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invalidd
May 18, 2013, 6:43:37 AM5/18/13
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325860/New-subject-girls-aged
-11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
(Short form below)
http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
Stephen Green of Christian Voice said that 'the school is attempting to
solve a problem that doesn't exist.' Obviously he has no problems
finding bras which are comfortable for him to wear all day. Tw*t!
Chris McGovern (who I assume is a man therefore eminently qualified to
pass judgment) said that 'the school seems to be suggesting it needs to
step in because parents can no longer do their jobs.' Huh? Over 50% of
women currently wear ill-fitting bras - what makes him think parents
have EVER been experts in working out breast sizes and fitting bras. Tw*t!
(Unable to find a link, but a snippet elsewhere reported that a company
is producing man-bras to offer support to men with moobs (like Simon
Cowell and Tony Blair?))
In the interests of equality, I'd also like to see schools give advice
to boys on what undies are best for their meat'n'two veg. Wearing
budgie-smugglers for too long has an adverse effect on fertility, for
example. Most boys/men allegedly have their undies chosen by their mums
or girlfriends/wives, who can't have much idea how the various
meat'n'two veg/underwear combinations work in practice.
-11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
(Short form below)
http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
Stephen Green of Christian Voice said that 'the school is attempting to
solve a problem that doesn't exist.' Obviously he has no problems
finding bras which are comfortable for him to wear all day. Tw*t!
Chris McGovern (who I assume is a man therefore eminently qualified to
pass judgment) said that 'the school seems to be suggesting it needs to
step in because parents can no longer do their jobs.' Huh? Over 50% of
women currently wear ill-fitting bras - what makes him think parents
have EVER been experts in working out breast sizes and fitting bras. Tw*t!
(Unable to find a link, but a snippet elsewhere reported that a company
is producing man-bras to offer support to men with moobs (like Simon
Cowell and Tony Blair?))
In the interests of equality, I'd also like to see schools give advice
to boys on what undies are best for their meat'n'two veg. Wearing
budgie-smugglers for too long has an adverse effect on fertility, for
example. Most boys/men allegedly have their undies chosen by their mums
or girlfriends/wives, who can't have much idea how the various
meat'n'two veg/underwear combinations work in practice.
Tesseract
May 18, 2013, 8:33:30 AM5/18/13
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> Derby High School’s plans come a week after the Daily Mail reported
> how a survey of 18 primary schools in Kent found 24 children who did
> not know how to use the toilet and were still in nappies.
> In the past, schools have also complained about having to teach
> reception pupils how to use a knife and fork.
>
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Tesseract
invalidd
May 18, 2013, 10:06:02 AM5/18/13
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Tesseract wrote:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
fact it's considerably extended.
I've seen other reports of kids turning up to school in nappies and not
being able to use cutlery and the percentages are supposedly far higher
in inner-city schools with high ethnic populations.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
>>
>
> The same article also has this:
>
>> Derby High School�s plans come a week after the Daily Mail reported
>
> The same article also has this:
>
>> how a survey of 18 primary schools in Kent found 24 children who did
>> not know how to use the toilet and were still in nappies.
>
>
>> In the past, schools have also complained about having to teach
>> reception pupils how to use a knife and fork.
>>
>
I wrongly assumed the article would be the same as my hard copy - in
>> not know how to use the toilet and were still in nappies.
>
>
>> In the past, schools have also complained about having to teach
>> reception pupils how to use a knife and fork.
>>
>
fact it's considerably extended.
I've seen other reports of kids turning up to school in nappies and not
being able to use cutlery and the percentages are supposedly far higher
in inner-city schools with high ethnic populations.
Frank McCoy
May 18, 2013, 11:39:13 AM5/18/13
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invalidd <inva...@invalidd.invalidd> wrote:
>Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
And some, like my wife, just cannot GET properly-fitting bras.
>Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
They just don't MAKE them!!!
The closest she can get is a 44B; and that's very difficult to find.
The 'B' cup in a 42B bra is about the right cup-size.
However, she's about 50" around in the chest!
(Not counting the breasts, mind.)
Bras cups go up as the chest-size does; so the closest one that
doesn't cut her in two is a 48C ... which in actual CUP size is about
equivalent to a 42DD. Her breasts fit in that about like a chihuahua
in a doghouse made for a Saint-Bernard.
