, "the problem with
a big-production movie like 'TITANIC' is people see the movie and think it's
history.
"For example, the widow of John Belushi was rather upset by Bob Woodward's
_WIRED_ biography. She said to the papers, 'I mean, I thought - how could
Bob Woodward do something like that?'
"Now, I know the average Callahanian has a better grip on reality than
that. (Not necessarily firmer, just better). But the movies influence life
more than Hollywood would have senatorial inquisitors think.
"My own particular beef with TITANIC came in the radio room. I'm a
ham operator with a lousy fist, and I could send 'CQD DE MGY' faster
than those purported pros. Furthermore, a radio operator doesn't ask
the captain, 'You mean CQD, sir?' The op just starts sending CQD.
"Parenthetically," continued the fat man with the handlebar mustache,
"the Titanic was also the first ship ever to send SOS as a distress call.
The convention establishing SOS came into effect April 1, 1912. One
of the two operators, jokingly, said to the other, 'You might as well
send SOS - it might be the last time you ever get the chance.' The
surviving operator of the pair told this to Walter Lord, who wrote the
best book on the Titanic, _A NIGHT TO REMEMBER_
"In Britain, where the merchant marine tradition is stronger than in,
say, Dayton Ohio, the villagers of the Titanic officer so badly portrayed
had to be mollified with an apology, but the producer didn't correct
the misimpression on film.
"Historical accuracy is vital because the pain of such an act goes
on for generations.
"Think of, as another example, William Patrick Hitler. Yes, he was
related. A half-nephew. Mr. Hitler served his time in the US Navy
during the Second World War. It was good propaganda, but you
do not see too many Hitlers, or even Adolfs, these days.
"Shakespeare was right. The evil that men do lives after them. The
good is oft interred with their bones.
"We can make partial compensation for unjustified infamy - such
as Mr. Julian Putkowski's campaign in the UK to restore some of
the good name of unfortunate privates shot at dawn because they
couldn't take another day in the trenches and ran away. Or by
changing the name of the Washington Redskins club (and I'm a
WFC fan!) But the best thing to do is to get the facts right in the
first place.
Liana Olear
: Liana Olear <lol...@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: "Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
: I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
: background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a tragedy,
: not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then again, I'm a
: confirmed angst-bunny.
I dislike tear-jerkers. Strongly. And if I want angst, I can watch the
news - I prefer movies to be lighter and less depressing.
: : : I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
: : : No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
: : I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
: "Never saw the movie; I found out what they did to the ending and had no
: desire to ever subject myself to it. I liked the book enough not to want
: to see it changed like that.
I hated the book, so while in general I prefer that movies don't change
book endings, this one was not a big loss as far as I was concerned.
Liana,
sharing Gummi and Sour Worms with all interested
Liana Olear
: -banshee, who loved 'The Prince of Egypt,' even though she's pretty
: sure that Moses and Ramses never race chariots down the nose of the
: Sphinx
I liked "The Prince of Egypt" too. I think it was very tastefully done -
I was very surprised at how much I enjoyed it.
Liana
Rebecca Schoenberg
: Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote:
: : Liana Olear <lol...@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote:
: : "Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
: : I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
: : background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a
: : tragedy, not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then
: : again, I'm a confirmed angst-bunny.
: I dislike tear-jerkers. Strongly. And if I want angst, I can watch the
: news - I prefer movies to be lighter and less depressing.
"Ah. My addiction to angst is the main place where my gothliness clearly
manifests. I adore tear-jerkers in any form - books, movies, stories,
any way I can find them. It's not the only form of entertainment I enjoy,
but it's definitely something I'll seek out."
-banshee, whose Favorite Movie list includes 'Dead Poet's Society,'
'What Dreams May Come,' 'Titanic,' 'Gone With the Wind,' and
'The Last Unicorn'
evitsky
<374FD4C3...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com>...
Why does it distress her? Would they be better for you if they were
reheated?
evitsky (seriously)
The Trinker
Possibly. The SO alleges I have a cast iron stomach. I disagree,
but he *is* far more delicate in that respect than I am. And it
distresses her because she thinks esthetically speaking, warmed
leftovers are better than cold.
The Trinker
Leonard Erickson
> -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
I don't *understand* how someone can dislike Heinlein. But I can accept
it. It's the folks who "project" attitudes onto him and his characters
that get me upset.
