Habemus papem!

[John W. Vinson]

Well, interesting. The new Pope is from Argentina, the first person ever born
outside Europe to take the office; and has chosen the name Francis, after that
radical saint Francis of Assisi, who very nearly was condemned as a heretic
for his out-there views.

It's going to be an interesting few years! My prayers are with him.
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John the Wysard JVinson *at* Wysard Of Info *dot* com

[John Dean]

"John W. Vinson" <jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com> wrote in message
news:9512k85si401ilnnu...@4ax.com...

> Well, interesting. The new Pope is from Argentina, the first person ever
> born
> outside Europe to take the office;

The first Pope *since Gregory III* (8th century) to be born outside Europe.
There were maybe another half dozen or so non-Europeans before Gregory.

> and has chosen the name Francis, after that
> radical saint Francis of Assisi,

or after that good ol' boy Francis Xavier. After all, why wouldn't the first
Jesuit Pope name himself after the founder of the Jesuits?

--
John Dean

[John W. Vinson]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:49:47 -0000, "John Dean" <john...@FRAGmsn.com> wrote:

>
>"John W. Vinson" <jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com> wrote in message
>news:9512k85si401ilnnu...@4ax.com...
>> Well, interesting. The new Pope is from Argentina, the first person ever
>> born
>> outside Europe to take the office;
>
>The first Pope *since Gregory III* (8th century) to be born outside Europe.
>There were maybe another half dozen or so non-Europeans before Gregory.

Didn't realize that. Were they from North Africa or the Middle East, I
presume?

>> and has chosen the name Francis, after that
>> radical saint Francis of Assisi,
>
>or after that good ol' boy Francis Xavier. After all, why wouldn't the first
>Jesuit Pope name himself after the founder of the Jesuits?

An interview with an American Jesuit on All Things Considered suggested it
might be either, OR BOTH - Francis Xavier in honor of discipline and mission
outreach, and Francis of Assisi for humility and love of the people. We'll
have to see.

[Jessica]

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:10:14 -0600, John W. Vinson wrote:

> Francis of Assisi for humility and love of the people...

Well, he's already fallen short of that goal given his stated stance and
past actions on sexuality, abortion and women's rights.
<http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/13/vatican-pope-francis-
profile.html>

But that's hardly surprising, given the pool of candidates. Meet the new
boss, same as the old boss.

[invalidd]

Was he also in the Hitler Youth?

(Considering the number of nazi war criminals given shelter in So(u)th
America, that's not quite as ludicro(u)s as it so(u)nds.)

[John Dean]

"John W. Vinson" <jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 23:49:47 -0000, "John Dean" <john...@FRAGmsn.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"John W. Vinson" <jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com> wrote in message
>>news:9512k85si401ilnnu...@4ax.com...
>>> Well, interesting. The new Pope is from Argentina, the first person ever
>>> born
>>> outside Europe to take the office;
>>
>>The first Pope *since Gregory III* (8th century) to be born outside
>>Europe.
>>There were maybe another half dozen or so non-Europeans before Gregory.
>
> Didn't realize that. Were they from North Africa or the Middle East, I
> presume?
>

Mainly Syria


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John Dean

[Jessica]

On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:52:47 +0000, invalidd wrote:

> Jessica wrote:
>
>>
>> But that's hardly surprising, given the pool of candidates. Meet the
>> new boss, same as the old boss.
>
> Was he also in the Hitler Youth?
>
> (Considering the number of nazi war criminals given shelter in So(u)th
> America, that's not quite as ludicro(u)s as it so(u)nds.)

Not exactly, but apparently he was a bit closer to Galtieri than he would
like people to remember.

[John Dean]

"Jessica" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/17/world/fg-cardinal17


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John Dean

[Chris Zakes]

Unlikely. He was born on Dec. 17, 1936, in Buenos Aires to Italian
parents. So he would have been too young, of non-Aryan parentage and
living on the wrong continent--let alone country--to be part of the
Hitler Youth.

-Chris Zakes
Texas
--

You can find complaints as far back as Socrates about how things aren't like they
were in "the good old days" and how the world is going to Hell in a handbasket.
Either Hell is a lot farther away than we thought, or that handbasket is moving
*really* slowly.

[Prof. Godel Fishbreath]

I am impressed by his name. Francis of Assisi was one of the most
radical and reforming from within saints around. A hard left turn is
possible. Though just getting back to the center would be a hard left
turn.