People tell me (her) to go to a specialist place and be fitted.
She did.
They squeezed her into a 44B, because on one make the cup size was
small enough to fit her. Then they *stretched* the band around her
back; and said, "That's perfect!"
Yeah, right!
When she got home, she couldn't PULL the band in back close enough to
hook! So, she got 4" extensions, which were STILL a bit tight, but
that she could wear.
However, while *wearable*, a 44B with maximum 4" extensions is:
A. STILL a bit tight around.
B. A TINY bit big in the cup-size.
C. A bit narrow in front.
D. Because of the extensions, WAY wide in back.
E. Instead of running parallel front-to-back,
The straps are a trapezoid.
Even looking online, only a very few companies even offer a 50A
bra-size; and looking at the pictures, the cups would STILL be way too
big ... Like I said, the cup-equivalent of a 42DD or bigger.
Oh yeah ... and they ask three times the price.
It ain't that my wife's breasts are all that small.
It's that her chest is BIG.
When she was young, I wondered why her bikini-tops all seemed a bit
loose around the boobs; because her breasts were just nice-sized.
Now I know.
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Barry Gold
May 19, 2013, 10:31:02 AM5/19/13
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> invalidd<inva...@invalidd.invalidd> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>> manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>> of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>> manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>> of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
On 5/18/2013 8:39 AM, Frank McCoy wrote:
> And some, like my wife, just cannot GET properly-fitting bras.
> They just don't MAKE them!!!
> The closest she can get is a 44B; and that's very difficult to find.
> The 'B' cup in a 42B bra is about the right cup-size.
> However, she's about 50" around in the chest!
> (Not counting the breasts, mind.)
Ever hear of bra extenders? They can add 3" or more, so her 42B would
> And some, like my wife, just cannot GET properly-fitting bras.
> They just don't MAKE them!!!
> The closest she can get is a 44B; and that's very difficult to find.
> The 'B' cup in a 42B bra is about the right cup-size.
> However, she's about 50" around in the chest!
> (Not counting the breasts, mind.)
become a 45B, a little closer to her real need. I'm not sure if these
can be cascaded (use two to get a 6" extension). If not, somebody who
can sew should be able to cut one, sew in some extra cloth, and have it
fit properly.
Note: I said "someone who can sew". The somebody doesn't have to be your
wife, or female.
invalidd
May 19, 2013, 11:38:50 AM5/19/13
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sew ought to be able to knock up a comfortable, correctly sized bra for
her without too many problems.
Bra technology isn't exactly rocket science.
Frank McCoy
May 19, 2013, 11:46:19 AM5/19/13
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However, I mentioned bra-extenders in the previous post.
I also explained why they're a poor solution at best.
Not as bad as NO bra; but not all that good either.
The fit of cups, side-to-side is based on the overall girth.
That means when using a 42B (her correct cup-size) that the cups are
WAY too close together in front; while the straps are almost equally
ridiculously far apart in back.
Thus she's squeezed unnaturally in front; while the bra-straps want to
fall off her shoulders with that "solution".
Besides, the cups are the wrong SHAPE for best-fit on a woman with her
body. They really need to be slightly wider and flatter ... Well, OK
... Sightly wider apart anyway. Only about an inch or so; but still
....
I *suppose* I could cut apart TWO bras; add a small amount of material
in between cups in front, add more stretch in back by doubling-up, and
then move the strap-attachments about two inches further apart in
front and about the same amount closer together in back.
I'd be re-engineering the whole brassier to something close to what it
SHOULD be right out of the store. ;-{
Sometime look at what they call 50A; and compare the cup-size with a
42B.
http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=CoV5sneUZ9h5xhQ&pid=Commerce
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=CYOFHjWFf%2b0SNEA&pid=Commerce
Note that the 50A cup-size is about half-again as big as the 42B.
Not that the wife is SMALL in the cup-size.
I understand that 42B is pretty close to average.
It's her CHEST size that's big.
But thanks for the suggestion.
It's what she does now; as being the closest thing she can do to
getting a proper fit.
Frank McCoy
May 19, 2013, 11:55:52 AM5/19/13
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A bra is a FAR more complicated project than you seem to think.
I've designed and sewn several DRESSES for the wife that look just
beautiful on her. One was worn by her bridesmaid at our wedding.
Looking at making a properly-fitting bra, on the other hand ....