--
Leonard Erickson (aka Nemo) kal...@krypton.rain.com
"I would not take a bet against the existence of time machines.
My opponent might have seen the future and know the answer."
-- Stephen Hawking
Bill Longley
>Liana Olear <lol...@cs.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>>Susan Cohen <ze...@smart.nett> wrote:
>
>: : I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
>: : No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
>
>: I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
>
>"Never saw the movie; I found out what they did to the ending and had no
>desire to ever subject myself to it. I liked the book enough not to want
>to see it changed like that.
I have a video of that: never watched it. It was sent to me by someone
that said "it would explain how she felt about me". As they way she felt
about me in RL appeared to be the way Glenn Close felt about Michael
Douglas in Fatal Attraction, I didn't want to know.
So can someone save me 129 mins (according to the video case) and
summarise it please? Was moving house and changing my telephone number
enough? :-S
--
Bill Longley
Bill Longley
[about the movie "Titanic" ]
>"Did you mean the ship's employee, who during the boarding of the lifeboats
>accidentally shot one person, and then killed himself in remorse? I really
>didn't see him as being put forth as a baddie, just another representation
>of the hysteria and the tragedy, and the way good people can be overwhelmed
>by circumstance...."
That's the one _I'm_ thinking of: as I never saw the movie, I'm just
going by the UK news reports of how much it upset his relatives. I'm
told that the person was definitely identifiable and his actions in the
movie are definitely at odds with what people know about the reality.
Let's face it, as soon as you give a character an official position on
board, someone can go and find out who filled that role in RL.
>"Also, of course, there's the fact that it's fiction, and clearly billed as
>such....."
Oh no it isn't! There was never _any_ suggestion that they would tamper
with the real background of the situation: they were just going to add a
love-story between extra passenger characters. If they didn't get the
facts right on those people that really existed, then they have hurt
people. This is still too recent to mess about with the reality.
For instance, if they put my grandfather's position as a WWII despatch-
rider into a movie, and suggested he was too late one day because he
stopped briefly for a beer on his way, I'd be furious. It may be
essential to the plot that somebody doesn't get the information in time:
but if they set it in a situation that really happened and chose to make
"the despatch-rider" to blame, I'd feel that they've insulted my
grandfather.
> -banshee, who loved 'The Prince of Egypt,' even though she's pretty
> sure that Moses and Ramses never race chariots down the nose of the
> Sphinx
I'm pretty sure of that too. :-)
_I_ can cope with misinformation in "The Prince of Egypt" because I'm
not a believer: I can understand that someone that believes the biblical
story of Moses would object though. When it comes to Disney implying,
for instance, that there are racoons in London, I start worrying about
how many children are going to grow up mis-informed: it's not a piece of
misinformation that will necessarily hurt anybody, but it is wrong. When
it gets to misinformation about real people with real _living_
relatives, it has definitely gone too far. It really _does_ hurt people.
So, to all the HollyWeird people out there: if it was real, _KEEP IT
REAL_. Just because your RL characters have died and can't sue, it
doesn't mean you're not hurting someone. There used to be a fine line
between documentary and entertainment: now that line seems to have
blurred into a grey zone of "let's make the reality more entertaining".
(Sorry Banshee: this wasn't directed at you, but you gave me the kick-
off point for the rant. BOYC?)
--
Bill Longley
Daniel Porowski
si...@hotblack.gweep.net says...
<snip>
> "I just can't stand cold cooked tomatos. Cold raw tomatos are fine, and
> hot cooked tomatos, but cold tomato sauce makes me queasy."
>
> -banshee, who has never tried cold pizza with no sauce
>
Try a pizza without tomato sauce. :) Like with say... Pesto. Some of
the best pizza I've had was pesto, garlic, feta, and artichoke hearts.
(Surprisingly, this was from a local delivery place.) And it was _good_
cold.
--
DPorowski<myc...@u.washington.edu>
My opinions are unshared by my employers.
"Sun-worshipping dog launchers! You face--The Tick!"
mcm5
> Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> writes
>
> [about the movie "Titanic" ]
>
> >"Did you mean the ship's employee, who during the boarding of the lifeboats
> >accidentally shot one person, and then killed himself in remorse? I really
> >didn't see him as being put forth as a baddie, just another representation
> >of the hysteria and the tragedy, and the way good people can be overwhelmed
> >by circumstance...."
