A Pawned Pond
k...@shell1.cybercom.net
Valentine, who is currently very aggravated with her newsfeed (please,
if you want me to be sure to see something, Cc: me in e-mail -- otherwise,
I can't guarantee I'll ever see it!), catches a bit of what looks
like an interesting conversation:
Alan B. Combs quoted Anne Gwin as saying:
>> This is one of the phonemes that is in the process of disappearing from
>> American English--another one is the "hw" on the beginning of "which." The
>> next generation will hear a difference but not pronounce it, and the
>> generation after that will not hear a difference. (I was one of the few in
>> my college linguistics classes who pronounced these two.) Here's another
>> example: my dad says "dyoo" and "nyus" for "dew" and "news." I hear the
>> difference, but don't pronounce it.
"Saying 'dyoo' and 'nyoos' is, as I understand it, very British. It's
part of what is called Received Pronunciation, or RP, which is what singers
are taught to sing when singing in English. (My voice teacher told me
that the key phrase to remember is "Daniel sitteth" -- any time a u or
ew comes after one of the consonants in that phrase (d, n, l, s, t, th),
it should have the y glide before it. But (and this struck me as odd),
o pronounced "oo" is not included.)"
She demonstrates by singing one line:
"And it tells of duty done and duty doing!"
Which sounds like:
"And it tells of dyooty dun and dyooty doowing!"
"I hadn't thought about the disappearance of "hw," but you're right. If
I'm speaking carefully, I do pronounce it, but in casual conversation it
tends to slide into "w.""
She looks back at the topic. "I'm guessing this started with a comment
about the two sounds represented by "pawned" and "pond"? I
do distinguish between them, but I know people whose dialect does not
distinguish them. It's sort of like the Mary/marry/merry distinction --
everyone I know has a slightly different set of shadings of pronunciation."
Valentine, not a linguist but a language lover
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But shades of grey are the colors I see" -- Billy Joel
Anne Gwin
In article <33CF92...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>, andw...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
wrote:
> let me speak Texian at girls' camp. Anyone with half an ear for accents
> couldn't help coming home speaking pure Beaumont (Bow-mont) after six
> weeks at camp.
Andrea, dear, you mispronounced the name of my hometown. It's "Bore-mont."
Anne
are you *sure* you have to move??
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Kayre
I definitely pronouce the vowel sounds differently. Have lived all my
life in the American Midwest; specifically, grew up in Southern Ohio.
I love tidbits like this.. remember a raging argument with my linguistics
instructor over whether people in the midwest actually pronounce the
letter "l" in the word "palm"! Also,
where I grew up the older generation inserts an "r" into "wash",
"Washington" and related words, i.e. "worsh". That one seems to be dying
out, though, no one my age does it as far as I know.
Kayre
Doug Jones
Kayre wrote:
> Also, where I grew up the older generation inserts an "r" into "wash",
> "Washington" and related words, i.e. "worsh". That one seems to be dying
> out, though, no one my age does it as far as I know.
A guy I used to worrrk with has this habit- and he's only 38.
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Sam Waring
In article <33ceac7...@news.cyberhighway.net>, jvi...@cyberhighway.net
said this about that:
"All right, Wys, let's try this again, since it's WAAAY too late at
night for me to make sense on the first go-round. If anyone sees the first
version of this before my cancel gets out, ignore it, OK?"
> "Could patrons please do me a small favor? Pronounce the following
> two lists of words; if you say them as homonyms - with the same or
> indistinguishable vowel - send me an EMail saying "SAME"; if they are
> different, send Email saying "DIFFERENT". In either case, please tell
> me where you lived from, say, age 2 to 6 (I'm trying to identify
> regional accents)."
> Pawned Pond DIFFERENT
> Dawn Don DIFFERENT
> Fawned Fond DIFFERENT
> Lawn Lon DIFFERENT
> Bought Bot DIFFERENT
> Caught Cot DIFFERENT
"And it's still true that I lived in West Texas until I was 18.
'Least I got *that* part right."
> "BOYC for each response!"
"Right. As before, Glenfidditch, straight up."
SamIAm (whose nail polish *still* isn't dry, but
that's only responsible for the bad
typing, not the woolly thinking)
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Sam Waring
In article <19970718160...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Kayre said this
about that:
> Also, where I grew up the older generation inserts an "r" into "wash",
> "Washington" and related words, i.e. "worsh". That one seems to be dying
> out, though, no one my age does it as far as I know.
"Yep, I can remember when I's a kid, acolyting for a Texas Dutch
priest who did that. The Prayer of Humble Access always had our souls
being 'worshed in His precious blood' when Fr. Ed said it."
SamIAm
Sirilyan
In article <5qo634$oq2$1...@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu>, rw...@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (R. Wald) wrote:
>In article <19970718160...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>
>>where I grew up the older generation inserts an "r" into "wash",
>>"Washington" and related words, i.e. "worsh". That one seems to be dying
>>out, though, no one my age does it as far as I know.
>>
>>
>"Oh, people still do this," Rivka groans. "My friend Sam grew up in
>Bellingham, and she claims that she's from WARSHington. My grandparents
>(northern Pennsylvania) also said 'warsh.' It bugs the hell out of me."
"Also present in the Cape Breton town where I grew up," Sirilyan adds.
"During NBA playoffs, it was impossible to escape the Bulls fans and their
rooting for Chicargo."
Name: Doug Sheppard
Mail: sirilyan (at-sign) dlcwest (period) com
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