Yes, it COULD be done; but ....
Form, fit, function, and comfort.
Not nearly as easy as it sounds.
There's a good REASON bra-companies can charge three times as much for
a decent bra as they do for a nice-looking dress with 30 times the
material.
(BTW: NOW she wears pants almost all the time ... Like most women do
nowadays.)
Jette Goldie
May 19, 2013, 1:57:46 PM5/19/13
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bras ... annoying/uncomfortable/unnecessary (especially if she's only
about a B cup). Has she tried the 'crop top/comfort' style bras?
http://www.jml.sg/index.php/watch-jml-drtv/belvia-bra-padded-4pcs-set.html
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Tim Merrigan
May 19, 2013, 4:54:45 PM5/19/13
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Kay Shapero
May 19, 2013, 7:36:20 PM5/19/13
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In article <kn7m0n$smp$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, inva...@invalidd.invalidd
says...
properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
more obvious with things that need to fit. My bete noir is pants where
the waistband is 1-2 inches further up than my waist, thus I either get
to keep pulling 'em up a bit all day or walk around with apparently
droopy drawers. About the only ones I find already fitting are exercise
pants and leggings. Otherwise, I get to reset the waistband which is
more difficult than it sounds, especially if there are pockets involved.
--
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Address munged, try my first name at kayshapero dot net.
says...
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325860/New-subject-girls-aged
> -11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
> ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>
> (Short form below)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
>
> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
Heck, most people of any given sex wear CLOTHES that don't quite fit
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325860/New-subject-girls-aged
> -11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
> ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>
> (Short form below)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
>
> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
more obvious with things that need to fit. My bete noir is pants where
the waistband is 1-2 inches further up than my waist, thus I either get
to keep pulling 'em up a bit all day or walk around with apparently
droopy drawers. About the only ones I find already fitting are exercise
pants and leggings. Otherwise, I get to reset the waistband which is
more difficult than it sounds, especially if there are pockets involved.
--
Kay Shapero
Address munged, try my first name at kayshapero dot net.
Frank McCoy
May 19, 2013, 9:35:45 PM5/19/13
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She's tried the "Genie Bra" and the other one, "As seen on TV".
She gave up and gave both sets to Goodwill after trying each one
twice.
Decided to suffer along with a 44B with a 3" extender.
A little big in the cup-size; a lot small in the girth; but still
better than doing without a bra.
She CAN wear them without too much discomfort.
She feels like the poor guy with the huge feet who need $2000 custom
shoes or else just wear sandals.
And yes, she's probably tried all sorts of bras, from "sports" to
"Just my size". When you get desperate, you tend to try anything.
Frank McCoy
May 19, 2013, 9:46:03 PM5/19/13
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Kay Shapero <k...@invalid.net> wrote:
>In article <kn7m0n$smp$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, inva...@invalidd.invalidd
>says...
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325860/New-subject-girls-aged
>> -11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
>> ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>>
>> (Short form below)
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
>>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>
>Heck, most people of any given sex wear CLOTHES that don't quite fit
>properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
>more obvious with things that need to fit.
Heh.
>In article <kn7m0n$smp$3...@speranza.aioe.org>, inva...@invalidd.invalidd
>says...
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325860/New-subject-girls-aged
>> -11--choosing-bra-School-plans-introduce-lessons-make-sure-fit-correct
>> ly.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
>>
>> (Short form below)
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c6cg8x9
>>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>
>Heck, most people of any given sex wear CLOTHES that don't quite fit
>properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
>more obvious with things that need to fit.
I'm not that far from "standard" size.
Still, my inseam-length is 33".
Pants however, only seem to come in 32" long and 34" long.
SO ... Either I walk on the bottoms or have the seam up above my
ankles.
That, or buy them long and either have them tailored or cut them short
myself.
Well ... In EXPENSIVE stores I can usually buy DRESS pants in my size
for about $50 to $100 a pair, or they'll custom-fit them in the
atrocious price. Well worth it, I suppose, if you're making
$100,000.00 a year or more.
About half the people I know have similar size-problems; in that
"regular" pants only come in sizes of every TWO inches, whether in
waist-size or inseam-length. The waist-size, you either suck in your
gut, or buy them big and tighten the belt. Doesn't work for the
inseam-length.
Note: "HALF the people". The other half are usually lucky enough to
fit fairly comfortably in one of the "standard" sizes of 30", 32",
34", 36", etc..