>
> That's the one _I'm_ thinking of: as I never saw the movie, I'm just
> going by the UK news reports of how much it upset his relatives. I'm
> told that the person was definitely identifiable and his actions in the
> movie are definitely at odds with what people know about the reality.
> Let's face it, as soon as you give a character an official position on
> board, someone can go and find out who filled that role in RL.
AFAIK, he was also named correctly. He is regarded as a hero, and there is
an award nemaed after him is SW Scotland.
Still here til Monday due to transport difficulties, so got to see this.
Thanks, Bill, you put it better than I could. BOYC?
> --
> Bill Longley
Marc Lechowicz
>>Cold raw tomatos are fine, and hot
>>cooked tomatos, but cold tomato
>>sauce makes me queasy."
>> -banshee, who has never
>>tried cold pizza with no sauce
>Try a pizza without tomato sauce. :) Like
>with say... Pesto. Some of the best pizza
>I've had was pesto, garlic, feta, and
>artichoke hearts. (Surprisingly, this was
>from a local delivery place.) And it was
>_good_ cold.
Hey, guys. Do you think we could change the header.
Yankee-who has GOT to stop including his name in subject lines!
--
Prov. 27:14 "If a man loudly blesses his neighbor early in the morning,
it will be taken as a curse."...and it is ALWAYS morning somewhere!
Due to a lousy server, please p&e replies.
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> "I just can't stand cold cooked tomatos. Cold raw tomatos are fine, and
:> hot cooked tomatos, but cold tomato sauce makes me queasy."
:>
:> -banshee, who has never tried cold pizza with no sauce
: Try a pizza without tomato sauce. :) Like with say... Pesto. Some of
: the best pizza I've had was pesto, garlic, feta, and artichoke hearts.
: (Surprisingly, this was from a local delivery place.) And it was _good_
: cold.
"Hmmm.... I don't know about cold, but that definitely sounds good enough to
try at least once..." :)
-banshee, with eclectic tastes
Chris Wesling
> : : "Actually, what I liked about 'Titanic' wasn't so much the romance (though
> : : I liked that, too) but the detail they put into developing even the
> : : background characters, and how they managed to portray the event as a
> : : tragedy, not just a big special effect or a bang-wow disaster. Then
> : : again, I'm a confirmed angst-bunny.
> :
> : I dislike tear-jerkers. Strongly. And if I want angst, I can watch the
> : news - I prefer movies to be lighter and less depressing.
>
> "Ah. My addiction to angst is the main place where my gothliness clearly
> manifests. I adore tear-jerkers in any form - books, movies, stories,
> any way I can find them. It's not the only form of entertainment I enjoy,
> but it's definitely something I'll seek out."
Hmm... So you enjoy shedding tears. Presumably because you enjoy
catharsis, the feeling of purging your emotions and cleansing your
soul. A clear case of "cleanliness is next to gothliness"...
<g,d&r>
Chris W.
--
"Machines take me by surprise with great frequency." -- Alan Turing
(Email munged; spell my name as Christopher to email me.)
Damon Howell
Chris Wesling wrote in message <3751B00A...@smed.com>...
>Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
>> "Ah. My addiction to angst is the main place where my gothliness clearly
>> manifests. I adore tear-jerkers in any form - books, movies, stories,
>> any way I can find them. It's not the only form of entertainment I
enjoy,
>> but it's definitely something I'll seek out."
>
>Hmm... So you enjoy shedding tears. Presumably because you enjoy
>catharsis, the feeling of purging your emotions and cleansing your
>soul. A clear case of "cleanliness is next to gothliness"...
><g,d&r>
>
88888888888888888888888888888888888
--==Hexar==--
"To see the light at the end of the tunnel, you must first open your eyes."
Anon.
<damon...@hotmail.com>
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> : I dislike tear-jerkers. Strongly. And if I want angst, I can watch the
:> : news - I prefer movies to be lighter and less depressing.
:>
:> "Ah. My addiction to angst is the main place where my gothliness clearly
:> manifests. I adore tear-jerkers in any form - books, movies, stories,
:> any way I can find them. It's not the only form of entertainment I enjoy,
:> but it's definitely something I'll seek out."
: Hmm... So you enjoy shedding tears. Presumably because you enjoy
: catharsis, the feeling of purging your emotions and cleansing your
: soul. A clear case of "cleanliness is next to gothliness"...