It's NICE to buy clothes "off the rack", and have them FIT.
>My bete noir is pants where
>the waistband is 1-2 inches further up than my waist, thus I either get
>to keep pulling 'em up a bit all day or walk around with apparently
>droopy drawers. About the only ones I find already fitting are exercise
>pants and leggings. Otherwise, I get to reset the waistband which is
>more difficult than it sounds, especially if there are pockets involved.
Cindy Wells
May 19, 2013, 11:36:12 PM5/19/13
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On 5/19/2013 8:46 PM, Frank McCoy wrote:
(waist/inseam) choices for cheaper prices, IME. They also will hem dress
pants to almost any size (varying by the 1/4") free. Of course the
selection gets limited at the best prices.
However, if you find pants that fit at the waist, hemming long inseams
is fairly quick and easy. At least men's wear is easier for finding the
best waist size. (That's why I hit the on-line vendors. Their size
charts are listed (and hopefully accurate, which is usually noted in the
reviews). It beats trying on a size 6 and finding out that in that
brand, a size 10 or a size 2 is appropriate.)
Jeans are the exception, even at Lands' End. They are only offered
pre-hemmed in specific inseam lengths. I've hemmed several pairs of
jeans that came with 29" inseams. At the price difference for the pairs
versus the ~26" inseam that I needed (or making them from scratch), the
time at the sewing machine was well worthwhile for farm chore clothing.
Cindy Wells
(I grew up with home sewn garments. When clothes shopping, I consider
the cost of the needed yardage of that fabric. If I can't buy the fabric
for that price and it fits the waist/hips, adjusting a long hem, if
needed, is worthwhile. Redoing the waist takes so much extra time in the
alterations, it usually isn't worth difference in cost.)
> Kay Shapero <k...@invalid.net> wrote:
>> Heck, most people of any given sex wear CLOTHES that don't quite fit
>> properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
>> more obvious with things that need to fit.
>
> Heh.
> I'm not that far from "standard" size.
> Still, my inseam-length is 33".
> Pants however, only seem to come in 32" long and 34" long.
> SO ... Either I walk on the bottoms or have the seam up above my
> ankles.
> That, or buy them long and either have them tailored or cut them short
> myself.
>
>
Land's End online sales have been a good place to look for extra size
>> Heck, most people of any given sex wear CLOTHES that don't quite fit
>> properly because humans do not come in standardized sizes. It's just
>> more obvious with things that need to fit.
>
> Heh.
> I'm not that far from "standard" size.
> Still, my inseam-length is 33".
> Pants however, only seem to come in 32" long and 34" long.
> SO ... Either I walk on the bottoms or have the seam up above my
> ankles.
> That, or buy them long and either have them tailored or cut them short
> myself.
>
>
(waist/inseam) choices for cheaper prices, IME. They also will hem dress
pants to almost any size (varying by the 1/4") free. Of course the
selection gets limited at the best prices.
However, if you find pants that fit at the waist, hemming long inseams
is fairly quick and easy. At least men's wear is easier for finding the
best waist size. (That's why I hit the on-line vendors. Their size
charts are listed (and hopefully accurate, which is usually noted in the
reviews). It beats trying on a size 6 and finding out that in that
brand, a size 10 or a size 2 is appropriate.)
Jeans are the exception, even at Lands' End. They are only offered
pre-hemmed in specific inseam lengths. I've hemmed several pairs of
jeans that came with 29" inseams. At the price difference for the pairs
versus the ~26" inseam that I needed (or making them from scratch), the
time at the sewing machine was well worthwhile for farm chore clothing.
Cindy Wells
(I grew up with home sewn garments. When clothes shopping, I consider
the cost of the needed yardage of that fabric. If I can't buy the fabric
for that price and it fits the waist/hips, adjusting a long hem, if
needed, is worthwhile. Redoing the waist takes so much extra time in the
alterations, it usually isn't worth difference in cost.)
DE Wolf
May 20, 2013, 11:26:05 AM5/20/13
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seldom wear a bra as I am a charter member of the IBTC, but my roomie is
a 46 G (if she can find them). As a 46 Nearly C (yes that IS an actual
bra size, or was at one point) I had almost as much trouble finding a
properly fitting bra as she does. It's less of an issue now, as I said
I rarely even WEAR a bra anymore, and I have lost enough weight that I
am now a 44 Nearly C, and 44C are easier to find and more comfortable to
wear.