: <g,d&r>
Banshee, out entirely too late last ngiht and still with sofa marks and
smudged eyeliner on her cheeks, is far too tired to give such a statement
the response it deserves. She blows a halfhearted raspberrry at Chris before
collapsing in sleepy giggles.....
-banshee, thoroughly taking advantage of her only day off this
semester
Beth Jackson
Liana Olear:
<snip>
>>Never saw Wuthering Heights.
<much snippage>
Canary,
in playfully-mock
friendly sympathy:
Why, Liana!
You never saw the old version
of "Wuthering Heights",
with Laurence Olivier as Heathcliff...??
Oooh, you poor thing!
You haven't "lived" (IMO:)
until you've at least seen the scene
where he joyfully, longingly, looks at Cathy
(upon her return from a long visit she's made).
Oh, gawhd,
those *eyes*...!!
Wow...!
[Canary almost swoons, herself, upon the recollection of it:)]
--Canary
(well, Now You Know why I bought the video of that movie ;)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the Canvas Canary
(Visit my new website:)
http://www.angelfire.com/nc/canvascanary/
Beth Jackson
(in response to Liana)
<snip>
>>"Ah.
>>My addiction to angst
>>is the main place
>>where my gothliness clearly manifests.
>>I adore tear-jerkers in any form
>>- books,
>>movies,
>>stories,
>>any way I can find them.
<snip>
Canary gggles:
Then, Banshee, you'd probably love these short-story fairy-tales by
Oscar Wilde:
"The Young King"
and
"The Happy Prince"
The latter, IMO, is especially a tear-jerker... almost every time I read
it. ;'-)
Liana Olear
: : I dislike tear-jerkers. Strongly. And if I want angst, I can watch the
: : news - I prefer movies to be lighter and less depressing.
: "Ah. My addiction to angst is the main place where my gothliness clearly
: manifests. I adore tear-jerkers in any form - books, movies, stories,
: any way I can find them. It's not the only form of entertainment I enjoy,
: but it's definitely something I'll seek out."
: -banshee, whose Favorite Movie list includes 'Dead Poet's Society,'
: 'What Dreams May Come,' 'Titanic,' 'Gone With the Wind,' and
: 'The Last Unicorn'
I enjoyed 'Dead Poet's Society', but wouldn't go out of my way to see
again. I liked 'What dreams may come' because it was a beautifully-made
movie, and to me it very carefully ballanced on the edge of icky sweetness
without quite falling in (I am surprised I liked it. I saw it because I
like Robin Williams, and was amazed that I enjoyed it). No opinions on
the next two. 'The Last Unicorn'... it took me 3 or 4 times trying to
watch it, because the beginning scenes were too painfully idyllic.
Eventually, I ended up holding my breath so I don't drown in cuteness, and
fast-forwarding through the beginning. Otherwise, I found the movie
fairly unmemorable.
Liana,
who hesitates to make a list of "favorites", but if she did, they would
probably include at least one Jackie Chan flick, possibly some Mel Brooks,
and 'Nightmare Before Christmas'. And a number of movies in Russian.
The Trinker
Oooh. Which Jackie Chan flick?
The Trinker
who recommends "Shall We Dance" (Japanese, subtitled in English)
this week.
Liana Olear
: > who hesitates to make a list of "favorites", but if she did, they would
: > probably include at least one Jackie Chan flick, possibly some Mel Brooks,
: > and 'Nightmare Before Christmas'. And a number of movies in Russian.
: Oooh. Which Jackie Chan flick?
I don't know. I like quite a few of them, so I am sure at least one would
make the list. :)
: The Trinker
: who recommends "Shall We Dance" (Japanese, subtitled in English)
: this week.
Is it at least subtitled reasonably well?
Liana,
noting the recommendation in her organizer
The Trinker
Liana Olear wrote:
>
> The Trinker <k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
>
> : > who hesitates to make a list of "favorites", but if she did, they would
> : > probably include at least one Jackie Chan flick, possibly some Mel Brooks,
> : > and 'Nightmare Before Christmas'. And a number of movies in Russian.
>
> : Oooh. Which Jackie Chan flick?
>
> I don't know. I like quite a few of them, so I am sure at least one would
> make the list. :)
Heh. Jackie Chan fest if and when we have the time and location
worked out, Liana?
> : The Trinker
> : who recommends "Shall We Dance" (Japanese, subtitled in English)
> : this week.
>
> Is it at least subtitled reasonably well?
The SO noticed that they translated one term two different
ways in two scenes, (and there was much rejoicing...it means
the SO is starting to *hear* the words...yaaay!), but over all
I think it did a really good job of keeping the tone of the
original, and the English is colloquial and smooth.
If you hate ballroom dancing, you might hate the movie, but
the SO noted that it made him *very* enthusiastic about the
idea of dance lessons.
The Trinker
who's thinking about buying a copy of this one.
Liana Olear
: Heh. Jackie Chan fest if and when we have the time and location
: worked out, Liana?
I'll add it to the list of possibilities. Although I believe that you've
been contemplating subjecting me to a variety of experiences that I
_haven't_ had yet if you have an opportunity.
Now, the tricky part would be finding time and place...
: The SO noticed that they translated one term two different
: ways in two scenes, (and there was much rejoicing...it means
: the SO is starting to *hear* the words...yaaay!), but over all
: I think it did a really good job of keeping the tone of the
: original, and the English is colloquial and smooth.
I take it your SO is learning Japanese? Are you teaching him, or is he
taking lessons, or are you just subjecting him to it a lot?
I'm just wondering because I am looking for the least painful way to make
my SO learn Russian... :)
: If you hate ballroom dancing, you might hate the movie, but
: the SO noted that it made him *very* enthusiastic about the
: idea of dance lessons.
I like ballroom dancing. I guess it might be too much to hope for, but
I'll have to see if the movie will have the same effect on my SO :)
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> : who recommends "Shall We Dance" (Japanese, subtitled in English)
:> : this week.
:>
:> Is it at least subtitled reasonably well?
: The SO noticed that they translated one term two different
: ways in two scenes, (and there was much rejoicing...it means
: the SO is starting to *hear* the words...yaaay!), but over all
: I think it did a really good job of keeping the tone of the
: original, and the English is colloquial and smooth.
: If you hate ballroom dancing, you might hate the movie, but
: the SO noted that it made him *very* enthusiastic about the
: idea of dance lessons.
The small elfin girl blinks, startled. "Jackie Chan did a movie about ballroom
dancing? You mean there might actually be one of his films with staying awake
through? Do tell...."
-banshee, who is not a big fan of gratuitous violence and tends to
curl up for a nap whenever shoot-em-ups/kick-em-ups are the evening's
entertainment
The Trinker
Whoops. Guess that wasn't clear, was it. <g>
"Shall We Dance" is a Japanese movie. No Jackie Chan.
And actually, I rather like Jackie Chan movies because of their
humor. Jackie Chan started his life being trained for Chinese opera,
and it shows. I think there's a significant difference in tone
between his stuff, and say John Woo's films.
The Trinker
trying to decide whether to go see "Anna and the King" when it
comes out.
Rebecca Schoenberg
:> : If you hate ballroom dancing, you might hate the movie, but
:> : the SO noted that it made him *very* enthusiastic about the
:> : idea of dance lessons.
:>
:> The small elfin girl blinks, startled. "Jackie Chan did a movie about
:> ballroom dancing? You mean there might actually be one of his films worth
:> staying awake through? Do tell...."
:>
:> -banshee, who is not a big fan of gratuitous violence and tends to
:> curl up for a nap whenever shoot-em-ups/kick-em-ups are the
:> evening's entertainment
: Whoops. Guess that wasn't clear, was it. <g>
: "Shall We Dance" is a Japanese movie. No Jackie Chan.
"Oh. Okay, then, that makes more sense."
: And actually, I rather like Jackie Chan movies because of their
: humor. Jackie Chan started his life being trained for Chinese opera,
: and it shows. I think there's a significant difference in tone
: between his stuff, and say John Woo's films.
"I agree that he's funny. Hey, I u sually manage to stay awake for at least
20 minutes or so, and I always make sure someone wakes me up for the credits.
I just don't think the humor is good enough to be worth putting up with the
mindless violence. Personal tastes, and all that...."
: The Trinker
: trying to decide whether to go see "Anna and the King" when it
: comes out.
"No question. Definitely on the list of must-sees this summer, along with
'Tarzan,' 'Wild West,' and a repeat viewing of 'Midsummer Night's Dream.'"