Bard Wolf
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Tesseract
May 20, 2013, 12:27:04 PM5/20/13
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DE Wolf
May 20, 2013, 3:22:21 PM5/20/13
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I was in my late 20's, early 30's before I even got to the Nearly B
level. I was in my LATE 30's when I finally reached Nearly C stage. *sigh*
JimP.
May 20, 2013, 3:57:02 PM5/20/13
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On Sun, 19 May 2013 13:54:45 -0700, Tim Merrigan <tp...@ca.rr.com>
wrote:
She actually only wore it one time. Howard never caught on.
JimP.
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JimP.
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Jette Goldie
May 20, 2013, 4:11:08 PM5/20/13
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second simplist as turning up the hem of a skirt is the simplist. It's a
bit more complicated for jeans, but only because of the thickness of the
fabric, so you need a heavy duty sewing machine. If you can't do it
yourself in the UK you'll find lots of little shops doing 'alterations'
- shortening trousers, jacket sleeves, amending waists, darts, etc -
often associated with dry cleaners. These alteration specialists are
inexpensive.
Jette Goldie
May 20, 2013, 4:14:59 PM5/20/13
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Tim Merrigan
May 20, 2013, 4:50:13 PM5/20/13
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Tim Merrigan
May 20, 2013, 4:55:43 PM5/20/13
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hem of a skirt, as the trouser hems don't have to be sown or pinned. I
can't speak for lighter fabric trousers.
David Simpson
May 20, 2013, 4:57:21 PM5/20/13
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breasts desirable. To me any more than a mouthful is a waste.
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Cindy Wells
May 20, 2013, 5:45:40 PM5/20/13
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On 5/20/2013 3:55 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:
> IMHO turning up the hems of jeans is a lot easier than turning up the
> hem of a skirt, as the trouser hems don't have to be sown or pinned. I
> can't speak for lighter fabric trousers.
>
Depends on whether you want the extra bulk of fabric or the risk of the
> IMHO turning up the hems of jeans is a lot easier than turning up the
> hem of a skirt, as the trouser hems don't have to be sown or pinned. I
> can't speak for lighter fabric trousers.
>
cuffs drooping later. I sewed my jean hems when I shortened the inseam.
I wanted to avoid excess fabric that could get tangled in a PTO shaft on
the farm. Usually that is a deadly error*. (I try to be far away from
the PTO when the equipment is running; it's not always possible.) I'll
admit most people who wear jeans these days don't deal with that issue.
Cindy Wells
(*the only exception I know of is a neighbor who wore very old overalls
and kicked a non-working machine (with the PTO running). He ended up
walking home in his shorts when the material shredded off of him and
into the running mechanism.)
Tim Merrigan
May 20, 2013, 8:17:56 PM5/20/13
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Cindy Wells
May 20, 2013, 9:09:27 PM5/20/13
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tractor when I was in middle school. (It was great for mowing our front
yard and removing New England snowfalls from the driveway at the time.
If you ignored the pine trees, we could have a regulation U.S. football
field in that front yard.) Slow ones run at 540 RPM (the default on our
tractors).
Since my family treats the working kitchen as a chemistry lab (for
safety protocols), PTO shaft safety was drilled into my head quickly
before I could drive that tractor. It's as unsafe as a lathe or drill
press in the shop if you aren't careful about entanglement. (The easiest
safety protocols are appropriate for both. Don't get close when it's
spinning.)
Cindy Wells
Frank McCoy
May 20, 2013, 11:31:30 PM5/20/13
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rotating machinery.
SOME rotating machinery it's NECESSARY to work closely with.
Lathes, drills, mills ....
Others should always be covered with appropriate shields and covers.
Lawn-mowers, PTOs, etc..
Well, when RUNNING.
Sometimes, especially with farm-machinery, it's all too easy for the
user to not bother replacing shields. "It's a BOTHER!"
Tesseract
May 21, 2013, 1:08:22 AM5/21/13
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DE Wolf
May 21, 2013, 4:14:22 AM5/21/13
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B cup but don't have near enough for a C cup. For the very longest time
I was only "Nearly" a B cup, which is why I made the crack about being a
*Charter* member of the IBTC.
Tesseract
May 21, 2013, 9:33:33 AM5/21/13
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Speaking for most heterosexual males, keep up the braless choice.
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Cindy Wells
May 21, 2013, 10:44:06 AM5/21/13
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On 5/20/2013 10:31 PM, Frank McCoy wrote:
>>
> Don't wear loose clothing, ties, long-hair, etc., when working with
> rotating machinery.
Yup. Same rules should apply near flames (gas stove).
>>
> Don't wear loose clothing, ties, long-hair, etc., when working with
> rotating machinery.
> SOME rotating machinery it's NECESSARY to work closely with.
> Lathes, drills, mills ....
> Others should always be covered with appropriate shields and covers.
> Lawn-mowers, PTOs, etc..
> Well, when RUNNING.
> Sometimes, especially with farm-machinery, it's all too easy for the
> user to not bother replacing shields. "It's a BOTHER!"
>
> --
to take the time before they use the machine. Then when they aren't
using the equipment, preventative maintenance/safety maintenance doesn't
get on the to-do list.
Cindy Wells
(Most of my farming neighbors have off-the-farm jobs to make ends meet.
Thus they only repair the "it won't work" problems in the field or just
before starting harvesting or planting.)
Barry Gold
May 21, 2013, 1:42:31 PM5/21/13
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> On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:22:21 -0700, DE Wolf
>> I was in my late 20's, early 30's before I even got to the Nearly B
>> level. I was in my LATE 30's when I finally reached Nearly C stage. *sigh*
>> level. I was in my LATE 30's when I finally reached Nearly C stage. *sigh*
On 5/20/2013 1:57 PM, David Simpson wrote:
> A wonderful size. I have no idea why many men seem to find huge
> breasts desirable. To me any more than a mouthful is a waste.
I like a comfortable handful. But, after 50+ years of observation, I
> A wonderful size. I have no idea why many men seem to find huge
> breasts desirable. To me any more than a mouthful is a waste.
conclude that:
1. Naked, a B-cup is plenty -- and small breasts don't droop.
2. Larger breasts look better with clothes on -- with the nipple
covered, you need a nice "shelf" to draw the eye.
My proposed "solution": small breasts and a padded bra. (Of course,
women mostly don't get to choose their breast size, even though there
_are_ surgeries available to enlarge or reduce. (One woman I know had
breast reduction surgery because the big ones developed a painful droop.)
Frank McCoy
May 22, 2013, 1:13:13 AM5/22/13
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Cindy Wells <lcwel...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 5/20/2013 10:31 PM, Frank McCoy wrote:
>
>>>
>> Don't wear loose clothing, ties, long-hair, etc., when working with
>> rotating machinery.
>
>Yup. Same rules should apply near flames (gas stove).
>
>> SOME rotating machinery it's NECESSARY to work closely with.
>> Lathes, drills, mills ....
>> Others should always be covered with appropriate shields and covers.
>> Lawn-mowers, PTOs, etc..
>> Well, when RUNNING.
>> Sometimes, especially with farm-machinery, it's all too easy for the
>> user to not bother replacing shields. "It's a BOTHER!"
>
>On 5/20/2013 10:31 PM, Frank McCoy wrote:
>
>>>
>> Don't wear loose clothing, ties, long-hair, etc., when working with
>> rotating machinery.
>
>Yup. Same rules should apply near flames (gas stove).
>
>> SOME rotating machinery it's NECESSARY to work closely with.
>> Lathes, drills, mills ....
>> Others should always be covered with appropriate shields and covers.
>> Lawn-mowers, PTOs, etc..
>> Well, when RUNNING.
>> Sometimes, especially with farm-machinery, it's all too easy for the
>> user to not bother replacing shields. "It's a BOTHER!"
>
>The problem isn't solely that it's a bother. It's that they don't want
>to take the time before they use the machine.
Um ... and the difference is ...?
>to take the time before they use the machine.
> Then when they aren't
>using the equipment, preventative maintenance/safety maintenance doesn't
>get on the to-do list.
>
>Cindy Wells
>(Most of my farming neighbors have off-the-farm jobs to make ends meet.
>Thus they only repair the "it won't work" problems in the field or just
>before starting harvesting or planting.)
Tesseract
May 22, 2013, 6:22:34 AM5/22/13
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those types of dresses and to remove them for other times?