-banshee, who needs to start figuring out what else is coming out
this summer
Alun Jones
> "I agree that he's funny. Hey, I u sually manage to stay awake for at least
> 20 minutes or so, and I always make sure someone wakes me up for the credits.
> I just don't think the humor is good enough to be worth putting up with the
> mindless violence. Personal tastes, and all that...."
Hmm... drifts off to sleep during the movie, but asks to be woken up for the
credits... given what Jackie shows in his credits, don't you think this
suggests something unpleasant? :-)
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Liana Olear
: The Trinker <k...@vincent-tanaka.spamtrap.com> wrote:
: : And actually, I rather like Jackie Chan movies because of their
: : humor. Jackie Chan started his life being trained for Chinese opera,
: : and it shows. I think there's a significant difference in tone
: : between his stuff, and say John Woo's films.
: "I agree that he's funny. Hey, I u sually manage to stay awake for at least
: 20 minutes or so, and I always make sure someone wakes me up for the credits.
: I just don't think the humor is good enough to be worth putting up with the
: mindless violence. Personal tastes, and all that...."
I am not a fan of gratuitous violence, but I am definitely a fan of
well-choreographed movement, which Jackie Chan exhibits plenty of. The
fact that the movements portray violence is not a huge deterrent for me,
especially since there is a bonus - he makes it look silly.
: "No question. Definitely on the list of must-sees this summer, along with
: 'Tarzan,' 'Wild West,' and a repeat viewing of 'Midsummer Night's Dream.'"
Interesting. Our "favorites" lists don't even overlap, but your must-see
list is quite identical to mine. Except I haven't had the chance to see
'Midsummer Night's Dream' yet, so for me it'll be a first, not a repeat.
Liana
Rebecca Schoenberg
: In article <92828942...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net>, Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote:
:> "I agree that he's funny. Hey, I u sually manage to stay awake for at least
:> 20 minutes or so, and I always make sure someone wakes me up for the
:> credits. I just don't think the humor is good enough to be worth putting up
:> with the mindless violence. Personal tastes, and all that...."
: Hmm... drifts off to sleep during the movie, but asks to be woken up for the
: credits... given what Jackie shows in his credits, don't you think this
: suggests something unpleasant? :-)
"It's worth sitting through the out-takes for the amusing ones - IMHO, they're
far funnier than the movie itself. Heck, the one where he was doing the
Macarena was worth everything else. Also, you get to see more of his actual
personality, and i's nice to be reminded that there are real people doing those
violent acts, and they get hurt sometimes. If I sit through the credits,
that usually means the people with me do to."
-banshee, who always watches the credits for any movie, on general
principles. If I were the fifth gaffer's second assistant, I'd want
someone to stay and see my name....
Kerry J. Renaissance
> -banshee, who always watches the credits for any movie, on general
> principles. If I were the fifth gaffer's second assistant, I'd want
> someone to stay and see my name....
I just like watching credits after a movie. Lots of interesting names,
usually. Often, some very mysterious titles. Can indicate to me people
in aspects of the business I'm interested in -- having a name, perhaps I
can find more information on them, in books or on the 'Web or something.
(Or perhaps not, but one can try). The credits tend to show the degree of
work and/or budget involved in making a given movie, IMHO. For animated
films, they're the one sure way I have of identifying a given character's
voice. Watching movies with people who leave during the credits or stop
the tape at the credits can be annoying to me -- a small annoyance,
generally, but still annoying.
-- Kerry
coppers
<si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote:
>Alun Jones <al...@texis.com> wrote:
>: In article <92828942...@zarathud.3d.gweep.net>, Rebecca Schoenberg <si...@hotblack.gweep.net> wrote:
>:> "I agree that he's funny. Hey, I u sually manage to stay awake for at least
>:> 20 minutes or so, and I always make sure someone wakes me up for the
>:> credits. I just don't think the humor is good enough to be worth putting up
>:> with the mindless violence. Personal tastes, and all that...."
>
>: Hmm... drifts off to sleep during the movie, but asks to be woken up for the
>: credits... given what Jackie shows in his credits, don't you think this
>: suggests something unpleasant? :-)
>
>"It's worth sitting through the out-takes for the amusing ones - IMHO, they're
>far funnier than the movie itself. Heck, the one where he was doing the
>Macarena was worth everything else. Also, you get to see more of his actual
>personality, and i's nice to be reminded that there are real people doing those
>violent acts, and they get hurt sometimes. If I sit through the credits,
>that usually means the people with me do to."
>
Perhaps. I like Jackie Chan well enough, but I think Sammo Hung
is funnier.
> -banshee, who always watches the credits for any movie, on general
> principles. If I were the fifth gaffer's second assistant, I'd want
> someone to stay and see my name....
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Martin Julian DeMello
> Canary gggles:
> Then, Banshee, you'd probably love these short-story fairy-tales by
> Oscar Wilde:
> "The Young King"
> and
> "The Happy Prince"
> The latter, IMO, is especially a tear-jerker... almost every time I read
> it. ;'-)
'The Nightingale and the Rose' gets my vote. One of the saddest stories I've
read. 'Flowers for Algernon' usually makes me tear up too, depending on the
mood I'm in.
--
Martin DeMello/zem
Beth Jackson
>>>Then,
>>>Banshee,
>>>[if you love tear-jerker stories]
>>>you'd probably love
>>>these short-story fairy-tales
>>>by Oscar Wilde:
>>>
>>>"The Young King"
>>>and
>>>"The Happy Prince"
>>>
>>>The latter,
>>>IMO,
>>>is especially a tear-jerker...
>>>almost every time I read it.
>>>;'-)
Martin DeMello/zem:
>>'The Nightingale and the Rose'
>>gets my vote.
>>One of the saddest stories I've read.
>>'Flowers for Algernon'
>>usually makes me tear up too,
>>depending on the mood I'm in.
Canary:
Oooh, yeah;
..both of those, too...
{:'-)
(Want a hanky, Martin?
--You sweetie, you... :)
--Canary,
who hopes zem realizes
that last was intended as a compliment:)
Martin Julian DeMello
> (Want a hanky, Martin?
> --You sweetie, you... :)
> --Canary,
> who hopes zem realizes
> that last was intended as a compliment:)
'Sweetie's always a compliment in my book :) (As is *gasp* (xthread)
'nice' <g>)
--
Martin DeMello/zem
Leonard Erickson
> "My own particular beef with TITANIC came in the radio room. I'm a
> ham operator with a lousy fist, and I could send 'CQD DE MGY' faster
> than those purported pros.
That's bad.
> Furthermore, a radio operator doesn't ask
> the captain, 'You mean CQD, sir?' The op just starts sending CQD.
While I haven't seen the movie, I'll bet they did that *on purpose* to
remind the *audience* that the "standard" distress call wasn't SOS.
--
Leonard Erickson (aka Nemo) kal...@krypton.rain.com
"I would not take a bet against the existence of time machines.
My opponent might have seen the future and know the answer."
-- Stephen Hawking
KatNagel
>there's
>been an alarming rash of head-shaving going on around here...."
They read that PUN post about lice on leaf?
(Sorry. I'll go to my room now.)
/K@
Gesi Rovario
>
> Susan Cohen <ze...@smart.nett> wrote:
>
> : Rebecca Schoenberg wrote:
>
> : > Lee S. Billings <stard...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> : >
> : > The small elfin girl stomps her foot petulantly. "But I *liked* the movie!
> : > *sigh* I guess I'm in my odd-one-out phase again, liking 'Titanic' and
> : > 'Wuthering Heights'
>
> : Which one? Olivier? Yum!
>
> Never saw Wuthering Heights.
"I did...the Olivier version was *lovely*...but then...well, it was
Olivier, fer ghu's sake!":)
>Never saw Titanic, either (it seemed too
> tragically romantic for my tastes),
"Me either, but Banshee says its really good, so I'll rent it one day.
After we get the tv."
>but I like DiCaprio. I like Keanu
> Reeves, too.
"Me too, on both counts. I know a lot of people didn't like Keanu in
'Much Ado About Nothing' (One of my three fave movies), but I think he
suited the part quite well. And that he was perfect in 'The Matrix'. I
just wish they'd give Leo more movies like 'Gilbert Grape'."
> : > and Hawthorne
>
> : I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
> : No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
>
> I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
"But...but...they *CHANGED* the ending! And a lot of other stuff too.
Important stuff. I mean, if they wanted to make The Scarlet Letter,
they should have made it, and not just used the bits they liked. But
then, that's how I feel about most adaptations, if I've read the
book."