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Cindy Wells
May 22, 2013, 8:57:40 AM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 12:13 AM, Frank McCoy wrote:
PTO shaft for a day. Remembering it for years is difficult. (Our baler
lost the PTO shield while we were baling last year. We finished baling
for the day before we attempted to fix it.) When the hydraulic lines
broke, we had to fix those before continuing.
>> Then when they aren't
>> using the equipment, preventative maintenance/safety maintenance doesn't
>> get on the to-do list.
Fixing shields should be part of the downtime maintenance. When the
field is wet or over the winter, it's time to replace the shielding
while you do the rest of the regular maintenance.
>>
>> Cindy Wells
>> (Most of my farming neighbors have off-the-farm jobs to make ends meet.
>> Thus they only repair the "it won't work" problems in the field or just
>> before starting harvesting or planting.)
>
Cindy Wells
(I handle the "fetch tools" part of equipment repair. Sometimes I do
that for our neighbor's repairs.)
> Cindy Wells <lcwel...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> The problem isn't solely that it's a bother. It's that they don't want
>> to take the time before they use the machine.
>
> Um ... and the difference is ...?
>
The difference is that you can usually remember to avoid an unshielded
>> The problem isn't solely that it's a bother. It's that they don't want
>> to take the time before they use the machine.
>
> Um ... and the difference is ...?
>
PTO shaft for a day. Remembering it for years is difficult. (Our baler
lost the PTO shield while we were baling last year. We finished baling
for the day before we attempted to fix it.) When the hydraulic lines
broke, we had to fix those before continuing.
>> Then when they aren't
>> using the equipment, preventative maintenance/safety maintenance doesn't
>> get on the to-do list.
field is wet or over the winter, it's time to replace the shielding
while you do the rest of the regular maintenance.
>>
>> Cindy Wells
>> (Most of my farming neighbors have off-the-farm jobs to make ends meet.
>> Thus they only repair the "it won't work" problems in the field or just
>> before starting harvesting or planting.)
>
(I handle the "fetch tools" part of equipment repair. Sometimes I do
that for our neighbor's repairs.)
Barry Gold
May 29, 2013, 10:59:31 AM5/29/13
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> invalidd<inva...@invalidd.invalidd> wrote:
>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>> manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>> of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
On 5/18/2013 8:39 AM, Frank McCoy wrote:
> And some, like my wife, just cannot GET properly-fitting bras.
> They just don't MAKE them!!!
> The closest she can get is a 44B; and that's very difficult to find.
> The 'B' cup in a 42B bra is about the right cup-size.
> However, she's about 50" around in the chest!
> (Not counting the breasts, mind.)
Try using Google Maps to search for "custom bra" in the nearest major
>
>> Okay, I have to admit to skimming through the women's supplements, but
>> according to the reports I've seen, over half of women allegedly wear
>> ill-fitting, uncomfortable bras. Many have never been properly measured,
>> others have assumed that measurements are consistent across
>> manufacturers, some don't realise that their breast sizes vary with time
>> of month, and others don't realise their breasts tend to increase with age.
On 5/18/2013 8:39 AM, Frank McCoy wrote:
> And some, like my wife, just cannot GET properly-fitting bras.
> They just don't MAKE them!!!
> The closest she can get is a 44B; and that's very difficult to find.
> The 'B' cup in a 42B bra is about the right cup-size.
> However, she's about 50" around in the chest!
> (Not counting the breasts, mind.)
city. I found quite a few in the LA area. There _are_ places that will
do alterations, but I think you'll need to actually go in and have her
measured. But it might be possible to buy on the web, if you could say
something like, "She has a 50" chest, but her breasts fit the cup for
the following bra model and size..." you might be able to order one
without going in for a fitting.
Just an idea...
Frank McCoy
May 29, 2013, 5:27:46 PM5/29/13
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My wife would veto the idea though, on the single criterion of price.
Even as a gift she'd give me static.
Tesseract
May 30, 2013, 1:50:13 AM5/30/13
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school) would consider it an interesting project.
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Frank McCoy
May 30, 2013, 10:50:36 AM5/30/13
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>I wonder if a fashion design school (or such a department of an art
>school) would consider it an interesting project.
I suppose I could investigate.
>school) would consider it an interesting project.
However, the problem would still exist; in that such a "solution"
would give her only one or two bras; and noplace to go to buy more.
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