> : > .... I guess I might as well play my
> : > 'I find Sean Connery and Mel Gibson physically bland and unattractive'
>
> I'm with you on Gibson, but not on Connery. I also strongly dislike
> Eastwood.
"Eastwood never did anything for me...Mel's drool worthy, and Sean's
one of the few guys I'd break my 'Never be romantically involved with
anyone older than my mother' rule for. (The other two are Patrick
Stewart and Harrison Ford.)"
> : > card and firmly secure my position in the society of Whackos Whom Noone
> : > Understands....."
>
> : Now, now - don't go off & eat those worms just yet....
>
> Care for some Gummi Worms? I got some Sour ones too. :) (ok, I admit it,
> I am addicted to Gummi-things)
"I'll trade you some Swedish Fish for a few sour Gummi Worms...do you
have any apple flavored?"
> : > -banshee, who also likes 'Gone With the Wind,' can't stand cold
> : > pizza, and (shocked whisper) isn't very fond of Heinlein
>
> : Hey, I don;t like him, either. Okay, as a writer - I never met him.
> : I even watch Gone With the Wind (when the Darling Hubby isn't around)
> : and, for some reeason, I don't like cold pizza anymore....
>
> I like Heinlein but not cold pizza (for that matter, I am not all that
> fond of hot pizza either, with a few notable exceptions). I've seen Gone
> With the Wind, but never had a chance to actually _watch_ it, so no
> comments there.
"I like *SOME* Heinlein, think that some of his other work is good but
not great and don't like some of it at all. IMO, Pizza is good.
Period.*grin* I used to love GWTW...but a few years ago, Rhett picking
up a fighting Scarlett and carrying her up to the bedroom began to
bother me. I was reading the book when I moved and I still haven't got
back to it. I shall though. The movie's beautiful...but I think I like
the book better, so far."
Gesi
--
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I got more than I wanted, but how is still a mystery.
Obsessed with this feeling, I trusted it. So I followed it.
Tripping and stumbling across a land full of miracles.
- Van Halen, Pleasure Dome
Rebecca Schoenberg
:>Never saw Titanic, either (it seemed too
:> tragically romantic for my tastes),
: "Me either, but Banshee says its really good, so I'll rent it one day.
: After we get the tv."
"Oh, it's wonderful... if you do get a tv and rent it, I want to be there!
I promise to be mostly quiet, and I'll even know when to pass the tissues
in advance...
:>but I like DiCaprio. I like Keanu
:> Reeves, too.
: "Me too, on both counts. I know a lot of people didn't like Keanu in
: 'Much Ado About Nothing' (One of my three fave movies), but I think he
: suited the part quite well. And that he was perfect in 'The Matrix'. I
: just wish they'd give Leo more movies like 'Gilbert Grape'."
"I've never seen 'Gilbert Grape,' but everyone keeps talking about it....
sounds like a worthy project for this summer, if I can talk my sweetie into
sitting through it with me.
:> : I rather liked the Scarlet Letter.....
:> : No, not the gawdawful "movie" they recently made....
:>
:> I liked that gawdawful movie. Much more than I liked the book.
: "But...but...they *CHANGED* the ending! And a lot of other stuff too.
: Important stuff. I mean, if they wanted to make The Scarlet Letter,
: they should have made it, and not just used the bits they liked. But
: then, that's how I feel about most adaptations, if I've read the
: book."
"Agreed. While the movie of 'The Scarlet Letter' may have been perfectly
good in it's own way, it wasn't the same story, and so I really couldn't
appreciate it properly.
: "I like *SOME* Heinlein, think that some of his other work is good but
: not great and don't like some of it at all. IMO, Pizza is good.
: Period.*grin* I used to love GWTW...but a few years ago, Rhett picking
: up a fighting Scarlett and carrying her up to the bedroom began to
: bother me. I was reading the book when I moved and I still haven't got
: back to it. I shall though. The movie's beautiful...but I think I like
: the book better, so far."
"While the movie is excellent, I will definitely agree that the book is
about a hundred times better. There's space for a lot more character
development, a lot more plot, and an insane level of detail about the world
and the changes going on at the time. Part of the problem is just that there's
so much happening in the book, that it would have been impossible to get it
all onto film in less than 8 hours or so.
"As for the carrying-upstairs scene, it fits better in the book. There's a
lot of detail and background that's left out in the movie...."
-banshee, who wouldn't mind being carried upstairs by Rhett Butler
in just about any circumstances